Jahanshah Javid

The Mrs.

It is not that simple.

First of all. Chaos IS created by some people, It is. You state your opinion and before you know it someone comes up with a very smart and snarky remark and Bang!

How could you not equate being rude with being disrespectful? You can accomodate different opinions and accept them to a certain point, But you can't just accept it while it is being injected with a does of impoliteness and rediculing.

For fuck's sake JJ don't ban

For fuck's sake JJ don't ban profanity. Not as long as it's not being used as an insult :)

Souri jaan

Man yeki ke maastaamo kise kardam!

Ye khordeh takhfif bedeh aziz.

cheers

Ebi aka Haaji

Souri jan

How do you qualify a good reader? And, your sentence This is what is happening to the readership now. They leave! suggests that you know sites where good readers go. So please give your addresses to us too.
As shookhi ghozashteh, I was not saying that we should be rough all the time. I was telling that those who expose themselves with provocative contents, for a given site, should expect a reaction.

That constitutes the third law of Newton, every action has a reaction.

I don't think the smoking

I don't think the smoking example is a right one here. Because there are regulations against smoking and we are all expected to follow them. They are clear and we all know there are consequences if we disobey the law. Here, there are no rules and no consequences. And so, there's no real right way to behave. Other than what each one of us is comfortable with. We set our own limit and JJ doesn't interfere. So it's a completely different thing. 

And I don't think it's chaotic here. For the most part, we all know what it's like and we know when to jump into an argument and when to avoid one. There are blogs and articles and the titles are descriptive. And then, you go to the comments, it's very easy to ignore those you find disrespectful.

Sometimes you might participate in a discussion and someone might respond to you by being rude. Just ignore them. or they might challenge you to something but their point makes no sense, well you re state your point and then that's that. There's no need to drag it on. I dont think it's chaotic at all.

The problem is not the "disrespect". But that we don't accept different opinions and so when faced with a challenge people get angry. If someone comes and defends Ahmadinejad, people will swear at him and he'll do the same. But the problem isn't that anyone is disrespectful because they get mad. But it's that we can't tolerate someone having a different opinon.

So it seems to me, if we really have a problem with disrespect here, we have to first learn to accept someone who has a different opinon instead of attacking them. Otherwise, the attach itself is really not a big deal. But a symptom of the problem. And since we're not going to be able to resolve the problem with a blog or 2, we might as well not make a big deal out of it.

I suggest...

You really set the rules, like they do it at the primary school! Because these are the real little children who have not education, have never been under any rules or disciplines !

Then make a table of the sanctions, corresponding to each violation.

Like : profanity (or 10 flags) 1 week account freeze, personal attack (or 10 flags) 2 weeks account freeze.........etc!

If they have their account freeze twice, then for the third time, the account should be freeze for 3 weeks.

Of course, they will come back with a new account.....but at the long run, maybe (we wish) they will get tired.

Although as we see, this didn't work with the individuals I'm talking about.

How many good readers, JJ?

MM's proposition is clear:

"as everyone should be able to find a site in agreements with his/her inspirations."

This is what is happening to the readership now. They leave!

Now, the question is : How many good readers  are you ready to scarify for the sake of keeping this space under this groups's imposed rules, JJ?

What anger???

Ali p:

My friend. I think you are mistaking passion and excitement and motivation, as elements that make changes happen, with Anger. Anger being a pure emotional expression wil definitely not lead to any changes no matter how it is expressed, for i doubt there really is a correct way of expressing it to begin with.

Granted that this site focuses heavily and primarily on political matters more than anything else, but to come out and blame frustration on the political events of this past 30 years in our country is a bit of an stretch. It is like trying to find a reason to justify that anger which is absolutely wrong.

It is really hard to enforce rules agianst angry people!! since most of them have been regulars on this site. Many of them have their anger rooted in their arrogance and the concept of "knowing better" than anyone else, which is very unfortunate. We should continue to police amongst ourselves and do the flagging in a very meticulous and religious way.

Ebi

hehehe, mordam az khandeh

thanks dude :)

-YT 

Mr Javid,

In the other hand, if you consider that an Anonymous user doesn't basically have a face, so on a forum he/she can say more easily what he/she will never say in his/her real life. These blogs then become the mirrors of everyone's soul, and as a majority of people ain't Mother Theresa, most public forums are the jungle that we know.

I think that it's of the responsibility of everyone to create a mature content which doesn't harm the sensibility of the majority of users in a given site. For example, imagine you go on a specific KKK site and you create a blog about Martin Luther King. Has one blame racists cursing on the guy or do you consider the guy somewhat stupid?

The question is therefore what about the freedom of speech? But, I think that this question doesn't hold as everyone should be able to find a site in agreements with his/her inspirations.

Pissed!!!

I don't have a problem with angry people; those are the ones who have always made change happen.

It is the expression of that anger, that could be ugly and ineffective, or touching and moving.

JJ Jaan

I listened to your advise & took  a look at myself,I was shocked!!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0-aZHcbMv8&feature=related

Live & let live.After all,"nothing is sacred"?!

Ebi aka Haaji

OK Souri jan, I hear you

Maybe it was like a daily NPR for you where once in a while a FOX-type idot would comment on it, and now it has become like a Rush Limbaugh show ;-)

I also understand that when you know people first hand and beyond a digital ID, things can be different. I still read the stuff here the same way that I read NYTimes or a larger media and can treat it purely as an opinion exchange. In that sense I just find the bickering a waste of time on the party who chooses to insult, and sieveing that they offer a saving of my time. But, I can understand your point my dear and I am sorry if in any way I contribute to your frustration.

TheMrs: easy option!

"Sure, but we don't always get what we want in life."

We can't change the opinions that we don't agree with, although we are hoping, that's why we discuss the ideas.

But we can sure, make this space respected by all users!

You are a smoker, isn't it? But when you go to school or at work, you just are not allowed to smoke! Period!! Finish!

There are rules to protect the majority in every society, every community. This rules should be set and respected. That's all.

If not, it will become chaos.........like Iranian.com today.

but I don't see it this way ........

1) I never let anybody bother me, specially not the idiot like him!

2) I come in this site as a usual habit of ten years now. I choose this website and preferred it to other Iranian website, because of the exact reason that it was not full of profanities and stupid content.

3) This is my choice Jaleho to be here. Then I will choose carefully, not to waste my time with the "idiots" as you said. If this place become full of "idiots" like this guy, then I don't see any reason to stay here.

4) JJ proposed this context and always preached to practice Respect and Tolerance. We did,,,,,,,,,and God knows that we did tolerate many awful things since two years!

Now, it has became worse. Since the gang of last year are always the same! Just they have changed the leader!

I am disgusted. and when I say it, believe me, I really mean it.

SSII? Faramarz Fatii

His was in defence of Avaznia(a known critique of ancient Iran) and I wasn,t defending your jafangiat against Avaznia which after all did amount to a 3rd grader retort in view of avaznia's baseless charge yet academic inquiry. Sorry I used a " opportunist" such as you as an example. Every one including me is due for mistaking folks for who they realy are at times including me  ,this time. as for impartiality, I,m sure you find him dandii since where else you could get some one to put your 3rd grade morning diarrihea on front page every day ::))..

Next time dont do your kisseh keshii on my account..;)

Now I agree, this was an angry comment..lool..heeeh

Cheers!!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Souri Jan,

I am not saying it is good to write or read those stuff, it is worthless and you can just ignore it. Why are you going out because some idiots writes garbage?! Why do you even allow an idiot to bother your pretty head over it?!

It's really not such a big

It's really not such a big deal

There are worse things in the world. Like rape and murder. A few people get carried away, fine. So what? I mean if you see 2people arguing on the street you might watch and then you move on. But if you make a circle and start contributing, then it gets bigger.

People disagree and hit the last wire. Should they be nicer? Sure, but we don't always get what we want in life.

آقای جهانشاه

Being perfectly practical about the issue, if we could please, there are really only two ways of accomplishing this task of [Anger] in the site:

1- Either you, as the publisher,  have to  let  it ride on its own FUEL of Anger,

or 2-  Set the ground rules, and ENFORCE them.

I may be way off the [whack] on this one but I see no other alternatives, SO,,,,,,,, What is it that this discussion supposed to accomplish? 

Reminder: We as contributors, have ZERO control over this publication.

-YT

P/S I ask this in all sincerity ha! 

SamSamIII Was JJ's comment to ME or "US"?

Mr. SSII,

I didn't take JJ's comments personally.  What made you think it was in response to my comment?  Or maybe this is a question for JJ.

The editor in chief's comments, whether to me or to us were true.  One cannot argue with something that makes sense.

I personally cannot quench the fire of hate I hold for IRI. 

As for partiality or non partiality, no one and no internet site is perfect.

But for us Iranians, we should thank our lucky stars Iranian.com exists and the guy who runs it has ideals such as JJ.

Keep up the fight.  We are on the same side. 

freedom ? freedom of what? freedom for who?

Someone comes here and say " tof be ghabre babat" and you want us to see it and say " hey, that's nothing, just a manifestation of the freedom of speech?"

Sorry, in my world, this things are not acceptable. Then if they are for you, I'll be out!

I second the freedom suggested by some

and expanded by Shifteh and Anvar beautifully.

Considering that I am the subject of a lot of these attacks, that should relax some people who have generously defended me against the said attacks. I personally don't want any of them be removed. I truly believe that it is good that the readers see who can write the stuff that they actually write. 

Today, I read a vulgar message by cyrus-SX (whom I didn't know before)  written to JJ, and it made me immediately categorize him as an idiot to be ignored always. That's a good public service I'd say!

JJ and impartiality ???????

like hell

Pearls Would Be Worthless If Every Mollusk Could Produce One

Let the free market of ideas attract or repel consumers.

As I recently commented, those who assault others debase only themselves and not the ones who get assaulted.  It may be a natural emotional reaction for those at the receiving end of evil to feel ashamed; but we must understand that shame, in its entirety, is on the wicked that harm the innocent.

In appreciation to excellent points already made in this thread; these are my opinions and suggestions (not directed towards anyone in particular). As always, I’m open to be persuaded by better ideas.

Proper Communication:
-  Not everyone is a scholarly philosopher, theologian, historian, social scientist, anthropologist, or ethicist.  Eloquence is also bestowed upon very few people.  However, everyone has an opinion on just about everything.  We should allow people, in the manner of their own choosing, to share their opinions or express themselves. 
-  Ideas and ideologies ought to be discussed, and consequently accepted or rejected, based on their own merits. 
-  Everyone should be encouraged and feel free to contribute without fearing ridicule or personal attacks. 
-  There’s a lot to learn from others if we keep our ego and prejudice in check.  Personal attacks or expressions of anger do not improve on the message nor do they enhance the methods of proper communication. 

Flagging and Deleting:
-  Once a blog accumulates comments, it becomes a communal property.  Unless there are compelling reasons, it would not be ethical to delete the whole blog.
-  Unless comments reveal private information or threaten the safety or well-being of others, none should be deleted. 
-  Post flagging is based on subjectivity and bias of the one(s) who find the comments (or the poster) somehow offensive.  Of what value is a near-empty forum? Everyone can easily find something offensive they’d like removed.  (For the record, I don’t particularly enjoy offensive materials)
- You want to be exposed to only what you approve or find positive?  Then pick up a book of your choosing and read it from cover to cover.  Do not remove other books, based on personal preference, from the library.
-  Let all of us be made aware of the level of ineptitude, rudeness, hatred, ignorance, etc. that exits amongst us so that we may collectively fight the root causes of the problems. 
-  Morality cannot be imposed on people by deleting their comments.  Do not pretend that darkness does not exist.  If it bothers you, shine a light on it.
-  *az loghman hakim porsidand: “adab az ki amookhti?” goft: “az bi adaban”*

Multiple IDs:
-  We shouldn’t let those who make comments under multiple user IDs bother us.  At the end of the day, these multi-headed monsters reflect only one image in the proverbial mirror.   Everything they espouse, regardless of their temporary persona, emanates from the same mind - if you excuse the pun. 

Common Interests and Ideals:
-  Take a moment and imagine or visualize these ideals:  A glorified Iran; A peaceful and harmonious world; And above all a noble, enlightened, and loving human race.  May we all choose a good path and do our best to get there. 
-  Let’s not get discouraged if we don’t think we’ll live long enough to see that day.  We should be happy and content that we play a positive part that will have helped the almost perfect future.

Finally:
-  If we are proud of our upbringings, heritage, ideology, and culture then let’s think and act accordingly.  If not, let’s fix areas that need improvement. 

WWW on internet web links stands for: Whole World’s Watching!  ;-)

Anvar

We are the mirror as well as the face in it ...

We are pain and what cures pain, both.

- Rumi

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Sorry to burst your bubble pal,

But our friend JJ is not impartial enough to make a judgment on who is a hater and who is not. In fact no one is impartial enough to begin with, since every one carry their own little bias. For instance If a writer writes a blog calling pre-Islamic Iranian heritage a total hoax and goes on to disrespct Iranic heritage, a man like JJ(the webmaster) with his ideology may not give a hoot and might even actualy cheer him on and put him on the front page because he shares his views and any outbursts of objection or criticism hence in JJ view is considered hatefull since it doesn,t share his take on the subject.

Case and point; when JJ lectured FF about Avaznia's comment in which avaznia basicaly claimed that Iranians prior to Islam were buncha wussies and chicken shit ..there are hundreds of cases in which JJ partiality to the "Khodii" side has made him tag others who dont share his clan views as "haters" or "angry". Mind you , I would find him a credible observer if for once and only once he would have lectured his "khodii" group when they lynch fascist,racist zionist folks like me. & where is my proof? Mr jj circle of close associates, favoured authors ,blogs articles humore,friends & choice of moderators are my argument. that  in essence portrays his sense of judgment . To say the least ,politely, his judgment on issues are one sided to the benefit of status quo (you catch the drift).

 Now I personaly very very rarely comment on other commentators & %98(or may be %97 :)) of the time ignore em unless it,s my own blog and even then keep it light but some other bloggers are more hot blooded and hence friction may arise in which the job of a fair moderator is not to take sides but to moderate....again, I am against any form of censorship & have never flagged any comment even with profanity addressed to me because I,m quite capable of show casing idiots.

Cheers & again

Sorry to be a bit blunt ::))

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

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Princess - I just read your recommendation, and perhaps ...

... the site administrators will consider the idea of a score-card for each registered user seriously.

It appears that they are reviewing flagged posts but there is no record of those removed on each user's profile.  Your idea could serve a purpose on an interim basis and perhaps longer term. 

I wonder what others think about your suggestion. 

Alborz

dear JJ

If you read these comments;

And please do delete that vulgar post, fast. You know well who is the author of those hate posts, then why you don't delete their account