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Amen to this one Mehrdad

 And more directly for Iranians, it will remove the one area that IRI has used to distract attention and actually got some legitimacy in the Muslim world.

AMEN!!!  I hope a peace deal happens as soon as possible so that the IR gets to STFU!!! But as I said, the Palestinians need to make the move.  Otherwise, Israel will just waste time.  

AO: Not knowing all the risk/technicality of such move

Your suggestion sound like a very reasonable and sound thing to do. We all know that the US will be forced to veto such move but at least US may be able to get some concession out of Israel for going against the majority of the world one more time.

One thing for sure is clear even to some Israelis that paying $1B a month for three months with no guarantee for a honest effort or result for peace is the absolute DUMBEST thing this nation can do.

Briefly in regards to peace and Iranians (only my opinion of course)

We all know that making peace between Palestinians and Israelis will benefit vast majority of people. First and foremost, the Palestinians and Israelis themselves by giving them statehood and peace respectively. It will remove much hostility towards US from the Muslim world if not wider world in general. And more directly for Iranians, it will remove the one area that IRI has used to distract attention and actually got some legitimacy in the Muslim world.

So, clearly this is to every one's benefit but those who have greed and design for land grab and the war industry at large.

Mehrdad

Here's the solution in my opinion

The Palestinians should declare statehood through the UN and then negotiate from a position of strength.  Even if they don't win approval at the UN, it will be a strong symbolic move.  This will be the ONLY way that Israel will take the matter seriously and negotiate in good faith.  Otherwise, the Israelis will waste more and more time, build more settlements, annex more land and will otherwise bamboozle the Palestinians indefinitely.  

What does Helen Thomas have to do with Iran you ask?

If you had read James Abourezk the former U.S. Senator's comment you would've seen the relationship. Here it is:

"But you can easily see the service Helen performed by asking that question.  As the Zionists and the Israelis are working very hard to get our country into a war with Iran, there remains almost no voice in the press or in the Congress to call a halt to this madness.

That is why we are all paying tribute to Helen tonight, and I hope, for a long time after this night.  We pay tribute to all soldiers who act with bravery, and tonight, we add Helen Thomas to that company.  She deserves our thanks, and she deserves the thanks of our nation.

Helen's fatal, and final, sin was, during a discussion of Iran's nuclear program during a press conference, to ask President Obama if anyone else in the Middle East -beside Iran - has nuclear weapons.  Of course, he didn't answer the question, which probably explains why he joined the chorus of denouncers to drum Helen Thomas out of the White House press room.  He simply didn't want the question coming up again at a future press conference.

But you can easily see the service Helen performed by asking that question.  As the Zionists and the Israelis are working very hard to get our country into a war with Iran, there remains almost no voice in the press or in the Congress to call a halt to this madness."

P.S. Veiled one, read before writing, think before reacting. 

What does

Helen Thomas have to do with Iran? Molla Khan you are obsessed with Lebanon. This is Iranian.com not Lebanon / Palestine / Israel .com. You are at the wrong web site. Now do yourself a favor and say something about Iran.

Psarthian

That is supposed to be a cool look! She may even be upset about what's happening on this site: being overrun by paid IR supporters!

only thing I can't understand is

 why is the girl to the right side of my screen so pissed of? 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

In praise of Helen Thomas the journalist who got fired from her

job for criticizing Israel's criminal regime. As James Abourezk the former U.S. Senator puts it:

"For the Zionist supporters of Israel, it’s OK for Israel to kill on the average of at least one Palestinian a day during its illegal occupation;.

It’s OK for Israel to use the million and a half people in Gaza as living targets in a shooting gallery.

It’s OK to bomb Syria and Lebanon any time such an attack is needed to bolster the military credentials of Israel=s politicians.

It’s OK to invade Lebanon whenever they feel like it. In my memory, Israel's military has killed at least 30,000 civilians in their Lebanon invasions.  But lately, with Hezbollah standing up to them, it=s happening on fewer and fewer occasions, and fewer and fewer Lebanese are being slaughtered by Israel.

It's OK to destroy the olive groves of Palestinian farmers.  It's OK to move them off their land to make room for Jewish settlements.

It’s  OK for Israel to send agents to spy on the United States, and it’s OK for the Obama Administration to dismiss charges against those of Israel’s spies who have been caught red-handed.

It’s OK for Israel to commit an act of criminal piracy on the high seas by boarding a ship full of people and food and medicine on their way to help stem the starvation brought on by Israel’s policy in Gaza, and to outright murder 9 people, including an American citizen out on the high seas.  Have you heard much lately about the American boy who was assassinated by the Israeli military on board one of those aid ships?  Have you wondered why you haven't heard anything about it from those great American journalists who so bravely ganged up on Helen Thomas?

It's OK to do all of those things I've listed, but it’s not OK to send money and food to Palestinian refugees to help them survive. 

And it’s not OK for Helen Thomas to tell Israel to get the hell out of Palestine.

And it’s not OK for anyone else to say that Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine is wrong and against the law, and that American taxpayers’ money is being used to help Israel commit these crimes against humanity.  That kind of criticism brings down calls of "anti-Semitism" from the likes of Foxman and Dershowitz.

As an American citizen, I am deeply worried, among other things, about the direction our government has taken and is taking with respect to its financing of Israel’s crimes.  There is no one left in the press corps to ask such questions now that they’ve drummed Helen out of journalism. 

Helen's fatal, and final, sin was, during a discussion of Iran's nuclear program during a press conference, to ask President Obama if anyone else in the Middle East -beside Iran - has nuclear weapons.  Of course, he didn't answer the question, which probably explains why he joined the chorus of denouncers to drum Helen Thomas out of the White House press room.  He simply didn't want the question coming up again at a future press conference.

But you can easily see the service Helen performed by asking that question.  As the Zionists and the Israelis are working very hard to get our country into a war with Iran, there remains almost no voice in the press or in the Congress to call a halt to this madness.

That is why we are all paying tribute to Helen tonight, and I hope, for a long time after this night.  We pay tribute to all soldiers who act with bravery, and tonight, we add Helen Thomas to that company.  She deserves our thanks, and she deserves the thanks of our nation.

Helen's fatal, and final, sin was, during a discussion of Iran's nuclear program during a press conference, to ask President Obama if anyone else in the Middle East -beside Iran - has nuclear weapons.  Of course, he didn't answer the question, which probably explains why he joined the chorus of denouncers to drum Helen Thomas out of the White House press room.  He simply didn't want the question coming up again at a future press conference.

But you can easily see the service Helen performed by asking that question.  As the Zionists and the Israelis are working very hard to get our country into a war with Iran, there remains almost no voice in the press or in the Congress to call a halt to this madness.

That is why we are all paying tribute to Helen tonight, and I hope, for a long time after this night.  We pay tribute to all soldiers who act with bravery, and tonight, we add Helen Thomas to that company.  She deserves our thanks, and she deserves the thanks of our nation."

Mola Nasradeen

You still don't get it, do you?

Palestine is not my country and so therefore it isn't my problem.

Call me a racist. Call me heartless but Iran has enough problems to worry about. 

Once the Palestinians show an interest in the problems of Iran and instead of siding with Saddam and instead of shooting at defenceless Iranian demonstrators like last summer then I might...just might...show an interest in them.

Until then think of it  like this: When the evil Zionists like Bejmanin Ben Guirion were thinking of where to establish a Jewish state they found an old book in Arabic called the Koran. They turned to found a  surah which said Allah bestowed the land of Israel to the children of Israel and there they would reside forever. As hard as they tried they could not find any reference to Palestine because it did not exist.

So when Islamists like you say that Zionism is racist and the Jews stole the land the Koran would argue otherwise. :) 

Israelies want to keep Golan Heights too not just Palestinians

land.

This is what was reported today.

//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

Response to A'molla

1. Who is occupying whose land?

Islamists are occupying Iran; and most of Middle East. By terror they enforce Islam on other people.

2. Who is building on this land?

Well since Islam mostly destroys it has to be others.

3. Who is moving into these new housing settlements?

Mostly Saudi moving into Pakistan; and their foul breed "Taliban"into nearby regions; contaminating their gene pool !!!USA has build housing for them at GITMO and is trying hard to pen them up there out of sight.

4. Isn't it illegal?

No, but Islam SHOULD be illegal.

5. Why do Americans have to pay politically and financially for the Israeli aggressions against the natives ?

Natives? You mean the brain washed children of once decent people.

Stop the distraction,

The questions are:

1. Who is occupying whose land?

Answer: For the last 62 years Zionist jews from all over the world have occupied another people's land and have pushed the natives out of their land.

2. Who is building on this land?

Answer: Israeli companies with the help of international investors such as Former World Bank president and Middle East Quartet envoy James D. Wolfensohn. 

3. Who is moving into these new housing settlements?

Answer: Russian jews, American jews and every other kinds of jews who can afford to pay for it.

4. Isn't it illegal?

Answer: Yes according to the United Nations all these settlements are illegal.

5. Why do Americans have to pay politically and financially for the Israeli aggressions against the natives ?

Answer: Because Zionist individuals and organizations have infiltrated all levels of government and media in the United States and they will try to defeat any politician (or fire any journalist from his job) if he/she does not support Israel.

Ahmadi The Populist

So Ahmadinejad was trying to "challenge the corrupt individuals in the system" by giving about 800 large and mid-size projects to the Revolutionary and Basij Corps, in the first three years in office! I wonder which system that was he was fighting against!!!

Simorgh5555: It did disgusted me when Arafat sided with Saddam

Just as it disgusted me when America sided, armed and pumped Saddam to attack Iran. You may wish to forget the America's role in that but I am not and understand that they took a much more vital role in that illegal, criminal and immoral war.

But I tell you what disgusts me even more then those action and that is when an Iranian sides with the enemy and participates in the war against the mother land. This can be in the form of direct participation like the MKE group siding with Saddam's regime or those who advocate war and bombing of Iran by US/Israel now.

You know the type I am talking about right?

You read my response to your charge of "gutter language" didn't you? Scroll down and you will see it.

Mehrdad

Bavafa, Norooz

The 90 day settlement freeze in exhnage for first genertion fighter aircrafts are part of a billion daollar military contract primarily benefiting the American arms industy and is essential for economy. the arms industry is the life blood of the American industry bringing in an income of billiosn of dolalrs and providing jobs to thousands of Americans. It is Sad but it is a fact.  The US has been exploting regional conflicts years and it doesn't take a rocket science to understand this.  It is America which pulls the strings here and they would not invest so heavily in Israel is there was no stretegic benefit for her.

However, you know what is so SAD about both of you is that:

1) USA (www.usaid.gov/) provides almost 1/5 of its international aid to Israel but you have no bone to pick with the other countries in Aftica and slesewhere where aid money for development has been misappropriaed by corrupt officials and used for laundering and fundign wars.

2) More importantly, and as VPK mentioned below, absolutely neither of you have any objections to the fact that Arafat and Fatah have been handed down $millions by the Islamic Republic which have been used to fund terror. You have no problem with the fact that most of them cheered on Saddam when he invaded Iran in the Gulf War and did not even give political support to Iran. It should sicken you to your stomach when Arafat publicly sided with Saddam in 1991 in the Gulf War 1 hugging and embracing him.  And then when he decided to make peace with Israel in Oslao in 1994 he told the Iranians to stick it after all the money he gave.  It should disgust you that Arab speaking soldiers in riot geer were used to shoot at Iranian demonstrators. Oh, and did I mention that the Palestinians suppot the calling of the Persian Gulf as the Arabian Gulf and that the Palestinains signed a charter supproting the UAE claims over Abu Musa, and the Greater and Lesser Tnubs Islands in the Persian Gulf. Of course none of this matters to you and I wonder why?...........Those anti-semetic feelings is in your DNA as is the Arab blood ties passed down from generation to genration. Despite everything your natural instinct is to come to the aid of your Arab brethren just like a an animal in wildlife kingdom whose natural instinct is to stick with its own kind. I am an Iranian. I bet you envy that :)  

Norooz: He may not have been the architect of IRI

But he is the head of State currently and therefore responsible directly. And I am sure nothing will be rosy or different after his term is over as until IRI is there the way it has been for the past 30 years, things will not be better for the Iranian people.

So, Iranian people beef is not so much with AN as he is only a smaller player in this mess we call IRI or Velayate Faghigh.

You see, the pledge of Palestinians is not that much different then Iranians, they all want freedom from oppression, justice and self rule. In Palestinians case, they are being oppressed by a foreign entity and in Iran, they are being oppressed by a domestic entity.

Mehrdad

The Voice

of Islamism calls me a fool! Here is someone who prays to 12 Arabs whom not even the majority of Muslims accept.

Iran was not anyone's "Nokar". There was massive economic progress and total peace. Thanks to the vampire Islamists led by Khomeini all that is gone. Now 1 rial is worth 1/1000 of what is was. Humm, really brilliant economic management.

If anything were to happen to Iran that would be 100% fault of Islamists. The idiots who instead of making friends with the west spit at them. 

I am no fan of the West but understand you don't pick a fight you can not win. Of course Iran is in danger. It would not be if we had a government with basic sense.

But that is too much to ask of an Islamist. They *want* war so they can die in glorious jihad. Then go to get their 20 or 40 or whatever # of virgins.

Now who would be the fool? Islamist does not even use an Islmis name.

Bavafa

He is not the architect. The secret service is the architect and they will take him out anytime he steps out of line. just as he has been threatened for his moderate comments. He has said that he was against any crackdowns and mistreatment of political prisoners. But he seems to be the smallest guy around and everyone likes to beat him up. All this anti Ahmadinejad movements started when he tried to challenge the corrupt individuals in the system. Don't worry! He will be gone in a couple of years and everything will turn rosy like before him.

Norooz

Since this article is about US-Israel relation and the way Israel has been raping the American people, I will not digress into AN role in this, only say this that even though it did not start with AN, but he has been fanning the flame for his own gain only and as a result has put Iran and Iranians interest at much greater jeopardy.

His message of freedom and justice for Palestinians might have carried some credibility had he not been the architect and defender of IRI crimes against the Iranian people.

Mehrdad

veiled

You wrote, There would have been no war had it not been for the revolution.

Of course you fool. Because Iran belonged to US and there was no reason for war. The wars and threats start when US interests and profits are cut.

Fool, you pretend to be upset for Arabs invading Iran centuries ago. who is investing and trying to create division and break Iran into different countries today? Who is charging the Arabs to make claims over Iranians territories? Who is defending those territories and will retaliate if any country Arab or not attack Iran? And what are the position of fools like you? Your position is are all over your writings, you fool.

Don't ask! Your next question will be. Why are you here then?

Bavafa,

Ahmadinejad has been right. He very well knows who he is dealing with internationally and internally.  Ahmadinejad speaks the truth about west and Israel.  That sits well with many and they support him and it doesn't sit well with some and they oppose him.  US and Israel will take advantage of any situation to kill, destroy and try to benefit from.  That didn't start with Ahmadinejad and will not end when he leaves.  So let's not blame Ahmadinejad for their crimes and forgive them.  That is also what some are trying to do internally. Blaming him for all the wrong they have done for the past 31 years. Unfortunately, independence comes with pressure, threats, sanctions, wars and etc.  If we wanted to stay a Nokar, we shouldn't have had the revolution as Veiled the fool stated.

The question was not if

The question was not if Khomeni prolonged the war, it was whether so many of us did stay to defend our home land or did we expect others to do it for us, hence my question to stand up for your own right

Norooz:

"They are all the same old foolish games. I am afraid Ahmadinejad has been right."

As much as I agree that US has been speaking from both side of the mouth and has no genuine interest in peace that is based on just and fairness, the same goes for Ahmadinejad as he is in this just to muddy the water so his own crimes and shortcomings against Iranian people are disguised in this mess we call justice and fairness.

In fact I do strongly believe that AN has been the best gift to Israel since Khomenie himself and that Israel has been using this gift to justify and further their expansion and crimes against Palestinians. And AN action has proven that his rhetoric against Israel is not as a result of yearning for peace but merely to seek attention at home and in the wider Muslim world to further strengthen his footing on the throat of Iranian people.

Mehrdad

Well "Norooz"

Now getting desperate and badmouthing me. Why don't you learn manners? No wonrder you lose every single argument.

I will respond. But in responding I will leave your rudeness out.

These talks are not about peace as anyone with an ounce of brain can tell.

Regarding talks: they are between Palestinians and Israel. Not between Iran and any one. From the Islamist Republic view they are about one thing: diverting attention. So that they get people hyped up against Jews and let the Mollah remain in power.

As for Sudan or any other nation,  the position is the same. 

I see that is why you and your ilk never write about Sudan. When was it that your Mollahs said anything about it? Or Chechnya or anywhere except for Israel. 

Arabs attacked Iran and the Iranians you call Arabs stayed and fought to save Iran.

There would have been no war had it not been for the revolution. After that if the Mollahs had not murdered the Iranian military top brass. So your side weakens Iran so Arabs get to attack then talk about fighting. I remind you that Khomeini prolonged the war?

I have said many times that Arab Iranians are as Iranian as any other person.

Why don't you change your pseudoname to Eid-e Fetr it is more fitting.

veiled

I didn't wrote Jews you fool. I wrote Israel and US.  Didn't you read the part I compared Israel to US? These games are for fools like you. I and many others know the difference between peace talks and BS. These talks are not about peace as anyone with an ounce of brain can tell.

You wrote, if Israel make peace, Palestinians will break the agreement.

Fool, the facts are so obvious that even the United Nations of America has condemned Israel with all the influence west has on UN and you still write bunch of baseless claims.

As for Sudan or any other nation,  the position is the same. Now tell me who is selling the arms and supporting the country that is killing Sudanese?

You can make as much baseless claims as you want and pretend to be anti Arab and use Iran to defend Israel and US, but you can't deny that you have done nothing for Iran and you ran when in 1980 Arabs attacked Iran and the Iranians you call Arabs stayed and fought to save Iran.

Sure Norooz

It is all USA and Esraeel against nice peace loving Muslims. Yes; right. The same Muslims who destroyed our nation in the name of Mohammad. The same filth that took our people as slaves. 

Islam's idea of peace is "submission". Meaning bend over and take it. The only peace Islam wants is that of mindless robots doing "taglid" of the Mollahs. No thanks! Good for America and Israel to not buy into this bull.

I am not particularly interested in Israel; but the Israeli understandably are. I guarantee if Israel were to make a deal the Palestinians would break it. Muslims pushed them out in the past 1400 years; now roles are reversed. 

Why is it fine for Muslims to take but not the other way? Why don't I hear this outrage when Muslims in Sudan dish it out? When I mentioned my property Mehrdad said "I should grow up". But when Jews take property then Mehrdad and Norooz want "justice". The world must take action; blah; blah;. As usual: Muslim good; Jew and Iranian bad. Hypocrisy at its highest form.

The fact is that neither

The fact is that neither Israel nor US want peace. Peace will stop the constant demolition of Palestinians homes and expansion of Israeli settlements. Peace will stop the arm deals. peace will cut the flow of other nations resources to US. peace will give a chance to other nations to improve and advance and reduce their trade with west and cut in US and Europeans profits. Peace between Palestine and Israel will stabilize Middle East.  Other nations must always be held back so they trade their resources with western goods and machines. It doesn't take a genius to solve the problem. Palestinians have always said that if Israel respect the 1967 agreement Palestinians will live in peace with them, but the Israelis keep breaking one agreement after another because peace is an obstacle for Israelis plans.  They remind me of the agreements US kept breaking with Indians and other nations. In fact, the two have had a very similar past and present. perhaps shedding the blood of innocent people is the bonding agent between these two countries.

Below is part of the report in the link posted by Mola Nasredeen.

The U.S. has proposed that Israel cease settlement building for 90 days in return for a fleet of next-generation stealth fighter planes and U.S. pledges to veto anti-Israel resolutions at the United Nations.

Isn't this sickening? Where is peace in this? where is the Palestinians interest in this? where is fairness in this? where is justice that US speak of 24/7?  Do you really think that US will ever be a fair mediator in these talks or should we call them F...s? They are all the same old foolish games. I am afraid Ahmadinejad has been right.

This is only another

This is only another evidence how out of touch the American people have come with the actions of our government. I don't believe we, the American people, were being raped as bluntly even during the GWB reign when our foreign policy was absent of any logic and common sense. Don't get me wrong, I am all for peace between Israel and Palestinians, a just peace of course that is based on 1967 borders. But there is absolutely nothing in this deal that remotely moves that peace process forward. As I said before, selling arms in the interest of peace is like raping in the interest of saving virginity. This country is doomed Mehrdad

Issues at hand: Why should American taxpayers pay $3 billions

To Israel so they stop building new settlements for 90 days on the land they have taken away by terrorizing the natives? They are asked to stop building for just 90 days The AUDACITY, REALLY! Here is the details as was reported today:

"The U.S. has given written assurance to Israel that it won't be pressured to impose any additional settlement freezes after it accepts a limited 90 day construction moratorium". //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

2. What are the consequences of supporting and bribing a criminal apartheid regime for Americans? 

PS. Demonizing and distraction techniques used on this website is not working any more. American people are paying a heavy price for supporting the racist regime of Israel and they're fed up.

VPK:

As Australians would say: No worries!

G, Rahmanian

I did NOT accuse you of supporting IR supporters.

My bad. Double negatives got me confused.

Regarding the rest I basically agree. 

Mola Nasradeen

The only person who is deviating from the issue and demonising is you. You have been asked to challeneg the charge of anti-semetism against you by the rational arguments put to you and your indiffirence to the suffering of Mulsims other than Palestinians and your reticence in criticising  concerning countries which have attacked Iran namely Arabs and Sudan.

Unfortunately, you are a dog chasing its tail and in your mind everything is a Zionist or rabid Jewish conspiracy. This is called the 'impotent man' syndrome and I am afraid you have it. An impotent man who cannot conceive will always blame his wife.