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Re: Iran is occupied by Islamists savages - Gooz beh Shaghighe

Gooz beh shahighe cheh rabti dareh!!!
It's Palestinian issue, Israeli issue, American issue not Iranian issue. Soorakh da ro gom kardin.
Palestine is occupied by Israel not Iran.
USA helps Israel to continue the occupation.
Americans and Middle Eastern are paying for this disastrous policy.

You forgot to mention that

You forgot to mention that any time there is any sign of uprising in Iran, Palestinians set up road blocks in the streets of Iranian cities, pull out young Iranian people out of their cars, push them against walls, strip search them, and kick the crap out of them while brandishing their machine guns and assault rifles. And, WE are supposed to feel sorry for them?!
Iran is under foreign occupation.

Q et al are defending the

Q et al are defending the rights of a regime which has done everything it can to incite wars. Taking Americans hostage. Verbal attacks on Saddam Hussein from day one of its inception. Talks of exporting their brand of "Islam" and "revolution." Interference in the internal affairs of Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority with the aim to prevent peace in the region. Calling for the destruction of Israel. Openly stating their dream of taking over Jerusalem. Making Iraq-Iran war that could have ended in less than two years, last eight years. A war that proved disastrous for the Iranian people and lucrative for those in charge of the war efforts. The real political stance of the Iranian regime can be summed up in a statement by the former defense chief, Ali Shamkhani who recently said, "If we cooperate, oil is $7 a barrel. And if we don't, it is $70." He was talking about cooperating with the international community at a recent investment conference. As if Iran can isolate itself from the rest of the world. As if the regime has not auctioned off whatever it can to foreign interests. What he actually means is that they are not interested in any peace in the Middle East.

Q et al are mouthpieces of the Islamic Republic and should be ignored because they have nothing to offer but hate-mongering and disinformation. They are instigator of war and hate and have no moral or intellectual authority to talk about peace and justice as long as they support and advocate the Islamic Republic's ideological and political policies.

Just ignore these egomaniacs...

Ben Madadi

You claim to be Azeri Turks, I really doubt it.
I have been to Azirbijan and Bako and I know ....

I am a Baluch. Baluchs are the Natives of Iran. Before there were any Farse or Turk … There were Baluches
...

On the Palestine Issue I am welling to debate you...

You, however are coward ....

We had this debate before and you tend to hide when put to the task ...

Look & Remember :

//67.192.94.187/main/2007/blame-game

my alias was
"Islam is part of our tradition and ID"

Ben

Oh, ok it now depends on how you interpret it and compared to the potential eh? You are sticking your foot further down your throat with this. You made an absurd statement and are now try to fix it by MAST MALI.
How do you know what the potential of Palestine would be were it not under occupation? Or Iran for that matter if it was democratic. Maybe Palestine could have been another Japan while Iran another India. Your initial statement is in present tense, not past and not future.
The statement that Iranians are worse off than Palestinians is indefensible no matter how you look at it, relative, absolute, potential etc. Furthermore it shows how low some people can stoop to defend the indefensible.
Besides, who says that we don't care about Iran. Why is caring about Iran and Palestine mutually exclusive? Just because someone defends the rights of Palestinians does not in any way mean they don't care about Iran. That is YOUR twisted interpretation of things because it serves your purpose of dismissing Palestinians rights.

Because Israel is the loudest voice asking for bombing of Iran

Not even the US is that interested in bombing Iran. Of course their excuse is that they only want to slice out the fundamentalist Islamic regime and not the Iranians but we can see how well they have been able to "only fight terrorists" in their own area! Besides, if they didn't like a fundamentalist Islamic regime in Iran, why did they help put it in place originally? Why have they supported it in the past 28 years? Are you telling me that when General Huyser, a high ranking American officer and second in command of NATO forces helped convince the Iranian military leaders to accept Khomeini's regime and give up support of Bakhtiar's government, that Israel was not aware? You want me to believe that?

No, IRI has served Israel very well up to now. IRI has provided cheap oil and resources to the West (which Israel benefited from greatly) and also kept the country weak (which again benefited Israel greatly). Israel has no interest in "bringing democracy to Iran." All that is happening is that the regime that US and Israel put in place has now started to lose its original value and all they want to do is to weaken "Iran." Once that has been done, they will show no interest in what happens to Iran - as they haven't in the past 28 years. That is why my friend Mr. Madadi we cannot ignore Israel when we want to do something about Iran. It is easy for Israelis to sit in their "civilized" mansion in Israel and say why do you guys bother us? The fact is we are not bothering them - it's their own twisted principles that is catching up to them. A bunch of influential people living in Europe and the US take all their money and buy some fighter jets and bombs and "come back to their homeland" - what a crock of shit. And then they wonder why they are not loved. If you want be loved, maybe study the Bahai religion as an example. They are a minority too. They have been persecuted too. They exist in most countries around the world. But the difference between them and Israel is that their main principal idea is a world view as opposed to Jewish-only view. So understandably they are respected instead of feared. The issue of repression in Iran and Israel ARE unfortunately related and the relation has been created by Israel NOT by IRI. Israel had problems before IRI and it will have after IRI. Even the late Shah near the end of his reign started pointing out that Israel is interfering with the Middle Eastern affairs too much. And could it be why he was removed and replaced by a regime that would devastate Iran so that it could never voice anything against Israel? Do you see now why Israel is tightly connected to the suppression of Iranians by IRI?

RE: Daryush

You cant expect the world to take a government like the IRI seriously when it speaks about Death to America and Israel, and Little Satan England in its OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SPEECHES! If you think the world hates Bus, guess what, our leaders are almost equally as hated. And as America is hated because of Bush, Iran is hated because of the IRI. This is not being moderate, Israel does see us as a threat, why? Because we would too! How much hatred do we not have for saddam not because of the war, but because he supported the MEK! Proxy cold war engagement with other countries is the worst thing one could do, especially with a paranoid state like Israel were most people are waiting for Iranian bombs to start the "Second Holocaust". Ive talked to Israelis, a friend of mine works in Tel Aviv (Iranian), and people there are SERIOUSLY scared about this regime. We would too if we were in their place. (No im not jewish, nor am I a part of ZOG lol), so see the issue from both sides.

So by your logic, its ok that we officially accept flag burning, death calling and threatinig against other countries, but its not ok when other countries do it against us. Iranians need to seriously wake up.

Want to help the palestinians? Change your own country, have a moderate, reasonable foreign policy (and a sensible local policy granting a referendum for your own people ffs!) where you trade, talk and be friends with all countries, hostilities and entangling alliances with none, and let your country mediate in the conflict as an outsider because Iranians are outsiders!! Both parties say we are, what more do you need to hear? A big sign saying "Leave us the F alone?" The arabs dont want us in this conflicts, the jews dont want us in this conflict!!

Its funny Iranians point the finger for the EU and the US for going around the world and starting wars and supporting sides in conflicts to spread their definition of good, when we do it by supporting militant groups, its because "the palestinians are suffering".

Dont be a hypocrite, if you want war and conquest, be ready to be conquered, because Iran has neither the navy, nor the technology to withstand 1 day of US bombardment. I have family in the military airforce (Iran), and the pilots are scared shitless to even think they are going to fly against F-22's one day with Soviet and F-14 warplanes. They wont hesitate to do it, but they are the ones paying with their lives, not 2 generation mullahs sitting in Teheran speaking about the "evils of zionism", while they hold the Quaran over our 14 year olds head as they march off to some front never to return.

FFS be reasonable. Peace by talking with both sides, having a preference for none other than your own peoples itnerest.

RE: Daryush

You cant expect the world to take a government like the IRI seriously when it speaks about Death to America and Israel, and Little Satan England in its OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT SPEECHES! If you think the world hates Bus, guess what, our leaders are almost equally as hated. And as America is hated because of Bush, Iran is hated because of the IRI. This is not being moderate, Israel does see us as a threat, why? Because we would too! How much hatred do we not have for saddam not because of the war, but because he supported the MEK! Proxy cold war engagement with other countries is the worst thing one could do, especially with a paranoid state like Israel were most people are waiting for Iranian bombs to start the "Second Holocaust". Ive talked to Israelis, a friend of mine works in Tel Aviv (Iranian), and people there are SERIOUSLY scared about this regime. We would too if we were in their place. (No im not jewish, nor am I a part of ZOG lol), so see the issue from both sides.

So by your logic, its ok that we officially accept flag burning, death calling and threatinig against other countries, but its not ok when other countries do it against us. Iranians need to seriously wake up.

Want to help the palestinians? Change your own country, have a moderate, reasonable foreign policy (and a sensible local policy granting a referendum for your own people ffs!) where you trade, talk and be friends with all countries, hostilities and entangling alliances with none, and let your country mediate in the conflict as an outsider because Iranians are outsiders!! Both parties say we are, what more do you need to hear? A big sign saying "Leave us the F alone?" The arabs dont want us in this conflicts, the jews dont want us in this conflict!!

Its funny Iranians point the finger for the EU and the US for going around the world and starting wars and supporting sides in conflicts to spread their definition of good, when we do it by supporting militant groups, its because "the palestinians are suffering".

Dont be a hypocrite, if you want war and conquest, be ready to be conquered, because Iran has neither the navy, nor the technology to withstand 1 day of US bombardment. I have family in the military airforce (Iran), and the pilots are scared shitless to even think they are going to fly against F-22's one day with Soviet and F-14 warplanes. They wont hesitate to do it, but they are the ones paying with their lives, not 2 generation mullahs sitting in Teheran speaking about the "evils of zionism", while they hold the Quaran over our 14 year olds head as they march off to some front never to return.

FFS be reasonable. Peace by talking with both sides, having a preference for none other than your own peoples itnerest.

Ben Medad khodkari

1-Iran doesn't pay money to Hamas or Palestinians. Once they did when the Hamas won democratically and the world put a sanction on them.
2-That 83 billion is what they openly say, the cost of the US technological and militaristic transfer is not included in that. Remeber every bomb that Israel throws to all her neighbors are several million each. Do you really think a Zionist Jew would pay for that? If left to them then they would make peace to the world not to pay a penny for anything other than their families!
As mentioned in this site, Iran is in the region, what is US? in American continent? what the hell is going on with you sell out? You are so freaking scared or brain washed that can't ever, ever imagine your masters as wrong. Seh nakonin baba. eh.

The difference is between HUMANS and NON-HUMANS

Mr Ben
The reason Iranians should voice out concern about the strangulation of a nation (Palestine) which has been occupied since 1940s and their indigenous people being treated like animals by bunch of blood suckers is that we are "HUMANS". As human beings when we see others in pain and distress we go to their help, rescue, relief, and comfort. Otherwise Iranians would be like those blood suckes called "zionists".

Exactly!!!

David ET....your post is right on target. The regime cares only about themselves, and specifically, their Swiss bank accounts.

I am so sick and tired of hearing all of this nonsense about a so-called country that was never a country to begin with.

It's a case Typical Iranian mentality.......kiss the ass of the khareji (in this case, Arabs, as usual) and let your own people suffer.

Great article, Ben.

Can you send me an application to FPZCTOW? Does it pay more than the $75 million club? How about the benefits? Do they have dental?

Re: Madai, Jahan Parvar - In What Countru Do you Live?

You two are talking as you live in Iran?
Get a grip!
You live in the United State of America and the Support of Israel by our government (USA mind you) has cost us live, treasure, prestige and it has created millions of enemies.
Wake up and smell the stink!

Thank Jahan-Parvar aziz :)

Maybe you could get rid of that chicken too ;)

I agree with Mr. Madadi

Dear Mr. Madadi,

I agree with you. I think that the palenstinian question has been politicized beyond all proportions. It is a really tangential issue with respect to Iran's national interests and is totally irrelevant when it comes to the Iranian diaspora.

As far as I can see, the Iranian involvement is this question has actually made things worse for all parties "directly" involved. May be Iranians are better off keeping out of what is really none of their business.

I agree with Mr. Madadi

Dear Mr. Madadi,

I agree with you. I think that the palenstinian question has been politicized beyond all proportions. It is a really tangential issue with respect to Iran's national interests and is totally irrelevant when it comes to the Iranian diaspora.

As far as I can see, the Iranian involvement is this question has actually made things worse for all parties "directly" involved. May be Iranians are better off keeping out of what is really none of their business.

I agree with Mr. Madadi

Dear Mr. Madadi,

I agree with you. I think that the palenstinian question has been politicized beyond all proportions. It is a really tangential issue with respect to Iran's national interests and is totally irrelevant when it comes to the Iranian diaspora.

As far as I can see, the Iranian involvement is this question has actually made things worse for all parties "directly" involved. May be Iranians are better off keeping out of what is really none of their business.

Re: Qute

I agree, it depends on how you interpret what is good and bad. I say that Iranians have an Iranian government, though the government is not a democratic one. And if we take into consideration Iran's natural riches, human resources, historic and geo-political conditions, they should have been doing far better than they are doing now. So, Iran, compaed to its potential is far worse off than Palestine compared to its potential, though this is also something relative. But all I am/was saying is that why shouldn't we care first for our own? Even Arab Iranians aren't doing well .They are not happy about the Iranian government, so can you say they are under Iranian occupation? The Iranian government shall fix the problems of the Iranian citizens first, then maybe think about helping others, but by giving arms to groups labelled as terorist organisations Iran is not helping the cause of the Palestinians.

Re: Yek Kalam Ham As Mother Aroos .....

My friend:

Scare tactics may freighten others but we have been through enough not to be moved by your nonsense scare tactic.

Demographics and Iran's

Demographics and Iran's imperial design
By Spengler

Aging populations will cause severe discomfort in the United States and extreme pain in Japan and Europe by mid-century. But the same trends will devastate the frail economies of the Islamic world, and likely plunge many countries into social chaos.

By 2050, elderly dependents will comprise nearly a third of the population of some Muslim nations, notably Iran - converging on America's dependency ratio at mid-century. But it is one thing to face such a problem with America's per capita gross domestic product (GDP) of $40,000, and quite another to face it with Iran's per capita GDP of $7,000 - especially given that Iran will stop exporting oil before the population crisis hits.

The industrial nations face the prospective failure of their pension systems. But what will happen to countries that have no pension system, where traditional society assumes the care of the aged and infirm? In these cases it is traditional society that will break

down, horribly and irretrievably so. Below, I will review the relevant numbers.

In a recent essay, I argued that declining Muslim population growth rates give the Islamists just one generation in which to strike out for their goal of global theocracy (The demographics of radical Islam, August 23). Muslim birth rates are collapsing as literacy rises, that is, as the modern world intrudes upon traditional society. Islamic traditional society is so fragile that it crumbles as soon as women learn to read...Read the rest at below link:

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI13Ak01....

To Ben

You said:
"Why do I need to feel so sorry for others while my own kind inside Iran have a much worse fate than Palestinians"
Your ignorance is of epic proportions.
You don't have to feel sorry for Palestinians but if you actually believe that Iranians have much worse fate than Palestinians you neither know anything about what is going on in Palestine nor do you have any clue of what is going on in Iran.
Some obvious differences which you totally ignore:
Iran is not under foreign occupation like Palestine is.
Iranians do not have to go through checkpoints manned by foreign soldiers when they travel around Iran. Freedom of movement is not restricted in Iran like it is in Palestine.
Iranians can get a passport from their own government and travel abroad. Palestinians have to get permission from a foreign country to do so and permission in rarely granted.
Iranians are not subjected to daily aerial bombardment by fighter jets. Palestinians are.
The leading cause of violent death among Palestinian children is an Israeli bullet to the head (according to B'Selem, an Israeli human rights organization. Can you say the same thing about Iran?
It is rather sickening that your hatred for Palestinians should manifest itself in such absurd arguments. If you don't have an intelligent and evidence based parallel to draw between Iran and Palestine, don't say anything at all.

The People of Middle East and the United States are in Need of a

People of Middle East and United State are in need of a resolution for the Palestinian situations. Palestinian issue is being used and abused by many regimes and countries.

We should not confuse the Palestinian issue with Iranian regime or Arab regimes, etc.

We should not confuse what's to be done for the betterment of Iranian people with the Palestinian issue.

The recent closing of Gaza strip opened the eyes of world to the plight of Palestinian people. We were used to see some masked men with their guns representing Palestinians. But when the wall between Egypt and Gaza broke down we saw the real face of Palestinians. Young and old, brown, black and white. Palestinians were portrayed as they really were. They were in search food, medicine, fuel, goats, the basic neccessities of life that all other people in the world take for granted.

Palestinian lands has been occupied for 60 years. Millions of them live as refugees with no rights, no jobs, no future living on hand outs by the United Nation agencies. Israel is occupying more and more of their land.

What's to be done?
The same solution that was used to free the black people of South Africa. South Africa had the same sytem of Israel today. European settlers had pushed the native residents of South Africa from their land and had kept them in a state of Aparthied, meaning separated and without any rights.
Native black were fighting back. Just like Palestinians.
The world community got together and boycut the white government of South Africa and eventually they had give in to will of the world community and abolish Apartheid.
The same solution could apply for Palestinian cause too.

Our (USA) foreign policy has been influenced by the occupation of Palestinian land by Israelies. We give Israel more than 3 billion dollars (our taxes) a year to "protect" herself.

Because of our support for Israel more than 1.3 billion moslems in the world have turned against us. When we travel overseas we are afraid to say we are Americans (specially if we have light skin), we introduce ourselves as Canadian, British, etc.
Why?
Because we are afraid to be harmed or kidnapped by terrorists.

We (United States) went to war with Iraq because our foreign policy is influence by the Israeli Lobby. This is not a conspiracy theory. The Israeli Lobby's activities is well documented and is available online. Do a little search on Google and you will find it.

By solving the Palestinian issue the terrorist will lose one of their most important recruiting weapons. The will not be able to abuse the Palestinian issue to misrepresent the moslems in the world

We as Americans who have migrated to United States are being humilated by the media in this country.
This is not fair. If the Palestinan issue get resolved there wont be so much misrepresentations of Middle Easterns in United States.
We owe this to our children who are born here and we owe it to the next generation.

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Re: about US aid to Israel

I found a website which is openly against US help to Israel, and openly pro-Arab. I am not an expert on this but as far as I know the US gives aid not just to Israel but also to Egypt, Jordan and many other countries. The US gives Israel more because they are much closer friends and allies and have historically been so. Of course there is also the lobbying of American Jews and also the Christian Evangelicals of the US who are very numerous and extremely powerful.

Anyway, this website (against US help to Israel) has published the folliwng, as I am quoting:

"Unquestionably, Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of
U.S. aid since World War II ... An Oct. 27, 2000 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report,
using available and verifiable numbers, gives cumulative aid to
Israel from 1949 through FY 2000 (which ended Sept. 30, 2000) at
$81.38 billion."

The website is Washington Report on Middle East and it is openly pro-Palestinian: //www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2001/0101015...

Saying that the US gives Israel $500 BILLION per year is not to be taken seriously, but the US (unlike IRAN) acknowledges and publishes all this. So, US aid to Israel from 49 until 2000 was a cumulated $80-90 billion. The US has already spent far more than this in Iraq since the invasion.

Bored Iranian dude

It’s not Iran that “doesn’t” want to be friends with everyone. If you truly interested I would suggest going and find out for how many times Iran has raised her hand for friendship to the west including Israel. The problem is not Iran, it’s the fact that the West wants a Yes man in the Middle East, and Iran has not agreed to that. Israel and her administrations many times have talked about the preemptive strike against Iran, long before Ahmadinejad. It’s not that Iran doesn’t want to be a successful country, economically and politically, it’s that the west sees that dangerous and doesn’t want Iran to succeed, since for the first time in the recent history, Iran is using 1/50 of her power to show what it’s made of if acts semi independently. And we see how the west is frightened of a powerful and regionally important Iran, besides all the propaganda that is against them. It’s a complicated issue, but politicians and Israelis themselves know that Iran is not the threat, but an independent nation that wants credit if does something for the sake of the west or US. The US and Israel are afraid to give Iran recognition, since they know that if Iran is economically successful, there is nothing to stop them.
Iran has already, without any western assistance, accomplished a great deal of technological and scientific advances. Now could you imagine Iran with the west together, without sanctions? I would say that would be great for the world, yet there are politicians (AIPAC based, mostly) that their testosterones don’t let them decide with their brain. I would suggest you investigate that yourself by reading unbiased media. If sanctions removed, Iran will be more than happy to join the “international” community and be a part of the peace, as it has already without any credit given. Plus with a better economy and lack of an enemy, the people of Iran can adjust their system to reform and take care of “business” independently. Is the west ready for Iran? I would say research your answer and let us know!

the regime "cares" a/b palestine only to spite america

dude if the regime cared so much about palestine, they would not be sending $150 mill a year to hamas or hezbollah instead they would be funneling in that money to charities and the peace process (which is the only rational solution okay) and seriously while palestine is a great cause of concern, there are Muslims and non-Muslims all across the globe being persecuted....where is the opposition?

RE: anonymoussdsfd

No Israel does not want to dominate Iran, it just wants to be left alone. Why doesnt israel speak of putting sanctions on Saudi Arabia? Be moderate, act cool, talk with everyone, and be friends with everyone, trade with everyone, even Israel. No other country has the right to go into another country and tell people how to live, be it Israel or South-Africa, the people there must solve their own problems, be it war and killing. Bush sanctioned and intervened in Iraq, you dont support that do you? Then why do you support IRI going into Lebanon and Palestine with their revolutionary guard, arming and training militant groups with our tax money? Would you like it if other countries did that against small militant groups against Iran? What if Israel gave long range missile capability to the MEK? The Marxist Kurd movements? The Jundullah? Would you have liked that? Iranians burn Israels flag, when they burn ours, we whimp and cry. Grow up.

Because Israel wants to dominate Iran

Iran did the MORALLY RIGHT THING by opposing Apartheid South Africa -- and Apartheid Israel is no different. THey are racist nazis and everyone should oppose them, including the Iranians. It is a sign of HONOR that the regime is doing so -- too bad the US has allowed its values to be compromised by aiding and abetting a racist expansionist apartheid state like ISrael.

And, Iran's opposition to Israel is STRATETIGALLY right too.

Israel wants to create "Greater Israel" and they see Iran as the largest obstacle to dominating the Mideast and subjugating all impure NOn-Jews.

This is what the real conflict is about - not the Palestinians per se.

But Iran

Let's be realistic

Besides talk and (justified) little help here and there, no other "support" for Palestinians are receiving from IRI. That’s different than Hezbollah, and I can talk about that if you wish.
Now let's look at the support from US to Israel. I worked as a teacher in the ghettos of Chicago and I can tell you that with about a million or less (dollars) most of these kids and their problems would be solved. Instead US have diverted that money to the Israeli kids, who receive huge benefits (no figures are allowed to be published, but estimated to be more than 500 billion a year-some years less or more-, including military equipment) while American kids suffer.
Libraries, Hospitals, Museums, Monuments, Health Care for citizens, education is mostly founded by the US tax payer to the Israelis. Not to mention the weapons and hard cash for the government as "Assistance" to the Zionist state.
Not to mention the American lives and image that has been put there for the Zionists, and still going on.
The AIPAC Zionist lobby is so powerful that you can see the trace of them in many media and politicians and finally Wars and bloodshed.
Take a close look at those above and investigate for yourself to see whether you should write this piece to complain about a "support" for Palestinians from IRI or Israeli from US.
IRI has more Rights to support the Palestinian cause, since it's directly related to the regional issue, while American, in reality, have absolutely no Right. It's not their region, although it's been perceived as it is, but it's not. So take your complaint to your politicians in where you live rather than hitting the stone on your head for the sake of Israelis!

RE: BEHROOZ

He was not dividing Iran at all, Iran consists of ARAB IRANIANS, of PERSIAN IRANIANS, of TURKMEN IRANIANS and so on. Because Ben says that we should use our money, resources and politics to aid to OUR people instead of sending them to aid militant groups has nothing to do in "dividing" anyone. Its the truth that needs to be heard!

Our transformation will only help Palestians

Emotions are widespread here.

Iran First. Our foundation needs a complete rebuild. Let’s for few decades only concentrate on cleaning on own home. We do not need enemies. Let’s bring the best to Iran with reviving our Iranian culture. Let’s establish secular democracy and freedom and honoring human rights. Let’s eliminate our poverty. Let’s establish the best schooling and university system and the best health care system for our people. Let’s modernize Iran with establishing a powerful independent judiciary system.

Out motto must be “Iran is land of wisdom and Justice”

Our transformation will also help Palestians and others.

Rose o Rose o Rose...........

When did any body say that we do not care about any one else but Palestinians or Moslems. and any way what has religion got to do with it.

For your information I am a Zartoshty. But I refuse to sit quiet in face of the injustice genocide and ethnic cleansing, even if it is being applied to my enemies

Get a life mate