خاكِ پدران است كه دستِ دگران است

however you read d noheh, I guess we cry like d video enclosed

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhQMCH2QWw

MM

Don't forget that NP is a product of what Jamshid calls IRI's culture of "geda parvari" and "haghir parvari".  According to that culture, you should never look up to someone who is better than you.  So long as you are one degree better than the worst of the worst, then you should be proud and "satisfied".  So, so long as Iranian women do not wear burgas, like Afghanistan, they should be satisfied.  Or if Tehran is not like Mogadishu, then Iran is doing great.  

Oktaby:

The point that you perceive as "shifting" was that you believed in your search results where as I offered you with links and proofs that was contrary to your findings, using a different method which rendered more searches. Apparently, the proof of my point by providing links were not enough to persuade you from your search techniques where as all you had to do to look at the links and judge for yourself.

However, my point here is not to dual about the past, I simply believe by either accidentally or intentionally misrepresenting or even exaggerate the facts, it will diminish its potency.

Case in point, the misuse of the term "terrorist" by the Western media. It has been misused so much that the term "terrorist" is virtually meaningless now.

Mehrdad

Actually darveesh, aka Captain Ayhab

the picture that you have posted is the collapsed wall that brother Arab country Egypt had erected to keep those pesky little Palestinians from seeking refuge in the brother country.  The wall was stormed by the Palestinians and the picture shows it after it had collapsed.   

Darveesh, that picture if from the link I included

along with many nice ones and the type being promoted. Only if you could bleed for Iran so hard.

It seems hard for IRR apologists to grasp that  The blog is not about whether israel is unjust or palestinians are being abused. But they are being abused by israelis and their own IRR style government going way back to yaSOB Arafat. This blog is about how that issue has been a conflict that has been maintained by all players for their own benefit, and hence a hoax. More importantly, it is about the supporters of a rapist murderous regime screaming human rights. That is just another hoax.

OKtaby

real gaza

//img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0802/gaza_w...

NP, as you are special in your own special way, I use a whole

comment just for you.

OI, pointed out the arbitrary nature of your 'ranking' and your mindset as to what compare Iran to. 'we are not as bad the worse of the worse, so lest focus on israel, capitalism, ....'.   Yep, sure, definitely....

Now,  please don't flatter yourself with an invite. Try to stay focused on what is being said and written. You were asked to stay away from my blogs unless you can address the points and topic of the blog. Since you did not grasp that, you came back with more noise with sugar on top. Hope this clarifies it for future reference.

OKtaby

Why do we need to compare evil regimes to justify IRI?

Yes, Iran is better than, you forgot, PotPol regime too.  But, 1. That does not justify the existence of IRI and 2. Iranians need to think of what is good for Iran.

And Israeli Security forces

And Israeli Security forces do not kill Israelis.

Velayate vaghih on the other hand is super good at killing defenceless, peaceful young female Iranian demonstrators using their rooftop snipers.

I would not be surprised that after the typical few thousand hysterical muslim demosntrators gone back home to their wives for the night, and some calm and fair investigation is carried out, we find out the "peace activists" where actually armed hamas. hizbullah/bassij members. And the "humanitarian supplies" were gons, rockets and such. You see, Israeli soldiers, unlike the unarmed female iranian democracy demostrator, tends to shoot back!

Ari, appreciate your comments and expectation

My blog was intended to showcase the strange brew that is IRR supporters screaming human rights for palestine. I will blog an academic piece of this when I get long free stretch. The palestineonly link I provided is pro palestinian site so I left it for the readers to see a lot more than one picture I included and has many similar pictures and variety.

Bavafa, since you are pointing to lack of specificity or accuracy, please be specific and/or accurate. As is I recall one time I engaged a thread with you at any length and you kept mis reading and shifting the point. 

khers, LOL

Shepesh, thanks 

OKtaby

Please save the IRI BS

"it is certainly not in the habit of shooting at unarmed humanitarian aid workers in international waters. "

Just basij shootin young unarmed girls like neda in an Iranian street and her murderer going free.

And Oktaby may have made an error but he is no liar, his intentions are right. That is the important thing here. That is why he has credibility, unlike shameless IRI propogandists.

LOL-NP :-)))

Now you have really gone off the deep end. 

in the list of dictatorships, iran comes far lower down the list from the likes of north korea, myanmar, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia, yemen, eritrea, somalia and on and on

Really?  Which list is that from?  Yours?  Can you point us to your democracy "list" source?  Iran is a free country?  LOL :-))) Every single newspaper and magazine that has ever said anything remotely critical of the government has been shut down, and it's a "free country"?

On the other hand, I am extremely happy and proud as an Iranian that we are a more free country than Somalia.  That right there says a lot about your twisted mentality! 

How about this one?

oktaby

i missed out iran for good reason. in the list of dictatorships, iran comes far lower down the list from the likes of north korea, myanmar, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia, yemen, eritrea, somalia and on and on. i know you like to pretend otherwise, but i prefer to talk about reality. iran is a relatively free country in the region. it is certainly not in the habit of shooting at unarmed humanitarian aid workers in international waters. it may not have the democratic institutions existing in the west as yet, but it is iran, not usa. she needs progress through time, not war and anti-semitism.

as for addressing your 'points' in your blog, allow me to pass on the invitation. it is hard to address a bitter and twisted mishmash of xenophobic hyperbole.

Peace

Oktaby:

Perhaps it is the lack of attention to the details that create the illusion of misrepresentation.

This is not the first case for you and I am not suggesting that it is by design but at least glad to see you acknowledging at least this time and making correction about it.

Mehrdad

Oktaby

1. As an Oktaby reader I would also have appreciated a date on the Gaza image you temporarily substituted. Knowing that the photo was taken after the 2007 Gaza conflict would have better supported your points for me.  

2. Just in case, for the general reader: Haifa is not in the Gaza strip whose economic blockade is currently under discussion in the news and other threads on this site.

khers, would you kindly include a suggestion for background

to go with this sad and heart felt noheh. I tried to sing it to baba karam, gole maryam and few others but the rhyme is not quite there yet. No problem with gerye and sine zani. Those seem to go with almost anything.

Also, I think arranging 'too sar khod zadan' would be a nice additional arrangement (say for the disco version). 

OKtaby

به ریتم نوحه بخونید

وای فلسطین وای فلسطین

جمهوری اسلامی چکار میکرد اگر تو نبودی، وای فلسطین

هر روز ایرانی‌ میکشیم ولی‌ برای تو گریه میکنیم، وای فلسطین

هر روز ایرانی‌ شکنجه میکنیم ولی‌ برای گربه‌های غزه هم گریه میکنیم، وای فلسطین

وای فلسطین، وای فلسطین

(مکث برای گریه)

۳۱ سال کردیمت پیرهن عثمان، وای فلسطین 

هر روز از اسرائیل اسلحه میخریم، وای فلسطین

اراذل و اوباش حماس را انداختیم به جونتئون، وای فلسطین

وای فلسطین، وای فلسطین

(مکث برای سینه زدن)

ریدیم به هر چی‌ قرار داد صلح بود، وای فلسطین

اسرائیل از برکت ما بیشتر زمین دزدید، وای فلسطین 

اگر تو نبودی به چه عذری ایرانی‌ میکشتیم، وای فلسطین

اون سربازی عزیزت که در جنگ با عراق بر ضد ایرانیها میجنگیدند کجان، وای فلسطین

(مکث برای سینه زدن و گریه کردن)

Thanks Oktaby!

I appreciate your consideration.

Midwesty, the body of my blog was not focused on that picture

when you pointed out it may be an edited picture, I changed it which took the blog off featured as well. Seems I'm damned if I do and...

I will add the previous picture back.

Appreciate you reading my blogs. Hope you respond in that same spirit as well. 

OKtaby

Oktaby,

But your picture was the focal point. This is not right. You have changed the focal point of your essay and all our comments are now irrelevant. How can I trust you that you don't do the same thing next time around. I don't visit every blog on IC. Yours is among a few that I try to read if time allows. Do you have any respect for your readers or you think when you post a blog nobody sees it? With the latter one, you have no respect for yourself then.

NP, sorry but your hanna has no color

"don't you see that victory against israel's atrocities sends a clear message to north korea, myanmar and others."

I notice you conveniently skipped IRR but did not miss on ant-islamist, xenophobia innuendo. 

 Trying to color a frog and selling it as VW won't work.

If you are interested in addressing points of my blog please do and I'll gladly respond. Else, stay with rest of IRR gang please as you sure have plenty of palestine bleeding heart blogs.

OKtaby

I have attached several links including one from Palestinian

site that has pictures under haifa. Now is that palestine side or isreal? I have no idea. Look at the rest of the pix on that site. The basics and fundamentals of my blog do not change with this. I will update it with another and get off featured just to be sure the picture is not the focal point. 

//palestineonly.net/ar/bilder/city/haifa/01_i...

//palestineonly.net/ar/bilder/city/haifa/G/F%20(38).jpg

//palestineonly.net/ar/bilder/city/Ramallah/G/F%20(2).jpg 

OKtaby

Ari,

Thanks. About the edited part I shall say when I looked at this panoramic picture I didn't see the tall buildings:

Source:

//www.aguide2israel.com/index.php/fuseaction/...

Haifa

Here (about the middle of the page) is the above image along with another panned to the left which shows the dome . 

oktaby

are you an apologist for apartheid and racism?

of course it is a human rights issue. this is why the world cares. it's been going on for seventy years. it looms large in the consciousness of many people in the world and quite rightly so. why won't you stop picking on palestinians and let people express whatever they feel? what is this deep anti-arab hatred in you that blinds you to such obvious atrocities committed against the palestinians. we should defend the palestinians like we should have defended the jews better in the past. it is the same issue. human rights and our collective unwillingness to put up with such inhuman behaviour for so so long. it is for the sake of all people's rights. this one happens to be the top of the global agenda. and for good reason. why do some people insist on turning the palestinian issue into something else? it is not about iran or myanmar or korea. this conflict has captured the attention of the globe. it is directly related to the events in afghanistan and iraq and the twin towers over the past decade or two. it is the reason why there is so muh anti-americanism in the middle east, and it is the core issue that divides the governments of iran and usa. iran wants to be friends with the us but not its client state. israel's strong challenge in the region is detrimental to iran's interests. but you know all that. i just don't see the point of screaming the opposite. are you trying to convince yourself oktaby? have you taken to denying the world an opinion? some form of consensus at long last? don't you see that victory against israel's atrocities sends a clear message to north korea, myanmar and others. people will believe in themselves again, and set some serious global standards. the palestinian struggle is for freedom from atrocities and humiliation. of course we have a struggle for freedom in iran too. why do you confuse the two issues? they are both just struggles, and you or me certainly have no monopoly over the iranian one. but please, stop pretending that you can claim to have a solution for iran when you so clearly show hatred for arabs. they are our neighbours, and we must make friends with them. luckily your brand of xenophobia has currency with a tiny minority of iranians.  such an islamophobic and warmongering ideology could only ruin iran's chances of ever having peace. you need to question your own values.

Midwesty, not so fast with conclusions

First, I put a link in earlier comment from a palestinian site that has pix of every dehat and ghasabeh so to speak. So even if the picture I got is a bastardized one, there are many on their own site showing similar. The point being palestine is not quite as miserable as portrayed.

Now, let me return an even larger disappointment to you:

Of all the points I made, the only one you picked on was the picture (and implying less than good intent even though I attached link from palestinian sources as well) and then claiming disappointment with me. Your comment says more about your bias and disposition than anything I outlined in my blog.

Not a single point and fundamentals of what I listed has been addressed by your comment. Are you actually contesting anything I said? 

OKtaby

Wrong Oktaby...

I am disappointed with you:

The picture is a heavily edited picture of Bahahi Garden in Haifa:

//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_-_Ha...

So tell me what is the real hoax?

(deep sigh)

I am absolutely SICK of seeing the word Palestine, not because I do not care, but I feel Iranian issues being sidelined by IRI supporters. God knows I care about any human being, but enough is enough. Why is it any of our business to put them before Iranians on a daily basis ??? Khodaya WHY?

A long history of occupation and invasion has taken its toll

on Iran.

Apparently, we owed a government to mollas and we have paid that debt now. Lets just hope we can recover after them.

Just click on any of the names and see pix of the 'suffering'  //palestineonly.net/ar/bilder/index.htm

OKtaby