Would YOU Fight for America?

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Would YOU Fight for America?
by Anonymous Observer
20-Dec-2010
 

The writings below were inspired by this blog from Fesenjoon. 

 

The United States Oath of Allegiance (that’s the oath that all you naturalized U.S. citizens took to become citizens) states:

 "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

I’m sure you all remember the day you took this oath.  For most non-Iranian people who become U.S. citizens, that day is a joyous, happy day.  For some—not all—Iranians, it’s a day where they can brag about their “zerangi” and prepare to file petitions to bring the rest of their family over to the U.S.  Nothing wrong with--except for the fact that now that you have put your John Hancock (or, if you prefer, Abdullah Islaminejad) on that form, you are legally obligated to do certain things.  One of those pesky little things is the obligation to bear arms on behalf of the U.S.  This means that in case there is a war and a draft, you will have to put down the chelo kabob dish, say goodbye to the summer vacation and cheap opium parties (and more chelo kabob) in Iran, get out of your leased Mercedes and mosey on to the nearest recruitment center and be shipped to whatever area of the world the U.S. government thinks is appropriate for you to be--and fight for your new country.  That’s right.  You’re now an American.  And it’s not “golabi” or “velesh kon baba, ki halesho dareh” type thing.  You’re in it for the long haul. 

Now let’s say that IR and its supporters’ wishful thinking actually comes true and the U.S. gets engaged in a war with Iran.  See, in a democratic system like the U.S., there is a debate process about this sort of thing.  But once the debate is over, and the decision is made to go to war, you can’t argue and “safsateh” about it any longer.  The time for debate is over.  Your representatives in the government have voted.  It’s time to put the gear on and suit up--and shut up.  What would you do if and when the time comes? Hide in Canada?  Are all of you all of a sudden going to become “conscientious objectors?”  Hey, Japanese Americans had to fight in WWII-some of them while their family members were interned in internment camps.  Sen. Daniel Inouye had to do it.  His parents were Japanese immigrants.  He volunteered at Pearl Harbor and then fought the Japanese and was heavily wounded, receiving the Medal of Honor. Many German Americans fought in WWII.   John Abizaid is Arab American.  He was Centcom’s commander during the war in Iraq. 

The scenario is one that actually happened in Iran as well.  During the Iran / Iraq war, we knew a family who was Iranian / Iraq.  The wife was Iraqi and her husband was Arab Iranian who also had relatives in Iraq.  Their son fought for Iran, knowing that most of his family was Iraqi.  There were many other examples like that. 

But let’s say that you’re too old to fight.  Or that you’re openly gay (hey, they haven’t repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” yet) or you have some kind of a medical issue that prevents you from becoming a soldier.  The other part of your oath says that you “will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that [you] will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law …”  That could mean spying you know.  It could also mean translation service for U.S troops, making shells for tanks, etc.  How are you going to get out of those things?  Remember, no one has forced you to be a U.S. citizen.  I assume that you all had green cards before you become citizens, which didn’t place the obligations of citizenship on you.  Why did you take on this legal obligation?  So you could stay in Iran for more than six months and not have to worry about it?  So that you could bring your cousin here?  Too bad.  Whatever your reason was, that whole citizenship thing comes with a lot of baggage.  So, here’s what I propose to you fake U.S. citizens: give it up.  I mean your citizenship.  It’s not too late.  It can still be done.  In fact, I have taken the liberty of preparing the following form letter that you all could use: 

To:       U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security

            U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service

            (insert your local office address)

Dear Sir / Madam, 

            My name is (Hassn Hossein / Fatemeh Soghra) Iranipour.  My alien number is (insert your immigration number).  I filed an application for citizenship on (date).  On (date) I appeared at your office and took the citizenship oath.  But now I realize that I no longer want to be a U.S. citizen.  This is because I am (insert one or more of the following as they apply to you: an America hater; an IR lover; a coward; I don’t consider the U.S. to be my country; I am a “cause head” and hating the U.S. is my main cause; I am a leftover Iranian Marxist; I love Hassan Nasrollah; I love Ayatollah Khamenei; I love Osama Bin Laden and believe that he is a freedom fighter).   I am also a liar because I did not tell you about any of this when I took my citizenship oath.  But never mind that.  In our culture we do these things.  We think we are clever.  But, where was I?  Oh, yes, can I get my green card back please?  Attached are my American passport and my certificate of citizenship.  I am returning it to you…and no, I have not reported it lost and gotten a new one.

PS- how log can I stay out of the country in Iran now that I only have a green card?  I have 4 pieces of land and six houses there that I need to rent / repair / sell.

Sincerely yours;

(Hassn Hossein / Fatemeh Soghra) Iranipour

See how easy that was?  Now, for once in your lives, print the letter and send it to your local immigration office.  Consider it a charity work for the new year, the charity being our honesty toward a nation that took you in and embraced you when your homeland was giving you the middle finger. 

Blog photo courtesy of Fesenjoon.  

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Anonymous Observer

Wow, Parthian Jaan

by Anonymous Observer on

The pic in your blog speaks otherwise. You're clearly trying to claim that whoever dislikes America, for whatever reason, is an Islamist and anyone who doesn't fight for America must love the islamic regime.

All of this from a cartoon?  I take it that when you grab a newspaper, you immediately go for the cartoon page and toss the rest in the recycle bin?  You do recycle, right?  

And it "clearly" says it all too, ha? Not an ounce of doubt remains in your mind?  Wow indeed!!! 

It's a cartoon.  It's meant to exaggerate concepts.  Get a grip... 


Parthianshot91

Anonymous

by Parthianshot91 on

The pic in your blog speaks otherwise. You're clearly trying to claim that whoever dislikes America, for whatever reason, is an Islamist and anyone who doesn't fight for America must love the islamic regime.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Iran vs IR

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I noticed AO & Parthianshot talking about Iran as opposed to IR. I have written this new blog to discuss that point:

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...

 


Anonymous Observer

Parthianshot...

by Anonymous Observer on

Where in this blog, or anywhere else for that matter, has anyone demanded this?

 Since when do Iranians need to fight for America to be against this regime?

The question that this blog poses is a real one that concerns people with dual citizenship, Iran and U.S.  It has affected all immigrant communities in the history of this country.  I have a certain opinion on it, Fesenjoon has an opinion about it, VPK has an opinion about it, Bijan has an opinion about it, Aryana has an opinion about it, Maziar has an opinion about it and Abarmard has an opinion about it.  And all opinions are welcome.

What's your position?  The blog asks, again, for the umpteenth time, that if there's a conflict between the U.S. and Iran, and in this case there is a draft and you are drafted to go fight --or to do other non-combat civilian duty on behalf of the U.S., as is required by law, would you do it?  That's the question.  For you to twist that and say that someone has demanded for you to go fight for America to become an Iranian is the height of absurdity and childishness.   

Now if you have a complain about something that is unrelated to this blog or its question, please feel free to write your own blog about it.  This site allows you to do so.  But don't come in here and start twisting and misrepresenting things. 

Merry Christmas / Happy (or sad-whichever way you look at) Ashura. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Parthianshot91

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


people, like fesenjoon, have become so anti-Islamic regime, that they've become anti-Iranian, associating everything that has to do with Iran and your regular Iranian with the regime

You are 100% right. Fesenjoon claims that IRI is Iran. Which is a patently absurd statement. In fact IRI is totally anti-Iranian. But when people come from that point of view they are lost. Without a basis on which to build they attack blindly and indiscriminately and to destroy. In this case attacks are verbal not physical but they are in the same spirit. We must distinguish between Iran; IRI; and Islam. Iran is our nation; IRI is the occupation regime. We never confuse Iran and IRI. 


Parthianshot91

some have lost theirselves

by Parthianshot91 on

Some people, like fesenjoon, have become so anti-Islamic regime, that they've become anti-Iranian, associating everything that has to do with Iran and your regular Iranian with the regime. Not the first I've met, but diff one of the saddest cases of them all.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Parthianshot91

Good point Prophet

by Parthianshot91 on

 The questions and accusations of anonymous and fesenjoon are so childish and a show of full on idiocy on their part. No wonder no Iranian here takes them seriously. I dare any of them to go to a Iranian rally and shout the garbage they do over there, see if they don't get smacked around and lynched by an angry mob of Iranians.

 Since when do Iranians need to fight for America to be against this regime?

Further more, America's government doesn't care for us, why should they? and why should we care for america? The best solution would be to use it to achieve our own goals if it ever comes to that.

 Pure Iranian/Persian unity and nationalism is the best choice.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

CNN Poll

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

This is the question on CNN today

Do you leave a snack for Santa Claus?

Silly questions like this may be yes or no. But difficult questions may not. Here are some sample questions that do not lend themselves to yes no:

  • Will you go to war for America? I already said "if the war is just".
  • Do you support anyone who opposes IR? Only if they are not worse. I would not support Taliban or Jundallah or MKO .

Besides polls like this are inaccurate because they are not scientific. They are not a proper statistical sampling. But I fear they will be used as if they were.

We know they lack any informative value. I just explained why. They will likely cause more confusion and not help us get anywhere.

So what is the point? It will likely sow more division among us. Sort of like "I got you" ha ha ha! We have plenty of division as it. Why not instead do something to bring us together.


Fesenjoon

AO

by Fesenjoon on

raaas migi. CNN.COM's front page currently has a poll at the bottom section of the page. It's in a Yes or No format.

eenam yek harfeh.

and it doesnt have to be all politics either.


maziar 58

A O KHAN

by maziar 58 on

Again somewhere noticed you mentioned about Draft...

As you know here in the u.s every thing will have to go through a process  getting a majority voting on it ; here some thing to clarify first 

Definition of an Army is/was to protect the borders so if they vote yes on draft and canada or mexico attacks us (hypotheticly) I'll join the army even at my age( past 35 ) are for non combatant And will do my part.

P.s  Was telling my son why don't you join the armed services to get some exp. and be easier to find better paying jobs....

he said : dad you left your own country so you don't have to fight Iraqi's ,now you want me to........

Maziar


Bijan A M

Am I losing my mind or…

by Bijan A M on

The debate here has gone totally out of whack….?

  I never saw the question as literal as many have responded to it. I strongly believe the heart of the question is to see the depth of one’s commitment and responsibility to the oath he/she takes.

It has nothing to do with Iran or how you feel about what’s happening there. It is all about YOU and your words. The words that you voluntarily spoke and the oath YOU voluntarily took.

   Why muddy the water with US foreign policy and how evil US is or has been. Those are subjects of different debates. For now the question is “As a Naturalized citizen of this nation would you bear arms to follow the order of the commander-in-chief if drafted? The answer is either “yes” or “no”. If “no”, (absent of a logical explanation), you are either a traitor or at best a hypocrite. Which part of this is hard to understand? Go ahead and hate US to its core but honor your words. How can anyone respect you if you swear to something and right away piss to your own promise?   

I am ready to give everything I have to see a democratic , secular and free Iran, but I consciously made a decision to be a citizen of US and will live up to my promise. What is so hard to understand about all this? This does not say anything about how I feel about US foreign policy or even domestic policy. As I said earlier, I could be as communist as the next guy here, but it has nothing to do with the subject of this blog.

  

My apologies if I made many redundant statements,

  

Regards,

 Bijan


Anonymous Observer

VPK

by Anonymous Observer on

I agree to some extent.  I was talking about online poles like you see on new sites, etc.  There could be a number of answers.  I was being simplistic with yes / no.  You have a point there.  Again, kind of like what you see on other sites.

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

AO

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

The problem is that most questions are not that simple. A yes/no response is generally useless. For example I already told you: I will serve in a war that I deem just. So what am I supposed to say to a question of yes or no?

Also questions frequently drive yes / no responses. The classic one is: "Have you stopped beating your wife". What if you never beat your wife in the first place. If you want to put up questions be my guest but count me out on any censored or binary response. The world is too complicated for binary responses. I am very serious and not trying to bullshit you. Remember:  "Only the Sith deal in absolutes "  Obi-Wan  Kenobi; Jedai Master.


Anonymous Observer

Great idea Fesenjoon

by Anonymous Observer on

Let's see if he's interested.  Perhaps in the new format that he's been talking about.  It should be "safsateh" proof, though, as that has been the biggest problem with this thread.  Perhaps just a yes / no box. 


Fesenjoon

AO

by Fesenjoon on

I was thinking,

it would be great if JJ would put up a monthly poll or something, somewhere on one of the side columns, then we could put these types of questions out there to vote. It would be quite revealing. I'd be willing to volunteer sending in poll questions once a month.


Anonymous Observer

It's Official!!!

by Anonymous Observer on

I have a cyber-stalker!! :-))

Bark Bark, notice me, notice me, can you give me some of your attention? I'm gonna stalk you until you talk to me.  :-)))

Cheghadr adam-e bikar to een donya ast.  :-( 

 


marhoum Kharmagas

The topic is: Would you fight ...? (to Targol Mangolists..)

by marhoum Kharmagas on

Targol Margolists, "Marxist" Mangolists, and Shangol Mangolists, the topic is 'Would you fight for America?' not Mosh or Moshe koor, and the question is asked by AO who calls those who don't want to fight, cowards and hypocrites. It turns out that this "gentleman" does not need to fight (he says he has an excuse), he also does not want to serve the U.S as an interpreter because he does not want to do that kind of work.

BTW, poro**ossor Targol, as a "Marxist" *thinker, can you enlighten us on the topic?


Anonymous Observer

Niloufar, I thought that unlike your puppy you had some "savad"

by Anonymous Observer on

No one is asking anyone to join anything.  This blog poses a question, and that is, in case of a draft,and a conflict with Iran (which both you, your regime bosses and your puppy here have been advocating as hard as you can), would you, as a U.S. citizen, go to fight?  Now, people have been saying that you work for PressTV.  I believe it.  But, with all that "savad", why can't you understand this simple question?

Also, when it comes to "lengesh kon", tell us: what are you doing living in England when you tell the people of Iran that they should tough it out under the IR while you live in the decadent West? Why don't you go back to Iran and continue your propaganda from there?  I'm sure PressTV can manage a transfer for you there, so you'll have the same pay.  Why don't you go back to Iran and prepare for the mercenary invasion?   Just go...and take your puppy with you too.  Ahhhh, who am I kidding?  You're just another West residing, IR loving hypocrite.

"Lengehs kon" indeed!!!!  

PS- Where are you going for Christmas?  Another Western country vacation? 


Escape

  First off,how you can

by Escape on

  First off,how you can try to write a blog about a War that its' clear you would never fight makes no sense.No matter how good the photo,it's not only uninteresting and uncreative,it's just bland..It is more creative jumping over the pyschological premised comment's on America the war.But when a person agrees with you that thinks Islam is just as dangerous as any other religion,blames America for every dirty deed on the planet and doesn't believe Isreal has a right to exist and is still fighting the war of 1967,I can tell you who that person will be fighting for,no matter the cause.So it's clear you would never fight this war.

You know,the only thing you have going for you is you would like to see the Regime gone.But what is that worth if you don't have the balls to stand behind it?? Nothing at all...It's a complete waste of thought over and over.This compiled with the dare to comprehend the situation of a War with Iran,for an Iranian-American.Well I'm sorry It's too big of step to walk around that elephant of what happens to American ethnicities during time of war.But you really got a big step there.


Of course you think American's should ignore their enemies in other countries so I should have known you also are out of it enough to think they would ignore their enemies within the country.But we don't.And the detail's of a enemy don't make a difference,these excuses for America to live with these enemies are just dumb.

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Parthianshot91 Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


Why do you associate Iranians who dislike the U.S With islamists all the time?

Good to the point question. Thank you for stating this so well. I have been asking this and getting no reply. There are many people who have issues with America. The world is not a one dimensional IR vs US place. Those who oversimplify it need to get out and learn more. 

Next Fesenjoon claims that we must "accept self criticism". That means admit any lie he says about Iranians; beg America for mercy and accept we are just bda people: BS. If accepting criticism is so good why does he go into a fit is you mention one thing negative about America? 

I accept things I have done wrong. I do not accept things I have not done wrong. I am a proud Iranian and no amount of "hate fest" will change it. I taught my kids they are Iranian. I value Iran only second to my immediate family. My world view does revolve around Iran. I spend a lot of time studying ancient Persia. And when I have some time I study other Iranic cultures like Kurdish. It is time better spent than in some boot camp doing push ups.

The USA can use my tax to deal with the Taliban if they want. My time goes to my family and to Iran. 

VPK


Simorgh5555

Niloufar

by Simorgh5555 on

Would you prefer the reverse?

Fat, complacent Americans lying on Malibu beach drinking coke while scores of Iranian young are imprisoned, raped and murdered? 

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. 

Establish a proper viable Iranian armed forces with volunteers including airforce and unleash hell on the IR. 

The Islamic Republic must go. There is no choice on this matter. If you can provide a realistic set of policies as alternative to military action and sanctions, I will be the first to back you up. 

Youhave had 30 years of Khatami, reform, the green movement, giving people false hope of implementing changes to have the Iranian people's faces wiped in dirt. They don't care about your socialist think-tanks, your declarations of human rights and equality, or how many degrees and Phds you have. They are a deadly masianic cult and the only langauge which they understand is violence.

Ask yourself one question please: do you want your country to end up like China, North Korea or the former Soviet Union which are still under despotic regimes after 70 years. Unless you do something about it now then we will end up being ruled by generations of Kim Il Jungs and Kim Il Sungs. 


Niloufar Parsi

magas

by Niloufar Parsi on

this 'lengesh kon' mentality seems to have no limits!

not only they spend all their time here screaming at iranians in iran to go out and revolt while they themselves are gulping down coke on mailbu beach, they are now telling people to go join the american mercenaries to attack iran too! but, Of course, this too should be done by others...

truth is indeed stranger than fiction. another piece of tragicomedy in this lengesh kon freak show!


Parthianshot91

To all Iranian Americans

by Parthianshot91 on

 Look, I personally don't consider myself as an Iranian-American, but more of an Iranian who lives in America for the moment, this goes for anyone who wants to go back to Iran. I don't see why I should add the American to the Iranian if i'm planning to go back to my actual country in the future, but I just wanna say that I respect your wishes of being an Iranian-American, but I expect you to move up with your Iranian/Persian heritage and lineage and respect it like the Italians and the Irish etc... not to bash your Iranian background. You can all learn something from prophet. Your bashing and bad-mouthing of Iranians will only get your teeth knocked out by someone like me.

 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Parthianshot91

Why do you associate Iranians/Persians who dislike the U.S

by Parthianshot91 on

Why do you associate Iranians who dislike the U.S With islamists all the time? This is a really weak and pathetic accusation.  It's like in your little world, the only people who don't like America are islamists who wanna blow theirselves up. Believe it or not, but I've met many Iranians, as nationalistic and shahi as they come, and they hate the islamic regime to the core, who disliked America, cause of social or cultural issues, it doesn't have to be a religous issue, hell, the Iranians in America are as religous as your average American, infact, 40% of them are athiest. Think about the biggest countries competing with America, Russia, China etc.. are they islamists or more in the line of nationalists and communists? 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"


Roozbeh_Gilani

مری کریسمس بسیار ، بسیار

Roozbeh_Gilani


To you to, and "LOL" (as they say round here!) faravan on your comment!

Cheers! 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Anonymous Observer

Hooshang & Roozbeh - You guys are funny. :-))

by Anonymous Observer on

but don't waste your time with this clown.  He's trying to get attention by distortion, lies and noise...you know...the type of things that the IR does.  Just look at his comments below and see how his trying to distort what I said.  But, what else would one expect from a fossil Toudehie turned IR supporter?

And Roozbeh jaan - as far as being blocked is concerned, this guy is much closer.  Plus, he was blocked once before for the same conduct.  So far, he's had 3-4 abusive comments deleted on this thread alone. So, I'm sure the moderators have him in their cross hairs.

But the best thing to do is to ignore characters like him.  They show up when they realize that a discussion is becoming fruitful, and that it's not going their way, and they try to sabotage it.  They want attention so that they can divert discussion from their original course.    

One more important thing: please make sure to flag him when he becomes abusive, so that the moderators see his conduct. 


Hoshang Targol

موش کور بخورت که نفهمه چه

Hoshang Targol


با ابراز معذرت از تمامی اساتید ، اما  به نظرمیاید که عبارت ر. گ.  خطاب
به مرحوم عزیز ناتمام باقی ماند، بدین معنا که" موش کور بخورت که نفهمه چه 
گ.ی  خورده!" و  مری کریسمس بسیار ، بسیار .

Roozbeh_Gilani

marhoome jan

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

sheitoonake koochoolo, mikhay mano block koni?!

Moosh bokhoratet insha la la la :) 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


marhoum Kharmagas

Roozibeh, are you a "Marxist" Shangolist?

by marhoum Kharmagas on

good to see you back, I have been wanting to ask If you are "Marxist" Mongolist, Shangol Mangolist, Hekmatist, ...., .... which one of the failed favors do you follow?....

As related to the topic, it is clear now that your warmonger friend AO does not want to serve U.S even as an interpreter, let alone warrior. Why did you want to change the subject? What is in it for you?


Roozbeh_Gilani

marhoome jan

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

I dont know why my friendly response to your angry outburst at me was removed at all, I only told you that you are: yek koochooloye sheitoon va bamazeh va inshallah la la  moosh bokhoratet !  I never said you are a west residing cyber bassiji did I??

Anyway, "moosh bokhoratet" :)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."