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Mojahedin's brand of Islam

"Eslame lachak be sar ha "

It’s so good to talk

This is so refreshing to see so many bright Iranians on this site, not buying these idiots (MOK) BS. That is why I always trusted the judgment of our people and especially our young generation and saw no need for excluding any group.

At the end of the day MKO seem to be their own worst enemy and the more they talk such nonsensical BS the more they shoot themselves in the foot.

This was why I was against banning them all along as I believed that the only way to expose such delusional groups is to let them talk and reveal their twisted ideology.

I think someone needs to remind the deluded Maryam that religion and democracy are two opposite thing and could never coexist. Asking for a religious democracy is stupid as asking for some good smelling shit. lol

برو این دام بر مرغ دگر نه‌ -- که عنقا را بلند است آشیانه

اسلام بردبار و دمکراتیک !!!   از این حرفهای شما به اصطلاح روشنفکران هر حیوان چهار پایی  خندش میگیره چه برسه به آدم دوپا

خانوم عزیز شما لطف کنید و از زمان تولد اسلام عزیزتون تا حالا فقط یک نمون جامعه 

اسلامی دموکراتیک و بردبار به ما نشون بدید تا ما به همّت شما دومیش رو بسازیم.

شمایی که در قلب اروپا در قرن بیست یک این گونه خودتو قنداق پیچ کردی و حتا به هیچ مردی 

حتی اگه هم سنّ پدر بزرگت هم باشه حتی دست هم نمیدی در ایران اسلامی فردا چه خواهی کرد.

دماری رو که این آخوندهای بی‌ همه چیز به اسم اسلام از گرده مردم بی‌ پناه و بیچاره ایران در آوردن برای هفت جدشون کافی‌ هست

Bavafa, Souri, Anahid

Bit naughty of me, but I had fun watching you outsmart MK--with almost no effort-- to the point where he was so flustered he started scoring on his own goal with contradictions. 

Some quotable lighter moments:

Souri : "be khiale Toudeh Party, baba. Stick to your MkO party."

Anahid: "Then you tell me the story of hossein kord Shabestari?"

Bavafa: "You are welcome to use your YES/NO type response that you expected from others."

You made solid serious points delivered alongside good humor and wit! Very much enjoyed reading your comments.

There were other great comments from others, but in a 10-0 game it's hard to replay every score.

As I Was Saying, Doctor!

Baby Steps! Some are as dumb as you could get!

Bavafa jaan good argument but wrong audience!

     Your logic is sound and your question is clear. Also clear is the inconsistency in MK positions.

      I have come to believe that MK's defence of POMI has a personal element to it. Perhaps he is a relative of one of the members who has been harmed by the regime. Or some other relation of that sort. He is not saying and he would readily deny that perhaps. But we should know better.

      The way he defends this group and tries to cover up for a history of terror and treason is clearly beyond some principle dedication to civil liberty etc. It is personal. Something he is emotionally attached to.

        The funny thing is his side kick! The guy who comes online time to time and encourage him to teach a course on fallacy or democracy or else.

         Well in a democracy everyone is entitled to air their opinion and he is certainly allowed to do that no matter how misguided his ideas is. I just hope he refrains from name calling...

Dr. Kazemzadeh,

You are dealing with individuals who seem to have difficulty with simple concepts! They cannot even understand that your whole argument is not about PMOI or any particular organization or individual. They are incapable of thinking in abstraction.By the way, in this case it'll be called, "Klaaseh Akaaber: Baby Steps!"

MK: why mix up issues here?

What does the US State dept criteria for FTO has any thing to do with your defense of civil liberties of those you disagree with? There are no several issues here with your statement.

You clearly are advocating for the protection of civil liberties of all including those you disagree with. From your other writing, it has been clear that you disagree with IRI leadership, Sepah and other leading organization with IRI but then recanting your own earlier statement for protection of civil liberties of all Iranians.

I would read your earlier/other articles about MEK, but first you will need to show me that your arguements are based on facts and logic and so far, respectfully, I see none.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Bavafa on the PMOI

B:  Aren't these two statement and approach fundamentally contradictory

MK: No. There are several different issues. One is what the US State Dept criteria for the FTO is. Another totally different issue has to do with what the Iranian democrats and the Iranian opposition groups should do during the struggle against the fundamentalist terrorist regime.

B: Furthermore, do you have us to believe that Wikipeida is wrong? The State dept. assessment of MEK which was provided by Ari is also wrong. Then all the documented that Souri has cited got it wrong as well. Not to mention all the documented cases Ayatoilte1 provided is also wrong… but you are correct and MEK did not kill Iranians during the war with Iraq, nor they did help in killing countless Kurds and Shiite Iraqis.

Is that your argument? Just want to be clear here!

MK: No. The PMOI was a guerrilla organization which engaged in armed struggle against the vf regime. Several authoritative sources such as the courts in the UK and EU reviewed the evidence and the arguments, and then they made the decision that the PMOI is NOT a terrorist organization. Due to these judicial finding the governments in UK and then EU had to de-list the PMOI.

The current Foreign Minister of Iraq, Hoshyar Zibari, who is a Kurd has rejected the allegation that the PMOI killed Kurds and Shiites for Saddam.

//www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/opinion/removing-an-iranian-opposition-group-from-the-us-terror-list.html?_r=1

You may wish to read my harsh criticisms of the PMOI in my publications. Those which are available for free right here on this site (and which I have re-posted several times) are:

//iranian.com/main/2008/fatal-attractions

//iranian.com/Opinion/2003/June/MK/index.html

May I ask that you spend a little time, and ACTUALLY READ what I have written in the links so that you KNOW my analysis. Then, tell me if you agree or disagree with my critique of the PMOI.

MK

MK: Which one of your statements would you have us to believe

First you assert:

"As a civil libertarian, I defend the civil liberties and political rights of those with whom I disagree"

Then you tell us:

" How the fundamentalist terrorists should be treated is a different matter than those in the opposition to the terrorist regime."

Aren't these two statement and approach fundamentally contradictory?

Furthermore, do you have us to believe that Wikipeida is wrong? The State dept. assessment of MEK which was provided by Ari is also wrong. Then all the documented that Souri has cited got it wrong as well. Not to mention all the documented cases Ayatoilte1 provided is also wrong… but you are correct and MEK did not kill Iranians during the war with Iraq, nor they did help in killing countless Kurds and Shiite Iraqis.

Is that your argument? Just want to be clear here!

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Dear G. Rahmanian

Dear G. Rahmanian,

That is a good idea. Let me think about it.

Best,

Masoud

More Excuses for PMOI ... when will it end?

"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:01 PM PDT   But YOU are willing to accept that the PMOI used chemical bombs on Iranain cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is soooooooo ridiculous that no one would accet this. "

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Here's what I am willing to accept: the PMOI aided Saddam. And any Iranian that makes excuses for a terror cult that aided Saddam Hussein and participated in an 8 year war against Iran, challenged the territorial integrity of Iran, and that caused 1 million deaths and billions of dollars worth of damage is a traitor.    

moftaki

He is on his summer vacation.  Last time I saw him he was deciding on his destination and was not sure if he should choose French Reverie or Camp Ashraf !

Wikipedia and accuracy!!!!!!

In the following article in Wikipedia, the article alleges that Saeed Imami who was involved in the chain murders was of Jewish backgound. !!!!!!!!!!!????? See the article:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_Emami

Biography

Emami was born in Abadeh, near Shiraz, Iran as Daniyal Ghavami in a wealthy family of Jewish background. In 1978, he moved to the United States with the help of his uncle, Soltan Mohammad Etemad, to pursue his studies in Mechanical Engineering.[2][3] After the Iranian Revolution, he returned and became involved in intelligence gathering. In 1984, when the Majlis of Iran (the Iranian Parliament) approved the establishment of the Ministry of Intelligence, he officially applied for a job, but was rejected by Saeed Hajjarian.[4] He later joined the ministry and became the deputy of the ministry during the tenure of Ali Fallahian.[5]

Many sources claimed that Emami was of Jewish origin,[4][4][6] but Ali Fallahian believes that "they just wanted to justify his arrest and torture".[7] According to Hamshahri, he was the first Holocaust denier in the Islamic Republic.[8]

Even the Wikipedia folks have problem with this :)

Dear Suri,

1. Some times, many of Wikipedia stuff are good. But in a serious debate, one can NOT rely upon the Wikipedia. Why? Because many could go and for propaganda purposes place false materials on it. The Wikipedia is NOT a scholarly or even reliable journalistic source.

2. On this issue, EVEN the Wikipedia on the top of the page issued the following warnings about the accuracy and reliability of the post:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view.

This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Please help to ensure that disputed facts are reliably sourced.

This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. (Consider using more specific clean up instructions.) Please improve this article if you can.

3. YOU had a problem with a very credible source which copies, scanned and posted the materials from the Tudeh Party's OWN words from its OWN publications.  But YOU are willing to accept that the PMOI used chemical bombs on Iranain cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is soooooooo ridiculous that no one would accet this.  No name of the city that the PMOI used chemical weapons on.  No dates.   Saddam used chemical bomb on Halancheh in Iraq and the whole world knows.  But the PMOI used chemical bombs on Iranian citices and no one knows about this.  No monuments to this alleged tragedy.  Do you see why the materials you posed from the wikipedia is not accepted by scholars, journalists, or anyone who is serious about these issues.

Best,

Masoud

Where are Hassan Daii's comments on this matter?

Why is he staying away at this time?

Dr. Kazemzadeh,

How about starting a rudimentary course in democracy on this site?

right from wikipedia

On December 14, 2006, Time Magazine published an article about PMOI and reported: "In 2003, French anti-terrorist police raided Maryam Rajavi's place in Auvers-sur-Oise, securing millions of euros and taking Maryam Rajavi and some of her collaborators into custody. Several of Rajavi's
followers set themselves on fire to protest her arrest, confirming
official French concerns about the cultish nature of the group."[81]

On September 14, 1981, Time Magazine
published an article about PMOI and reported: "The Mujahedin platform
focused on anticapitalist, anti-Western slogans. It demanded the
nationalization of all foreign businesses run by Iranians and
continuation of the anti-imperialist struggle, especially against the
U.S. Western intelligence sources doubt that the Mujahedin, though
superbly organized, have as many followers as they claim. "They are not a
popular movement," one analyst asserts. "Their ideology is not
understood by the masses. They are capable, of carrying out terror
operations but not of governing Iran.""[82]

On April 21, 1997, Time Magazine published an article about PMOI and reported:

says Michael Eisenstadt, an Iran expert at the Washington Institute
on Near East Policy. "If they were to achieve power, it is unlikely they
would give it up."[83]

On August 28, 1988, New York Times published an article that after CHEMICAL ATTACKS by PMOI against western Iranian cities, Alireza Jafarzadeh as then public spokesman for PMOI in the United States said:

The Mujahedeen claimed to have inflicted 40,000 Iranian casualties.[84]

In 1991, Maryam Rajavi as then leader of PMOI's army forces directly ordered the massacre of Iraqi Kurdish people

On July 13, 2003, New York Times published an article that in 1991 when Saddam Hussein used the PMOI and its tanks as advance forces to crush the Iraqi Kurdish people in the north and the Iraqi Shia people in the south, Maryam Rajavi as then leader of PMOI's army forces commanded:

On December 14, 2006, Time Magazine published an article about PMOI and reported: "By the mid-1980s, the group (PMOI) had cozied up to Saddam Hussein,
who provided them with funds and a compound, Camp Ashraf, north of
Baghdad. The U.S. government has accused the group of helping Saddam brutally put down Iraqi Kurdish people in the early 1990s, and of launching numerous attacks inside Iran."[81]

On January 05, 2009, Time Magazine published an article about PMOI and reported: "Despite its position on the U.S. terrorist list
since 1997, and reports by former members of abusive and cultlike
practices at Ashraf, the MEK has gathered support from some surprising
places abroad — especially since the U.S. invasion — by pitching itself
as a viable opposition to the mullahs in Tehran. "They have been
extremely clever and very, very effective in their propaganda and lobbying of members of Congress," says Gary Sick, a Persian Gulf expert at Columbia University's Middle East Institute and the author of All Fall Down: America's Tragic Encounter With Iran.
"They get all sorts of people to sign their petitions. Many times the
Congressmen don't know what they're signing." But others, Sick adds,
"are quite aware of the fact that this is a designated terrorist
organization, and they are quite willing to look the other way for a
group that they think is a democratic alternative to the Iranian
regime.""[86]

On May 18, 2005, Newsweek published an article about PMOI and reported: "Human Rights Watch
alleges that the Iranian exile group known as Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK)
has a history of cultlike practices that include forcing members to
divorce their spouses and to engage in extended self-criticism sessions.
More dramatically, the report states, former MEK members told Human Rights Watch
that when they protested MEK policies or tried to leave the
organization, they were arrested, in some cases violently abused and in
other instances imprisoned.

They were held in solitary confinement for
years in a camp operated by MEK in Iraq under the protection of Saddam Hussein. MEK representatives in the United States and France, where MEK is headquartered, did not respond to NEWSWEEK phone calls and an e-mail requesting comment.

The new Human Rights Watch report does allege strange and sometimes brutal behavior by the group's leaders and internal security apparatus. According to Human Rights Watch, following this 1988 military defeat, the Rajavi's leadership of MEK became increasingly authoritarian and cultlike.

According to an MEK defector's memoir, Rajavi
claimed to have a mystical relationship with a prophet known as Imam
Zaman, who is Shia Islam's version of the long-awaited Messiah. In order
to better cement their relationship with their leader, and hence
ultimately their Messiah, Rajavi then instructed his followers to divorce their spouses.

The group had already established a practice of "self criticism," under which members were asked to undergo their own personal "ideological revolution" by confessing personal inadequacies in cultlike confession sessions.

Human Rights Watch
says the testimony of former MEK prisoners paints a grim picture of how
the organization treated its members, particularly those who held
dissenting opinions or expressed an intent to leave the organization.
Other witnesses told Human Rights Watch claimed it was the practice of MEK interrogators to tie thick ropes around prisoners' necks and drag them along the ground. One witness told investigators: "Sometimes prisoners returned to the cell with extremely swollen necks--their head and neck as big as a pillow."

In a statement accompanying its investigative report, Joe Stork, a Human Rights Watch expert on the Middle East, commented:

Bavafa/Mehrdad, I ALREADY Provided the Answer

Bafava/Mehrdad,

Actually, I already answered your question on Friday. Here it is:

//iranian.com/main/blog/masoud-kazemzadeh/great-news-pmoi-and-terrible-news-terrorist-regimepage2

Bavafa: Lastly, if we are going with the premise and principals of all groups must be allowed to participate in the future of Iran, then we must afford the same openness to IRI leadership, including Sepah and Basij if we are to avoid act of a hypocrite. So, unless Mr. Kazemzadeh or other advocates are willing to openly campaign for the rights of IRI/Sepah leadership, he/they are applying their advocacy selectively and hypocritically.

MK: How the fundamentalist terrorists should be treated is a different matter than those in the opposition to the terrorist regime.

It really depends on how the terrorist regime is gone. If there is a gradual step by step transition to democracy in a negotiated manner, then the opposition groups could offer amnesty in exchange for free elections (as did occur in south Africa and to some extent in Chile). But if the terrorist regime is overthrown in a mass uprising, then the people will themselves hang the terrorist officials from the trees and lamp posts. If the terrorist regime is overthrown in a war then what happened to Saddam Hussein will happen to fundamentalist terrorists.

As a matter of fact, after the overthrow of the Shah, JM and a few members of Nehzat Azadi were the only ones who defended human rights and due process for the monarchists and even those who had committed crimes against humanity of the Iranian people.

If there is a gradual transition to democracy, we have no problem that hard-liners to participate in FREE and democratic elections. It is called "democracy vs. justice." Justice would require that all genocidal murders to be put on trial and punished. However, in order to have a non-violent transition to democracy, and have reconciliation, it is necessary to allow the mass murderers go free on the condition that they tell the whole truth and apologize. In South Africa it was carried out under the banner of "Truth and Reconciliation" commission by Desmond Tutu. This outcome was possible if Khatami had backbone and was willing to stand up to Khamenei. Unfortunately, Khatami chose to side with the nezam rather than fight for a transition to democracy. This scenarios (soft landing) occurred in the former USSR under Gorbachev.

MK: as a civil libertarian….

Will you defend the rights of IRI leadership, Sepah and other entities currently within IRI system?

"As a civil libertarian, I defend the civil liberties and political rights of those with whom I disagree"

I did ask you this question before (not exact same wording) which I did not get an answer.

So, would you afford and defend the civil liberties of the political rights of those you disagree with such as IRI hard core leadership?

You are welcome to use your YES/NO type response that you expected from others.

Souri Khanom,

I like your style of debate, way to go indeed.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Suri

Dear Suri,

As a civil libertarian, I defend the civil liberties and political rights of those with whom I disagree such as the PMOI, Tudeh Party, monarchists, Fadaian, Komele, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan.

To be for freedom, one has to defend the freedom of those one disagree with. As an Iranian democrat, I should defend the RIGHTS of those I oppose. As an Iranian democrat, I strongly oppose the ideologies, leadership and policies of dictatorial groups (monarchists, PMOI, Tudeh Party).

Best,

Masoud

I agree with Souri

Toudeh is ancient history now. We need to worry about now not 1950! 

Masoud

be khiale Toudeh Party, baba.

Stick to your MkO party.

For the moment, this is the one who needs your help!

Leave the Toude'y to the State departement of US !

Dont worry.

Suri on the Tudeh Party Collaboration with Khomeini and killing

Suri:  What does it have to my previous quesiton as to when and where the Toudeh party has done any terror, violence against the people of Iran, puting bomb and killing the Iranians?

MK:

Dear Suri, this is the quote that we are talking about:

5. If one accepts that the PMOI is a terrorist entity, then based on that principle, the State Department should also list Komele, Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Tudeh Party, Fadaian-Minority, Fadaian-Majority, and monarchists (which have used violence against Iranians before and after the revolution), on the same list.

I was telling you that the U.S. government regards the Tudeh Party was a zillion times worse than either the IRI or the PMOI. The Reagan administration gave the list of the names of Tudeh Party and Fadaian-Majority to the IRI. And they is WHY the leaders and members of the Tudeh and Fadaian-Majority were arrested, tortured, and executed. The FTOs list is made by the US government’s State Department.

On the UGLY role of Tudeh Party in collaborating with Khomeini when Khomeini was mass killing the Iranian people, mass torture, and mass rape I ALREADY posted the DOCUMENTS. I thought that it was established that the Tudeh Party was a collaborator of Khomeini and strongly supporting Khomeini and attacking liberal democrats and Marxist forces which were struggling against Khomeini. I did not think it was necessary to repeat those documents. But now that you insist, here are the documents on the collaboration of Tudeh Party with Khomeini.

Also Tudeh party was established by Stalin to serve his interests during WWII. The Shah’s regime said that the assassination of him was carried out by a Tudeh Party member. It is also alleged that the Tudeh Party killed its own member.

YOU have a positive view of the Tudeh Party. The US government does not. In my opinion, most Iranians despise the Tudeh Party.

Best,

Masoud

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Documents on the support of Tudeh Party for Khomeini dictatorship and attacking liberal democrats and leftist forces

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/jomhoori.html

Tudeh Party attacks the leftist forces who opposed Khomein; Tudeh Party calls them united with imperialists counter-revolutionaries : (see the 8th from the top):

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

full support for Khomeini (see the 11th from the top)

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

also see the 12th, 14th, and 15th,

the 16th from the top: attacking pro-democracy forces writing that we were united with US imperialists

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

Tudeh viciously attacked Ayatollah Shariatmadari’s party (18th)

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

attacking other Marxists in the 20th from the top:

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

Attacking liberal democrats, leftists and accusing us all of working for imperialism.

The last one

//www.golshan.com/asnaad/toodeh/html/chap.html

Souri

Way to go!

Bavafa jan. I meant Masoud Rajavi

That is just a rumor. Many think Masoud Rajavi is still alive.

Anahid jaan: Which Massoud are you talking about

Rumors has it Massoud Rajavi has escaped justice by living this world, but then again that is only rumors.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Dear Souri

Thanks for the update as I said my information is 30 year old! They don't ask citizens anything. Last time I got in was through Miami. They just had us open our passports and wave them to some guy behind a window!

dear VPK

Before the colapse of the USSR, each time we were to enter to US even with a French passport, we had to answer to that question : are/ were you  member of a communist party? along with some other questions about bringing foods and vegetable and arms into US.

After that time, they have removed that question. This was almost 20 years ago.

No limit on how low Maryam and Masoud can go.

really no limit.