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that can be fixed too! (to tofan)

Tofan says: "Turning the country into Zimbabwe because we want to have free press and Iranian women in bikinis in Iran etc is just retarded and will work against the country in the final round."

Tofan, even the bikini issue can be addressed at some point in the future with ease. All we need to do is to convince the producers of 'America's Next Top Model'(*) to do an Iran Qom tour, they are irresistible.

(*) a reality show //www.tvguide.com/tvshows/americas-model/1000...

پاینده ایران و ایرانیان.

و بکوری چشم حسود

Where does the oil money go? please share

anonym7: Where do you think most of the oil revenues end up? Please share!

Re: anony 7 agrees with mr.

Nop, I have no reason to believe that 'most' of the oil revenue ends up in the pockets of corrupt people, that is why I said for the 'most part' I agree with Mr. aaminian.

Even ...

my  colleagues at work (all foreigns and cheshm abi) congratulate me for Omid!

Wondering who besides IRAN's enemies can be displeased by this novel. Hardly, wondering.

Toofan: The question was not

Toofan: The question was not that Iran had refinaries or not. The question was can it make it's own refinaries without outsidehelp. We are trying to determine the technlogical progress not the number of contracts given out to foreign subcontractor. The question is not the fact whether Iran can export gas, the question is can it do it without out side help. Again, we are measuring the technological performance.

The Impetus for the expansion was Iran's recent Gasoline woes that had to force them to spend money in expanding the refinaries:

Iran is the world’s fourth largest exporter of crude oil and in 2006 its export volume reached 2.38 million barrels per day. However, Iran is also the second biggest importer of gasoline after the United States. The disparity in these two facts lies in the configuration of refinery system in the country. The configuration of most refineries are simple, outdated and are awaiting refurbishment. The product mix coming out of refineries leans heavily towards heavy oil, gas oil and fuel oil etc. In 2007, gasoline comprised only of 16.0% of the refined product mix. Hence, gasoline is imported from India, China, Singapore and United Arab Emirates to meet its domestic demand coming from transportation segment.

Scope

•viewpoints cover the latest events or important trends in the global oil and gas industry and provide our in-depth analysis of issues and challenges. Viewpoints offer expert opinions and views of various developments that have been taking place in the oil and gas industry across the world.

//www.bharatbook.com/Market-Research-Reports/...

//www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Oil.html

Why not tell the truth? Why inflate the truth??

@toofan...

for Gas exploration and development, be shure that any services bought abroad, will be bough with a tech license. They are not stupid, and will catch up sooner or later, as our enginers have done with other issues.

That is different than catagorizing it as homegrown, indigenous, homemade. I'm glad that they are not that stupid.

@Toofan.....

Zimbawa? What do you mean??

This is what I found about Khodoro. Nothing about producing engine. If you're privy to some inside infomration, please provide info.

IKCO or Iran Khodro Company (or Iran Khodro Industrial Group) is the largest automobile producer in Iran. Founded in 1962 by members of the Khayami family, the company's original name was Iran National.

Certification
Iran Khodro has qualified for ISO 9001 from RW-TUV, Germany, as well as many other health, safety, and environment certificates including ISO 14001 and OHSAS 18001.

[edit] Products and relationships
Iran Khodro produces Iran's first "national car", the Samand, which is based on the Peugeot 405 platform. The firm has a long-term relationship with PSA Peugeot Citroën, and assembles a number of Peugeot models under licence from the French firm.

It also makes trucks and buses under license from Mercedes-Benz.
For more than three decades, Iran Khodro produced the Paykan, a car developed from the Rootes Group's Rootes Arrow range, best known as the Hillman Hunter. Paykan saloon car production was discontinued in 2005, almost thirty years after the end of Arrow production (latterly as the Chrysler Hunter) in Britain. A pick-up version is still in production.[5]

In a joint-venture with Daimler AG, Iran Khodro is soon to start production of sophisticated 900-class Mercedes-Benz engines; Daimler states that Iranian-made engines will be exported to Germany. [6] [7
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Khodro

Khaleh Mosheh

These tests will help with the design of future satellites which will have capability. Iran's first use for a satellite was for remote sensing (we built a station to get the data from the American satellite Landsat 1).  Typical agricultural capability is described in the following passage: 

"[satellite]Images can show variations in organic matter and drainage patterns. Soils higher in organic matter can be differentiated from lighter sandier soil that has a lower organic matter content. This geospatial information is valuable when used in conjunction with ancillary data to define management zones for a field. Once data has been collected it can be implemented into a mapping environment such as GIS(Geographic Information Systems) for management and control of agricultural resources."

A very cheap satellite costs about $50 million to put into orbit.

actually

iran is the 16th largest car producer in the world, with FDI and car production in other countries too, and it's the 19th largest producer of steel globally.

and it is climbing very fast in both sectors.... know they economy!

anony 7 agrees with mr.

anony 7 agrees with mr. aanimian that most of the oil revenues lines the pocket of criminal leadership but at the same time he says, "Despite that"??

So, it's ok that they steal most of the money as long they spend chump change on the economy? Is everything US fault? what about blood-sucking JOOOOOOOOOOOOOzz!

RE:Truthteller

Iran has already started massive production of refineries for its oil industry that will finish in 2012.

Iran Khodro has produced 3 national engines, and are among the 10-18 in the world that do as such, not to mention, exporting cars to Turkey and Russia, and competing with Turkey to be the Middle East's main exporter of cars.

As for Gas exploration and development, be shure that any services bought abroad, will be bough with a tech license. They are not stupid, and will catch up sooner or later, as our enginers have done with other issues.

Our flight industry has been crippled because building 747's is harder than space tech according to the industry people I have talked to. Iran is now going to build Antonov 140 planes with jet engines, and one day, self made larger jet planes will be constructed.

Stop being pessimistic about issues you can easily read up on. The country is going forward, it would have gone much faster without the IRI, but it needs to go forward, thats the bottom point. Turning the country into Zimbabwe because we want to have free press and Iranian women in bikinis in Iran etc is just retarded and will work against the country in the final round.

fair comment Mr. aaminian

For the most part you had a fair comment. I agree with you that a good chunk of oil revenue goes to corrupt people however those corrupt people are not just Mollahs, in fact many of them could care less about any religion but almighty $.
Despite all that, IRI has been trying hard to pump some $500 billion to Iranian industries in partnership with other countries, this however has been consistently sabotaged by U.S.

anonym7: England doesn't

anonym7: England doesn't need to industrialize. It already has.

When was the last time you were in Iran??

People don't have a choice! There are no jobs or opportunity in social mobility unless they are Khodi.

Even Khodi are moving to Dubai and Canada. The government is simply incompetent and cannot create jobs, period.

They have to think about the future of their children.... If they had a choice, they would have stayed in Iran. I think many of our scientists, authors, and many other Iranian-Americans would choose to go back if it werent' for the Medieval IRI because they know their country of birth needs them.

I would not have left if there was no revolution...not that I'm a great talent but in my own little ways, I would have been able to help my hamvatans. I'm sure this applies to many of us.

Benyamin

I agree with you that rocket science is more complicated than oil and gas, automotive and pretty much all other industries (maybe except for aviation).  The TOUGH part is to come up with the funding for those other more-fundamental technologies.  Now, you may counter that by asking where is all the oil revenue going to?  The answer: Most of it goes to the corrupt mullahs deep pockets! 

Is there a political message accompanying the OMID satellite?  You bet
there is just as there was one with Sputnik 1 but can it do what a US
Airforce's geostationary spy satellite can do?  Well, you know the
answer to that one...

BTW, Iran has made considerable progress in several engineering fields including automotive, heavy machinary, computers and electronics; and believe it or not, they export a lot of their manufactured products to mainly Third World countries.  Are these products comparable to their American/Japanese counterparts?  Maybe to an extent (and maybe barely) but then again Iran isn't trying to compete with those two industrial giants; they're just trying to become industrially self-sufficient.  Who can blame them for that?!

As a complete technophobe..

What is the capability of Omid? What parctical applications will it be put into?

Thanks inadvance. 

Just think about this!

In almost all of the the comments I have read one group bashes the other group of being leftist and pro-IRI until now. Some of the bashers are now rejoicing over the Revolutionary guards accomplishment and calling other people negative and anti-Iranian because they do not want to call this accomplishment positive.

Same revolutionar guard and government that accomplished these rockets accomplished to throw out professors and students that it did not find loyal. It also tried to give a false PHD and revolutionary guard a top job in the government.

Again I would like to clarify that I think that Iranian scientist are amongst the best and if we'd be in a better managed and democratic Iran we probably had done this long time ago.

While Zion has had many allies in many other threads, she has been left all alone on this one by her right wing friends. This alone shows the power of patriotism and how IRI uses it.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

Brain Drain? ( to truthteller )

truthteller, I am not suggesting there is no brain drain. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I have worked with some of the best software engineers in the U.S who happen to be from England, South Korea, India, China, Russia, etc. England is not run by Akhonds, but for various reasons those guys prefer to work in the U.S. ... this is the era of globalization and there is no escape from it ... I am not that much of a "brain" but I would have left Iran even if there were no revolution.

Abarmard: I'm so excited,

Abarmard: I'm so excited, are you happy now? I'm doing an Irish jig and baking a cake in shape of Omid Satellite?? Should I send you the picture?lol

My friend, I'm happy that you're so content and non-demanding. Kosh be haleh zanet/grilfriend or whatever.

May we see all of our scientists Alas has mentioned in his/her comment back home contributing to their own country.

Choghok and Mehdi

I like your comments.

To negative views

Although I understand why there are negative views about Iran`s scientific accomplishments, but i have to stress it is wrong to reject it as a positive notion. TRUTHTELLER is right about Iran not be able to advance in other areas that seem to be much more simple technology as space one. Technology such as train, auto and plane and so on and so forth.

But I think we should be able to confront negativities such as discrimination against the minorities(religious or otherwise) or all the gender discrimination or so many other injustices and killings and exacutions that happen. I do agree and believe should be confronted. but as the negative notions must be rejected and confronted the positive notions must be met with encouragement and satisfaction, unless there will be no progress made at all. And the society would have been like the beginning of the revolution when even music was not allowed, remember those that fought and won, we still have a long fight before us but we have to acknowledge the good when it happens!
BTW, TRUTHTELLER, there was a report just recently that the USA didnot want the Shah to own enrichment techmology and they didnot even trust poor Shah which was their own friends. My point, it is not the mullahs they don`t trust it is US(Iranians).

Perhaps

Those who think nothing of this are right. I personally am excited and can't help feeling that way. Regardless this is a giant step forward for our nation from the technical know how and it will certainly bring a lot of capital to the country in the near future.

Should we forget about women's Rights in Iran because of this? NO

Should we be happy and proud about this event? I think so.

I have discussed this more than needed.

It is so shameful that some

It is so shameful that some "Iranians" can not stand witnessing any progress made by Iran.

I am happy and proud to see that true Iranians inside the country are working hard towards progress and are delivering such achievements.

And it deeply saddens me to see a bunch of Iranians abroad, frozen in time, still using the same vocabulary as 30 years ago, using the same fossil mentality, and trying to figure out what "foreign power" is behind this.

Why name calling?

I do not understand why start calling people names when they disagree? I can not see this as positive sign since this achievement does not lead to anything positive by itself. It has been funded by revolutionary guards and its benefits will go there as well. Also it will help ahmaghinejad to brainwash more people by the tool of patriotism.

Science by itself is not good or evil. I know that there are people who think Science is always good. But for me is like to say that hammer is good. Yes hammer is good when using on nails. It is not good when used on people, so is it with science.

/Bidar bash ke ma bekhabim

how about truth-bavari?

Believing too much in yourself based on hype is also not good (it is called "believing your own bullshit" and is the cause of the current world financial collapse).

Fact is, these things are difficult and expensive. Question is, as a country, what are your priorities?

Poverty reigns. Youth are addicts, go to surrounding countries and sell drugs or themselves. An earthquake comes in Bam, and 50k people die because the government didn't give a sh*t about infrastructure or building codes or planning/policy. Most of those people died because the aid workers could not access the victims within the first 24 hours, they were stuck on a road for 16 hours ( usually a 2 hour ride). Question is, where were all those Iranian made helicopters that the IRI was claiming have been "mass produced" for years? In fact, you couldn't see even ONE in any of the press photos (iranian or otherwise), just a couple Russian ones flown by Red Crescent.

And weeks later, many emergency items donated by the world could be found in Tehran for sale.

And this is a country which in 1979 had a completely brand spanking new state of the art helicopter factory, ready to go, and one of the world's largest helicopter fleets.

So how is the reconstruction of Bam effort going? How about Abadan and Khorramshahr and other Khuzestan cities over 20 years after the end of the war?

But we can send a 25 kg satellite into orbit on a copy of a North Korean copy of a 50 year old Russian copy of a 65 year old WWII German rocket. Yay!!!

btw, has anyone asked the question, what type of satellite would Iran like to put in orbit, what benefit it can get, and is any benefit worth the cost? communications? reconnaisance? something else? I would be very interested if somebody could make any case whatsoever as to why launching a satellite of any kind other than military use would make any sense to Iran whatsoever. And even the military use is questionable in my mind...

My friend, it is simply a matter of priorities.

It is better to believe in and seek the truth, even if it is less pleasant than what we would rather hear.

-FAIR

What's with all the negativity?

It seems to me that some people will not accept any change or improvement unless they are credited for that. For example, probably members of MKO would never acknowledge any improvement in Iran and when shoved in their face, they will call it a trick to gather support for "the regime" or maybe a distraction from the "revolution" that is coming. Similarly, supporters of Western imperialism, such as Israel lovers see any such progress or improvement simply as a threat to the world. But they really mean that such is a threat to their bank account. And then there are some Iranians who have hatred, for whatever reason, and do not want to see Iran improved unless somebody kills a whole bunch of mullahs first.

Let it go people!

Consider for one second that MAYBE you are not correct in everything you say; maybe, just maybe, you don't quite know how to improve Iran or the world. It is possible that some of the ideas you have are flawed. Open your eyes and inspect things again.

I am not saying that this satellite launch proves that Iran is heaven now, but you can't deny that technological progress will bring other forms of progress with it. 

And of course we also have the old communists, etc, who immediately try to find reasons why this is not "really" a progress or that this is technology imported or bought from somewhere else. These are the same people who criticized Shah for importing a lot of technology and now regret that if they had allowed Shah to do that, by now Iran would be a superpower. So to them I say, "Shut up, please, and let the progress take place." 

How about seeing the glass half full? How about opening your minds and realizing that technological advancement will inevitably lead to progress in all directions?

Abarmard: I need to add to

Abarmard: I need to add to your khosh bavri another item, **low standard*. Your expectation are low and I have no idea why??? Because you want to wait foerver until the Basiji "evolve" and then we are allowed to have higher expectation from our people and country?

Your pandering to the lowest/basest common denominator of progress and prosperity is unfortunate and will destroy Iran in the long run. Go Basiji et al...

Abarmard: Those are under

Abarmard: Those are under sub-contract with a Norwigean and some other foreign company.

Abarmard, your main sources of news are all IRI-owned state media. Do you ever read anything else beside the IRI mouthpieces. I noticed you posted another new from Iranpress.tv on Invention of Artificial liver...lol

Your zoodbavari has been prolonging the reign of terror of the mullahs. Good job Abarmard...Enjoy your Islam-e-Nabe-Mohammdi in your Utopian IRI.

anonym7: Are you suggesting

anonym7: Are you suggesting there is no brain drain:

Huge cost of Iranian brain drain

//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6240287.stm

//www.unb.ca/econ/acea/documents/paperoflabou...

This khod naabaavari

Was the worse culture that was dominant in the Iranian society. Where if the west didn't do it, we can't ever be able to stand on our own.

In many neighboring countries including Israel this culture is well and alive but I believe the roots are being dried in the Iranian society. This is one point that I see as a giant positive in the Iranian society today comparing to thirty years ago.