خاكِ پدران است كه دستِ دگران است

Areh

Hamoon Whatever suites you best.

Whatever. Good night.

OKtaby

Oktaby

Eh jeddi?

It really is not Upto you to make that determination. Just because you don't wanna read or hear it does not mean people have either nothing to say or just wanna argue.

I did have something to say and i said it. Got a problem?

I do not argue with anyone especially with you. Worse than banging my head agains the wall. 

Drop  your arrogance and Takabor and stop telling people that they don't get it. Iran does not belong to Just you and your Ilk. So don't turn this about something that is not, namley boasting about How much you care about Iran and Iranian people and How everyone else is anti-Iranian or Arab lover.

"cause if that is really your agenda then you are the one who REALLY does not get it.

DX, either you have something to say

or you just want to argue. How is focus on tomorrow, June12, separate from the focus on Iran in general?

If you don't get it then ask questions. If you want to argue, I have no interest.

OKtaby

Oktaby

Well, I am sorry But in combination with the hate-filled and intentionally bogus comments that i read from him painting all muslims with a broad brush, that is the impression i come away with.

I know what the focus , The question is Do you? Seems like you like to change that in every post. In the last one it was all about Tomorrow's events, now all of a sudden it is something else. God knows what will be in store for us in the next one .

"this war" is same as the one being predicted and projected

by many not anyone asking for one. I have not gotten an impression VPK wants war but s/he can elaborate.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want or wish a war. That is why the ones who have the means and desire to do it are those I mentioned for reasons I mentioned. War is a very likely event absent a grand bargain by the islamic thugs at the expense of Iranians, or people of Iran disposing of islamic garbage.

If we agree on the focus being Iranians throwing the thugs out, then I'm glad as what we don't need now is distraction; islamic, eatern or western.

OKtaby

Oktaby

I do not misrepresent anything, Perhaps it is you who wants to read things with a certain specific perception and an angle. making it more acceptable and comaptible with your views.

I do agree with you about how those two wars came about. No questions whasoever. But Vpk, wants this to happen, since he is already excited about its potential outcome, even though he vehemently tries to deny it right at the beginning.

I know very well predicting and projecting something is not the same as wishing for it. You are echoing his sentiments here:

"this war is first and foremost a desire of the ..." What war? Who is asking for a war?

People can talk and be concerned about anything they want to be. It should not bother you if they do not follow your exact footsteps or the instructions that you set up for them.

YES. I KNOW WHAT THE FOCUS IS.

Prediction & projection is not same as support

despite your attempt at such misrepresentation DX. The original Afghan attack post 911 was a given and even supported in a limited context by most people around the world and lost its legitimacy when it became a different war. Iraq war had no support except in the media frenzied United States and in the context of 911 revenge and Bush lies. Bill Moyers said it elegantly that "the most patriotic thing any American can do is to oppose this war". However, a large number of people had predicted that war as Bush policies were motivated so.

Now with IRR is the same story. Predicting a war is not same as wishing it. It is bad for Iran and America, good for IRR & and U.S. corporate interest. It is a direct consequence of bunch of mercenary foreign thugs ruling an ancient nation via fascism and putting Iran at risks above and beyond the misery they have wrought on the country for the past 31 years. This war is first and foremost a desire of the IRR because it is about the last option to extend their filthy existence. That is besides a national massive Iranian uprising to throw them and their Hezi, felestini, lebanese and whatever other mercenaries and trash of the middle east out.

In the midst of all this their paid and free agents keep talking palestine. Tomorrow is the anniversary of selection, Neda & Sohrab and rest of the best of Iran. That is the focus.

OKtaby

El predictore

How can you not be a proponent of something yet be predicting it in such transparent and clear and precise manner?? you even come up with a time frame for it!!

Are you saying Obama is not Busy with Iraq? Iraq is done now???

Quit kidding yourself.

bushtheliberator

I am not a proponent of attack on Iran by the USA. So you got that wrong. Need to read my post and not confuse them with other people.

However just because Bush did not attack Iran does not mean Obama won't. Bush was busy with Iraq then. It is done now. Obama is busy with Afghanistan now. Once he is done then it will be IRI. Pentagon knows that fighting IRI takes the full force of the USA there. So they are in no hurry to do so. Until Afghanistan is done. The Taliban will crumble under USA forces. They have no other choice. They are simple not a match. It will take time probably a couple of years maybe less. Once that is done: IRI's time is up.

This is my prediction.

We will see.

This is how it feels to read so many

comments that have little to do with the topic at hand. The intended objective of the IRR, palestine, left & right crowd is metaphorically the same as what Lando suffered and so delicately portrayed in the clip. And if you fall for it the end result is about the same as the clip... metaphorically speaking

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1aKv5My8zA 

OKtaby

"US & Israel Robbed of their excuse to attack Iran" ??

dear Veiled Prophet of Khorasan,

   I'm your frequent visitor,but seldom comment except to say that singing"Bomb,Bomb Iran" is purely emotional,and NOT operational.A longstanding calculation of the environmental,military,political, and economic consequences of an attack on Iran has not changed.Not gonna happen.I believe there are more proponents of US attacks on Iran at Iranian.com than there are in the Pentagon.The IRI has demonstrated its thirst for American blood in Iraq, but my dear President George Bush didn't 'bomb Iran'; do you really think O-Bambi would ?

OI, that is what she means to say

but we all keep misunderstanding her.... over and over and over again.

Shepesh, Thanks for the link and good observation.

"Khomeini: in this period, the Islamic Republic adopted a very hard-line and extremist policy towards (israel)...... as an illegitimate and faked regime based on aggression and religious racism." It is a perfect self description for IRR as well. 

Without this, Iraq war extention, pre-signed oil contracts, IRR/khomeinism will not have been brought about or existed for long as an entity or a regime.

OKtaby

Shepesh

Thank you for the thesis you provided in the link, excellent.

Yes, NP is really "misunderstood" :-)))

Here she is defending and justifying all of IRI's crimes, including rape and murder of Iranians.  Now mind you that this is the same person who has been crying for a week about the nine Turks and Americans killed on the Gaza bound ship.:

 A regime that invited a devastating war upon its

citizens by slaughtering the cadre of skilled military officers; this is like blaming a rape victim for letting her legs show in a compromising fashion.

-A regime that prolonged a devastating war... just like all other regimes engaged in war? current us ops in afghanistan included.

-A regime which used child soldiers— wrong to do, but how dare you dismiss the utmost sacrifice made by so many iranians in this fashion?

-A regime that executed tens of thousands of its
citizens for their opposition to its brutal rule; again, wrong to do, but unfortunately quite regular in violent revolutions. the 'civil war' tendency was started by the mujahedin.

-A regime that has jailed hundreds of thousands of
its citizens for their opposition to its brutal rule; fair point. however, on a per capita basis, iran has fewer prisoners than the us or israel. this includes political prisoners. not the worst case around.

-A regime that has devastated the Iranian military,
and is forced to fool its gullible supporters into thinking it’s
building fighter aircraft by re-painting 40 year old F-5’s and giving
them a new name; this sounds made-up. in any case, iran's military is far more self-sufficient than the previous regime.

-A regime that stands against the whole notion of
being Iranian..., sounds like a typical iranian-american distortion of the 'kiani contellation' type. you have been consuming too much 'samsam'.

-A regime that has plundered Iran’s wealth and is
sending billions of dollars of Iran’s wealth annually to foreign
terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah; subjective, politically motivated assessment. where is the cost-benefit analysis? hamas and hezbollah are legitimate resistance movements. hezbollah in particular has a great reputation and following and is a key ally against israel.

-A regime that has given away billions of Iran’s
dollars to Russian politicians and the Russian mob without getting
anything back in return; as above. iran has to manage russia, a potential enemy.

-A regime that puts the interests of Palestinians
and South Lebanese over the interest of Iran and Iranians. baseless claim.

-A regime that has denied equal rights to Iranian
women...; partially true. iran has a far bigger and more educated cadre of professional women than before the revolution. iranian men - of the regime or anti-regime type - are the real problem. the regime is a reflection.

-A regime that murders its own citizens on the
streets and blames it on the BBC; baseless accusation. violent demonstrations tend to cause casualties. this does not make the 'regime' a mass murderer of iranians.

-A regime that rapes its own citizens in prisons; caused by individuals not the regime.

-A regime that has caused the largest brain drain
in the history of Iran; bigger than chengis khan? pls show more objectivity when combining superlatives with 'history'.

-A regime that driven Iran’s economy into the
ground; baseless claim.

-A regime that has reduced the status and stature
of Iranians around the world; if you mean the world (rather than your own neighbourhood) when you say 'the world', the situation is quite the opposite.

-A regime that is itching to start a war with the
U.S.—at the expense of the Iran and its people-- to prolong its
miserable existence. absolute garbage!

It's from this blog:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observer/who-anti-iranpage1

Correct. See the first few comments and link on this thread.

OKtaby

This is not Gaza

Not that I disagree with the substance of the discussion, but the photo you have displayed here is in fact not in Gaza but the Bahaii Gardens in Haifa. Gaza looks very much like any refugee camp holding over 1.5 million people in it.  It's pretty atrocious.

NP, please come back tomorrow while I go get my violin

to play background music for this play. There is not a dry eye left in the house after your heartfelt I'm just the sound of reason misunderstood speech.

OKtaby

Samer

Anyone who places the IR regime on a pedestal as NP does is neither lucid nor deep in vision. NP is a shallow, narrow-minded individual who relishes the freedoms of the West yet disparages those who provide them. People like that are devoid of all values and have no respect for others.

The facts of the past 31 years vis-a-vis the IR speak for themselves, and those who speak of either the acts committed or the players in this nightmare in a positive light as this person does deserves no quarter.

samer

many thanks for that. i dream of a secular democracy in iran too, but unlike some of these hotheads i don't see it happening right now. would love to be proven wrong. june 12 anniversary coming soon. regime change would be good, but it ain't happening as far as i can see. for this crime, i am constantly attacked! and also for the crime of wanting friendly relations with our neighbours, including arabs.

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you've uncovered your own bias...

"The concept of talking and exchaning with islamist is an oxymoron and you cronies of IRR are the part after the prefix."

When did I say that you should converse with Islamists? I said that you should converse with "Moslems" and educate yourself on the diversity of views that they hold. That you equate moslems with Islamists is ignorant at best, and racist at worst.

As for your obviously well thought out statement which I have quoted; that is exactly what someone from the extreme right-wing Israeli political establishment would say. Yes you should pat yourself on the back, that is an achievement.

I have no interest conversing with you either, you obviously know very little about the Middle East and your greatest talent seems to be labelling people. Congradulations.

Comments from visually/morally challenged. The focus is IRAN.

and nothing else at this point.

1-You have no independent contribution. Come back when you do. The few comments you have left on this site are all about pal & isr., go to appropriate websites and analyze them until you drop

2-Pointing out the picture is Haifa, indicates you have not bothered to read anything on this thread and are here as a fictional character or crony of NP et al

3- I'm not interested in conversing with you. Had you bothered to read my comments you will have some vague idea why.

the last point is also for future reference. The concept of talking and exchaning with islamist is an oxymoron and you cronies of IRR are the part after the prefix. Send your more experienced meceneries and I may choose to have fun with them.

OKtaby

conversations of the blind

"You openly and brazenly kiss the butts of AN and his handlers-criminals" - Borat

I am surprised at the constant personal attacks against NP; the labels and insults against her are unjustified. Borat your interventions don't even merit a response.

Niloufar has the depth of vision and lucidity to realize that what happens in one part of the Middle East, does matter. What happenned on the flotilla is actually very eye opening, because Israel has brashly applied its usual policies towards the Palestinians on an international shipment of aid-relief and volunteers. If this was really self-defence, then Israel would release the dozens of recorded testimonies of the journalists that were on board those ships ... of course all was confiscated. What are they trying to hide?

Israel will be measuring and analyzing the world's response very carefully. If they can get away with something like this with a light slap on the hand, then they can also get away with attacking Iran's nuclear installations, plus anythings else they feel like bombing and shredding in order to perpetuate misery. They have already been planning such an attack for years. and will trump up the same bogus arguments and lies to justify it. The EU and US response has been the typical limp-handed disregard for Israel's policies in the region.

Now who wants to fold their hands and focus only on Iranian issues??

Oktaby - I understand your position but your statement has many holes in it. You assume the Palestinians don't care about human rights or the situation in Iran - but which of us has actually asked them? I think an oppressed and occupied population actually can relate well to repression in other countries. Again, where is the evidence that moslems or arabs in the west don't show support for Iranians? And from there you conclude "logically" that they must be IRI agents or apologists for not doing so... There is no logic in the statement. The moslem world is extremely rich and diverse, and "moslems" do not act or respond as one unified mass, as u seem to imagine, instead they interpret things through their own cultural lens and socio-economic context, and surprise surprise, their views diverge on many issues too. You would do well to go out and actually meet some "moslems" from different countries and ask their views on different issues.

Oh and also about your picture; that is Haifa, Israel's second largest city - I am not sure whether this is a kind of joke on your behalf to make ppl think this is Gaza or Palestine. This seems to be the only hoax here.  

Niloufar, thumbs up, patience is a virtue that few take the time to cultivate.

دو زار ته گنجه بود...فرستادیم فلسطین...

بچه‌های پاپتی...قاچاق زن به دبی...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6al6Z6hF48E&feature...

موضوع اصلی‌ ایرانه. حالا هی‌ سوژه عوض کنین

OKtaby

Borat and OnlyIran

Borat, you assume that this...reprehensible character whose initials are "NP" is automatically Iranian, however, I beg to differ. Just like Marge, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if she's actually a "Gazan," or as we say in America, an IRI supporting Palestinian.

OnlyIran, in your list of IRI stooges pretending to be a woman, you forgot "Irandokht," who was probably Nane Palestine's alter ego.

Iran is a prisoner of IRI 

Davish, the adje bi vatan was made to describe you and your like

اون آقايان و خانم های که هی دم از غزه ميزنند و ميخواهند ما خودمان را جای آنها بگذاريم بايد گفت اول خودتان را جای بچه های خيابانگرد و خيابان خواب ايران بزاريد خودتان را جای ان پداران و مادرانی بگذاريد که شبها به خاطر شرمندگی و دست خالی بودنشان وقتی به خانه ميايند که بچه ها خوابند آنوقت شما دم از غزه ميزنيد؟
اسراعيل که دولت خودفروخته ايران نيست اسراعيل اول به فکر امنيت مردم خودشه.
نه غزه نه لبنان جانم فدای ايران

Me 2.... No Pain, no gain

This whole gang is kinda like Blahojevich
They claim their innocence, bleeding heart and twist things even in the face  of audio/video evidence and sworn eyewitnesses.

OKtaby

What kind of people will sit back and watch this man regress

My kind :-) 

I told you DONT ban Ayhab!

Now his ghost had a breakdown and returned to haunt us as Darveesh. I told you people DO NOT BAN him. Don't you people feel responsible? Don't you have a heart? What kind of people will sit back and watch this man regress.