Jahanshah Javid

If I had to choose between a liar and someone who doesn't...

You say that soon there will only be 100 "real" people writing here.  Let me say that I would rather read the comments from 100 real people who think enough about what they want to say to be truthful than a thousand liars.

I admit that I don't know enough about Iranians, and liars can't teach me.

Another Suggestion

Perhaps you can change the "News" tab to "Iran News" tab.  I personally go there to read the latest news about Iran.  Instead, all I see are the spamming of "Shah Gholllam" (f/k/a smhb, Nur, Covennat, etc...) from nutsy cookoo blogs and sites talking about the Israeli / Plestinian conflict.  My suggestion is to limit the news tab to news about Iran.

In the alternative, I suggest that you limit the number of news contributions a day per user, like you do with blogs.  This way, the likes of "Shah Ghollam" cannot spam the site like they do today. 

Foaad's explanation is logical. I am sorry for my hasty reaction

This crap was posted "Anonymously" on my latest blog, two days after the ANON comment feature was disabled, but Foaad's explanation is logical, and I am sorry for my hasty reaction.

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Re: again?

by badbadek (not verified) on Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:43 AM PDT

Na, you see I have a hard on for JJ and we go way back ... you may say we have an understanding!

همون تور که خودت گفتی ... اگر وقت کردی یک قر نازی برای  من بده اگر خوشم آمد خبردارمیشی  

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Faramarz, I was laughing about your choice of avatar. Very clever!

Loved Tarzan's enthusiastic support too!

REVEALD OR NOT

that's the question ?

I'm 51 and my dad is 81;  And haven't been to Iran for almost 30 yrs... am I going back ? heck if I know ?But for as long as IR has to rule my country ,I'm not going home so I don't have any fear or negative taught on the issue.

thanks jj or whom ever came with this idea keep the good site running.  maziar

Call of the Wild

Very Funny J.J.

But seriously, "Tarzan's Call of the Wild" has a very special meaning for me. It is the call to mobilize and get everyone behind a cause, as is the case with your posting.

When I was a kid growing up in Abbasabad neighborhood of Tehran, in pre-revolution days, Tarzan was on TV every Friday afternoon at 4 PM. There was a teenage kid in our neighborhood, a few years older than the rest of us. His name was Nader. During the 3 months of summer, Nader was either playing soccer on the street (with us), or on the rooftop of their 3-story apartment building. Every Friday afternoon, a couple of minutes before 4 PM, Nader was on the roof, screaming from the top of his lung, and doing his best imitation of the "Tarzan Call of the Wild!" That was a call to us to get ready for Tarzan!

All the neighborhood kids knew that Tarzan will be on in a few minutes. That was a call to mobilize!

Nader Jaan, wherever you are in this world, I love you man!

ps

what about the quizzes?

Faramarz

Tokhme sag.... :o))))

Good news folks! The magic is working already! /khar, mpd

I can attest to it.

Already people I've never seen before in my entire life are popping up registered and telling me everything that's been wrong with me for the past two years...

probably they've told me before under twenty different fishie names.

This is gonna get reeeeeeeeeal good reeeeeeeeal soon...

khar, mpd, you were worried about things getting too tame? You're gonna see some knock down drag out down and dirty fights here like you  aint NEVER seen before..

and no matter how many times they get flagged..

guess who's not gonna delete 'em?

lol

Dear JJ

A very timely move.

If ever you want to reinstitute the anonymous comments, please do ask an expert for some style advice about the avatar first. You know where to find me.

Too Funny SAM...

Hopefully your neighbor won’t wise up anytime soon and apply wireless security WEP or WPA on their wireless router. I hate not to have you on this site :o))

BTW: You can’t really limit IP since all IP leases from the ISP are assigned Dynamically and they can be release and renewed on ones router at will by the user. Perhaps You can limit the IP range, than, you have to exclude access on thousands/millions of IP address depending on the class they belong to A, B, C or classless. Even if they could I don’t think any site admin would want to that limiting access to their site.

All, 

Sometimes I think the dictatorship is in our blood! We are too quick to ask for limiting this and/or limiting that, be careful what you ask for you may just get that! Hokoomat Eslaami Iran is just that....

Good move JJ

This will put some limitation on trollers around here. Iranian.com was a good site, now it's even better.

Oh, Faramarz, your avatar...

toooo fuuuunnyyy.......

hahahaha

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(you inspired me. i had this image in my cache...left over from when i wanted to write a blog insisting the goldfish be subject to more stringent moderation standards than reg users..piranhas as i called this type of goldfish..i will keep it up for today to honor the celebration...  :oP    )

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what about the quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzzzzessssssssss?

I am on-board

Dear J.J.

I am totally on-board with the program and here is how I really feel about it.

Moment Mohammad jaan ... there can't be a limitation on IP.

Me and my good neighbor are both using the same internet (he is paying and I am enjoying).

Besides, in some homes there are more than one user (say JJ and his nephew).

There cannot be a limitation on the IP; there is no such thing anywhere in the internet, for above reasons.

Quick overview of nearly 2 years

Rosie ,you wrote: ".... discover this COLLECTIVELY through an ongoing process of trial and error that that is, in fact, the system which works best, rather than swallow whole that just because it's the most common one, it's the best, is an extraordinary achievemt. Especially in the Iranian context."

Like I said I am glad that jj and Iranian.com eventually came to this conclusion "throughout an ongoing process of trial and error" but what is more important is to learn from this lengthy and sometimes painful experience especially when such decisions can have public consequences which effect other people (many hurt feelings, disrespects, violation of other's rights etc that so many had to endure during this learning progress): is to learn from such experiences and past mistakes to avoid taking similar decision making approaches or we live our lives through cycles of wasteful trials just to face another error.

And indeed there is a very important place for trial and errors in life but not when they can be avoided.

We should not justify such errors as attempts not to "swallow whole that just because it's the most common" . In life Learning from experiences of others is smart and is not swallowing. 

Re-inventing the wheel is something we and as you put it "Especially in the Iranian context" we should learn to avoid.

Like I said I am glad the site made this leap although it nearly took two painful years.

But also let's not forget that this also took experiencing verbal abuse. violation of privacy and people's rights , and many 

blogs since the first days in Oct 2007 suggesting  EXACTLY what is now done in July 2009  //iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/protecting-iranian-com-cyber-comment-vandelism

Silent strikes: 

Oct 30, 2007 //iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/breaking-my-silence-words

and more Strikes 

Jan 2009:  //iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/please-do-not-feature-article

and many comments and discussions in between by those of us who refused and never did "get used to it" as jj deamnded back in October 2007.

In the real non online world such errors have much more costly consequences for "The People".

This is not about "told you so" but about "lets learn" and that is why I repeat again in different words :

More important than correcting errors is to learn from them to avoid future and sometimes costly ones and this  can not be achieved by sweeping them under the rug as if nothing happend in between (because much did) but to openly discuss them and to be BIG ENOUGH to openly acknowledge to ourselves and those who were effcted that we were wrong which can be an important step in the "lesson" . 

Regardless I am glad iranian.com is where it is now and I hope those valuable readers and contributors who left because of this "error" gradually come back.

moving on...

Peace 

Yes Q

Not only we should trace who leaves comments, but we should also get their complete name, address and date of birth and report it to the nearest IRI consulate...what a.....

You know what they say Q: you caan take a Person out of the Ministry of Intelligence, but you can't take the Ministry of Intelligence out of the person!

I have a suggestion...

to insure that the comments are intelligent have the poster solve 3rd degree algebraic equations   :-)

Foaad,

Don't you remember this & your comment last year?

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie-t/r-i-p-requiem-captcha-challenge

lol

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But what about the quiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzessssssssss?

We have to say goodbye to an Iranian.com institution

and I speak of the captcha math problems! With anonymous comments gone, we will not see them again!

No more of

12 - 7 = ?

I am for it.

Good idea JJ jaan.

I am one of the few who uses his real name and picture.

Later on, it will be appropriate to limit one registered name to one IP. 

Jahanshah Aziz,

This is your site and you can to do whatever necessary or that you feel is right. Now, having said that, this decision by the you and site admins is another Tisheh (chipping away) at the uniqueness of this site which attracted all of us in the first place. Please don’t turn this site in to another “McDonald" like site with Billions and Billions of blogs served. Thanks for all you do!

You"ll NEVER GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!

umm on second thought.....

never mind 

Rewritten...MPD/Q/J

Pristine:

MPD, although the Rahbar has already made a fatwa against it at today's Friday prayers, the discussion wiould NOT get pristine if people were limited to one identity (most two..). As you rightly say, I AM me and I AM real...and I have discussions which are..faaar..from pristoine..

and I think those who don't use their regular identity when they are confrontational or..lusty...or...poetic..or...preaching...if they were limited to one, they would find that they would do it.

In fact, the longer people stay here (or come and go in my case...) and the better people get to know each other the more down and dirty it seems to be getting. There was a lull for a little while but no more. The better people know each other, the more they can really go for the jugular. It makes it all much more interesting, and far from prisitne, to keep the identities stable. Really, I'm not really kidding.

But MY reason for wanting people to have one identity is EXACTLY the opposite of what JAHANSHAH said:  This is NOT about ideas, this is about HUMANS, INDIVIDUAL VOICES, within a global technology, a planetary mind if you will, that has enormous power if we harness it correctly AS RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS.

Well you've heard the schpiel before. I stand by it. I ALWAYS will. This is not a game. There's plenty of room for playing games, and lord knows I do (du-uh..) but as an INDIVIDUAL, a specific HUMAN with a VOICE.

Qumars: that's a TERRIBLE idea..I have no access to a school or work e-mail. I work at home. And if I did, I wouldn't want to mix up my work correspondence with my i.c. correspondence. That idea's unworkable.

Now as for the harem idea...

like I said..

polygyny at its best.

lol

I just wanted to say.. ps javid..

how good it feels to be here right on top of all four of my favorite men onsite all lined up llike to ducks in a row. And to see you all so loquacious, too.And getting on so swimmingly.

Imagine, been almost two full years now that we've all had to deal with each other, especially me

Jeez louise, is life real?

(Sorry Shazdeh, didn't mean you. I like you fine but I hardly know you...    ;o)

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.oh...sorry..jimz..you, too..you just...popped up while i was posting this. don't you understand you're both getting in my way?...this is polygyny at its best... but four's the limit.

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ps javid:

Jahanshah, this is insane:

As for people registering under multiple names, I see no harm in that. What's important is the ideas within the comments themselves, not who said them.

It's just like screaming out for new goldfish that you don't have to screen. Well...old habits are hard to break (as well we know).. Insanity being among them. 

David, put him down as schizophrenic on top of the first three.

Thanks JJ, less room for profanity

Iranian dot com enters a new epoch ,

javid Shah !!! javan shah !

Bund, Jimz Bund

I hate to brag about it, but: I TOLD YOU SO ;-o)

//iranian.com/main/blog/shazde-asdola-mirza/jj-jaan-lets-put-end-anon-comments

Registeration limit?

Thanks everyone for your comments. I'm glad a clear majority is in favor of comments by registered users only.

As for people registering under multiple names, I see no harm in that. What's important is the ideas within the comments themselves, not who said them.

The only thing to watch out for is abuse of privileges.

Here's a good example:

I don't know if you saw comments by "rainbowcountry" on this thread or not. He had posted two videos and asked why he was being deleted every time he mentions Israel.

I deleted his comments and blocked his account. This person, under various registered names, has been blocked a dozen times before. Initially he used to post videos about Jewish rabbis being pedophiles everywhere he could: in repeat blogs, in comments under off-topic articles...

His first blog with that video was fine. It's just that he felt he had to post it everywhere all the time. Then he started posting articles in his blogs about corrupt Jewish businessmen and other Jews with questionable reputations. I told him to please not to post articles in the blogs, but rather where they belong: in the news section.

So, Mr. RainbowCountry, the reason you are being deleted is not that you hate Israel and Jews. You can write blogs, post news items about whatever you want. But not everywhere, all the time.

I'm sure this guy will be back with a different registered name (unless we block his IP address). But it's not a big problem. He's an extreme case and in the past two years I don't remember anyone else being this problematic.

Should we insist on knowing who registered users are? I don't think so. We're never going to know who most people are on this site. And that's ok. We just want them to express themselves in a reasonable fashion so we can all benefit.

Good move

I concur with some of the people who say this does not solve the anonymous problem for sure.

One solution that some sites use is to simply not allow free-email services like Yahoo and Hotmail.

If people have to use real addresses from their work or school, then they can't just start another account at the dorp of a hat. But we should wait to see if it's going to be a real problem first. It will be more inconvinient to have to constantly log in and log out.

One must never discount the power of laziness as a motivating factor for honesty!

MPD: Interesting comment:
One per IP is just ridiculous; husbands and wife hardly ever have the same opinion about anything. Two per IP sound reasonable; the hell with the children, iraniandotcom is not suitable for children anyway.

Aren't you forgetting about people living in communal situations, unorthodox living arrangements and good old middle eastern Harems? :)

Unwanted consequences

I’m all for this new approach, however I want to say this decision may result in unwanted consequences, in pushing this website to become too pristine.  I believe two things will happen; but first of all there only a limited number of people who are TRULY real users, meaning they use their real FULL NAME, their real PICTURE for their avatar, and a real BIO, regardless of how brief it is, for example Jahanshah Javid, Bio: Publisher, iranian.com.  I’ve always estimated these people to be around 50.  These people are verifiable therefore are “real”.  The rest of us are anonymous, for example ‘rosie is roxy is roshan’ is an anonymous person, although I have met her in person, and the reason she is anonymous is because she is not using her real name or her real picture, BUT she has a brief Bio that tells us her real name and address, but no photo, but if you follow her around sooner or later you will find her photo also, so I think I’ll consider her a “real” person also.

So, what does all of this has to do with unwanted consequences, as a real person these people will behave in a civilized manner all the time, or most of them, but other anonymous people can not, and will not, because they have an anonymous registered user character that they are sucked with, so even though they are anonymous if they want to behave out of line for that character they will go and start another registered name, one for their bad mood, one for when they want to be anti Semitic, one for when they want to be racist, one for when they have good sex, and so on.  You see, they could do all of that before under anonymous un-registered users by sending a comment under whatever name they wanted and get it over with, but now they can’t, so they go and get an email address and register, and most likely soon abandon their register name one whatever it was that they wanted to get it over with.  And so soon we will see the list of the registered users will grow drastically.

To prevent this from happening, and for other reasons, the next step will be to limit the number of registered users per IP.  One per IP is just ridiculous; husbands and wife hardly ever have the same opinion about anything.  Two per IP sound reasonable; the hell with the children, iraniandotcom is not suitable for children anyway.  But whatever that final number is, there will be a limited number of registered users per IP, sooner or later, if this trend continues.  So then, this website will become more pristine; we will watch every word we say, and every argument we make.  We will not go out of line, we will not cuss, we will be prepared to prove everything we say, and so on, and we won’t dare to take a chance, so we will wither, and we will lose our gusto.  And the comments will get smaller and smaller, and the number of comments will become less and less, only from about 100 regular registered users.