FLASHBACK

BBC's Mule

Do you report from London?

BBC's Mullah

Interesting, I want to save lives and you want to get them killed, then you say, I am playing with Iranians?

I believe in peaceful demonstrations as you do, but not under these conditions. Just because it worked for Dr.king, doesn't mean it will work for Iran. The conditions are different and you will be feeding the grinding machine(Evin) quicker than you can bring people out of their homes. Has that not been the case so far?

Not everyone who is anti-IRI is a right candidate.

Again, We need a president who is brave, nationalist, smart, and have proven records of standing for justice. It is up to people to nominate them.

Iran's Wellwet Revolution (to Kashani)

Kashani, maybe one of these days AIPAC manages to have a Wellwet (Not velvet) revolution in Iran, and soon they'll be looking for some guys such as yourself to put in power. Your "popularity" with many of us here will then be an asset to you.
Kashani_jAn as you know my criticisms of your numerous humorous exaggerations only have added to your "populaty". So I am sure when the day comes that AIPAC chooses you for a top position ..... you will say to yourself: "thanks to that Esfahani ***hole (Anonym7) who boosted my popularity."
Remember how "popular" Sara Palin became because of Saturday Night Live ...

Anonymous8,   Thanks (I

Anonymous8,  

Thanks (I guess??!!).

  Anonymous7,  

You do categorize born again folks as “war mongeres who hate Iran and love Israel, and that’s the only reason they want to see Israel destroy Iran”, right?? That is your childish logic, isn’t it?

You call me all kinds of names, and now you say you’re saying those things are “for laugh”, well, you get treated the same way you treat others. If you wanna have a civilized dialogue and exchange of ideas, great! If you insult others, folks will defend themselves.

IRI supporters fool NO ONE!

Dariush --

You're the classic IRI supporter. You always answer a question with a question and never take responsibilty for the crimes and corruption of the mullah regime. For that, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

You write:

"I asked who is responsible for the problems in the world? You said, IRI."

Firstly, I'm NOT -- and I repeat, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD -- (nice trick). I'm talking obout IRAN'S PROBLEMS!!! I know what you're tying to do -- get America into this discussion, that way you absolve the filthy mullahs of any responsibility (nice trick).

I don't give a shit about other countries, my concern is my homeland, Iran, which is not yours. Your homeland is Mecca, obviously, otherwise you would try to free Iran of Islamic fanatics!

You further write:

"Most Iranians hold U.S. responsible first and most in the world... You want U.S. to help you. Iranians want to cut her hands off of Iran... your views are against the views of majority of Iranians."

You're a joker! I've said MANY times I don't want the US, nor do we need the US to get involved (nice trick). Again, you try to portray ALL those against the IRI as American puppets (nice trick). And you further try to blame all of our problems on America (nice trick again).

And have you personally polled 70 million Iranians to see if my views are against "a majority of Iranians?"

STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH THE IRANIAN PEOPLE!!!

You're fooling no one!

All the major problems of Iran are ALL the fault of the mullahs, first and foremost!!! These Arab-minded seyyeds have no one to blame but themselves!!!

BBC Mule

Are you hired by BBC to spread false rumors?

BBC's Mullah

I asked who is responsible for the problems in the world? You said, IRI.
Once again you used your big mouth instead of using your brain.
Most Iranians hold U.S. responsible first and most in the world, and IRI second and only in Iran. You want U.S. to help you. Iranians want to cut her hands off of Iran. You still dreaming about Pahlavi. Iranians think Pahlavi is history and we have many in Iran who can do a good job. These are our major differences.
Considering these differences, you views are against the views of majority of Iranians.

You mentioned number of crimes by some in IRI.
I say, they must be brought to justice and they will.

As I said, there are wise ways to fix the problems, and there are foolish ways.
Just as you think reform is not the way. "I mean real reform", some think people should take arms and fight.

You want to change the government by peaceful demonstrations. I think there will not be a peaceful demonstration, while the hardliners have too much power, and people will be harmed. However, if a real reformist is elected, he/she can create an atmosphere where people can gradually hold such peaceful demonstrations without getting killed or arrested.
In fact choosing a real reformist in a way, is a peaceful demonstration with less risks.

As I said, if people choose some other individuals for presidency and do their own advertising, that is peaceful demonstration. people must make sure they are choosing a reformist who has proven record to stand for justice.

Finally, in respond to your accusations, You are too little to question or approve my loyalty to Iran.

Kashani, yavash kashi nashkaneh

Kashani, yesterday, you made a wrong claim by not reading my comment carefully. Today again you did the same thing. I did not say born-agains are warmongers, I said I haven't seen your zealotry in any American I know ... even the more religious ones such as born-agains. ..... anyway Kashani, go drink some doogh-e Abali, I don't live in California, otherwise I would treat you to a good chelow_kobod and we would drink to your comprehensive health and mine.
BTW, take it easy, some of my comments are more for the laugh than anything else.

Farhad Kashani,

you are so much fun to read and laugh at.

khoda barekatet bedeh, kheili ba mazei.

Anonymous7, the hate mongering leftist supporter of Fascist IRI

     So you’re saying that your friends are just like you: misguided, misinformed, consumed by leftist media and ideology, IRI supporting and victimizing, U.S bashing, shortsighted, child-in-a grown up-body, hate mongering people? Good to know that.

To add to that, this illustrates something. It illustrates you and people like you’s inability to think beyond the clichés (or think, period) and beyond “News”terntaintment and beyond what someone tells you to think. The fact that you believe born-again folks are war mongering, where as the majority of them are peace loving, law abiding and peaceful citizens shows the sad condition of your thinking process and how out of touch you are with the real world.

Mutual Respect

Dariush --

I'm actually inclined to think that you're not a thug/bastard like all the others on the IRI payroll. You seem genuinely concerned, even though it was YOU who started the nonsense about "names."

But you write: "If mutual respect and reasoning was used instead of bullets, none of these destruction and killings would have occurred. Who is to blame for it?"

Are you talking about the Mullahs here, because I could say the same with respect to the IRI -- if they respected people and reasoned more, instead of killing and torturing innocent people, then I wouldn't be here screaming for a velvet revolution! "Who is to blame for it?"

The corrupt Mullahs!

If they were not such bastards, if they were not such monumental THIEVES, if they did not kill innocent people, if they did not torture their politcal prisoners, if they paid more attention to the problems of Iran rather than the Palestians, if they were not SO CORRUPT, if they were not so perverted, if they didn't rape virgins the night before they executed them, if they didn't hang CHILDREN in public squares, if they didn't pull fingernails in Evin, if they didn't oppress their ethnic minorities, if they didn't persecute their religious minorities (Bahais), if they didn't assasinate those in exhile, if they didn't intimidate and murder journalists...

If the filthy mullahs BEHAVED like reasonable and responsible leaders, NOBODY here or anywhere else would be calling for their destruction!

And as far as recent disturbances in Iran are concerned (robing, raping and killing, as you say), this is NOT the kind of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE that I call for, in the order of Martin Luther King. Dr. King would routinely tell his people that even if the police hit you and forced their dogs on you, DO NOT HIT BACK!!!

Peaceful resistance, Dariush, that's the only way to get the mullahs out of Iran! And believe me, you may think it's naive, but it will happen! One day, it will lead to strikes all around the country, and the mullahs will be fininshed.

In fact, once the oil workers in Abadan were pressured by the leftist Tudeh to strike, the black revolution was completed.

The raping, killing and robbing that you speak of is actually what the mullahs are doing to Iran!!!

Raping our country
Killing our young
Robbing our heritage and our resources

hateIRI

I agree with you 100%.

Did you stand at an intersection in Iran or in the US (or elsewhere)?

BBC's Mullah

I told you, I know where you are coming from. You finally showed your Pahlavi loving face.

Now I know why IRI speaks of velvet revolution and some thugs in public are robing ,raping and killing others. They have got the idea from you. You say people must create public disorders and they are doing it. If this is not the kind of public disorder you have in mind, you'd better discuss your ideas in detail to clear the air instead of starting your postings with bunch of BS and ending it with bunch of BS about names. If you have nothing worth saying, just zip it.

The Talibans were sanctioned for years prior to 2001. What has happened? They learned to live with it and survived. Wouldn't it have been better, if sanctions were lifted and education was used to change people's attitude, by sending doctors, teachers and etc?

Look at Cuba! They were sanctioned for decades. What happened? They learned to live with it. Cuba has been called names too. what is changing Cuba today? Is it the sanctions or respecting her rights and reasoning?

If mutual respect and reasoning was used instead of bullets, none of these destruction and killings would have occurred. Who is to blame for it?

As for voting, I am not for this election. People should select the candidates. Not everyone who calls himself/herself a reformist, is one.

How to be a real Iranian!

من آريايی ام. خدای من ايران است. پيامبر من کورش بزرگ است. امامان من داريوش بزرگ ، خشايارشا ، مازيار ، انوشيروان عادل ، يزدگرد . امام زمان من کاوه آهنگر است. روحانيون من فردوسی ، خیام ، مولوی ، حافظ ، سعدی و ابن سينا . کتاب مقدس من شاهنامه است . اصول و فروع دين من لوح حقوق بشر کورش بزرگ است. عاشورای من قادسيه است. شهداي من رستم و بابک خرمدين است. پرچم من درفش کاويانی است. بهشت من آزادی است. عيد من مهرگان و نوروز است. محراب من دل است.. دين من عشق و دانش است. ايمان من خرد است .

Parham

I understand they did and thank them

but we need more not that the site hasn't done much for us, but we Iranian didn't do much for people like Omid.

JJ and iranian.com can reach more people than I can.

I am helpless.

believe me I stood an afternoon at the busy intersection with a sign demanding justice for Omid. I did because that is the only thing I knew what to do. I'll do it again.

Did I get results. No

I am hoping iranian.com only one day will pay tribute to all these unheard heroes

hateIRI

iranian.com did make a special page for Omid. Not very many people appeared in support.

Saberi is freed -- Thank God but what about Omid's Justice

I was very happy that Roxana Saberi was freed.

I don't even know her and have no relation to her but as a parent as a father and as someone who loves Iranian and specially those are so courageous to stand up in front of the bullies.

She had done nothing wrong, she reported ethically and rightfully and truthfully about the current events in Iran.

Again, I am very happy for her release and her family.

But the question here is what about Omid Mirsayafi and others like him who were not lucky to have dual citizenship and been protected.

Omid's life ended by the thugs and criminal entity who run our country.

I really wished and hoped JJ and Iraian.com would give a tribute to Omid and thousand like him who have sacrificed their life in a courageous stand against the murderers and the fascist regime in Iran.

We need to demand justice for Omid Mirsayefi, Zahra Kazemi and thousand like them and call a day of national prayer.

I demand justice for Omid.

Take care

expired rhetoric, Kazemzadeh?

Kazemzadeh, please have mercy on Nelson Mandela, you are no Nelson Mandela. Your Bush inspired rhetoric is getting old .... even for those in the very right (extreme left ends up in far right?)

Removal of Mullahs

Niloufar --

You write: "there are many vociferous opponents of the government that would defend the regime against an outside threat."

I never said anything about any "outside threat" removing the mullahs -- I made mention of a velvet revolution from within. Even though it may be difficult to remove the mullahs as you say, we just don't know what could happen tomorow. So we should be prepared. The west may impose new sanctions on the mullacracy, i.e., gasoline blockade, which would cripple the Islamic regime. Then all bets are off. And there could be unforseen circumstances, like a Cinema Rex event -- I'm just guessing, not forecasting.

Point is, as much as the mullahs try to convey a sense of stabilty, their bankrupt regime is treading on very thin ice -- the young people are against them in droves, 70% were born after the revolution and have no connection to it, there are ethnic minorities all over the country who want NOTHING to do with this sadistic regime, the economy is in absolute shambles, inflation is at an all-time high, unemployment is at 25%, not to mention the unions, the school teachers, etc., etc.

A future revolt against this Tazi regime will indeed take place -- it's just a matter of when, not if. That's why preparation is key. And the grass roots you mention is true, but all of that won't mean a whole lot if the people rise up en masse.

The lame IRI supporters who say we should give the so-called "reformers" a chance are extremely deceptive and cunning. If I may ask, how are the "reformers" relevant in any way when an UNELECTED gang of turbans (Assembly of Experts) appoints the Supreme Leader? And how are the "reformers" relevant in any way when the same UNELECTED gang of turbans selects those who qualify to run for "president?"

Everything that happens in Iran that really matters is carried out by UNELECTED ayatollahs and seyyeds! So, how can the "reformers" have any significant relevance in such a distorted political system???

The real problem with the turban regime in Iran is its very FOUNDATION, the system of Velayat-e-faghig, which is a de facto monarchy (a monarchy without a crown, but a turban)! So, don't be fooled. Today, we have a Shah with a turban, and his "president" is very much like the prime ministers under the late Shah, who were very much a rubber stamp.

So, all this nonsensical talk about "reformers" is just that -- NONSENSE!!! The reformers will NEVER be able to "reform" this deviant regime because it is in its DNA to be dictatorial, as in a dictatorship.

Again: good cop, bad cop (reformers, hardliners) -- anything else is propaganda. This is not 1997 and this is not year 6 of the revolution. Sadly, this is year 30 and the Iranian nation won't be fooled by these pedestrian games any more!

MK

here is the problem with the kind of sanctions that you propose:

the South Africa analogy is irrelevant to the Security Council. The SC never took a position on sanctions against South Africa (pls correct me if i am wrong, but that is my impression of how it went). It was a global civilian campaign that defeated Apartheid. And it was done despite powerful support from some members of the SC for Apartheid. This is a sad lesson in terms of human rights and the position of the SC in the world. 

in terms of SC sanctions on Iran: i presume you mean an oil embargo. This would cripple the economy to the point of no return. now look at the historic parallels and how 'successful' this strategy has been. N. Korea, Iraq or even Myanmar. 

Such sanctions drive the economy bankrupt, they result in thousands of civilians casualties, starvation, dependence on food aid, and the spread of disease. but they do not remove regimes.

unlike the case of South Africa, these sanctions were not tied to a specific domestic constituency (like the African National Congress), which is the key factor missing here.

of course, to say that there is no organised opposition is not an excuse for not making an effort to create one. i would support that. but in my view, That is what is needed rather than SC sanctions.

would not trust the SC at this historical juncture. may be once it is reformed and based on more equal and humane terms.

Peace

Q are you serious?

Aye! Do I need to go copy and paste your comments to others on this thread?

Are you really that non aware of what you say?

No way!

You must be joking!

BBC's Mullah

yes i can understand your position. it's how the Shah was removed. It should be possible to do the same with this regime.

for whatever reason, a soft (velvet) revolution does not look like it will come about anytime soon.

regardless, my impression is that a sudden change of regime in Iran would lead to a civil war, with the sepah and basijis defending the islamic regime.

and it is not just them. there are many vociferous opponents of the government that would defend the regime against an outside threat. they take pride in the regime for their own reasons.

i guess my point is that the connection of this regime with the grassroots is far stronger than that of the shah's. it is that much harder to 'overthrow'. 

then there is the 'historic lesson' argument: look what happened the last time we revolted! who knows what may come after these guys. this simply shows that we have no organization, as you say.

Mullah Misinformation

"Dariush" --

When you claim that a "majority" of Iranians still support the IRI, you MUST mean majority of the Hezbollahis, right? Otherwise, one might think you need your dellusional cranium checked out.

Secondly, you accuse me of a "low sperm count" because my moniker is "BBC's Mullah," which is as annoymous as one can get, even though I chose the name not so much for annonymity, but because I wanted to take a stab at the Leader of the black revolution, Ayatoillet Khomeini, who was known as "Ayatollah BBC." We all know who Khomeini's sponsors were, namely, 10 Downing Street, London, England.

But let's be real here, you calling yourself "Dariush" is just as annonymous as me calling myself "BBC's Mullah," that is, unless you attach your true last name. There are a zillion Dariushes out there, so you might as well call yourself "Annonymous666" -- as such, what is the difference between "Dariush" and BBC's Mullah?"

However, according to your twisted logic, you're a coward too and must have a low sperm count! That is, unless you'd like to attach your last name to "Dariush," and even then, who's to verify your veracity?

In other words, you must have no better arguments, othrwise you wouldn't reduce this discussion to sophomoric insults. After all, your "low sperm count" attack could just as easily apply to yourself!

To hell with the "Islamic Republic" AND to hell with its depraved supporters!

Long live a FREE Iran!!!

AND REMEMBER: send a message to the world that the mullah dictatorship is NOT a legitimate government by NOT voting in the upcoming SHAM sheepishoo "elections," which will NOT change anything in Iran!

A pig with lipstick is still a filthy pig!

To Natalie

"How is the legitimacy of the IRI established if there is no clear, objective and accurate data on what it's citizens want at this point in time?"

IRI is not a legitimate representitive of the Iranian people although it claims to be. Mullahs along with most dictators in modern times especially those who use vicious and brutal methods to oppress their opposition, claim to have the popular support of the people. There is really no proper way of obtaining accurate data on what the people living under a dictatorship, who rules with iron fist, want; but it’s not hard to deduce that almost all these dictatorships don’t have the support of the majority of the populace else they wouldn’t need to resort to execution, torture and imprisonment of the opposition to intimidate the people in order to remain in power.  Saddam Hussein, for example, claimed 100% popular support and everyone thought Iraq was a Sunni majority country when he was in power, but after he was overthrown it turned out that Iraq is actually a Shia majority country and of course, overwhelming majority of Iraqis hated his guts.

IRI lost the support of the majority of Iranians shortly after it took over the country when Khomeini dissolved the Ministry of Justice, stating that anyone against him was against Allah and should be killed where they stood - with no need for a trial or other justice system. Majority of women turned against IRI when they were forced to wear hijab (mandatory cover) and when they lost most of the rights that they had gradually acquired under the previous regime such as their rights to be judges and jurists, abolishment of polygamy and temporary marriages, their rights to get the custody of children and child support, to get a divorce whenever they want and many others. Most ethnic and religious minority groups such as Kurds, Bahais Jews and christian Armenians, also turned against IRI after they were excluded from the government and later on persecuted by it. The other group of Iranians who quickly turned against the newly formed regime were secular Iranians whose secularism, according to the new constitution, was punishable by death. IRI had still some amount of support among Shia muslim men up until the end of the Iran-Iraq war, after which it started to lose the support of Shia men as well, when they executed over 40000 political prisoners and tortured many more and when their mismanagement of the economy and lack of diplomacy left Iran in isolation and a dismal economic state.

Nevertheless, regardless of ethnic, religious and gender affiliation, I believe, majority of Iranians are compassionate and cultured people who would never support a regime that stones people to death,  whose leader (Khomeini) issued a special "religious decree" that required that all virgin women political prisoners be raped before execution to prevent them from going to heaven, that executes and tortures innocent people, and commits inhuman and monstrous acts.

Nowadays, whenever I travel to Iran and talk to the taxi drives, teachers and construction workers who are old enough to have lived through the revolution, I find that most of them are nostalgic for the Pahlavi era, but the Shah himself was dictator who didn't allow any political freedom!, that should tell you how much people hate the Mullahs to be nostalgic for the Shah era!.

Masoud Kazemzadeh / BBC's Mullah

Your dental example reminded me of an analyst who said, these terrorists are like mosquitoes and to fix the problems they all must be killed. FOX played his interview many times and Bush loved the idea and used to do what he did. This was in 2001/2002. Look where they are now.
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As for South Africa, South Africa was not capable to disturb and crash western economy. Never mind the regional or world war.

If you punish someone for ever, they get used to the punishment and learn to live with it. But if you lift the punishment for a while, they would improve themselves to avoid the punishment again.
With the right policies and negotiation we can get the right results.

BBC's Mullah
Yes, Majority still support IRI, specially on Iran's foreign policies. The few Pahlavi lovers you hang out with are not majority.

Just because you are low on sperm and call yourself BBC's Mullah, it doesn't mean I am lying about my name. If it makes you happy, you can call me Ahmad.

Natalia,

With all due respect but you do all of what you say others do.

Please explain and give examples if possible.

No to the Terrorist Regime and how to Get Rid of It

I support UN Security Council sanctions on the fundamentalist terrorist regime ruling Iran similar to those imposed on the apartheid regime ruling South Africa as the best method to get rid of the terrorist regime.  My position is identical to that of Nelson Mandela and ANC in their struggle agains the apartheid regime. Supporters of the apartheid regime used exact same arguments against anti-apartheid activists that the supporters of the terrorist regime use against anti-fundamentalist activists. The fundamentalist terrorist regime needs to be sent where the apartheid regime was sent: the garbage can of history where it  belongs.

Because of the nature of the terrorist regime, it is a zillion times more vulnerable to sanctions (on the sales of crude oil and natural gas) than the apartheid regime was on trade. I believe and hope that it would be a very quick collapse of the terrorist regime if there could be a UN Security Council sanctions on the terrorist regime.

UNSC sanctions is a REAL plan to get rid of the terrorist regime.  If anyone else has a better plan to get rid of the terrorist regime, I am all ears; ein goyo ean meidan.   To say that it will cause pain is like saying going to dentist is painful.  The dentists drill is necessary to solve the problem of cavity just like UNSC real sanctions are necessary pain to solve the problem of the terrorist regime.  Opposing sanctions while not offering a realistic solution is like opposing going to dentist while not offering a realistic solution.

MK

Honestly Q.........

Q,

With all due respect but you do all of what you say others do. I have seen many of your comments throughout the website. E tu Q? Did I miss something? Is this not calling the "kettle black"?

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by Q on Sat May 09, 2009 01:50 PM PDT

Unfortunately something -- be it stress or the feeling of helplessness or just the need to feel important -- has thrown otherwise decent people into a downward spiral of judgementalism. I suppose attacking others and calling their ethics into question is a way to control something in your life.

It's no longer good enough, it seems, to attack people for what their stated point of views are or even based on frivolous associations, but now the trend is to hold them responsible for they didn't say. This has gotten beyond absurd and really represents a new level of self-centered lunacy. What's worse is that these people seem utterly oblivious to it. The (flawed) logic goes something like this:

Traitors

Dariush (if this is your real name, I'm sure it's Ahmad).

This admitted IRI supporter writes: "Do you think your way is better? Get in the ring! Even if you ever, ever, succeed, who is going to govern the country, MEK? Reza topol? Who? Still your best option will be one of the reformists."

You're a joker and a liar! It is your head that is filled with stale lies and propaganda. "Reformers!" Yeah, right! I rather have Reza Topol's stool sample governing Iran than the likes of Khatami! And why do you ridicule his weight -- do you nothing better to criticize him for?

And who said we would change the system "over night," with "chaos and disturbance." Civil disobedience is our right and it can be peaceful. And no one said anything about "hanging" mullahs! You just betrayed your violent mindset, you Hezbollahi. Just because your sheepishoo cousins in Qom execute those they disagree with, that doesn't mean we wanna execute all the mullahs.

You're the same fool who says that "the majority" of Iranians support the vile mullah dictatorship! How clueless are you???? Or how big are the paychecks???

How do they feel now?

Honestly, I think they feel like s**t!