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A matter of balance and priority

Agreed: we should care about all humanity including the Palestinian and Jewish victims of hate and war. But the Palesinians, being Musilm Arabs, cleverly exploit both religion and Arab nationalism to get literally 22 Arab and Muslim governments, their media and hundred of millions to fund and root only for them.

Under Saddam, Iraqis were forced to even pay a percentage of their wages for Palestinians cause. Similar fund collections continue all over the Arab and Islam world, in East and West.

Plus, the Palestinians have the huge $$$$ support of wealthy Saudi Arabia and Gulf states, and their well-funded world satellite TV now also in English- the mighty al-Jazera, the Fox TV propaganda of the Arab world!

Palestinian refugees can and do travel to and make homes in tens of Arab states as more or less welcome Muslim and Arab brothers. They already have the advantage of speaking Arabic and worshiping their common Aabic-witten Holy Quran.

What and whom do Iranians have to support their cause of getting right of Oxymoronic Iranian Repbulic- the tyranny of religious, corrupt and biggotted Imams?

Surrounded by Turkey, Iraq and Afghanistan, where could Iranians escape to? Which neighbors could help them?

Iranian Persians and Kurds are true brothers by race and language roots, including mixed marriages for thousands of years since before the unfortunate conquest of backward Islam. 

Just across the border Saddam gassed Halabja where 5000 innocent civilians - youn, old and babies -  were murdered in less than 5 minutes, far more than any number of Palestinian civilians claimed to be killed by Israel.

Yet the ignorant Mullas have installed a Maydani Palestine Monument in Tehran for their faraway Muslilm Arab brothers (acquired by force about 1400 years ago) but not for their blood and language Kurdish brothers who are their immediate neighbors. Ironically, the footage of Halabja victims - which I saw in the film David & Layla -  were taken by amateur Iranian Journalists.

By all means let's care for all humanity. But let their be balance and pripority. At present, backed by oil money, the world TV cameras disproportionaltey focus mostly on the Palestinian cause to the exclusion of other equally if not more worthy causes: Chechnya, Iran, Kurdistan under Turkey, Rwanda, South Sudan invaded by Arab Muslim invaders, Turkey now invading Iraqi Kurdistan, Tibet,...

Justice & Peace for All.

Ben

There have been times when I had to bet that even Zionists must be surprised by your great courage to insult Iranian nationalists ;)

Other times I felt angry for agreeing with you, this time is not one of them.

Just like much of the other population in the region, we have so much problems of our own that it simply does not make sense to leave our own problems and try to help others first.

Yes, Palestine may well be a worthy cause but I think the solution for both theirs and ours to improve lies closer to our home.

Keep it up!

Re: Lets forget

Why? Because Israel is the loudest voice asking for bombing of Iran. Does that explain why Iranians are concerned?

Lets forget

I still really dont understand ,why Palestine ????
Why Iranian society was silent during internal turmoil in Tajikistan? when at least 400.000-600.000
people dead.
Where were protests in Iran during Russian occupation of Chechnya?
Where were protests when Armenia occupied North Azerbaijan`s territory?
Is it double standart?
Lets be realistic?
What does mean for me Palestinian struggle when my compatriots (in North Azerbaijan) live in miserabe in refugee camps?

Lets forget

I still really dont understand ,why Palestine ????
Why Iranian society was silent during internal turmoil in Tajikistan? when at least 400.000-600.000
people dead.
Where were protests in Iran during Russian occupation of Chechnya?
Where were protests when Armenia occupied North Azerbaijan`s territory?
Is it double standart?
Lets be realistic?
What does mean for me Palestinian struggle when my compatriots (in North Azerbaijan) live in miserabe in refugee camps?

Bravo!

Let's not forget WHAT the Palestinians did for Mr. Khomeini, as first line executioners of innocent Iranians that Khomeini wanted killed off. Let's not forget that Mr. Arafat was a two-bit gutter snipe who cared nothing for the Palestinians and all he wanted was to use them in his cause for self-promotion. Arabs, specifically Jordanians who "house" Palestinians in their country and constitute 80% of that country, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. care nothing for these people. So why should Iranians? Has anyone asked WHAT on earth these people are then "used" for? The answer is QUITE simple: they are tools for all of those who want some half-ass cause and have some kind of psychological baggage that requires them to take out their anger on the world. MANY other people have suffered before turning to violence in the history of our planet and frankly the fact that it took the Irish 700 years of subjugation before they formed the IRA says something. The Palestinians turned to violence in exactly 17 years - which was realistically the date of the formation of the PLO and the PFLP in 1964 (and then 3 years for the first Intifada in 1987). These people don't deserve our concern, they deserve our pity and then we need to forget about them. I feel more sorry for the Jews, Armenians, Tibetans, Cubans and many other people who have been through utter HELL and have handled themselves for hundreds of years with dignity and grace.

just comment

ESQ OLSUN!!! BEN bele de davam ele !!!
Guneydeki soydaslarimiz haqqinda da yazilarini gozleyirik!

Israel the anomaly

The anomaly that takes no responsibility for the power that it has. It tries to follow Nazi's doctrines. A country ONLY for the elite (Jewish). Forget separation of church and state. They don't have churches, they have synagogues - so that don't apply to them. They are democratic - well kind of. Their "enemies" are barbaric (instead of F-16I and nuclear weapons, they use suicide bombers - that's just unacceptable). In short, Israel good, the rest bad. God himself has sanctioned Israel. There are documents recently found near Dead Sea that confirms this. You can clearly see God's unique signature that this land was promised to the Jews. And other please get the hell lost.

What a bunch of morons! What a waste of education and power given to such regressive bunch of idiots! There isn't ONE country in the world that respects Israel. Most fear it's nuclear weapon arsenal, supplied to them by such figures as the beloved-around-the-world George Bush. Are you disgusted yet?

بنی آدم اعضای یکدیگرند

بنی آدم اعضای یکدیگر اند

که در آفرینش زیک گوهر اند

چو عضوی بدرد آورد روزگار

دگر عضوها را نماند قرار

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I agree

I agree...I am too growing indifferent to the Palestinian cause specially when I see Arab leaders making a man made Island but unable to help their own fellow Arab brothers.

And the fact that we Iranians are in the most need back in Iran. I mean big parts of the country are still torn from the war that ended back in 80s!

And Bam destroyed our complete city and killed over 26000 fellow hamvatans, probably more than all Palestinians that have been killed in the past decade.

Don't get me wrong I still feel sorry for Palestinians and their cause, and trust me when I was younger, I was passionately pro Palestinian but as I am getting older and wider (hopefully) I see and feel our own people's paid, and self appointed and fake elected leaders who have different agendas and I have grown to think, Palestinian issue is becoming less significant to me.

To Farhad2008

In 60 yrs noone of them was active to establish a palestine state.

That's untrue. The British mandate of Palestine was partitioned into 3 states. Jordan, Palestine and Israel. The nation of Palestine was created on the same day that Israel was created. What came next, is teh fault of the Arabs. Not of the Israelis. And Arabs have been the biggest resistors of inetrnational attempst to undo the damage that was caused when a confederation of Arab states vowed to destroy Israel in 1948, and then attemnpted to do exactly that - and failed. Repeatedly.

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Noone of those media you mentioned supports palestine. Has anyone seen that BBC / other media channel deny Israel sometimes? Has anyone seen that western media use the term anti semetic related to palestine and not israel? Who has made this" antisemetic " at all? Who has made this image: palestines as terrorists? wake up:) Who has the power " information " ?
Western world are in the same familly.
They can unagree in some subject but when its about danger / israels existens they become all one. In 60 yrs noone of them was active to establish a palestine state. Israel is now a country and accepted by many nations in UN. The phase 1 is passed now, thats why they are talking about to support establishing of a palestine state, in otherwise they wouldnt.
Its not the world who is interested to talk about israel / palestine, They made this attention at media! If 2000 dies in india you probably hear that on media but 5 israelian dies the media will .. ( kind of jer dadan)
Israel wont see a strong iran. They are willing to seperate Iranian population / bombing iran and not accept an strong iran. The same happened in 1978.
You Ben, you has a worthless mind. One can clearly see it when you express your hatefull ideas to iranian history culture and identity. you are worthless becase you beleive cajole israel would satisfy your mind. Once i had the same picture of israel and beleived what you describe of the country but that time i was a child and i hope you grow up and be well one day.

Amen brother!

Thank you. I really resent Iranians pretending to be more "Palestinian" than the Palestinians themselves all for the sake of the Mullahs to score points on the Arab street!

Re: Once more...

I am reposting my comment again. Iranian pro-palastinian trashes are welecome to answer to this:

After the victory of the revolution, Khomeini promised to help the palestinians. This was one of the few promises he kept. After Yaser Arafat's visit to Iran, Khomeini termendously helped the palestinians financially by pouring Iranian money on them, not just to aid them for political or military reasons, but also for social aids. While Iran was sharing some of his riches with the palestinians, Saddam did not even lift a finger for the same palestinians.

Then Saddam decided to invade Iran. The palestinians did not hesitate, not for one second, to support Saddam against Iran, even while they were still receiving money from Iran.

While Saddam was bombing Iranians and killing them in the front, Felestinians poured into the streets and "rejoiced" the news of each of Saddam's victories against Iran. They actually celebrated Saddam's victories.

But that's not all. The Palestinians even sent volunteers to Iraq to fight against Iranians, in the hopes of appeasing Saddam, in order to get a piece of khuzestan's riches after Saddam's victory, a victory that seemed very much promising in the first year of the war.

In the entire eight years of the war, the Palestinians never stopped supporting Saddam against Iran. At the very least, they could have remained neutral after and while receiving so much money and support from khomeini.

Therefore, The Palestinians betrayed Iran and the Iranian people's goodwill. They are traitors to Iranians.

And now here we find a bunch of sorry pathetic "nokar" who still want to shove the cause of the palestinians after they betrayed Iran. I am not surprised at all since the majority of them have never put Iran's interests first, instead they have put their bankrupt ideologies first, and Iranian interests last.

Felestin

We can question why things go on as much as we desire, however making rational judgment and moral calls clearly have no effect on those in power. I have done this since i was a teenager and have gotten no were with it as I am sure you have. As one would say saret to kareh khodet basheh behtareh. Yes Iran could focus on their own nation and allocated oil funds to those in need in Iran and yet they choose to help plastinians. So what, what are you going to do about it? Get angry,frustrated ect. Go right ahead.

Thank you ,Bored Iranian dude!

Thanks for saying exactly what I was going to say to Delnaz.
Why should our oil money support and add fuel to killings and violence?what about the rest of the poor and needy in the world??
Delnaz I am sure you are Muslim ! aren't you??otherwise you would have looked equally into the plight of poor in Africa.

RE: Delnaz

Your a prime example of an Iranian which watches conflicts from one side and writes excessive drama about it. Remember before Israel had no wall or isolation policy? Remember the suicide attacks in the clubs, cafes or resturants in Tel Aviv? If you lost your son or daughter in one of these cafes, would you be sitting behind your computer writing such lovely poetic verses in defence of humanity and the palestinians? Bebin, No one here is saying that the palestinians are less human, or belong to a lesser group, or are not suffering from conditions that are illegal by international law, Ben is making a very clear point that

1: There are many more ethnic groups who have it FAR more worse than the palestinians

2: Iranians in Iran are in a state prison, iranian children are not allowed to grow up with the ability to enjoy free thought and an open society, most of them will grow up in a poor corrupt society with low job and education opportunities that is run by a gang that uses the Palestinian issue for their own political interest, not for the palestinians. We should take care of our own country first!

3: if you are such a wonderfull human and we are not, you should agree to the point that we must help the dire needy first (Africa, south-asia), and help only with food, water and medicine, not guns, rockets or weapons to mullahs in Gaza or Lebanon.

4. Bens point, and every moderate sane secular Iranians point is that we should mediate abroad to end this conflict so that neither Israeli or Palestinian dies, and only if they want to, and if iranians want to send help personally, they should, but national iranian oil money should not be sendt to Hamas and Hezbollah without even blinking! This can ONLY be done if you have a sane balanced view of the conflict like the rest of the world has. Not a view where you see no fault of the palestinians or Iranians and blame everything on Israel.

5. But when all these points are obvious and clear to people, but they STILL keep talking and crying about this conflict, one has no other conclusion to think that there a strong anti Israeli (jewish?) sentiment going on based on the lies the IRI has spat out into their ears so many times. Prejudice goes both ways, Israelis are humans too, they want to be left alone, they dont want their children being blown up by Red Jihad and on and on, I can understand it.

6. If the palestinians had accepted non violent resistance against their occupation, khoda midone how well they would have been now today, instead they clinge on violence and death. They chose to fight with arms, and they lose, and then people like you mourn the result of their moronic, and extreme religious choices. They have weak leaders, weak rulers and weak "allies" or fake friends like the IRI that will use them and one day dump them.

RE: Delnaz

Your a prime example of an Iranian which watches conflicts from one side and writes excessive drama about it. Remember before Israel had no wall or isolation policy? Remember the suicide attacks in the clubs, cafes or resturants in Tel Aviv? If you lost your son or daughter in one of these cafes, would you be sitting behind your computer writing such lovely poetic verses in defence of humanity and the palestinians? Bebin, No one here is saying that the palestinians are less human, or belong to a lesser group, or are not suffering from conditions that are illegal by international law, Ben is making a very clear point that

1: There are many more ethnic groups who have it FAR more worse than the palestinians

2: Iranians in Iran are in a state prison, iranian children are not allowed to grow up with the ability to enjoy free thought and an open society, most of them will grow up in a poor corrupt society with low job and education opportunities that is run by a gang that uses the Palestinian issue for their own political interest, not for the palestinians. We should take care of our own country first!

3: if you are such a wonderfull human and we are not, you should agree to the point that we must help the dire needy first (Africa, south-asia), and help only with food, water and medicine, not guns, rockets or weapons to mullahs in Gaza or Lebanon.

4. Bens point, and every moderate sane secular Iranians point is that we should mediate abroad to end this conflict so that neither Israeli or Palestinian dies, and only if they want to, and if iranians want to send help personally, they should, but national iranian oil money should not be sendt to Hamas and Hezbollah without even blinking! This can ONLY be done if you have a sane balanced view of the conflict like the rest of the world has. Not a view where you see no fault of the palestinians or Iranians and blame everything on Israel.

5. But when all these points are obvious and clear to people, but they STILL keep talking and crying about this conflict, one has no other conclusion to think that there a strong anti Israeli (jewish?) sentiment going on based on the lies the IRI has spat out into their ears so many times. Prejudice goes both ways, Israelis are humans too, they want to be left alone, they dont want their children being blown up by Red Jihad and on and on, I can understand it.

6. If the palestinians had accepted non violent resistance against their occupation, khoda midone how well they would have been now today, instead they clinge on violence and death. They chose to fight with arms, and they lose, and then people like you mourn the result of their moronic, and extreme religious choices. They have weak leaders, weak rulers and weak "allies" or fake friends like the IRI that will use them and one day dump them.

Human First!

Mr. Medadi I personally find ur comment very insulting! I hate the idea of grouping people, it divides us all.

how can u say that Iranians (inside and outside of Iran) are suffering more then Palestinians or other victim nations in the world? Iranians also want freedom, yes. We oppose the clerical regime that we have today because of its ignorance and to some degree its brutality, yes. But the brutality that the Palestinians face r completely outrageous!

Unlike Palestine, Iran is not an open-air prison; every individual within Iran has not lost atleast one family member to an Israeli tank/soldier or continue to suffer from psychological and physical stress every minute of every day; Iran is not being occupied, or "completely" oppressed for absurd reasons; Every life within Iran is not being threatened; We do not have 4.5 million Iranians living under unbearable conditions in refugee camps unlike the 4.5 Palestinians today which make up roughly 1/2 the Palestinian population on this planet; Atleast our clothes and food dont smell of gas; Atleast we have enough food selling on the streets (even though it may be limited to some); Atleast our kids can go out and play freely outside their homes whether they live in villages, small towns, or cities; Atleast our kids can walk to school and not be afraid of bombings or military tanks outside of their homes; And atleast we have a country on the globe that is Iran. We're not losing our ethnicity to another country. Many Iranians are not denied access to return to their homeland or even enter a hospital without passing Israeli military forces.

I feel so sorry for people like you. when r some of you going to start thinking outside of ur own narrow interests? Whether you're a Palestinian or an Iranian, you should remember that you're a human first! The world wouldnt be in such turmoil if everybody reminded themselves of that.

why not..

Love your argument Ben, keep writing man.

RE: Ben

Well they should pay you, keep up the good work!

Re: Mr Farhad

I am not so sure about the Western media as a whole! If you watch Fox news (I never watch it, and I don't live in the US) you will see Israelis more, Palestinians less. If you watch BBC over here in the UK you will see Palestinians slightly more. If you watch CNN I think you will pretty muich find a balance. But, everybody can think in their own directions. Ask an Israeli and he will most probably tell you that CNN is biased against them.

But I am unhappy that we do not see Darfur enough if we are saying that we are some concerned people. Also Chechnia is important, and also sub-Saharan Africa. These are places fogotten by most of the world. At the same time, we must first take care of our own. Iran has enough Arabs of its own and they are Shia (Palestinians are Sunni). Why doesn't the Iranian regime do something for them? Khuzestan is a poverty-stricken land where Arab Iranians have few jobs and many problems unsolved. If Israel has occupied the Palestinian people, then shame on them! But if Iran itself is under an unrepresentative regime itself, then shame on us for not doing enough in order to change the behaviour of our own regime. And we are not doing enough at all. First we need to clean our own house, then we can go and broker peace between Israel and Palestine, but I don't think it's that easy between Israel and Palestine because it is an Arab-Israel-US matter and Iran is not even a desirable partner there. They don't want us there. We are only making things worse.

How much I take for my articles? Hahaha... you think you could find a moron to pay me for what I write? :))

wondering

Wrong perspective. Its under worlds responsibilitty to protect Israel ( israel couldnt stand alone without help from the west ) but its not the world case to support palestine!
There are 2 different views here: is it only wrong that IRAN support palestine or is it wrong that the world support palestine?
Ofcourse this is not Iran case, but this is political issue not moral.
who has helped palestine during 50 yrs. How can someone see the justice in arabs/jews- semetic views of the promiss land and... mickey mouse fantasy world.
To me, denifation of promiss land is like the story of karbala.
To help palestines is not wrong this is not about how regime in iran is, thats different case. what about if iran had a democrat regime and support palestinian?
The war between palestine & israel is not in balance.. if 2 israelian dies western-media make a big attention but 200 palestinain is not that important.
If there were no unjustice and no unbalance power noone could misuse the situation like the regim in iran does.
Ben how much money do you take to put these un-aware articles, lol

Re: Wondering

I try to respond to reasonable comments. It is not about bringing up the subject. Of course we are entitled to bring up any subject. The issue of Israel being afraid of a nuclear Iran is a different issue from the Palestinian issue. While the Palestinian issue must not be such an important issue for the Iranians if there was no mass media propaganda in Iran for it, the nuclear issue is a different matter. Iranians must advocate for a peaceful Middle East (that includes Israel-Iran relations) and I hope there will never be any conflict in the region. If someone writes about this conflict between Israel and Iran, saying it again, that is a different issue and an important one. Even if I am repeating myself I shall say it again that okay Palestinians are suffering but let's be realistic! Iranians are 75 million people, while Palestinians are 3-4 million. We are Iranians and we should care about Iranians and the importance the Iranian regime gives to Palestinians is of simple hypocrisy and nothing more. Palestinians receive probably the most aid (relative to their economy and their population) from all over the world, the US, the EU, and other countries, while many other needy people (much nedier) in the world receive no aid, are dying in wars, diseases and famines.

RE: Wonderous

Iran supports Hamas/Hezbollah, most importantly with long range rockets -> Hamas Hezbollah kills Israelis -> Israel has been the declared number one enemy of the IRI since 1979-1980 -> Iran doesnt even look at Israel as a country even its registered at the UN and has a large Hebrew speaking population -> Now Iran wants enrichment technology while being hostile to a state that has the most advanced lobbying groups in most of the EU and in the US -> Yup, you will be bombed and you would have reacted exactly the same as they are.

Solution? Change our foreign policy, be neutral and talk to everyone, INCLUDING Israel. If you dont support Israel going into Palestine, why do you support Iran going into Gaza and southern Lebanon when all Arab leaders exept the syrian president wants us to?

Have self criticism, dont be like the right wingers in the US who cant think critically about themselves, then your no better.

So, just because you care

So, just because you care about the Palestinians and their sufferings, you can not focus of the issues in Iran?!!

What kind of stupid argument is that?!

I will stop bringing up

I will stop bringing up Israel as soon as Israel stops demanding the bombing of Iran. How about that Mr. Madadi? Is that a deal?

Or are you going to follow the advice of the million dollar New York PR companies that provide Israel guidance on how to keep Israel's image in the world and simply ignore comments that you have no answer for?

Re: sex education

Thank you for your concern! :))

Re: Madadi and Gilani - "Please use condomn when you meet"

Mr Gilani and Madani

As a concerned citizen fighting Aids epidomy I ask you please use condomn when you two meet.

Re: Gilani

Just write "Ben's Big Fan!" It'll do ;)