CHILD ABUSE

I will be publishing the

I will be publishing the paper here. What is worse about Bahai wife rape is that you can pay for it and buy yourself the forgiveness. Look for the article in august.

To: A.nonymous

Man vaghean moteasefam barye shoma. bahse digari nadaram chon shoma hame chiz ra baraye khod halaji kardeid. Be yad dashteh bash ke an rooz fara khahad resid va hich kas mostasna nist.

Payami baraye "Eizadpanah"

If you are a practising Muslim man, then you have had sex with your wife without her consent (called RAPE), and if you are a practising Muslim woman, then you have been repeatedly raped by your husband without knowing. God has nothing to do with religion (which is a man-made institution), especially not with little mythical characters called "NAKIR va MONKER". Time to wake up!

Payami baraye hame anhayee ke be din eslam va payambarsh

Tohin mikonand. omidvaram ke javabi baraye NAKIR va MONKER dar shabe avale ghabr dashteh bashid. Tohin be moghadasat kare dorosti nist va neshane zaf va zaboonist. eshtebahat khod ra nabayasti be gardene khoda va din va payambarash andakht.
Khodavand hame ma ra morede lotf va marhamate khish gharar dahad va az in sar dar gomi va ashoftegi nejat dahad. Amin.

Islam Encourages Rape of Women by their Husbands

by forcing Muslim women to sexually submit to their husbands. A man can divorce his wife if she objects to being raped by him. Islam, like all other patriarchal religions, is a misogynist / sexist institution.

To: curious reader and Anonymous-Khanoom

Hey man, why don't you buzz off? This discussion is beyond your intelligence and surpasses your mental capacity.
AK, wow wow, calm down. I did not mean to upset you. We just had a discussion when you started to name calling and involving the 7th century Arab man. Do you see how we, the proud Persians can keep up a dialogue going without bashing each other up? Any ways, I am sorry if I caused any hard feelings. Peace.

What is Eastern

What is Eastern Culture?
Misogyny
pedophilia (child rape and molestation)
legal prostitution (sigheh)
incest
intolerance of others
beheading and killing as a solution for everything

eye gouging, finger cutting,
Stoning

Re: "zandoost" - the man sounds like a rapist to me :-(

Yo man, you talk like a rapist.

anyway, moslem = wife beater, child moleter, liar, savage. Capich?????

Re: Baharak from Toronto

dear baharak from Toronto,

Thanks for your caring comments. I have been in my tears since last night, when I first read the article.

A minute ago, when agian I started crying, my 13yrs old daughter asked me what was wrong?! I wished I could share my pain with her. Instead, I told her how reading about child abuse cases makes me cry and I wished I had studied law, so I could go after these animals. I can't wait for the day that my children would be old enough to understand and benefit from my story. I admire the writer, Mrs. Sahar Tahvili for bringing this issue up.

Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it.

Love, Asabaani

Hey LITTLE MAN, You Are a Domestic Rapist like Prophet Mohammad!

Your dirty ugly mouth smells of your whore mother's milk. You are a very STUPID and REACTIONARY ISLAMIC ANIMAL (like your stupid Mohammad the Rapist Prophet.) Now, go and wash your ugly mouth with soap, LITTLE MAN!

Hey LITTLE MAN, You Are a Domestic Rapist like Prophet Mohammad!

Your dirty ugly mouth smells of your whore mother's milk. You are a very STUPID and REACTIONARY ISLAMIC ANIMAL (like your stupid Mohammad the Rapist Prophet.) Now, go and wash your ugly mouth with soap, LITTLE MAN!

Re: Anonymous-Khanoom

You are unconsciously mad at something and try to use it to convince yourself of all these false western originated ideas. If you are not married or better yet don’t believe in a marriage institution, then talking to you is pointless. If your boyfriends want to screw you and for some reason you are tired and perhaps worn out but he does it anyway then there is no room for you to complain and play victim. Having illegitimate sex outside of a marriage, you are rightfully entitled to be called a whore. This is a true statement in all societies and all religions. Please don’t bring up the 7th century Arab man. I can think for myself and I am far more intelligent than you, WOMAN.

Mr Hojatiyeh your choice of name( Mona Khanom) is very dirty!!!!

The rape of Zoroastrian, muslim ,Bahai,armanian and kurdish women of our land happens in your Evin jail,by dogs like you.Grab a spine!!!!!
Do not use our inocent victims name to promot hate.
By the way please publish the article in this site forsure.

To Fascist Faribors Maleknaeri

Your English is so bad, it is embarassing to have you on this site.

More embarrassing is your fascist ideas on male-female relationships. Your opinions are disgusting!! I wonder how many men it takes to rape YOU. Do you think ONE single man with a revolver would be enough? Or do you think in order to be called a rape, there must be FIVE MEN: 4 to hold YOU, Maleknaseri, and one to rape YOU! You are the most inhumane creature I have ever known of, completely ignorant about human condition!

R: Mr :Faribors Maleknasri

Please STOP suggesting Your Islamic Solutions for today's problems.

Present exigencies demand new methods of solution; world problems are without precedent. Old ideas and modes of thought are fast becoming obsolete. Ancient laws and archaic ethical systems will not meet the requirements of modern conditions.

The remedy prescribed in one age is no longer suitable in a later age, when the condition of the world is different.

R:Mr :Faribors Maleknasri

What about if the victim is not a Muslim!
Do you still deal with her and abuser(s) according with Islamic law????

Don't you think we need CIVIL law rather than Shariat!!!

REPLY : RAPE RAPE RAPE and some more comments

1. As a general rule is followings - researched by secullar western scientists - valid: to rape a woman there must be 5 ( FIVE ) men. 4 to hold, one to rape. That is when the woman does not want to be raped. the same western scientists advise the rape victims to give up any resistance. they tell the women: afterward you are stil alive and undamaged. As far as I know in Iranian and in Islamic culture a woman who has not resisted the rape loses all her social rights, her family her friends short every thing. I think this is the major difference between Iranian-Islamic culture and the western culture.
2. Rape of Wife: taking the explanation under 1. we must accept that the number of real rapes is negligible small. Of course these also MUST be regarded. My question to be discussed about is: When in a marrige making love is possible only via rape, exists then stil any basis for a satisfying and happy marriage life? Such a condition directs to divorce, do not need to be discussed.
3. the Arab man is the prophet Mohammad ( s). the Book HE has presented is today, after more than 1400 years, stil the reference book for fundamental questions of daily life for more than one Billion human beings. and it will be it stil up to after reappeasring of Mahdi ( s ). Please acknowledge this!
4. I think it is inapropriate to speak about western culture and take it into account by discussing the cultural affaires. Look, individuals who have burned not longer than 60 years ago human beings how can they have developped a CULTURE in such a short time? Culture needs many many thousends of years to get mature. I suggest: Lets forget all about western countries culture.
5. A husband is in islam not allowed to rape his wife. I have just asked a specialist in Islamic rights. He said: The Prophet Mohammed ( s ) should have said: If the wife is busy with stiring the pastery to make Bread and the husband wants her, she should better stop preparing bread! If the wife has a reasonable argument to deny the wish of her man so it is not aloud for him to ignore it. But if the wife does not want because she hates him, well then? Divorce. Stil are the cases where the wife does love her husband but feels no desire. In these cases HE should better say it to HIS father or uncle or even the imam of thier Mosque. This one says it to HER father. her father says to HER mother and her mother tells her! second pace is marriage advise and last medical investigation. So it is wrong to think a husband - any husband no matter iranian, moslem or what so ever - CAN rape his wife to any time. Please no wrong Hopes!
6. The women who have kept or keep quiet are mostly from the kind that in reality they did not have any objections. Not 100%. they must have been some how discretely interessted. These are the results of explorations of secularly working western scientists. Of course little children first they do not know what is going on. They do not realize what is to happen. Till it is too late. Most unscrouplus abuser are from the family or "frieds" of the family. The child can not imagin that a friendly uncle wants something from her which will heart her. I the case of mature women is that all different. so as I have mentioned above.
7. HOT LINE: In the western countries where the girls, women and child abuse is florishing more and more, hour by hour, more and more intensly, there are numberless Hot Lines. They have not reduced the criminal cases. No body trusts the churches which have the hottest hot lines. because a great nummber of Bishops and Priests are just champion in Child abuse and abuse of very young girls. In the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN, since the mass of poeple - as in other " undeveloped Countries " - do not live in isolation and annonymity a hot line will not have any function.
8. The Government of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN - as far as I see the things - can punish the guilties and it does it in hardest manner. But unfortunately the "COMMUNITY of Free World" does not back does not support, does not recommend and does not endorse the way the Iranian Nation - I mean those Iranians who have founded thier ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN, are living there and are willing to protect what they have achieved during the last 30 years - is handling the matter. What to do? would Dostojewski ask.
9. I hope all these discussions do name follow the aim because some bloger wants to argue: Because the Life conditions i the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN are soo hard, so lets let Uncle sam come back and cure our Illnesses. Let the honorable Iranian nation be again the slaves of strangers in thier own home and let stranger be again the master to Iranians. Some unlogical arguments sees to recommend this poison to cure an illness which does not exists. Greeting
8. ydo notfhaag

Dear All

There is no doubt that child abuse exists in EVERY nation. Please read the news papers, watch TV, talk to your friends, use the Google search, etc. to verify my comment. And, it is not only men abusing little girls. Child abuse exists in many ways; men abusing girls, men abusing boys, women abusing girls, women abusing boys, boys abusing girls, girls abusing boys, etc., etc.

I know at least 20-25 iranian families. We have been getting together for the past 25 years. Most people in the group know a lot about other Iranian families. All I have seen or heard from couples in the group is love for each other and their family members (boys and girls). During the last 25 years, I have never seen or heard about child abuse by men in our group or Iranian men outside our group. AGAIN, please do not get me wrong, I do not deny child abuse among Iranian (and any other nation). I also admit my sample size is very small.

However, it seems most people on this board (especially women) have either seen and been a victim of child abuse. I feel sorry that it happened to you all.

Is it possible that most women who believe most Iranian men are abusive have married to a loser guy or dated a loser guy, or had a loser guy as brother or father. Maybe we need to be a little bit more careful when it comes to marriage. Or at least, divorce the guy as soon as you realize he is abusive. Don't bring innocent kids to this world with him. I don't believe people become abusive over night. Remember, when you get involved with an abusive person, your children and grand children will suffer.

As an Iranian man I get offended when I see statements as "Iranian men are abusive" . Because I truly believe just like any other nation, only a certain pertentage of men are that way. Of course, the same goes for women.

The rape of wives is an

The rape of wives is an Iranian phenomenon regardless of race or religion. Here in our institution we have clients from Bahai, Moslem, Arab, Zorosterian, Kordish and Armenian Iranian women. those of you who read medical journals this article is due to be published in August, 2008 New England Journal.

REPLY : MY POINT IS::::::::::::::::::::and other comments

1. the story is word by word translated.
2. Child abuse is no iranians-specific sin and crime.
3. it doesnt matter if it is write with He YE JIMI or other He. the main purpose is to criticise Iranians and prepare reason for other Bloger to mean: A oslem can rape his wife to any time.
4. This opinion is not correct. In another opportunity I could explain that in many countries a wife has to let the Husband at least tow times a week. Otherwise he can divorce. Why not bring the question to a theolotic-islamscientific to get the true answer? why just speculate?
5. regarding child abuse: please acknowledge the following message: Ten-year-old drama about in Vienna
Escape from the third floor: A ten-year-old mauled panic climbed out the window. A witness and a police officer started it.

Inspector R. and A. Houdek Hizir front of the house in the Rainer sac.Under incredibly dramatic circumstances on Saturday, a new case of child abuse in Vienna has become known: A tenth girls - blue beated and alone in the flat - from the window of the third floor to flee.
Hizir Adel Karim, 39, arrived shortly before eleven o'clock in the Police Inspectorate (PI), Rainer alley at the Wieden overturned. Breathlessly he reported that a few buildings away a child at the window sill on the third floor would depend. Hizir and Inspector Roland hesitated Houdek ran second and no go.
"They came just as the girl of his forces to leave and fell into the depths," portrays PI Commander Chief Inspector Francis Göri rescue literally in the last moment. "The two-year-olds have somehow caught in the force of the fall slowed, it is them, as it were, with their feet forward came forward," said Göri.
The girl came with bruises, suspected concussion and a severe shock from it.
Hizir, a native Algerian, withdrew at the heroic life-saving a buckling of the spine to the hospital but was already abandoned. the originates behave under these circumstances abnormaly indifferent and do so as if they do not see the danger!
Immediately, he asked to the police after the state of the small, and was reassured that it - the circumstances - relatively well.
The background and the motive is now a case for the Kriminalkommissariats officials in the middle: The rescue doctor immediately attested "injuries earlier date".
The speech is of bruises all over his body.

The frightened girl explained, by his "uncle" to have been repeatedly beaten.
Mother-Search
The man was initially not be, as the mother of the child, allegedly his girlfriend, a native Bulgarian. In the House know the neighbors, the apartment is sublet, they say. Die Fahndung wurde eingeleitet. The investigation was initiated. It was initially unclear whether it is a "normal" child abuse or whether there are other (criminal) considerations.
As chief inspector Göri Franz says, the girl is expected from the mother to have been left behind. "The lock of the door was blocked twice, the Small had no keys and wanted in their desperation, apparently," said Göri.
Apart from the police and judiciary will also contact the youth welfare office with the tragedy. It was assumed that the mother's custody revoked. 6. As one sees, these most shameful accidents are typical for the selfnamed civilized and rich and full of humanity with amnesty interbnational and so on and so on. In the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of IRAN may also happen cases of child abuse but: First not in such dramatical forms and second: the sinners will be very quickly HANGED. The we can read in the western media: 13 hanged in Iran only in one day and in the "IRANIAN". greeting

R:Asabani

My Dear one,

SO Sorry to hear your childhood tragic event.
God will deal with this lowly,weak creature soon,and he will be punished.

Unfortunately some events that happened in the past we can't changed.

Look forward to your future.

Be happy and thankful that you have a caring husband and beautiful healthy children.Enjoy your life!

May Blessings and Grace Of God be with you today and Always.

Best,
Baharak

Oh you know what? I forgot

Oh you know what? I forgot to mention that he would always do that to me while I was deep in sleep, when visiting and staying in my sister's house.

If it was not for my most loving father and husband, I would wanted to say that I hate men!! But, thank God that I know better.....there are some men who are better than angels, like my beloved father and my most loving husband. Thank God.....

I was first touched, and

I was first touched, and kissed by my sister's husband, when I was only about 9-10yrs old. He continued doing so for about 2-3 yrs, until I told my mom and she tried not to let me go to my sister's any more and watched me so carefully.

However, she could never say anything to the damn guy, just to protect my sister's marriage. I have never stopped hating the guys since then. I hope he would go to hell and be burned for ever. I truly hate that guy and am just so glad that now my sister has been divorced for years.

I am also glad that I was able to share this horrible experience with my beloved husband ever since we started dating. He is a true angle and so understanding and caring. Sometimes I wonder how could some men be this caring and good, while so many others are worse than animals.

My biggest nightmare in life is for my children getting abused. I have talked to them so much and always tried to protect them. Thank God, so far so good....

I hate my sister's ex and I constantly wish him to go to hell. I hate him, I hate him, I hate him....
He certainly has messed my soul up, somewhere deep in me, in a way that I can't even figure it out or point it out. I have always felt dirty, since I was 9-10. I always knew that I was supposed to be innocent, while I knew I was not!!! I am in my tears...I wish for him to go to eternal hell.....

Women and the New Age

In the world of humanity … the female sex is treated as though inferior, and is not allowed equal rights and privileges. This condition is due not to nature, but to education. In the Divine Creation there is no such distinction.Why then should one sex assert the inferiority of the other, withholding just rights and privileges as though God had given His authority for such a course of action?

The world in the past has been ruled by force, and man has dominated over woman by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body and mind. But the balance is already shifting; force is losing its dominance.

If we provide an equality of rights between men and women, and Women receive an equal privilege of education, This will enable them to qualify and progress in all degrees of occupation and accomplishment. For the world of humanity possesses two wings: man and woman. If one wing remains incapable and defective, it will restrict the power of the other, and full flight will be impossible. Therefore, the completeness and perfection of the human world are dependent upon the equal development of these two wings.

Best,
Mona

Oprah Winfrey has more humanity than Mohammad the "prophet"

And you "anonymous20" and "zandoost" are so profoundly influenced by a notoriously backward Arab man of the 7th Century called Mohammad! Go figure!

Influenced by Oprah Winfrey

You people are influenced by Oprah Winfrey show, and westerns culture so profoundly.

To so-called Zandoust: Rape in marriage IS relevant

When you say, "The term rape in a marriage is irrelevant", you are showing your backward 7th Century mentality and hatred of women. A man who truely loves women, considers them mature human beings with the right to decide about their daily lives, to say NO to a man, whether that man is a husband or not. Signing a piece of paper called "Marriage Certificate", does not and should not give a man the right to have sex with his wife without her consent. In Islam, a wife has absolutely NO RIGHT to say NO to her husband. If you are unable to see this as COMPULSORY SUBMISSION TO RAPE, then you are not intelligent.

To Anonymous-Khanoom and Mona Khanoom

AK,
What you are saying is pure BS. The term rape in a marriage is irrelevant. If you want to bash a religion which is now a day a good excuse for most Iranian to blame something or somebody for their own miserable failure.

MK,
May be you are not fit to be a wife. If your husband wants to pork you once in while, its OK to fulfill his needs. Majority of Iranian women lack the capability of being romantic for their husbands that is why I dumped mine and married an American who is wonderful and caring.

In Islam, a husband can rape his wife in any way and at any time

It's true, Mona Khanoom. And that, because in Islam it is a man's *right to rape* his wife! A Muslim woman *must* accept to be raped by her husband (ref.: some Surah in "Cow" Chapter of Koran.)

Iranians Rape their wives

Iranians Rape their wives daily becuse usually wives don't like having sex. Iranaian men are not romatic and women lose their interest fast then they get litterly f... every day.