shahanshahesmail

shahanshahesmail

you are making a lot of incorrect assumption.

• You think all those opposed to Islam are Monarchists. I am not.
• You think we are banished never to go back. Well I have news for you. I am not banished nor are most of us. We can go back as many people do as much as we want. The reason so many of us live away is because of Islamic rule. Because we don't want to live under the barbaric rules. 
• Worse than IRI? The only one worse is Saudi not Turkey or even Syria.
• Many of us don't like Islam and it has nothing to do with being thrown out. It has everything to do with Islam being a foreign imposed religion. It has to do with the 1400 year long history. It has to do with that we are smarter and know what is harming Iran.  I watched what Islamists do. From suicide bombing to hostage taking to stoning women to raping men. No thanks Islam is not for me. I don't like any of that! T

Now you can remain in yous Islamic delusion. Be my guest. I am glad you live in the UK. After what Britain has done to Iran I hope it gets over run by Islamists. They deserve it!

VPK

PS,

I opposed this stuff long before the revolution. 

kudos

rosie and shahenshahesmail, i read your exchanges here. it is bringing hope. i second rosie, don't let people derail this or take you off focus. i for one will stay away.

with respect

No, I'll wait to see what you write tomorrow.

Thanks. Nighty night.

ill reply in detail

ill reply in detail tommorow , for now i have to sleep to wake up early for work. peace be upon you. I enjoyed the talk.

if u have any other questions post it and ill reply tommorow. 

I would love it,

but listen Esmail, you know that people get informed by e-mail when there are new posts on threads they've posted on. So people are probably already reading this. I don't want you to get distracted by people who don't want you to focus while you're telling your story to me. Okay? So ignore anyone who tries to derail you. Stay focussed on me and anyone else who wants to hear you and ask you real questions. 

I also agree that my views

I also agree that my views arent a majority among iranians OUTSIDE iran . this has many reasons , its mostly due to the hate the shahists have to islam stemming from the fact it was islam that banished them from iran never to return , so in turn they have made it their sworn duty to spread scorn to islam.

This doesnt go to say that the IRI doesnt have any problems it has alot of problems , but hardly revolutionary problems. Saudi arabia , jordan , syria and even turkey the 3 time military dictatorship are worse than iran , reasons for all of them range in worse freedom to worse record of independance , but yet you never see expats among those communities expressing hate towards islam do you? this hate towards islam started by those who were forcefully thrown out of iran and has developed since . 

as you wish then I have

as you wish then

I have family in the UK , I live with them. I wasnt always a supporter of khomeini or the islamic republic , I identified myself as muslim but it didnt go past that stage for a time.

I couldnt give a damn about a person called khomeini , khamenei , motahari , allahi , hemmat , chamran or whatever.

what changed me was my perceptions of reality , culture and islam , I also visit iran regularly , plan to go this year , but i havent been since 2008.

its a long story why i went from secular to islamic state supporter. want me to summarize? 

No, not really. I've never been to Iran and

as you know you're not exactly part of a majority among expats, and especially not here. Here a lot of people would like to think that people like you don't exist and that almost all the Greens would like to overthrow the ISLAMIC Republic tomorrow. You know how they are.

Well, actually I did know one Iranian similar to you in the sense that he was a very devout conservative Muslim and hadn't been in in the US for too long. But he wanted MASSIVE social freedoms. MASSIVE. I highly doubt that he would've used an avatar of Khomeini.

So tell me, do you live in Iran or travel back and forth? I thought I remembered you saying you live outside Iran.

why so interested ? have u

why so interested ? have u never met a person with views like mine?

Okay, here, so I just asked you a couple of questions, Esmail,

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by Was Rosie on Sun May 02, 2010 04:58 PM PDT

to your first blog, okay?

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by Was Rosie on Sun May 02, 2010 04:56 PM PDT

there are people in between the 'typical' Iranians from the farthest corners of Azerbaijan to Balochistan and the North Tehranis who 'abstained from voting but threw themselves in to the 'green' circle to take advantage of the situation'. Those are the ones you were talking about in your blog right? But surely there are plenty of others in-between who want economic AND social/cultural change.

Are you from Bandar Abbas? Do you live there? Travel there?

by shahanshahesmail on Sun May 02, 2010 04:33 PM PDT

I can reply with what about the people from bandar abbas who voted mousavi? they are devoted fanatically to islam yet I know alot who voted mousavi.

those who are totally against the nezam , who did not vote mousavi but rather abstained from voting but threw themselves into the "green" circle to take advantage of the situation , like you said , are mainly consisted of north tehran who like one guy in a pic i saw was wearing a versace underwear , nice tan , good physique , top of the line clothes , that is not your typical iranian from the farest corners of azerbaijan to the southeast corners of balochistan , whether voted mousavi or ahmadinejad. 

The north tehrani should choose where their loyalties stand ,if they prefer the western liberal way of life where "nothing is sacred" , then by all means they can move to those countries , which is what some have done . I prefer a world of law , culture , rules and limits , nothing is unlimited. 

The delusioanl Islamists

   First of all, as an independent Iranian/Persian nationalist, I would like to say that the Islamists are a sad, paranoid bunch that most of the Iranian people hate both in Iran and abroad.

Second, these baffons call anyone who disagrees or talks about the crimes committed by the ISLAMIC REGIME towards the Iranian people as "Exiled shahis", like it would take 30 plus years for the shahis to travel out of the country (Were they hiding in cares all this time?), and I'm sure the 100 thousands of Iranians immigrating to Europe and America ever year are exiled shahis too, right? Further more, even though I'm not a shahi I would support him and any other nationalistic, democratic, secular government than the Islamic leache of a government we have today, cause he was a 100, no, no wait, a 1000 times better than these mullahs who have brought nothing but suffering and shame to the Iranian people.

Third, YOU ARE THE ONE WESTERNIZING/Americanizing IRAN AND IRANIANS by pushing them towards American/Western culture, and lifestyle through magazines and cable t.v (especially in Tehran), get the fact that Iranians don't want anything to do with Islamic culture nor teachings through your thick skull, NONE wants your backwards sharia law. Instead of teaching them Iranian/Persian culture, lifestyle, and hospitality you are trying to teach and glorify the history of our enemies to the youth and the Iranian populace, so of-cource no educated person would ever want to learn only about those things, and diff not glorify the slaughter and genocide of their ancestors. Btw, I'm totally against westernizing/Americanizing Iranians/Persians, I believe we should base our society on Iranian/Persian culture, lifestyle, identity, and mentality, because modernization doesn't equal westernization nor Americanization, even the Pahlavi dynasty of the shah was trying to do this to a degree, though I believe that the government should be more nationalistic in nature when it comes to these cultural issues.

kornesh

kha... malan dar jahan sanaat garand.    Imam komeini.      Maziar

iranvatanam aka esmail!!!

Judging by your hostile response to my comment, you are the one who is angry, frustrated, irrational negative thinker, a bit like....your rahbar khamenei or "president select", ahmadinezhad:)

and yea, you are right on one thing, as an Iranian born and bred, my english is not that good, but I am working on it. Maybe one day I get a chance to travel to and live in London and then my english would be as good as yours and esmail's!!

esmail, god bless u

and your family...

Death to someone??

Fooladi, you seem pretty foolish.

I guess you can't even understand English. The interpretation was talking about enemies of the IRI or Islam at the broad perspective. Let them get so angry and frustrated, that they will end up choking and killing themselves with such anger.

This doesn't intend that they want to kill people, this just says that enemies talk and talk, and eventually frustrate themselves with all the negative thinking, talking, and mentality. The negative behavior they exert on themselves everyday, will eventually harm themselves, not the IRI, nor Islam, with all their ranting. That was Khomeini's interpretation.

While enemies talk, we will continue to progress.

esmail

wow , you are wishing someone death just he is being "angry at us" (really the poor guy just dared to disagree with you!!) ??!! But what should be expect from an avid fan of the eslamic regime?

Fair

How beautifully put, my smart compatriot! Double standards, unparalleled hypocracy, uber porrooee, international propaganda, murder and mayhem sanctioned by Allah, executions of children, rape of men and women, historical theft of unparalleled proportions (the kind that would make the century-long theft of the British seem petty), institutionalized torture, I can go on and on...

That's how the IRI tumor survives.

IRI represents the IRGC, not Iran

Why do you

..delete people's posts if they challenge and disprove your warped logic? 

Islam at its best....

tweet, kharmagas

so good to see you here!

kharmagas: la'nati how could you have doubted me?!

tweet: i only occasionally see you around, but every time we cross paths, it is a delight :)

Peace

esmail

i agree with fair: you should have toned it down in the first place! you can't complain about insults too much if you started with such a strong bash :)

jamshid

yes i did respond, and i agreed.

as for the car analogy - really, you could have tried a little harder! - look at it this way: you may buy a defective car that will get you where you want to go or part of the way. it is still a success in some respects.

now, the question also arises: when you were buying the car, who was the primary responsible party for ensuring that you bought the right car?

Don't have a double standard

You are the one who came here, lashing out at all the "exiled diaspora padeshahis who know nothing about Iran and embrace American culture".  If you want respect, give respect.

Oh, I forgot, you follow the donkey who gave himself the God given right to call najes and haram to whoever he wanted, but if someone wrote a book that insulted his prophet in some other country, he said it is the duty of every muslim to kill that author.  So I guess it is ok to have a double standard in favor of the "az ma behtaroon".

Furthermore, the real angry person was your illiterate imam, who as I recall died shortly after "drinking poison".  Difference is, when he died, he took a few hundred thousand to die for his stupidity and treason first.  

You and your fellow followers of ignorance are the ones who know nothing about Iran.  So when you come here and insult a bunch of respectable Iranians and start bossing them around, you bet you will hear me say to hell with you.

-Fair

I might have indulged you

I might have indulged you with a response , but seeing as you wished me to hell and called me sick I wont be doing that.

be angry with us and die from that anger. 

To hell with your Imam

and roohash and you.  Who are you to tell anybody what the green movement wants and doesn't want, and what right any Iranian has to express themselves.  If an Iranian wants to burn that charlatan countryless idiot's picture it is none of your business, nor that of your islamic republic's.  Has it occured to you that maybe just maybe, this fraud anti Iranian imam of yours is not liked?

Iranians want freedom, not a repackaged liar islamic republic.  Mousavi and roohe imam are irrelevant to the future, they all belong to the past.  A very very very sick past to which sick people still seem to cling.

-Fair

Niloufar Parsi

You did not respond to my critisism of the word "popular" as applied to the revolution.

Do you agree that the popularity of that revolution was at least partially based on the defrauding of the people?

If a people are defrauded into buying a lemon brand of a car, and later this fraud is exposed, would they continue talking about how "popular" that car was?

No, if they consider the fraud illegitmate.

Yes, if they still consider it legitimate.

Now, you can do rest of the math yourself.

Lastly, Iran today IS a victim of foreign plots more than ever BECAUSE of the irresponsible behavior of the IRI and its incompetence in foreign policy.

Little Tweet

Having a discussion and voicing your opinion is a perfectly good thing to do. No one is under the delusion that they are "fighting" IRI by arguing with one of its most vocal supporters. As to what people do you are making some big over generalizations. When IRI supporters say something is is reasonable to expect a response isn't it.

Community service award

Niloufar deserves an award: now all you patriots can go home and tell your wife/boyfriend/cat that you fought IRI! (good for the ego) She's also keeping y'all from watching your favorite LA based satellite. That's good for the IQ :D

Niloufar damet garm!

Damet garm for your comment to that .... who has failed assembling his 100 men (him and 99 men to be accurate). Some of these "freedom fighters" don't understand that many of us don't care for them, not because IRI is good, but because they are worse than IRI. Niloufar, la'nati, I am starting to suspect that you have lots of courage and principle.

Peace :)

vildemose

a sell out is not cool. neither are you the way you misread and misrepresent my comment.

Peace

Popular

does not mean it is right. McDonald's burgers are popular over billions sold! Does it make it right? No. Mad cow and popular revolutions are not good for you.

The Iranian revolution was a fraud pushed on us by the stupidity of our generation. Now we have to reverse it. If it was so great why do we all live in the West?