Would YOU Fight for America?


Would YOU Fight for America?
by Anonymous Observer

The writings below were inspired by this blog from Fesenjoon. 


The United States Oath of Allegiance (that’s the oath that all you naturalized U.S. citizens took to become citizens) states:

 "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

I’m sure you all remember the day you took this oath.  For most non-Iranian people who become U.S. citizens, that day is a joyous, happy day.  For some—not all—Iranians, it’s a day where they can brag about their “zerangi” and prepare to file petitions to bring the rest of their family over to the U.S.  Nothing wrong with--except for the fact that now that you have put your John Hancock (or, if you prefer, Abdullah Islaminejad) on that form, you are legally obligated to do certain things.  One of those pesky little things is the obligation to bear arms on behalf of the U.S.  This means that in case there is a war and a draft, you will have to put down the chelo kabob dish, say goodbye to the summer vacation and cheap opium parties (and more chelo kabob) in Iran, get out of your leased Mercedes and mosey on to the nearest recruitment center and be shipped to whatever area of the world the U.S. government thinks is appropriate for you to be--and fight for your new country.  That’s right.  You’re now an American.  And it’s not “golabi” or “velesh kon baba, ki halesho dareh” type thing.  You’re in it for the long haul. 

Now let’s say that IR and its supporters’ wishful thinking actually comes true and the U.S. gets engaged in a war with Iran.  See, in a democratic system like the U.S., there is a debate process about this sort of thing.  But once the debate is over, and the decision is made to go to war, you can’t argue and “safsateh” about it any longer.  The time for debate is over.  Your representatives in the government have voted.  It’s time to put the gear on and suit up--and shut up.  What would you do if and when the time comes? Hide in Canada?  Are all of you all of a sudden going to become “conscientious objectors?”  Hey, Japanese Americans had to fight in WWII-some of them while their family members were interned in internment camps.  Sen. Daniel Inouye had to do it.  His parents were Japanese immigrants.  He volunteered at Pearl Harbor and then fought the Japanese and was heavily wounded, receiving the Medal of Honor. Many German Americans fought in WWII.   John Abizaid is Arab American.  He was Centcom’s commander during the war in Iraq. 

The scenario is one that actually happened in Iran as well.  During the Iran / Iraq war, we knew a family who was Iranian / Iraq.  The wife was Iraqi and her husband was Arab Iranian who also had relatives in Iraq.  Their son fought for Iran, knowing that most of his family was Iraqi.  There were many other examples like that. 

But let’s say that you’re too old to fight.  Or that you’re openly gay (hey, they haven’t repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” yet) or you have some kind of a medical issue that prevents you from becoming a soldier.  The other part of your oath says that you “will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that [you] will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law …”  That could mean spying you know.  It could also mean translation service for U.S troops, making shells for tanks, etc.  How are you going to get out of those things?  Remember, no one has forced you to be a U.S. citizen.  I assume that you all had green cards before you become citizens, which didn’t place the obligations of citizenship on you.  Why did you take on this legal obligation?  So you could stay in Iran for more than six months and not have to worry about it?  So that you could bring your cousin here?  Too bad.  Whatever your reason was, that whole citizenship thing comes with a lot of baggage.  So, here’s what I propose to you fake U.S. citizens: give it up.  I mean your citizenship.  It’s not too late.  It can still be done.  In fact, I have taken the liberty of preparing the following form letter that you all could use: 

To:       U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security

            U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service

            (insert your local office address)

Dear Sir / Madam, 

            My name is (Hassn Hossein / Fatemeh Soghra) Iranipour.  My alien number is (insert your immigration number).  I filed an application for citizenship on (date).  On (date) I appeared at your office and took the citizenship oath.  But now I realize that I no longer want to be a U.S. citizen.  This is because I am (insert one or more of the following as they apply to you: an America hater; an IR lover; a coward; I don’t consider the U.S. to be my country; I am a “cause head” and hating the U.S. is my main cause; I am a leftover Iranian Marxist; I love Hassan Nasrollah; I love Ayatollah Khamenei; I love Osama Bin Laden and believe that he is a freedom fighter).   I am also a liar because I did not tell you about any of this when I took my citizenship oath.  But never mind that.  In our culture we do these things.  We think we are clever.  But, where was I?  Oh, yes, can I get my green card back please?  Attached are my American passport and my certificate of citizenship.  I am returning it to you…and no, I have not reported it lost and gotten a new one.

PS- how log can I stay out of the country in Iran now that I only have a green card?  I have 4 pieces of land and six houses there that I need to rent / repair / sell.

Sincerely yours;

(Hassn Hossein / Fatemeh Soghra) Iranipour

See how easy that was?  Now, for once in your lives, print the letter and send it to your local immigration office.  Consider it a charity work for the new year, the charity being our honesty toward a nation that took you in and embraced you when your homeland was giving you the middle finger. 

Blog photo courtesy of Fesenjoon.  


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Niloufar Parsi

AO 'well done'

by Niloufar Parsi on

i have never seen such a blatant and unintelligent defence of the indefensible as in this blog.

sorry but you are a total khod foroukhteh with no real aim other than dumping on anything that is remotely iranian or linked with iran.

worse still, if the FBI or CIA wanted to 'out' IC iranian-americans who would be interned now or in the future, they couldn't have done better than your blog here...

no one is a bigger apologist for american atrocities than you on this site. well done.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

AO Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


You asked Paykar for all the USA crimes in Iraq. I am not a USA hater but since you asked I will oblige. To document them all it would take volumes and there is not enough blog space on this site. Here are just a few:


As for Afghanistan just read NY times or watch CNN. I have said many times that Taliban are responsible for MORE war crimes in Afghanistan than NATO. But that does not mean NATO is innocent. It does mean that if pushed I would side with NATO over Taliban. All situations must be examined on their own individual basis. Of course if not for USA there would be no Taliban. Now they are creating Jundallah to torment IR. I guarantee you Jundallah will turn against USA just like Taliban.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan


by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


Self criticism makes sense when there is a basis. The other day I mistakenly thought my daughter had broken her computer. I later on found out it was not her fault. I apologized to my 9 year old and she accepted it. That was taking responsibility.

However taking responsibility for something I have not done is not self criticism. Iranians are simply not what you and AO project them to be. 

Iranians in America are model citizens. We have done more for America and taken less than almost any other immigrant population. I was told that by a self declared "redneck" from Texas! He said he did not consider us minority because in his words: "Iranians work for a living and don't go on welfare". I took that as a compliment. I have heard similar compliments from many others.. Americans tend to be fair in their assessment of other people. That is why they don't hate us. When I went to buy a house they were more than happy to sell me one. My neighbors welcomed me with open arms. Specially after they met my kids. If we were what you say we are why would any American want us around? Why do I get invited to all the neighborhood functions?

My ex-wife is American from the Mayflower colonists. My daughter is Iranian but also an official "Daughter of the American Revolution" with all the papers. My ex-wife's family treat me like their own family. Why? I tell you because they know I do not hate America. Why should I hate America anyway?

I am no fan of war and do not brag about military. But that does not make me anti-American. No more than Lewis Hill or many other peace loving Americans. You just have not lived here long enough to appreciate the true American nature.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan


by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


You are right.I am not sure what the goals of AO and Co. are but you are right. Whenever one of us tried to bring us together forces of discord go to work. A while ago I posted this blog. A simple request to get us behind the territorial integrity of Iran:


I have got NO support from AO or Fesenjoon or in fact most of the cheering crowd on this blog. Why? What is so bad about once in our lives doing something for Iran? Here is a part of the response I got from AO. You judge for yourselves:

At some point, we all must set aside our arrogant belief that the world revolves around Iran, and that everyone on this planet must, and should, pay attention to the needs and the welfare of the Iranian people.

As for the Islamist side, they are still busy defending the subsidy cuts. Who cares about Iran? It is either we should side with Felesteen or Amrika; F*** Iran seems to be the prevailing attitude. 


Don't be so predictable people.

by Onlyiran on

Don't you see what AO is doing to you all?  He's taking advantage of your insecurities and is playing you.  Dual loyalty is a deep emotional issue for most immigrants.  He has figured out that you (and perhaps all of us) are confused and insecure about the issue and is pushing your buttons.  Don't be so predictable about it.


Anonymous Observer

BTW - Do any of you conscientious objectors pay taxes?

by Anonymous Observer on

You do know were the majority of the U.S. spending--that means your tax dollars--goes, right?  That's right: DEFENSE.

Oh, oh...I think someone just paid for a bomb that is going to be dropped in Afghanistan... :-))

So, here's what you do:  on April 15, 2011, get a large Sharpie and then grab an IRS 1040 form.  First, put your name and Social Security number and your address on the top of the form.  Then write in large letters across the form: "I am a conscientious objector.  I refuse to pay taxes because I know that the majority of it will be used to pay the U.S. armed forces and to build weapons with which the United States goes to war."  When you're  done, neatly fold the form and mail it to the IRS.  Then wait a couple of months and tell us what happens. :-)) 



by Paykar on

Seems you are in the same boat:(

Incidently, the Ey Iran anthem was composed during the occupation of Iran by Allied Forces. It was written in responce to an incident of few Barbar-e (porters) Tehrani being roughed up by American soldiers for no apparent reason. This is according to the daughter of Mr Golgolab(the poet) It was performed by Banan in 1946. This is an old recording, so the quality is not that good. I am sure you heard it before, but I could not help myself:)


Anonymous Observer

Paykar - so you don't have the info?

by Anonymous Observer on

That's cool.



by Paykar on

I don't care for people who lack any critical thinking and are easily fooled by any authority. You are bent on defending the U.S. without engaging in any meaningful discussion about Foreign policy and whole host of other issues, instead you wanna show your gratitude by bashing others.

But since you value freedom of speech, I give you the link showing murder of two reporters!


In post after post, you have made false assumptions and generalizations about those who do not share your view/s, so I am done reading or respoding to you.




Anonymous Observer


by Anonymous Observer on

Please post a list of all the crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan by U.S. troops that you are aware of and that are not reported in the media.  Please provide dates, names, description of events, units involved and the number of civilian casualties.  This way we will know that you're not just BS-ing.

When you're done with the first list, please provide us with the same list, but this time substitute armed Iraqi, and Arab and Iranian backed groups for the U.S. military.  Then do a comparison between the number of deaths caused by the two.  And then tell us why you didn't complain about the deaths caused at the hands of non-U.S. military actors. This way we will not call you a garden variety America Hating,  culturally narcissistic hypocrite.      

Anonymous Observer

The pinnacle of hypocricy

by Anonymous Observer on

You know what's funny Fesenjoon? The same crowd that calls us anti-Iran for posing a simple question that examines our priorities and allegiances, demands criticism of the U.S., its culture, its people, its politics and its military at every instance, and considers that to be a "moral obligation."  They even want to go back to the times of Native Americans.  Ahhhh...the hypocrisy.  :-)))

VPK jaan - get a hold of yourself.  You're hysterical.  Why can't you have a logical discussion without name calling, self aggrandizing, grandstanding and exhaling an enormous amount of hot air?  


Well said Paykar, simple yet to the point (both comments)

by Bavafa on

And for folks such as Escape, I gave up him/her a long time ago as frankly if folks like him/her are given a chance, they would love to turn this country to another theocracy much like IRI.

Let her spew her hate, only illuminate her character



I love

by Paykar on

Iran VPK. I still get the old shiver down the spine, when I hear Ey Iran. My greatest worry, on a personal level, is that I would never get to go back.


I know this does not address your frustration- between you and I, do not waste your emotions,"throw some bread to the ducks instead."



Veiled Prophet of Khorasan


by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


Khodet fahmidi chi gofti? 

I try to promote cooperation. You are taking out your own anger on all Iranians, By the way I don't blame you. It is all the other followers who have lined up behind you. Do you folks have any constructive ideas? If so why don't you talk about them.

The same old crap I heard from my teachers in the Shah's times. "We are nothing; "America is civilized"; "Iran is shit". Well dude I am sick of it to my heart. If you have any good ideas then promote them. If not then keep on the run away from your "koon" because it smells. 

You should be happy. You got a soul mate: AO! Now you can both finish the job Khomeini started: shit on Iran.

You have lost all sense of proportions. You are confusing the tormentors with the victims.

Thanks bud, I will do what I can to help Iran.

Darius Kadivar

SPink Jaan ... LOL ... All the Better ... ;0))

by Darius Kadivar on

What Matters to everyone on this site is That YOU are FUNNY as HELL ... 

Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down


Shab Khosh Pesaram ...

Hee Hee  



by Fesenjoon on

If I'm an "Iran-hater", then youre a closet Islamist. Youre the one  shouting Marg bar Amrika all over IC in your posts.

Get a hold of yourself, man. I at least dont suffer from self-promoting narcissism. I can at least take self-criticism, but you guys? Astaghforellah, we are Aryan! We're the best! We number 1! We bad! (or in the words of your closet akhondist colleague ParthianShot, we have "legendary penises!") 


Sargord Pirouz


by Sargord Pirouz on

Most of the time I don't get your sense of humor. It's troll-like, isn't it.

Anyway, got another link for the fusileer image? 

Darius Kadivar

SPink Jaan I don't Believe Your Cousin's claims ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

No gays in Iran, says Ahmadinejad

But Your Nephew ... Well You know ... As long as he keeps his shortcomings to himself ... He can be whatever he wishes to be ...

Life of Brian - Bigus Dickus





Sargord Pirouz


by Sargord Pirouz on

My nephew isn't gay. But I have an American cousin that was a career NCO of nearly 30 years in the US Army. He made it all the way up to E-8. He was a medic in an elite US Army formation.Go ahead and make fun all you want but my cousin is gay. That's the way he is and we accept him for who he is. The new policy insures people like my cousin won't have to hide such things as their orientation. Many of the retired US military field grade officers I correspond with support the new policy. One elderly ex-Green Beret Colonel I know does not, but he's an ardent Catholic and should be considered an exception.

I tried to click on your fusileer link but it doesn't work. 

Darius Kadivar

OMG Sargord's nephew joined Don't Ask Don't Tell Army ... LOL

by Darius Kadivar on

Persian Troy


Well Now he doesn't have to hide anymore ... LOL

Barack Obama signs gay military law (bbc)

By the way SPink Jaan Whatever Happened to Your Former Avatar's Pink Fouragère
? ... 




On defending hegemony

by Paykar on

The principal and actual role of the military is not the defence of
freedom per se, it is rather an instrument for U.S. political and
economic hegemony. Give me one example of any branch standing up for
your rights when the Patriot Act was rammed down everyone's throat.

do not need to resort to name calling or base your responce on false
assumption that all critics of U.S. foreign policy and its militarism are/were pro soviet or IR.

The misconduct of U.S.
troops by far exceeds what the Media reports.From massacare of My
Lai to intentional killings of reporters in Iraq, the military has a
less than shining record.


Millions of
people have been murdered by U.S. forces just in the last five
decades-don't tell me they were all threat to your "Freedom."

does not bother me that you want to feel proud and have a sense of
belonging; frankly, its your right. But it offends me when you support a
systematic policy of domination and state terrorism under the guise of
protecting your so called freedom.

Protesting injustice, inhumanity, and rape be it by IR thugs, or the clean cut soldires of any nation is not melodrama; whitewashing it is certainly a display of grand ignorance.

Sargord Pirouz


by Sargord Pirouz on

I still think you're going overboard with this. You're putting this forward in terms of a WWII draft to be enacted upon American citizens to fight a WWII type war against Iran.

That just ain't gonna happen, buddy.

So then we're left with the possibility of a strike being launched against Iran by the US. Sure, Iranian-Americans serving in the military will be involved in such. But nearly all of them are native sons and not naturalized, and their numbers in the US military are quite small. Furthermore, they are all volunteers.

So the relevance to the overall theme and tone of this blog post isn't really there.

Joining the US military these days for every eligible citizen in the US is a personal decision, with the economics of employment usually playing a prominent role. For instance, upon joining the USMC, my nephew went from working in a pizza parlor at minimum wage to a student training in military intelligence (translator school). This is much more a career choice than it is a choice of actually defending the country. 

How old are you, AO? Are you considering enlistment? 

Anonymous Observer

Escape - You're a Nazi

by Anonymous Observer on

You will see discrimination rise against Muslims to the fullest extent
it ever has.Noone will get on a plane or a bus with one.In the cities
they will be beaten,shot and killed in the street.What the politically
correct think is discrimination and 'Islamophobia' now,will be nothing

Get a grip and take off the KKK dunce hat.  Your existence is an insult to any decent American, and any decent human being.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Hate Fest

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

In recent times thanks to a group of people this site has turned into a hate fest. The people promoting this claim to want us to "reexamine ourselves" to "admit our faults". But in reality are doing nothing less than promoting a total hatred of anything Iranian. If you think Arabs were bad wait until you see Fesenjoon and AO!

They claim Iranians are: vile; evil; liars; cheaters; stupid and pretty much anything else they could come up with. This is not  a surprise to me since every people has some like these. What makes me sick is the chorus of "sahih-ash ahsanat" that the others sing. This has really opened my eyes to a deep self hatred among some Iranians. My mom called them the ones who: "be kooneshon megan naya boot miyad". Of course I do not consider Iran my koon. But they sure sound like they do.

I tried several times to write blogs to promote working togehter. Good thought. I got  a few posts. But for each supportive post I get the hate fest gets three times as much. 

This is not just disapponting but disgusting.

You people who hate Iran so much need to take a look in the mirror. Maybe what you are saying about "Iranians" is really about you. Before you blame others take a good look at yourselves. Iran will recover but no thanks to you. My father said something about your kind. He said they will never go back except to get what money they can out.

Thanks for all the insults. You have taught me "adab".

Anonymous Observer

Not a "Tafteyeh Joda Bafteh"

by Anonymous Observer on

I hope that this blog has been a wake up call to my fellow Iranian - Americans.  We are not a "tafteyeh joda bafteh" in this country.  We are just like all other immigrant groups.  We are not special in any way, shape or form.  And when it comes to the obligations of citiznehsip, we are just as obligated to perform them as any other immigrant group has done in the history of this country.So, all of you, get a grip.  If you don't like reality, then please feel free to print out the form letter that I have prepared for you in the blog and mail it out. :-))

Anonymous Observer


by Anonymous Observer on

I agree with many of your points.  The U.S. has certainly drifted off in many respects.  The corporate orgy of power in the U.S. government is unprecedented in the country's history.   And you are quite correct about the U.S. inaction and tacit support for Khomeini and his mafia.  But, as I have always said, nations are out for their interest.  And in that case, Shah was getting too powerful for the U.S.  That's why they brought us the mullah regime.

In terms of the Baha'is, you're correct that I do not know much about their political organization.  I had good Baha'i friends when I was growing up, but currently, I don't know any.  But my general attitude is "live and let live."  At the same time, though, you and them are obviously free to make your respective points.  And we, as the audience, will read both sides of the story and see where that takes us.  P

PS- Everything else aside, I have to again say that I find you to be a learned intellectual, and I have enormous respect for you and your writings.  :-)) 

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan


by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


Thanks for the insults. Sure, I and anyone who is not up for shoot'em up is a coward. We love dictatorship and are wimps. You people have a lot to learn.

Why don't you explain that to the Swiss who have freedom despite not invading others and killing anything than moves. Johnny: get your gun!

Same to the rest of arm chair generals who just "happened" to be conveniently rejected by the US military. Too bad you did not get to go shoot up someone from 20,000 miles away using "smart" bombs with NO risk to yourselves.

Anonymous Observer

HG Jaan

by Anonymous Observer on

The essence of the first part of the oath of allegiance is codified in federal law.  One can still be de-naturalized for committing acts similar to those listed in those parts.  Here, take a look at this:


Look at subsections (a)(4)(A) and (a)(4)(B).  Reminds you of some people on this site? :-))

And in terms of non-combatants service, the bottom line is not what type of duty a citizen is forced to submit to, but the essence of the obligation.  In other words, Iranian-Americans cannot have their cake and eat it too.  They cannot have all the benefits of citizenship, but decline to do all the "nasty" (for want of a better word) parts of it, such as going to war, even if that war is against Iran.  That is really the question of this blog.  We can safsateh all we want, and claim that we will all be "conscientious objectors" and we have a moral duty, blah, blah, blah...But history of this country is full of instances were naturalized citizens had to pick up a weapon and fight against their homelands.  British, Japanese, Germans, etc.  How are we Iranians any different than those immigrant groups?

So, here's the question to all naturalized U.S. citizens: you took an oath.  That is a legal obligation in a nation of laws.  You didn't have to become a citizen, but you freely chose to become one and accept all the obligations that went along with that decision.  So, regardless of how you feel about a certain military conflict, are you willing to stand by your oath, or are you going to find a way to get out of it (if and when the time comes--and I hope that it doesn't).  That's the ultimate question.  And frankly, after more than a 114 comments, I have yet to hear a straight forward answer from any naaturalized U.S. citizens.  I've heard a lot of safsateh, gradnstanding, displays of moral superiority, ususal America bashing, a lot of claims of being  a conscientious objector, but no real answer to the question of the oath and the resulting legal obligation.  


Darius Kadivar

Well ... Here's a Chance for IRANICAN's to Prove their Valor ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

Anonymous Observer

On free speech & "rape"

by Anonymous Observer on

I'll try to make these responses brief as I am an anti-safsateh person. 

The U.S. Constitution was the foundation on which this country was created .  The safeguarding of the form and way of life, and what the Constitution intended is a perpetual duty that dis not, and does not, extinguish at some point or time.  The main burden for safeguarding this way of life has been on the shoulders of U.S. servicemen and women. For example, it was the men and women--including many Japanese Americans--who toughed it out and fought the Japanese in WWII that prevented that fascist government from invading us and doing to us what they did to the Chinese and to the other nations they invaded.  It was the courage of the U.S. Navy that stopped the Soviets from planting nuclear missiles 80 miles from the shores of the United States.  It was also the same courage by men and women who served in Europe--and stared down the Soviets--that stopped the USSR from invading the U.S. and / or from turning it into a client state.  Now I know that many of you fossil leftover 60's and 70's Marxists cringe at the thought of your old bosses in USSR collapsing, but do you see what I'm talking about when we talk about the military protecting our way of life?

And please give it up with this "rape" nonsense.  Out of a 155,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq for seven years, fewer than ten soldiers engaged in a criminal act of rape and murder.  They were caught--partly because another honorable soldier reported them--and tried, the main culprit was even brought to the U.S. and tried in an open federal court so that he could be made an example--and rightly so.  The same thing goes for a dozen or so who were involved in the Abu Ghraib misconduct.  They got tried as well, and rightly so.  But compared to any other military in the world, especially the love of your lives Russia, whose soldiers tied and dragged your Muslim brothers behind trucks in Chechnya and burned down houses, the U.S. military is the most ethical and professional force in the world.  Even if 1,000 U.S. soldiers committed misconduct in Iraq, that is still less than one percent of their numbers.  So, get a grip and stop this whole slanderous melodrama of "rape."