دسیسۀ سبز

هیچ سندی یا رویدادی نمیتواند چهره فریبکار متفکران نواندیش مذهبی را بیشتر از "هشدارهای کلیدی" شبکه جنبش راه سبز (جرس) افشا کند


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دسیسۀ سبز
by LalehGillani
17-Feb-2010
 

در پیچ و خم دنیای سیاست ایران، دردناک تر از سکوت عالمان، دشوارتر از گناه هم خونان، غمناک تر از خیانت یاران و دلخراش تر از همدستی گستاخان، دسیسۀ سبز شیران کاغذی میهن است. این روزها، در میان هیاهوی وعده ها و خواسته ها، پیشنهادها و برنامه ها، معجون مسخرۀ "دمکراسی هدایت شده" یا "دمکراسی حداقلی" نسخۀ اسلامی دیگری است که مدعیان اصلاح طلبی حکومت ملاهان برای "مستضفان" به تنگ آمده پیچیده اند و جاهلانه به عنوان متفکر نواندیش مذهبی، ملت را دوباره به بیراه کشیده اند.

وارثان ایدئولوژی دکتر علی شریعتی ابلهانه راه نجات میهن را پریروز در ظهور امام غایب دیدند، دیروز در پیروی از خط امام جستند و امروز از سایه بان سیدان سبزگستر طلب میکنند. حلال زادۀ حجله اخیر این آقایان روشنفکر با مراجع تقلید، دسیسۀ سبز است و دسته گل نورسیده، اصلاح طلبی استبداد مذهبی می باشد.


گذشته ای سرخ و سیاه

از ابتدا، روشنفکران مذهبی ایران از میان فعالین خیابانی بودند که هویت اسلامی انقلاب را برنامه ریزی کرده و پایه گذاران نظام خودکامۀ ملاهان به شمار میایند. پس از انقلاب، با بنیان گذاری خط امام و مشارکت و حمایت از آن خط، به سیاست حذف گروهای غیر وابسته پرداخته و در اورگانهای دولت همدستان جلادان رژیم بودند. سازمان اطلاعات ایران زادۀ بذر شیران کاغذی میهن است و مسئولیت انقلاب فرهنگی و تصفیه و پاکسازی استادان و دانشجویان "غیر خودی" از مراکز علم و دانش و هنر ایران بر دوش این آقایان سنگینی میکند.

بعلاوه، برخلاف اشتیاق نویافته اشان برای حق و آزادی، رهبران جنبش اصلاح طلب پشتیبان همان جنایتکاران مذهبی هستند که در قتل عام زندانیان سیاسی در دهه شصت نقش عمده ای بازی کردند. در واقع، هدف اساسی نخبگان "دمکراسی حداقلی،" نجات ملت از جور اقتدارگی مذهب و برقراری حکومت ملی، بدون قید و بند دینی، نمیباشد. در گذشته، اگر سرکوب دشمنان اسلام، سانسور قلم و گفتار ضد اسلامی و سرزنش کردار غیر اسلامی مورد تائید شیران کاغذی میهن بود، فراخوان "دمکراسی هدایت شده" نمیتواند بیش از آزادی مطلق مسلمین روشنفکر در ضرب و شتم "غیر خودی ها" باشد. بر این مبنا، دسیسه گران سبز قادر به هدایت اعتراضات کنونی بسوی تحولی بنیادی نیستند.

بنابراین معمای اختلاف کنونی آنان با حکومت روحانیان چه هست؟ چرا دست در دست جلادان منبر، قتل جان و غارت مال ملت دیگر مجاز نیست؟ چرا مدینه فاضلۀ متفکران نواندیش مذهبی به کورۀ جهنم آنان تبدیل گشته است؟ چرا به بن بست کنونی با ولایت فقیه رسیده اند و چگونه راه نجاتی برای اسلام خود میجویند؟


خودی ها و غیر خودی ها

آغاز اختلافات اصلاح طلبان با اصولگرایان رژیم اغلب به دوم خرداد 1376 ردیابی شده و وابسته به ریاست جمهوری سید محمد خاتمی تلقی میشود. در واقع، چنین نمائی تحولات دهۀ شصت و هفتاد و شکل گیری قدم به قدم حکومت مستبد اسلامی را در این دوران کاملا نادیده میگیرد.

ظهور جناح اصلاح طلبی در رژیم جمهوری اسلامی ایران بیش از هر چیز معلول محیط خفقان و رعب و وحشت شهروندان از روحانیت حاکم بود. در حالیکه هر گونه زمزمۀ سیاسی و اجتماعی فقط از درون حکومت و از زبان "خودی ها" تحمل میشد، "غیرخودی ها" را به فعالیت در انجمن های اسلامی جذب کرده و ریشه تناقض را در آرمانهای نظام مستقر نموده است.

همچنانکه "غیرخودی ها" فعالیتهای سیاسی و مدنی خود را گسترده تر کردند و توده های مردم از دست رژیم مستبد به تنگ آمدند، شیران کاغذی میهن نگران تر گشته و بزودی به این نتیجه رسیدند که خطری فراگیر نهاد انقلاب و حکومت اسلامی را تهدید میکند.


سبزها در آپازیسیون

علیرغم تجربه تلخ سه دهۀ اخیر، متفکران نواندیش مذهبی هنوز سجده به درگاه حکومت دین میکنند و طالب مقام نظارت مذهب بر قدرت هستند. سی سال ظلم و جفای مسلمین، روشنفکران مذهبی را نگران سرنوشت اسلام در ایران کرده است و با دست پاچگی، به دنبال اثبات بیگناهی دین و هنوز در پی "تولد دوباره اسلام" و بازشناسی "هویت ایرانی اسلامی" خود، دسیسۀ سبز را بنیاد گذاشته اند.

روشنفکران مذهبی میهن دوازده سال است که تلاش کرده اند تا با مسالمت، چهره دمکراسی را بر نمای استبداد دینی جهل کنند. ولیکن همانند ریاست جمهوری سید محمد خاتمی شکست خورده اند. در عوض، در چند ماه گذشته، با حضور گستردۀ انجمن های اسلامی در صحنۀ مخالفت با ریاست جمهوری احمدی نژاد و فعالیت عظیم و سازمان دادۀ آنان در انتخابات اخیر و تظاهرات متعاقب، متفکران نواندیش مذهبی جاعلان نهضت سبز بر سیمای دسیسۀ خود گشته اند.

اگرچه حضور شیران کاغذی میهن در صحنۀ سیاست ایران پدیدۀ تازه ای نیست، اهداف کنونی آنان هنوز برای ملت ما نهان است. این روزها، وظیفه درمان "مرض بی مذهبی" میان ایرانیان و خصوصاً جوانان میهن، جلوگیری از بازگشت آئین باستان یکتاپرستی، مهارکردن عداوت ایرانیان با سیدان، ابقا تسلط اسلام در زندگی روزانۀ ملت، ترمیم و بازسازی نظام کنونی و همچنین تطهیر چهرۀ گناهکار مسلمین، روشنفکران مذهبی میهن را، دست بر سر زنان، دگر بار به عرصۀ سیاست آپازیسیون پرتاب کرده است.

اخیرا بخش عمده ای از گروه های اسلامی در آپازیسیون به رهبری شیران کاغذی میهن وقت و انرژی خود را صرف "ایران نمایی" کرده اند و خود را وارث تمدن اجداد ما اظهار میکنند. هرگونه انتقاد از اعراب متجاوز، تلقین دین اسلام بر قوم عجم و پذیرش آن از جانب تبار آریا، توهین و اهانت به هوش و بینش ایرانیان باستان مجسم میشود. گذشته از این، کلیه تضاد میان تمدن پارسی و فرهنگ اسلامی به سرعت، تبعیض نژادی جلوه داده میشود و مورد انتقاد شدید قرار میگیرد.


طناب سبز

هم زمان با گسترش ناآرامی در سراسر کشور، هیچ سندی یا رویدادی نمیتواند چهره فریبکار متفکران نواندیش مذهبی را بیشتر از "هشدارهای کلیدی" شبکه جنبش راه سبز (جرس) افشا کند. در حالی که رشادت ملت در رویارویی با نیروهای انتظامی وسعت گرفته و ایرانیان دلیر در تظاهرات از خود دفاع کرده اند، شیران کاغذی میهن نگران سناریوسازی صدا و سیما بر علیه سبزها می باشند و از تکرار اشتباهاتی همانند پاره کردن تصویر امام خمینی در "کارناوال عاشورا" هشدار میدهند.

انگار تجاوز به جوانان ایران در زندانهای رژیم، زیر گرفتن معترضان توسط خودروی پلیس و دوباره رد شدن از روی پیکر بی جان آنان، تیراندازی به قلب پاک و بیگناه ندای ایران، و بازداشت و شکنجۀ شهروندان، به ملت ظلم کشیده ما حق پاره کردن عکس رهبر جلادان حکومت را نمیدهد. ولیکن درد متفکران نواندیش مذهبی نه این است و نه آن. حفظ حرمت امام خمینی و جلوۀ احترام بی قید و بند به قصاب پیر، برای شیران کاغذی میهن مهم تر از دادخواهی ملت است. هرگونه جسارت به پیشوای نظام اسلامی باعث محنت و عذاب این آقایان روشنفکر میشود و بر اعتبار و آبروی سبز آنان در برابر چشمان امت مسلمین لطمه وارد میکند.

در حالیکه شعارهای جمعیت در تظاهرات چند ماه گذشته از اصلاح طلبی گذشته است و حکایت از روند براندازی رژیم و بنا نهادن حکومتی ملی و ایرانی را دارد، شیران کاغذی میهن مضطربانه فهرست شعارهای "متین و محترمانۀ" خود را در روز 21 بهمن 1388 انتشار میدهند. حتی با نگاهی مختصر و مرور سریع شعارهای توصیه شده، مشخص میشود که هدف دسیسۀ سبز رام کردن نهضت افسار گسیخته ملت ایران است.

در عین حال، اعمال دسیسه گران سبز دلالت بر بی میلی آنان به مقابله با نظام را دارد. متفکران نواندیش مذهبی به دنبال افزایش فشار بر حکومت خودکامۀ اسلامی نیستند. گسترش تظاهرات و برنامه ریزی برای اعتصابات متداول در سراسر کشور، در چهارچوب دسیسۀ سبز نمیگنجد. از اینرو، هرگونه برخورد خشونت آمیز با رژیم چندین تأثیر ناخواسته بر سیمای سبز شیران کاغذی میهن خواهد داشت.

از جایی که، به نقل فرماندۀ نیروهای انتظامی ایران، "دورۀ مدارا" با تظاهرات اتمام یافته است، آغاز اعتصابات باعث گسترش برخوردهای خیابانی خواهد شد و ملت دادخواه ایران را بر علیه نظام جنایتکار تحریک خواهد کرد. بویژه، اگر روند انقلابی نهضت افزایش یابد، پایه های حکومت اسلامی ضعیف گشته و نوید سقوط نظام را با خود به همراه خواهد آورد. دریغا اگر تاریخ نویسان، گناه متلاشی شدن آخرین حکومت اسلامی در ایران را به گردن متفکران نواندیش مذهبی بیندازند.

در انتها، هم چنانکه اصولگرایان رژیم ریسۀ دار فرزندان میهن را آماده میکنند، اصلاح طلبان سبز وفادارن نظام باقی میمانند و در پی مهارکردن توفان خشم ملت، وعدۀ عدالت اسلامی را به ما میدهند. از زخم فشار استبداد قرون وسطائی بر گلوی ملت ایران هنوز خون میچکد.

چه فرقی میکند اگر طناب سبز باشد یا سرخ و سیاه...

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منابع
هشدارهای کلیدی برای راهپیمائی 22 بهمن – ویرایش نهایی، جنبش راه سبز (جرس)
//www.rahesabz.net/story/9854/

تولد دوباره اسلام، دکتر علی شریعتی، بنیاد فرهنگی دکتر علی شریعتی
//drshariati.org/show.asp?id=98

پلیس ایران: دوره مدارا با مخالفان تمام شد
//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2009/12/091230_o...


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Mammad

Mehrban

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Let me respond to your good question, in place of my friend marhoum kharmagas, whom I have never met, but truly admire.

A nationlist-religious person in Iran is a Muslim who believes in Iranian nationalism (note that some Islamic thinkers believe that Islam does not encourage nationalism), and is typically to the left of the political spectrum.

For example, Jonbesh-e Mosalmaanaan-e Mobaarez (Movement of Militant Muslims) is one such group. It is an Islamic leftist group with its roots in the 1940s. Mohandes Ezatollah Sahabi and his commrades also are NR. In fact, Sahabi leads the Nationlist-Religious Coalition.

Note that the fact that Nationalist comes first is not accidental. The NRC rejects velaayat-e faghih, and believes in a democratic republic.

Mammad


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Enough slogans!

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So, the 85% people who voted are still considered pawns, and were wrong to vote? Only you, who from the comfort of your home in the West posts hot air on this site, understood that voting was being a "pawn." Huh!

The struggle for democracy is only in its infancy? Have you ever read Iran's history? There has been a 150 years of struggle for democracy, but to you it is in its infancy? I guess, for you the clock began last spring!

Regarding Mousavi: First of all, if Mousavi did commit a crime, it was known long before you "exposed" him. Such things are revelations only to novices like you who live in fantasy land and do not know the first word about the past 30 years, despite all the screams of knowledge. The only thing your type know Laleh is slogans.

Secondly, first read Mousavi's profile here:

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/02/the-political-evolution-of-mousavi.html

And, if you do not believe it, then read Dr. Abbas Milani's profile of Mousavi in New Republic (in English) or on Roozonline (in Farsi): 

//www.roozonline.com/persian/opinion/opinion-article/article/2010/february/18//-40b2568a63.html

Milani cannot certainly be accused of being an "Islamist" and pro-IRI. Read the glowing terms by which Milani describes Mousavi and his wife, Dr. Zahra Rahnavard. Two independent articles, posted on the same day, by two very different people with completely different views, saying almost exactly the same thing about Mousavi. I am certainly proud of the man and the depth of his conviction. But, in your case, you do not know the first word about Mousavi and Rahnavard.

I sincerely suggest that you try to learn about Iran's history without a lense, and particularly about the IRI history, before you post your next blog. I am not trying to pick on you, but giving you a shot of reality. You certainly have the talent to write meaningful articles.

Mammad

 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

This thread...

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represents a few who are well read, know their facts and history vs
those who are mere idelogues and as Mammad said, full of hot air.


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Marhoom Kharmagas

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what is a progressive melli mazhabi and what does he/she believe in?  


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The Alliance for Secular Democracy

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Mammad wrote, “So, who are the leaders, if not those in Iran? Sazegara? Makhmalbaf? Reza Pahlavi? None has any base of support, despite too much claims. In Laleh's fantasies "people will choose their leaders!" How? Silence!

Our nation’s struggle for freedom and democracy is still in its infancy. As the movement purges the reformists’ vision out, political groups and activists will build an alliance around the notion of secular democracy. This process is already underway.

The murmurs are heard throughout Iran. Even political activists who had initially bought into the reformists' agenda have begun questioning the feasibility of its future.

Please note that the nation is no longer searching for a savior. Instead, Iran’s political activists must and will fill in the gap until the alliance emerges…


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I agree Mammad

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As you may know I am as mortad as it gets and long before I became mofsede fe-l samaavaat (i.e., marhoum) I was a mortad, mohaareb, and mofsede fe-l arz, all at the same time (1980s Iran). Having said all that, I trust progressive melli mazhabi Iranians more than any other group .... sure they made mistakes, who didn't!? As for these secularist-haaye amricaee:

laaf dar diaare ghorbato,

**** dar baazaare mesgaraan

(Esfahani rephrase of what you said)


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Mammad wrote, “In particular, Laleh is simply hot air and no substance. She sheds crocodile tears for the same 85% of the people who voted and she called them "pawns," without ever apologizing for it, or even admitting that she was wrong.”

During the most recent elections, I neither supported Mir Hossein Mousavi nor Ahmadinejad. I exposed Mousavi’s past and his role in the mass executions of 1988 during which he was the prime minister. In addition, I believed (and still do) that participation in an election whose candidates must pass a litmus test to qualify for running is a sham.

In an article, I explained and repeat myself again: It is not possible to morph a theocracy into a democracy. Those who advocate it are fooling our nation, again.

I refused to become a pawn in the hands of the reformists and still do. Those who voted for Mousavi having bought his flawed vision felt quiet bad (to put it mildly) after the votes were counted by an oppressive government…

There is neither a need for an apology nor admission of guilt. I was right: A theocracy can not be morphed into a democracy through theatrical elections. The result of the election proved this…


Mammad

Marhoum-e Kharmagas

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Marhoum jaan:

Thanks for bringing the clip to my attention, which I had not seen.

First of all, the meeting took place AFTER the universities were closed, which again confirms what I said, that Soroush never advocated closing the universities and the so-called CR (even in the clip he says that, "after Imam and students wanted it"). It also confirmed one other thing, that Dr. Hassan Habibi (Khatami's first VP in his first term) was the other moderate member of that Council. Jalaloddin Farsi, for example, was a right-wing reactionary who killed someone and was never prosecuted for it.

Secondly, Soroush has never denied that he was a member of the Council. He has said he reluctantly agreed to do it because he wanted to moderate the destruction that the Council would bring. That he refers to "Imam" and others is not surprising, because he had to operate within the confines of the situation in which he had been put in. What can we expect of him to say in a nationally televised TV program: That this SOB Imam and those bas.... students wanted this, so we are going to do it?

But, let's say that Soroush did a lot of things wrong while on the council. At some point, he will have to respond. But, as a purely practical matter, without such people, who do we have as leaders? In fact, the best is when distinguished and respected Islamic scholars like Soroush (even with a chekered past, if that is case) come out and say Islam and government must be completely separated. It is best when people who have been in the system turn against it. 

So, who are the leaders, if not those in Iran? Sazegara? Makhmalbaf? Reza Pahlavi? None has any base of support, despite too much claims. In Laleh's fantasies "people will choose their leaders!" How? Silence!

But, the point of all of my comments on this blog is this:

These people live in a fantasy land. As Dariush Homayoun, a monarchist himself, said recently, "without the Green Movement, what do we have in Iran?" But these fantasizers believe that the movement in Iran can advance without the support of progressive Islamic groups, or people such as Mousavi.

In particular, Laleh is simply hot air and no substance. She sheds crocodile tears for the same 85% of the people who voted and she called them "pawns," without ever apologizing for it, or even admitting that she was wrong. In her fantasies, she thinks that there is a democratic movement, and then there is a Green movement, so by attacking the Greens she can promote the other one. That is sheer fantasy.

People like Laleh think that if they post a piece of hot air on iranian.com and the usual culprits "bah bah va chah chah konand," that implies that, (i) they are political activists, and (ii) their fantasy is reality.

These people do not have the courage to admit what is obvious. That the target of all this hot air and fantasy is Islam and Muslims. So, if a Muslim political figure with an impecable past comes forward, they would still moan and groan. They are so detached from reality that is truly astonishing.

Mammad


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گناه دسیسه گران سبز: توجیه و تصدیق استبداد

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همکاری و مشارکت در جنایات رژیم روزی در دادگاه باید اثبات شده و به دست قانون، گناهگاران باید مجازات شوند. تا آن روز فرا رسد، جر و بحث در مورد نقش و محکومیت آنان بی نتیجه است.

ولیکن، مسئولیت توجیه و تصدیق استبداد کنونی و حمایت مکرر از نظام انکار ناپذیر است. در نتیجه، روشنفکران نواندیش مذهبی ایران اثبات کرده اند که دید و بصیرت ضروری را برای هدایت نهضت آزادی خواه ملت ایران ندارند.

اعتقادات و کردار این آقایان حکایت از عدم تحمل و مدارا با "غیر خودی ها" میکند. اصول اسلامی در تار و پود آنان ریشه دارد و به آنان اجازه هم زیستی با "غیر خودی ها" را در عرصه سیاست و حکومت نمیدهد.


marhoum Kharmagas

regarding Soroush (to Mammad)

by marhoum Kharmagas on

Mammad, not that I remotely agree with these secularist-haaye amricaee (David ET, Jamshid, Laleh Gillani, VPD, COP, Vildee,.....and rest of them), but here is a clip about Soroush and cultural revolution which you may not have seen:

//iranian.com/main/2009/mar/cultural-revo...


Mammad

More Hot Air!

by Mammad on

As I said, the debate is no longer about your rants and hot air, not about your so-called plan, but about these people. All right, let's take them one by one. Your source of information is well known, but you conveniently do not want to mention it because it would immediately discredit the whole thing!

Sourosh was a member of the Cultural REvolution Council. The other two, to my knowledge, are bogus.

The accusation that Soroush advocated cultural revolution before it happened, or took part in it, has been made infinite number of times. But, no one, at least to my knowledge, has shown a piece by Soroush in which he advocated it.

Yes, he was a member of the Council. But, go to Wikipedia to see who else were the members of the Council. Except for Soroush and one other person, ALL OF THEM were right-wing and reactionaries. Soroush has said many times that he did not want to be part of the Council, and the only reason that he stayed on was exactly because he wanted to do his best to prevent the Council from further destruction. I have no reason to disbelieve him. The very fact that he is internationally recognized and respected as a distinguished Islamic scholar only goes to show his position.

Ganji: Except the last two (that I mentioned myself), the rest, to my knowledge, are lies.

Hajjarian: Correct. But, so what? Being advisor to Mohammad Khatami means what? He was a partner to Khatami's "crimes?" Hajjarian never did anything while Khatami's advisor! Being head of Center for Strategic Studies means what? It is just a center for political studies. So, working in an academic setting is also an offense?

Mohajerani: All of them correct. But, again, so what? What crimes did he commit? Just being in the government?

Abdi: The first two, to my knowledge, are lies. The third is like Hajjarian. The fourth is an OFFENSE? Being a member of a political group is an offense? Is IIPF a governmental organization, anyway? That just goes to show how much you know!

Besides, suppose everything is correct. Show the specific offense. If working for a government, dictatorial or otherwise, is an offense, then the entire political establishment of the Pahlavi era committed the same "sins." The entire political establishment of the US also participated in G.W. Bush's crime of invading Iraq and breaking the law at home. Right?

But, as I said before, that is not the criterion. The criterion is what offense they committed.

You can fool some people with your hot air, but not people like me who know every detail of Iran's contemporary history, including the entire history of the IRI, and every personality in it and their history.

Mammad


LalehGillani

چکیده ای از گذشتۀ سبزها در مقام قدرت

LalehGillani


عبدالکریم سروش
عضویت در ستاد انقلاب فرهنگی به دستور امام خمینی
علمدار آئین نامه پاکسازی دانشگاهای ایران
علمدار تعطیلی دانشگاها و باز کردن آنها به "نحوی پیراسته‌تر و اسلامی‌تر"

اکبر گنجی
یکی از بنیان گذاران وزارت اطلاعات ایران
عضویت در شورای عالی انقلاب فرهنگی
عضویت در نهاد اطلاعات نخست وزیری
عضویت در سپاه پاسداران
رابط فرهنگی سفارت ایران در ترکیه

سعید حجاریان
جزو موسسین وزارت اطلاعات ایران
نایب رئیس شورای اسلامی شهر تهران
مشاور سیاسی رئیس جمهور (سید محمد خاتمی)
ریاست سازمان مطالعات استراتژیک
عضو دفتر مرکزی حزب جبهه مشارکت ایران اسلامی

عطاالله مهاجرانی
معاون رئیس جمهور در دولت هاشمی رفسنجانی
نمایندۀ شیراز در دوره اول مجلس شورای اسلامی
وزیر فرهنگ و ارشاد اسلامی
عضو شورای مرکزی حزب کارگزاران سازندگی

عباس عبدی
عضویت در نهاد اطلاعات خارجی دفتر اطلاعات و تحقیقات نخست وزیری
معاونت سیاسی دادستان کل کشور
معاون فرهنگی مرکز تحقیقات استراتژیک ریاست جمهوری
عضو شورای مرکزی جبهه مشارکت ایران اسلامی


Fred

Dream on!

by Fred on

If the nuke lobbyist thinks his explaining away, Islamist style, all the crimes committed by all “spectrum” of the Islamist Rapists during the past thirty one years, he got another think coming. Then again nothing else can be expected of the disciples of the charlatan Ali Shariati.  


Mammad

Davit ET

by Mammad on

All right. The subject is no longer the pure rants - considered a beautiful blog by some - by Laleh. Ok, the subject is no longer Laleh's so-called action plan because, alas, as it turns out, it is just hot air, not a plan!

Now, the subject is what you quoted me on, which is, of course, what I said and believe in. This is worthy of debate, to which I respond. I do not respond to others' mumbo jumbo, and the insult by the usual culprit.

Before, I respond to your comment, let me point out something: I believe that the Shah was terrible and had to be overthrown. Before anyone jumps on this, let me say that this is not the subject of the discussion. But the point is: Did I believe that anyone who worked within the Shah's dictatorial rule was a criminal? Absolutely not. To the contrary, there were too many patriots, except that the ultimate authority - the decider in G.W. Bush's terminology - was not listening to them. The same is true for any dictatorship.

So, now, the mistake that you and people like you make is that you put all the people that have worked within the IRI system in one basket and label them Islamic fundamentalist. This is of course easy and convenient.

But, not only is this not true - far from it, in fact - but also goes to show how ill-informed you are (I mean no disrespect), and also defies political science, social science, and Iran's contemporary history. With one stroke of your pen (or your finger as you typed) you managed to do all that!

Like any country Iran has a political spectrum. In fact, Iran has two of them not one, one for the secular forces, one for Islamic groups. I focus on the latter that is the subject of our discussions.

The Islamic spectrum includes ultra-right reactionaries, traditional right-wing conservatives, modern rightists (right-wing techcrats), centrists, traditional left, and modern leftists (social democrats). You cannot put all of them in one basket.

But, putting them or not putting them in one basket is not the most important issue. The most important issue is that if you review all the crimes, executions, and known cases of corruption, you will find that they were all committed by the ultra-right reactionaries and the conservative right wingers. The centrists and the left had no role in them.

ALL the Ministers of Intelligence - Rayshahri, Fallahian, Dorri Najafabadi, Yunesi, Mohseni Ejei, and Moslehi (the present one) - have been students of Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, the leader of the ultra-reactionaries. The judiciary has always been controlled by the conservative right wings. The IRGC has always been controlled by the right-wing commanders. All the Bonyaads, that control vast fortunes, have always been controlled by the reactionaries and right wingers. Where are the centrists and leftists here?

As examples, just consider the followings among the gentlemen photoed:

Aghajari fought in Iran-Iraq. After losing a leg, he got his Ph.D. and has been an academic. He has never held a position within the IRI. He is a social democrat and a devout muslim (like yours truly).

Abadi took part in the hostage crisis, but after that ended, he has never ever held any position within the IRI. He was the editor of Iran's first reformist newspaper, Salaam, from 1991-1999.

Ganji left the IRGC because he was threatened after he protested the atrocities that were being done by the IRGC. Even when he was with IRGC, he was in the cultural not military part. He was a cultural attache in Iran's embassy in Turkey, and then has never held a job with the IRI.

Hajjarian played an important role in founding of Ministry of Intelligence. But he did it to counter spying by the MKO and others during the war with Iraq. In fact, he was deputy Minister for counter-intelligence and left immediately after the war. Since then he has never held a position, aside being a member of Tehran's city Council, when they wanted to assassinate him.

Behzad Nabavi was the hostage negotiator, then Minister of Heavy industry in Mousavi's cabinet. He never held any military, intelligence, or judiciary post. After Mousavi left the government, so did also Nabavi. Aside from being in the 6th Majles, he has never had a job with the government.

I can go one and on and on. EVERY single ione of the reformists that are in jail now have similar histories. It is utterly unfair to label them as anything other than patriots who have done their best to serve their country. As I said, we cannot scream about the Stalinist show trials without mentioning the main victims!!

Yes, it is easy to put all the Islamic grous in one basket. But, that is a great disservice to the nation and to the people. I deeply believe that it is absolutely impossible to establish a democratic political system in Iran without the support of the Islamic groups at the center and and on the left. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling himself/herself, or lives in a parallel universe disconnected from ours.

Mammad


areyo barzan

Well, mamad!

by areyo barzan on

Lets turn the question around.

Why don’t you tell us what is your plan Mr know it all?. Is it Following Mosavi to another hell or may be to hand your country to US by inviting foreign troops and have another Iraq and Afghanistan on our hand or may be you are just happy with the state of status quo and enjoy or profit from living under the IRR.

 

At least laleh has a vision and got some important principals right, which is much more than it could be said about you.

Too often we Iranian rushed into a “plan” without first knowing what we really want what is the aim and more importantly what is good for us. The mayhem of 1979 was a shiny example of such blunder.

What the writer is trying to do here is to get the readers open their eyes and get their priorities right. Do not follow some one just for the sake of following. Know what you want, understand who you are dealing with, define your goal and get your priorities right. Perhaps most important of all do not let yourself to be used as an instrument of other people’s and country’s objectives.

In my opinion these are fundamentals of a healthy movement which could eventually lead to success and democracy. Now, if you do not regard these points as important foundation and essentials to be got right before starting any action then I am afraid you have more problems with your analysis and principals than I though so


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Well said

by rain bow movment on

Dear Laleh

these criminal as you point it out are part of IRI Gang,they were with IRI tugh from the first day, they committed lots of atrocity and now they become democrat,nationalist.

we have seen in mafia type organization some individual turn back against the mafia boss and build their own circle.

but these mob have a mission ,not to turn back against their master but to deceive ordinary people and save their master .or in best senario going back to Iran victoruios after the downfall of dictator. and this time looting the country differently in differnt position,I wonder how all of them were anti west ,and now how do they live in western country and what is their deal whit these country and how they get a viza.

these mob (aghajari,hajarian,abdi,ganji,nabavi, khatami dallal soroush khaen,mohajerani , mohmalbaf)

 are no differnt to the member of a mafia character.

religeon is a very personal matter and no religion  have advantage over the other one.

our bigest enemy are so called (mollayane kot shalvari).


David ET

Mammad

by David ET on

The atrocities of Khomeini/ IR with liberals and seculars  started from the early days of Taleghani/Shariatmadari/Bazargan/jebheh Meli/etc etc

The liberals and seculars have been cleaned off the Iranian map for 31 years way way way before now and of course as revolutions eat their children now its the turn of the same ones who were involved in that clean-up or were silence to it at best and now that they too have become victims , they still do not realize that they were many victims way before them, and when themselves were part of system or victimizing.

Of course if you feed a monster it eventually becomes your turn to be eaten but the monster has existed for 31 years and still doing what it was doing then: , arrests, imprisonments, tortures, rapes and executions.

What Laleh Gilani says in this article is not much different than one of your own comments more than a year ago here on Iranian,com when you wrote:

"Yes, Islamic fundamentalists think that we should have an Islamic government, but they are in the minority. The reason that I believe religion, and in particular my religion, should be a private matter is that, once you mix ideology with governing a nation , you get disaster. We saw it in the Soviet Union, in China, and now in Iran. This is as simple as 2+2=4." 

I don't know what your position was for 29 years before that but that doesn't matter now but the fact is that most of these so called Islamic Intellectuals not until too long ago and many of them still now are in support of "  mix ideology with governing a nation" and now they are victims of their own created "disaster". Just read the latest nonsense about "religious democracy and pluralism. The likes of Mousavi and Khatami to this date praise Khomenei and want to maintain the Islamic Republic constitution which is nothing but a prescription to the "disaster" that we have experienced for the pats 30 years.

Secular Democracy is the only way to our salvation today.  

                          Visit: www.iransecular.org


LalehGillani

When Did the Atrocities Begin?

by LalehGillani on

Mammad wrote: “Of course, let's scream to the world that there are Statlinist show trials in Iran, but hey, let's be quiet about who the main victims of the Stalinist trials are: MOSTLY THE REFORMIST LEADERS AND ORGANIZERS, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ORGANIZED THE PAWN TO STAGE AN UPRISING and THE SAME PEOPLE WHOM WE ARE SAVAGELY ATTACKING!!! “

From your point of view, the regime’s atrocities began when the leaders of the reformist movement became the target of the mullahs’ wrath. This observation is simply delusional.

The arrests, rapes, and torturing of the political prisoners began shortly after the revolution and never stopped. The mass executions of 1988 were launched by putting the opponents of the regime on trial to determine whether they “qualified” to be named as the enemies of Islam. Of course, none of these victims were from the reformists’ lot, and the green darlings didn’t care to voice their opposition then or now.

By the way, the screaming is coming from your camp. The screaming began when the reformist leaders were put on trial by their own brethren…

I simply watch and marvel at the hand that dishes out justice…


LalehGillani

The Green Monsters

by LalehGillani on

Mammad wrote, “Just look at the gentlemen pictured… How many of your type Laleh have done a tiny fraction of what these guys have done?”

The gentlemen that you defend are nothing but monsters. After the revolution, they became the regime’s watchmen in Iran’s universities, media, art, and movie industries (just to name a few) purging every ounce of vibrant and secular thought from each and every institution. They hailed regime’s campaign of terror against teachers, students, women, and minorities and participated in oppressing Iran’s political groups.

The gentlemen who are pictured have reaped what they have sown by their own hands:

The same intelligent agency that they founded and built so diligently turned around against them. Saeed Hajjarian was targeted by none other than his own lot. The same regime that they killed for has come after them. Every single one of them…

These gentlemen not only masterminded the hunt for the opposition, they also directed the operations step by step from the ground. Once they were assured that the opposition groups have been adequately neutralized, they began their infamous second revolution and targeted Iran’s institutions of higher education.

Meanwhile, your beloved Mohsen Makhmalbaf was pursuing his career in the cinema. In Shiraz’s Adel Abad prison, he directed his first master piece by torturing and tormenting political prisoners and capturing their unbearable pain through his lenses. The movie was named Boycott.

To answer your question, I am proud to admit that no one of my type has done a tiny fraction of what these guys have done.


Artificial Intelligence

Mr. Mammad

by Artificial Intelligence on

Before the June 6th elections your were a stauch defender of the "IRI can and should change from within" solution. Now that your "change from whithin" concept has failed miserably because these dirty Islamist thugs have started to rape the so called "reformers" and non reformers , you bash the non reformers like Ms. Gillani? Are you kidding?

In case you have not noticed, reform from within is no longer a viable solution or option. The reformers you believed in (Khatami, Mousavi and the rest of the other velayat supporters) have been nutralized.

The people in the street our shouting death to Khamenei. Are these people "reformers"? The people are shouting "Esteghlal, Azadi jomhorieh Irani". Are they reformers?  The people in the street have learned a very crucial lesson that you, Shariati and the rest of the lefty Islamist gang (with your so called education) back in 79 could not comprehend: Religion and politics don't mix. Reformers still want to save the system. This system is past saving. 

Now that we are on the brink of civil war because of your failed revolution and attempts at reforming this idiotic revolution,  people like you have no place in attacking the non reformers. People like you should be walking in shame and trying to put some sense into the heads of ugly shameless educated regime supporters like your lefty friends Jaleho.  

 


jamshid

Mammad

by jamshid on

Your shame has no boundary. I rather use the word "veghaahat" instead of shame because it applies to you better.

You are asking what non-reformists had done compared to the reformists who are jailed or exiled.

mardake vaghih, I'll tell you what non-reformist had done. They have been executed, tortured, hanged in public, imprisoned, their belongings taken away, exiled, brutalized, raped before execution, fired from their jobs, harrassed and more for over 30 years by this regime AND by the reformists.

Where were you in those years of brutality, rape, maiming of body parts and imprisonments? I'll tell you where you were. You were advocating and promoting the interests of the IRI. That's where you were.

And now that the same fate has fallen on your reformists comrades, suddenly you want to "show off" and "sell" their sufferings to the rest of us to give credibility to them?

Long before reformists lifted a finger, long before they risked anything at all, long before they spoke up, there were non-reformists who were fighting against the savagery and corruption of the IRI and paid the price with their lives or with the best years of their youth sitting in prisons.

Where were you then? I'll tell you where. You were defending IRI's rights to this and that.

And now you have the gulls to come in here and tell us the reformists are the only ones who have done anything at all? The same reformists, who under their presidency, executed my old time friends for the crime of advocating freedom and separation of religion from government? 

The same reformists, who during their presidency, executed and hanged hundreds of Kurds, including many I knew, for the crime of wanting to breath the scent of freedom?

The same reformists, who during their tenure as prime minister and cabinet ministers, kept silence in the face of the mass execution of more than 10,000 young men and women?

And now you want to "show off" their being imprisoned? And you feel we owe you or them something for their miseries?

Do you now see why I prefer to use the word "vaghih" instead of "shame" for you and your likes?


jamshid

Dear Samsam

by jamshid on

Nationalists have always been the target of Ommatis. What can one exepct when their great leader, Khomeini, literally said if necessary, Iran should readily be sacrificed for the cause of Islam?

These people have allergy to the likes of you or Laleh precisely because you promote nationalism. If this same article was written by a reformist with a few words replaced, they would be here praising it.

What they don't realize is that they were in charge for 30 years, they had their chance and they failed grandly. But they are so "por roo" and "bi sharm" that they don't want to release their tentacles from Iran.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Mammad

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

People like Laleh want their secular democracy handed to them. And if someone uses a strategy they dont like all they do resort to conspiracy theories and name calling. they failed to do X so they must be traitors that are holding the rest of us back! 

 

the only platform that some out of touch Iranians run on is how to be anti-someting. anti-islam, anti-reformist, anti-regime. Because their survival depends on it. Without it their ideology is only as good as the web server that is storing all the data.  without the generated controversy they are a nobody.

 

And I mean this with all due respect of course. It is time to change strategy and not resort to the same tried and failed policies of the past 30 years. For one, see todays Iran for what it really is, and not what you want it to be. 


SamSamIIII

Jamshid & Laleh

by SamSamIIII on

 

Never mind the Jew hater/white hater/Kiaan hater programmed Ommatie in denial, MP . pay attention here for a sec. 

My Solution/thesis on the issue of Ommatism(the version of Islam practiced in Iran) has always been the one & only that;

1-Iran(kiaani patriotism) & Ommatism post-Qadesiyeh are 2 opposing faces of the same coin, both cherished by masses.

2-No ideology or set of rules can remove Ommatism in its entirety.

3-The only entity capable of greatly diluting the effect of Ommatism & thus making it irrelevant in overall scope is it's arch enemy, the "kiaani patriotism" .  the more patriotic the regime, the more tolerant version of Islam practiced, ie; Islam under Pahlavi regime.

Every Iranian family has or knows a relative who lives outside Iran in free world. Thus the 1st msg by diaspora is to set an example for Iranians inside who look up to them to find direction. This direction must come in the form of Kiaani patriotism to slowly change perceptions & in the not so long run dilute and make irrelevant the effects of Ommatism by sheer power of examples & suggestions. Hence my long held persistance on Pure Parsi, true Iran & true icons. & guess what group does regime executes the most !, seculars?commies? reformists? no you guessed it, nationalists , because they know their arch enemy well.

btw* on ommatie's Ashura case; I know Iranian psyche like the palm of my hand & 80 to 90 % of those bairagh lifting, sineh khoon zan, tekieh boro, ghameh shekaaf zan are mere siahi lashgar who will turn sides overnight when the push comes to shove. To them its not about Ashura but a day for laaf zani & exhibitionism. I know because i was one of them in pre teens. Dont take em literaly, javgir shodan.

 

 

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia


Mammad

This is simply hot air, not a plan

by Mammad on

Any time I have read a piece by you, it has been full of rhetoric and hot air, but devoid of any substance. Let's look at your detailed plan in the order that you listed its ingredients.

1. It is already being done by tons. But, suppose it has not been done enough? WHERE are you going to do this? From somewhere in the WEST?

2. First of all, I am assuming that by people you mean people in Iran, because if Iranians outside Iran are not "informed," then they are no good and it is their fault.

Secondly, people listen only to recognized people and leaders.

Third, people already know about the agenda of the seculars. 32 million people in Iran use the internet. There are 100,000 bloggers. You may say, they cannot access the internet because IRGC blocks them. If so, how are YOU going to inform them? Through VOA or BBC, or iranian.com? JARAS is doing a far better job than any of them! 

3. It has already been done by tons and tons and tons, and it is still going on. Expand your horizon beyond Iranian.com to see it, although even here the reformsists are constantly attacked.

4. Repetitive; same as 2.

5. Interesting! You separate political activists from political groups. Then, who are the members of the political groups? Dancers? Perhaps there is something to the claim that the Green Movement is not advancing as fast as it can, because it is disorganized: The activists are not organizing, but asking the vital question: Who are you?

6. How are the new political leaders will be "chosen" by the people? Free elections? If they were possible, we would not be talking about this now. If not, how are we going to get there? Free elections will not happen unless the Movement succeeds, and the Movement will not succeed unless it has strong leadership. So, once again, how will the leaders be elected by "our" people?

Or, perhaps they will be elected FOR us? Or, perhaps they will be elected by the Los Angeles-based satellite TVs, VOA, and BBC? Or perhaps some Ahmad Chalabis will emerge! Which way, please!

As for JARAS:

For those who do not remember: The author opposed voting. For weeks she claimed that no one will vote. Then, when it became clear that people will vote (and at least 80% did), she said she would not vote because "she did not want to be a pawn." That is, the 80% were pawns, the same people who are having an "uprising" in the author's language! 

But, alas! People did vote. The election was rigged, and people protested, or began an "uprising." Now, all of a sudden, the same people who told everybody not to vote, and if they did they would be pawns, shed tears for exactly the same people who did vote and then asked "where is my vote?"

And, who organized the people before the election to vote? The reformists. Every single reformist leader and organizer, except for the top three, is in jail. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Their arrest warrants had been issued THREE DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. Why? Because they can organize and strategize.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN TOLD, UNLESS THEY QUIT POLITICS, THEY WILL BE IN JAIL FOR YEARS. And, every single one of them has been given a heavy sentence, 5 years is the minimum, after Stalinist show trials. Hamzeh Karami, a simple editor of a reformist website, Jomhouriyat, was given 16 years in jail and 6 billion toumans fine. Those are NOT typoes!

Of course, let's scream to the world that there are Statlinist show trials in Iran, but hey, let's be quiet about who the main victims of the Stalinist trials are: MOSTLY THE REFORMIST LEADERS AND ORGANIZERS, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ORGANIZED THE PAWN TO STAGE AN UPRISING and THE SAME PEOPLE WHOM WE ARE SAVAGELY ATTACKING!!!

So, Laleh, from her home in the West, attacks the same people who are now in jail, who organized all of that before the election that directly led to the present situation!

And, JARAS Website is not based in Iran, but in London. Its editor is Jamileh Kadivar. It has been attacked and hacked too many times, with the most recent one being a couple of days ago. So, your accusations against it are totally baseless.

Just look at the gentlemen pictured:

Dr. Hashem Aghajari: Lost a leg in Iran-Iraq war; jailed for saying people are not monkey to follow the ayatollahs. Given a death sentence (overturned later). Was in jail for nearly two years.

Dr. Saeed Hajjarian: semi-paralyzed after assassination attempt in 2000. arested immediately after the election. In solitary confinement for 5 months. Given a five year suspended sentence.

Abbas Abdi: Jailed for taking a poll showing that Ayatollah Khamenei was the least popular man at 1% in Iran, and advocating that the reformist resign en masse. Jailed two years.

Akbar Ganji: Jailed for 6 years, tortured and beaten for revealing a part of the secrets about the Chain Murders.

Behzad Nabavi: Jailed immediately after the election. Still in jail. At 67 has been given a 6 years sentence.

Dr. Abdolkarim Soroush: Exiled for advocating for two decades separation of religion and government.

Dr. Ataollah Mohajerani: All the reformist newspapers of 1998-2000 were made possible because of him. Sacked, and exiled.

How many of your type Laleh have done a tiny fraction of what these guys have done?

Mammad


jamshid

MoosirVaPiaz

by jamshid on

I was not referring to you nor named you in my comments. I don't understand why you took it to yourself.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

David ET, dont make me laugh

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

simply comparing todays Iran with Italy, Brazil is laughable at best. shows you how much you pay attention to dynamics at play in Iran.

For one, Brazil is not controlled by an Islamic regime who uses ideology to fight its battles, quite successfully too I should add.

The problem with you people is that you dont take the regime in Iran seriously. You think that you can overcome them easily. Again, I've got news for you, it aint so! They've got a massive propaganda arm, a well oiled military and they've been brainwashing the masses for 30 years. If you think that you can inject your highly westernized world view into Iran all of a sudden and expect Iranians to listen to a secular democratic leader from over the ponds - one that has reformist bashing as their platform no less -, then you are dreaming my friend.

profile.">jamshid says,

 

Don't pay any attention to these pro-reformists who are pro-regime in
principle. Their ultimate goal is the preservation of the system,
although with some changes here and there. and a change of guards from
one Islamist group to another.

 

Well, I've got news for you mr. know it all. I'm not pro regime. And my ultimate goal is not the preservation of the system or change of guards from one Islamic group to another.  Next time back up your claims with facts instead of resorting to conspiracy theories. Who is practising khodi va gheire khodi now? 


David ET

Moosir you need to learn what secularism is!

by David ET on

Have you seen the Catholic religious processions in Latin America and Italy? Some are much bigger than those you show in this video! Have you seen the number of people who go to get a glimpse of Pope?! Do you know how religious the Catholics in parts of Italy, Spain and most Latin America or even Turkey are?!

yet countries like Italy, Brazil, etc...are all seculars.

Have you seen the level of religious obsession in India by different religions? Yet the country is secular.

Your video can be of Ashura during Islamic Republic or even during Secular Republic of Iran! That is called religious freedom. The only difference is that secular government sticks its nose out of religion and religion also sticks its nose out of Government.

It absolutely has NOTHING to do with religious practices by the people! Nothing! 

Iran practiced secularism at different times and it did not bother Iranians as they still could practice their religion. The only people it bothered was Mullahs because their business was not as lucrative then and they love power, all of it.

Take a look at this secular map of the world , many Muslims live in these countries.

We Iranians in practice had secularism more than 2000 years ago way before others.  In fact there are plenty of proofs that secularism has worked in Iran until clergy stole it from us and we also know that non-secularism from Shah era to IR has not worked where laws have had to go through religious filter.

So may be we should give secularism a chance before we fall in to IR's propaganda that secularism in Iran doesn't work.  

Now here are some videos for you that each show Iranians want secularism and yes these people also have religion.

 


LalehGillani

Lynching in America

by LalehGillani on

MOOSIRvaPIAZ asked, “How are we going to do that then? Does this look like a society that wants secular democracy?”

Does this look like a nation in which secular democracy was established over two hundred years ago and eventually thrived?

//vodpod.com/watch/289596-without-sanctuary-l...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzJ2RIlUwE

America’s Founding Fathers and intellectuals laid the foundation for a secular democracy and guarded it with all their might. The burden is on our shoulders: Iran’s political activists can’t pass the buck to the next generations again and again.

Muslim fanatics have always been and will be present in our society and amongst us. They are the base of the current regime and will be the base for any government in Iran as long as Islam is permitted to “oversee” our laws and control the power.


jamshid

Dear LalehGillani

by jamshid on

Don't pay any attention to these pro-reformists who are pro-regime in principle. Their ultimate goal is the preservation of the system, although with some changes here and there. and a change of guards from one Islamist group to another.

They have served well for prolonging the life of the regime in the past 30 years, for prolonging the misery of Iranian citizens, for prologing the looting of Iran's riches, and for prologinng murders, rapes and imprisonments of innocent Iranians.

Some of them are even "proud" of this.

Anything that has any hint of the complete fall of this regime, worries them sick and makes them anxious. Hence, their knee jerk reactions.

You have many wonderful ideas and suggestions, which I've been reading. Please persist and continue your efforts, as these efforts are merging even as we speak, and eventually form a tidal wave that will sweep Iran's deceases away.