An Open Question to Zion: Why HERE?

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rosie is roxy is roshan
by rosie is roxy is roshan
18-Jan-2009
 

Yesterday, following Zion’s blog announcing the ceasefire in Gaza, I asked Zion twice why she had chosen this forum to participate on, once on that same blog and once on a different blog. Hajminator replied to me, mistakenly thinking I was suggesting Zion should leave. I wish to repost Haj’s post to me followed by my reply to him for the forum as an open question to Zion.

Hajminator wrote me: Yes, Rosie,

Thanks to noiZ, I read two good books: The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World - Avi Shlaïm, and Holocaust is Over - Avraham Burg

By her presence, if one can better understand her intentions and that she can spark such reactions among Iranian.com bloggers. So let it be, let her be here and help us find something we wouldn't search for otherwise.

My reply to Haj (with minor editing changes):

To Haj re Zion, I would be the last person in the world to...

suggest Zion (or anyone else) leave. Over and over when people have asked me do you defend her I've said, not her ideology but her right to be here and be moderated completely equitably (as you know). Over and over I said, if you don't like what Zion says you have three choices: debate, ignore or defuse (you know post a funny video clip, that kiind of thing..).

The question I asked on this thread and her ceasefire blog, Why are you here Zion ,is to be taken 100% literally. It does NOT mean go away, it means Why are you HERE? She winds up dominating every single discussion on Gaza and she attributes agendas to people the way Girl Scouts sell cookies. So she dominates and agendaizes, so I would like to know her agenda, or more specifically the rationale for her choosing to execute it here.

The question was first articulated to me by another poster comparing my rationale for being here which is transparent (I am a Persophile) with hers which is inscrutable. Does Zion really think for instance that this site is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism. Does she not understand that the volatile polarized language here all the time about mullah-licking Ommati Hebolaahi is a "family thing" that ultimately reduces to the question of "By what means and within what time frame do you suggest the IRI be changed into a secular democracy?" And that only the most deluded paranoiacs do not know this deep inside?

Why do I suddenly bring this why here Zion issue up now? Well, first of all that goldfish struck a chord. Second of all that comment here yesterday of Zion's about "tribal primitivism" of the people on this thread reminded me of the utter contempt in which she holds many Iranians, and that ceasefire blog simply chilled me to the bone. Not one iota of compassion for human suffering, not one. ALL IT DID WAS IMPUTE AGENDAS AND GLOAT. I am still shocked by the coldness of the wording,. So what is the rationale behind our being chosen as the lucky beneficiaries of such lovely words and agend-"exposing"? Why here? Why i.c..?

At the same time, yes Haj, I know Zion is an excellent source and serves an important function here (although gone way overboard through other people's collusion in incessantly engaging her...) and can at times be stunningly compassionate, as in her comment o the thread of DK's video on Arab/Israeli reconciliation.

Anyway, for anyone who's reading this who thinks for a second Zion's rationale for being here is she is an Israeli agent of some sort is falling into the thralls of the Iranian National Disease: paranoia. If that woman is an Israeli agent I am the Twelfth Iman. She has done more on this site to inculcate disgust and repulsion for Israel than the massacres themselves, as well as to fan the flames of anti-Semitism from people and in places I'd never imagined possible. Flames I've gottne singed by myself, an innocent by-stander. That compassionate ceasefire blog sure helped. Way to go Zion.

Zion, when you are displaying this particular side of your personality: you spread anti-Semtism the way an eagle spreads its wings. proudly, sweepingly and.. .

with a bird brain.

So...why here, Zion, why here?

Whether you answer me or not, whether you even know why or not you're here, I continue to defend your right to stay and be moderated by exactly the same standards as anyone else, and will continue to get sh-t thrown into my face for it no doubt... and will continue to wipe it off as usual. and procede

Rosie .

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ADDENDUM: I DO NOT WISH TO FAN THE FLAMES OF DISCORD AND I AM SORRY IF I'VE OFFENDED YOU HERE, ZION, BUT FRANKLY I FOUND YOUR TONE AND LANGUAGE IN YOUR CEASEFIRE BLOG TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS SITE I HAVE READ MOST OFFENSIVE TO HUMAN COMPASSION AND DECENCY EVER. NOT ONE MENTION OF ONE CASUALTY, NOT ONE. SO MOCKING. I AM STILL REELING.

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Well then

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I shall let the discourse return to the topic at hand.

Adios!


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The post is

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"Gimme a break!"

The post was left on the thread but now you see "s***".

I just did not realize it was on the censor list. I wonder what other words are on the list? Hmmmmmmm

I am almost tempted to find out.:o)

Just for kicks I might start censoring myself. What can I say.....I am bored. :o) H*ll Ya!

True our views are similar on the Gaza/Israel subject.


rosie is roxy is roshan

Dear Free Spirit,

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1. Please repost the deleted post's content without using the poopoo word. If it was very long, pleasse summarize it and tell me. That would give me groudns for pursuing with j. more in future what I have on occasion recently suggested to him: that he reinstitue the capability previously avilable to all moderators to simply x out what they consider objectionable parts of otherwise acceptable posts.

2. Don't yetyet jump to conclusions. It is possible that j.has simply not seen the deletion. All deletions by moderators automatically go to him and he can reinstte them.

33.In any case, looking on the bright side, as I am aware that your views on this topic are in affinity with mine in many respects, I HEARTILY CONGRATULATE THE MODERATORS ON THEIR DILLIGENCE IN ATTEMPTING TO BE FAIR TO PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE.

Free, I'd rather see us over-moderated than them over-moderated. Think about it.

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OH1 NO NO NO NO WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT I THINK I JUST SAW THE POOP POST. THE VULGAR TERM FOR FECES WAS X'D OUT. SO THEY HAVE REINSTUTED THE PRACTIVE. VERY NICE!!

Free, I think that j and the team are right on the money here. In a sillly kind of social chat blog or one of j's stories or one of MPD's satires it is totally appropriate to use language like that freely but in a serious and eplosive thread like this one on such a crucial topic the moderators must be very careful to maintain the discourse within much mroe stringent parameters.

They are wise in this case.  And, I might add, THAT is an example of oding a SUPERB job!

Way to go, i.c.!


Free Spirit

How funny!

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My last post was moderated because I used the S word for poop. lol

Apparently it is not okay to use such a word.

But hey the powers that be can post all the ponographic stuff he wants on the website. How ironic!


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Dear Samsam

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Yes, I though it was you and I am very sorry about this misunderstanding. This character tried to imitate you and after all this was a  good thing to bring up the subject in this way, otherwise we would never know that anarchist caracter is only imitating you !! Don't forget that people tried it, a few times before too.

I could always send you an email to say this, but I'd preferred to bring it up right away, for the good reason that I was sure you would show up to speak about that loudly.

Again sorry for the misunderstanding. But don't get mad at me, you should only be mad at that person.


rosie is roxy is roshan

Dear Artificial Intelligence:

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Nice try, Artificial Intelligence, but Rosie doesn't lynch and everyonewho knows me knows it. I've been here a looooooooong time..in and out, but for a loooooong time. I guess we've missed each other so you are not familiar with the terrain.

Let me eplain it to you a little bit. I am known as a mediator. Regardless of my political convictions I very rarely take sides and mainly participate in political discussions as a mediator for all sides. I have done so for Ms. Zion over and over again.

Even as a non-Zionist on the Is/Pal issue, I DON'T question the impacts of the rockets, I DON'T impute Hamas leadership with pure and noble minds. I DON'T purport to know the situation on the ground in either Gaza or Israel, I know I'm not there...

so I'm no leader of no lynch mob.

And everybody knows it. Except it seems you.

(And the really sad and funny  thing AI, is that...Zion knows it too..)

So the "lynching" bit won't work here, Nice try, close but no cigar.

Movin galong, I am the person on this website who first and foremost (and far more persistently than Zion btw) has SUCCESSFULLY militated AGAINST the use of any and all comparisons of the actions of the Israels with ANYTHING to do with the Nazis. (Except unless with the most careful, empathetic, patient language possible, like...don't you see the resmeblances between the Wall and the Ghetto, don't you think there could be some trauma underlying this that caused this to surface in Israel..?)

So don't you worry your pretty li'l head. Zion doesn't need, and this website doesn't need Zion, to defend against using Nazi comparisons on the Israelis..

they have me!

And I am TOTALLY completely comfortable with my asking Zion why she's here. You see...I'm not Iranian either. And I'm Jewish. And I'm female. (yes, uh, she's a she). So I can say what half the people here were thinking when they read that blog:

WHY US? WHY US? WHY THIS WEBSITE? WHY DID SHE CHOOSE THIS IRANIAN WEBSITE TO TORMENT US WITH THIS TYPE OF BLOG?

I can do it without having to worry about being politically correct.

OH and one last thing Artificial, if you honestly think that it is humanly possible to participate in any discussion whatsoever on this website having anything even remotely to do with Gaza and IGNORE Zion...

yer outta touch AI. yer either outta touch with the website or yer outta touch with reality.


Free Spirit

Give me a break!

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Kayk.......whatever!

If you want to start an anti BS party......then start with yourself.

Jeez! Your posts are full of BS.

I can't believe  Zion or is it noiZ patting her back.

Well, it is certain that the s*** has hit the fan on this blog.


Kaykaavoos Mashangii

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 you know daa king .you  fine detaaaaaaaaaactive . i likiiiii i likiiii .

kapitan chummy chuum i promote you to majoooor vakil kalantary 10 .

booooyaaaahhhhhh    bro...join my anti bs party

 

 

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Hajminator

noiZ,

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my pleasure.


Zion

Thanks dear AI

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Greatly appreciated my friend, as always.

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Haji, that was actually good! lol.


Hajminator

Rozie,

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You see that what I said is the absolute truth? It suffices that noiZ clicks on a blog-link and paff the number of audiences and comments increases drastically.

noiZ, I posted a news about an Israeli soldier who said that all Israel did these 3 weeks was to build human bombs. There are no comments on the room, and the news is on the point to be pushed into the abyss. It's your last chance to go and do something their.


Kaykaavoos Mashangii

DDDDDp) yo yo lady nozy noisy

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yey chill out sammi boy aint mo.

sammi bro you broke my heart >>>>we was bros:::))) i likii i likkii nozy jikk jikki ladies. but leave sammie son alone .he aint as crazy as mooooooooo....if you no like sammie you aint 4for sure gonne luv moooo .

ghoood ghood ghoda .welcum bros to irooni nozy chicken village...big tongy small brainy.booooooyaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

down with ethnic fascism.time for  anarchy.one planet no rules

 

 

 

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Artificial Intelligence

Dear Zion

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This is a modern high tech lynching against you. You do not need to answer Rosie and please don't. Your post on the cease fire is perfect for this site. I just read some of Cameron's statements here and if he can make those statement without people asking him why he is here, you have every right to make yours without having to defend to someone who sees Hamas as a "necessary evil".

If people are dum enough to fall for Cameron or that De Javou blog with the Nazi pictures, than there is no reason for why Zion needs to defend his blogs.  If you don't like Zion or her blogs, don't read it.

 

 

 

 

 


rosie is roxy is roshan

YES MODERATORS SAM IS RIGHT! There must be NO

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

bias whatsoever. ABSOLUTELY EQUAL MODERATION STANDARDS FOR ALL.

I still suspect this is not always the case. We are human. We try our best to be fair but in this highly emotionally charged political environment it is VERY difficult, VERY difficult, not to allow biases to creep into the moderation.

You hve to be vigilant.
You have to be vigilnt.

 


Zion

desi

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As I said, no matter how much you feel you deserve to get the credit for it, I still hope you are wrong.

Accidentally I indeed feel quite honored too. But Thanks anyway, and kiss your kids for me.


Zion

Dear Sam

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No point my friend, I have already tried this:
//iranian.com/main/blog/zion/question-mr-...
This is evidently the official policy. They are said to be doing a "superb" job.
Take it easy. We both know such tactics come out of pure desperation.


rosie is roxy is roshan

Listen to Haj, Noiz, HE IS THE ONE IN THE FIRST POST

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WHO PRAISED YOUR FUNCTION IN BEING ON THIS WEBSITE.

Listen to me Noiz. I AM THE ONE WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONCILIATORY TO YOU AND WHO DEFENDED VIGOUROUSLY YOUR RIGHT TO BE HERE AND BE MODERATED FAIRLY

But on that ceasefire blog and in laughing at most of the people on the dk blog for "tribal primitivism" you have gone too far..

Listen to Jah.

Listen t me.

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There is a pathology in your thinking which is the outcome of the unresolveed traumas of our people over hundreds of years and especially since the 1940's. A weeakness, an inability to bear the too too painful knowledge of the truth of the human condition as it has been INFLICTED on us...which leads to..all kinds of psychic..twistings...and turnings...and defenses...and rationalizatios.. and abreactions...and projecctions..and displacements...

it is a neurotic worldview based on generations of institutionalized trauma, ESPECIALLY since world war II.

You can't even SEE what a piece of OBSCENE INHUMANE ETHICALLY BANKRUPT FILTH that ceasefire blog of yours is?

Zion...that's...

sick..

It's sick.

You need to look at it.

You have to.

Don't you want to be well?

Don't you want our people's wounds to HEAL?

Rosie


samsam1111

friggin unbelievable , moderators

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I drop by here and I truly mean wtf, These folks here address this dude as samsam WHICH IS NOT ME. but my comments get deleted when i expose the identity of many offending annonymous  commentators calling me nasty names .

desi stop refering to this blogger as samsam . He/She is not me .

and souri if you are refering to me too which sounds like it . you are absolutly wrong in your assesment .I am the one disappointed and this is my last communique with you if thats what you are insinuiating..

Shame on you moderators for letting this one sided charade to take place . is this a new technique ? what if I say who the real person behind zionist detector is? how about iranian reader? how about javad yasari? how about many other shady names? would that get published or the lynching is reserved for patriots ?

this is truly sick

Kaykavoos; no offence pal and thx for the comment in my blog pal... 

 


desi

You mean the 3rd world

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You mean the 3rd world tactics that dupefied us in Florida 4 years ago.  Whatever it takes Zion.  Whatever it takes.  I bid ye all a fare thee well.  I have 3 ten year olds in a backyard tent who want there smores now.

Incidentally:  You still haven't answered Rosie's question.  We're all so fascinated by you.  You should feel quite honored.  So much attention.  You know what they say even bad press is better than no press at all.  


Hajminator

Mehdi_Jan

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Is

Der Judenreich! Kriegsanstifter, kriegsverlanger! 

the good side of the coin?Agar-na to kheili ziad Mazloomi...

noiZ, thinks that it's not gramatically correct. I beg your pardon if it's not.


Zion

Well desi

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I'd rather believe that the Americans voted for their president fare and square in spite of such third world tactics. If you are convinced they were duped into this, I can only hope you are wrong.


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Kaykoosvaas Jaan

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You should stick to your last character!


rosie is roxy is roshan

Zion your so-called ceasefire (mean war-mongering) blog IS

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

a PICE OF MORAL FILTH AND ETHICAL EXCREMENT and I dare you or anyone to tell me otherwise. You announce a ceasefire after a thousand people have been killed and more maimed with "Sorry to disappoint you.." and all you do is gloat about other people's agendas...it is SICK and RIDDLED with moral bankruptcy and pathology.

The Alahoo Akbarr blog IS well-written. I stand by that. It's beautifully written. That's all I said. The blogger DID NOT CHANT Alahoo Akbar. In my blog ZIONAZIS about MY experiences in two demonstrations re Israel/Pal/Lebanon I said I DON'T CHANT EITHER. I did NOT chant we are all hezbollah the summer that disgusting putrid piece of FILTH of an IDF destroyed the ENTIRE infrastructure of a struggling country in THREE days that had taken THIRTY YEARS to rebuild, I did NOT chant we are all hezbollah. The Alahoo Akbar blogger DID NOT CHANT EITHER>

I DO NOT SUPPORT HEZBOLLAH PER SE. I DO NOT SUPPORT HAMAS PER SE. I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY GOVERNMEN PERT OR OTHER ORGANIZED INSTITUTION WHICH IMPOSES HIJAB ON WOMEN, PROSCRIPTIONS ON HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE DRINKING OF ALCOHOL. I HAVE to take their side now, RELUCTANTLY, and with the GRAVEST of misgivings. So don't you DARE try to ideologize ideschmologize ME like you think you can with everyone else herre. I am unideologizable. Go ahead. Try it.

That is precisely WHY it took me SO LONG until I finallly saw that piece of TOXIC WASTE you posted called a ceasefire blog to actually challenge you. I listened to your grievances about the bombings from Hamas and the this and the that and I DIDN'T SAY BOO abou tthem, thinking okay like well I'm not in Israel, how do I know how bad the shelling are..

NOW I KNOW.

YOUR BLOG SAYS IT ALL.

yOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR.

YOU HAVE SHAT ON ALL THE JEWISH PRINCIPLES I WAS BROUGHT UP TO BELIEVE IN; UNIVERSAL ETHICS, COMPASSION, THE PRIMACY OF SERIOUS INTELECTUAL INQUIRY...\

YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR.

YOU DISHONOUR MY PEOPLE.

I WILL SPEAK FOR THE TEACHINGS OF MY PEOPLE IN WHICH I WAS RAISED.

MY MOM IS 82 IN MIAMI AND SHE WOULD RATHER I DIEDC THAN WRITE A BLOG LIKE THAT.

Don't you try to hamasify me. Hamas is  right now a necessary evil and like all Islamacist regimes a piece of shit in the long run.

You'll have to find a better tactic.

You can't Islamo-leftify me.

but...wait..wait...say whaaaaaaaaaaaaat????? you actually provided a link to that piece of billious trash of a ceasefire blog you wrote IN  YOUR DEFENSE???????????????????????

instead of just hoping other people would miss it in all theother fun and games here and not bother reading it?

YOU ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WON'T NOTICE HOW CONTEMPTUOUS YOU ARE OF THEM, HOW ARROGANT AND SNEERING AND MOCKING AND DERISIVE AND HOW SUPERIOR YOU FEEL?

Say what?

Reality check, Lady. Reality check. Heeeeeeelloooooo...

 


desi

Those falsehoods that were

by desi on

Those falsehoods that were propagated apparently worked since I'll be toasting my man on Tuesday night:-)    Sorry Samsam, I hate the word jaan too.  I didn't mean to offend.  I'll address you as Key kavoos khan from now on.


Souri

Kaykaavoos

by Souri on

sorry friend, your way of writing betray you too much ! better you think about your image and give up on this useless game. Nobody cares, you know ?

We all, see who you are, and I, will be ashamed of having taken your part many times. Weather you want to continue this game or not, it's your choice, but I'm telling you, everybody knows your writing now, under any new user name.

Your friend,


Zion

Nice try desi

by Zion on

in your history revisionism. The reality is, as most people remember quite well, that I reacted to you not because you were a democrat or an Obama supporter, but because you knowingly and deliberately propagated falsehoods here, and even had the gals to brag about it afterwards. That was all my dear.

I must have done a good job, since evidently it still hurts! :-)


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Kay Kāvus

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The Flying Throne of Kay Kāvus was a legendary eagle-propelled craft built by Kay Kāvus, used for flying the king all the way to China.[1][2]

According to the Shāhnāmeh, Kāvus had a flying craft made consisting of a throne to the corners of which were attached four long poles pointing upward. It was made of wood and gold and he attached specially trained eagles. Pieces of meat were attached at the top of each pole and the ravenous eagles were chained to the feet. As the eagles tried to reach the meat they caused the throne to fly. The craft flew the king all the way to China, where the eagles grew tired and the craft came down. Rostam eventually had to rescue the king who, miraculously, survived the crash.


Hajminator

noiZ,

by Hajminator on

You should read the Human condition by André Malraux. There are passages dealing with racism and depict very well your behavior on this site.

You are arrogant and have a contemptuous attitude. Malraux says that contempt is inspired by a sense of superiority, whether real or imaginary. In your case this force of superior quality comes from your (Zionism) nationalist ideology and is based on the certainty to have the real truth, and embody an elite in which others are excluded.

Arrogant contempt, is typically an expression of racism – It’s a reaction against your fear that our beliefs and passions escape you.

In one sentence: You look to demons that you pretend to fight.


Kaykaavoos Mashangii

I hate the word "jaan"

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 everrrrrrrrrrrrrrry irano arabo fascist who wants to screw you starts withiiiii jaaaaaaaaaaaan. screw jaan . I been around Rosie rose love . I have known mr zion but dont know you . are you trying to be a jaaaaaaaan groupie . I am kaykavoos the magic king and dont like what i see now in yesyesyes men of iranicaaa . whats the charm for yaa to become another iranica yesyesyes birdie jiik jiik, my side view lady. booooyahhhhh to truth....down with booooooooooooooool$**t...hell with hypocrite's peace...let the meyham begin...................chuma kastra defangooota 

 

 

 

A Humane Anarchist  exposing hypocracy of the humanity


desi

Rosie, Don't know you but

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Rosie,

Don't know you but I like you.  I've read all of your posts and I must say you're a voice of reason in this sea of moronic weirdness.  I generally don't dip my feet in these waters...not in the Palestinian/Israeli strife.  I don't feel like it's my place and frankly I'm not an expert.  I've wanted and struggled with posting comments on this topic.  Don't want to be painted with a pro-Islamic brush.  Don't know the first thing about Islam.  I am however saddened and sickened by the events that are happening in the M.E.  

You may have been a witness to the election brouhaha and read the site pre november.  The attacks and labeling started then.  There were many Palin threads.  On several of  these threads some of us Dems bashed Palin as anybody with firing neurons would.  Zion took these personally.  She somehow internalized posts and went for the throat.  It was a bizarre sight to be seen.  She thought we were talking about her.  It was quite narcisstic and a bit creepy.  I for one was called a pathetic, irrelevant degenerate.   These acerbic insults escalated and were thrown mainly at Democrats.   She became a prevalent fixture then.  She gained a couple of fans.  Those who thought that if you were a Democrat you were somehow in cahoots with the IRI or a Muslim freak.  I didn't know being a liberal meant you were a reactionary supporter of a theocracy.  I'm learning a ton from my fellow Iranians here on this site.  

What pisses me off is that Iranians as you well know for the most part aren't anti-Semitic.  Many of us here are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrian, atheist etc....Many of us have aunts, uncles, cousins who happen to be Jewish.  Iranian Jews.  Zion has made it possible to turn the most vehemently anti-semite in to a pro Aryan.  It hasn't happened to me.  I for one won't cave.  She is however becoming AIPAC's poster child for what not to do.  I know she's not a microcosm of her community.  She's doing the opposite of what she's intending.  

Which begs the question, WTF, why the hell is she here?

Keykaavoos Jaan, don't fly too close to the sun.  Cheers:)