Anyway

Mr. Kashani

Farhad khan, here is my point:

Mr. Bush LIED about everything so he could invade Iraq. He even FORCED CIA to FORGE handwritten letters to prove his case.

I have provided all the references, including possible Murder Prosecution case that might be brought up against him.

-YT

Kaveh

The excerpts I quoted for you was from a book by Vincent Bugliosi.

In The [Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder; Publisher: Vanguard Press (May 26, 2008); #ISBN-10: 159315481X]

Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses—a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world...]

Vincent Bugliosi received his law degree in 1964. In his career at the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including 21 murder convictions without a single loss. His most famous trial, the Charles Manson case, became the basis of his true-crime classic, Helter Skelter, the biggest selling true-crime book in publishing history.

I am not trying to peddle this book, but having read the book and cross-referenced his arguments, I believe that a SOLID case could be brought against Mr. Bush.

On the other hand, Vermont candidate for state Attorney General in 2008 election, Charlotte Dennett, If elected she had promised to prosecute Bush for murder. Unfortunately she did not get elected.

I did read somewhere(cant locate the source at this point) that Mr. Bugliosi is still in search of an willing State Attorney General who would proceed with prosecution of the case.

-YT

doing little with intelligence!? (to Kashani)

Kashani says: "You can do little with intelligence" ...By the way, apparently you’re the one who “lacks intelligence”, because by “intelligence”, I meant, intelligence service, not “intellect”."

Kashsni_jAn, the intelligence was there, the CIA provided that to Mr. Bush. He wanted to "do little with it" as you correctly stated. For you also the intelligence is there, see Robert Bear's interview for example (//iranian.com/main/news/2008/12/15/video-iran...) you just want to portray Iran/IRI much more dangerous than it is ....

Mr. kashani His(Bush's)

Mr. kashani
His(Bush's) incompetency is rooted in the fact that his policies added fuel to the fire of fundamentalists, by introducinghis own brand of fundmentalism. US's presence in Iraq today is nothing similar to its presence in other countries, It is a much active presencem, a day to day participation in what goes on in Iraq. If you really don't think the country is occupied, then why do you support islamists's "right" to kill americans? why can't they just peacefully coexist?

Mr. K. nouraee.

I am sorry, But IF any remainder of WMD's were destroyed by saddam's orders, then what reason Did the US have to insist upon heading back to iraq to check upon them, make sure they were inoperable and to dismantle them?
What gives crediblity to such actions by an administration that had already been deemed as Illegitimate months in advance of war?

Amercian wife.

Precisely. We pay taxes, so we are americans.
We may talk about Our hamvatans, and show our concerns towards them, But we LIVE in america and WE Abide by the laws of this country. Wouldn't you have done the same , had you lived in Another land? Would you just say, f.. with all my fellows back home and who the f.. cares?
We have more respect for our environment and our society, so we are american. And., although we have only been here for few years, two decades for some of us and some of us even longer, we act and behave in a more civilized manner than more americans.
We even speak the language, better than most americans, except for a few minor mistakes here and there, But we are still doing a heckuva better job than so many americans. SO YES. WE ARE AMERICANS . :))))
We don't change labels depending on the subject of the day! as much as many americans do. I mean come on!
I and i am sure many others here, have not spent some 20 or more PRECIOUS years of lives, coping and assimilating with a new culture and making tough choices, so that at the end, someone would slap us in the face by immaturely casting doubt on our loyalty and our love and appreciation for america, and making a final judgement on whether we are american or not.

Kaveh jaan, as you know, I

Kaveh jaan, as you know, I agree with your positions and greatly appreciate your stance with the Iranian people.

Keep doing the good job exposing the barbaric regime. They are the center of chaos and Islamic fundamentalism in the world.

Thanks for your support.

IRANdokht aziz,   Bush

IRANdokht aziz,  

Bush was incompetent. Whether he inherited those obstacles or not, he was incompetent in dealing with many of those problems. That different than saying that Bush was a “crusader”, and “hates Islam”, or “wants oil”. That was what some leftist pop culture and propaganda tools in the U.S and world made us to believe. That’s were we got it wrong. As result of that, we stopped blaming Islamists and others for what they were doing, and just kept riding on the irrational anti Bush band wagon. The result of that was Isalmists gaining lot of leverage and power, and now that Bush is gone, poor Obama, and poor Iranians, and poor world, have to deal with a monster called IRI and Islamist fundamentalism.

I blame the IRI because I look at the big picture. Please tell me aziz, why is it so hard to understand that IRI created a culture of death out of Islam and that culture was adopted by many Muslims? Why is it so hard to understand aziz? Let me ask you this, did the Iraqis blow themselves up killing innocent women and children when they were under British occupation? Did Palestinians do that when they were fighting Israelis prior to the establishment of Hamas and Islamic Jihad? Did the Afghanis do that when they were occupied by USSR? The answer is NO. why? Because the culture wasn’t spread there yet. They managed to kick the Soviets out without resorting to mass-murdering their own people, didn’t they?

You talk about desperation, why doesn’t Tibetans blow themselves up killing people? Why didn’t East Timorians do that when they were occupied? Why didn’t Arabs themselves do that prior to 1979? Didn’t they achieve what they wanted without blowing themselves up? Lets see. Didn’t Algeria gain its independence without suicide bombing? How about Egypt? How about Morocco? They fought the French, didn’t they? Did they blow themselves up in markets killing people? NO. How about Iraq itself?

Look at the average age of suicide bombers. What do you think it is? 20-30. when did the IRI come to power? 30 years ago. What was their, and is their, trillion times stated goal? The creation of an Islamic state, and the means of doing that is martyrdom culture. Aziz, I really wish you take a trip to any Arabic country and listen to what the Imams say in mosques. Or even Pakistan, or Afghanistan. They all wanna be Khomeini. They all parrot Khomeini! Khomeini introduced this culture to them. He mixed religion and politics. They accepted it. UBL himself said that he is following the path of Khomeini. Please look it up.  Khomeini said that if any non-Muslims looks at you wrong, he is after your religion. And as result, he needs to be eliminated, and giving your life, is not only not wrong, but encouraged. The result of that was that every dispute that any Muslims nation had with any non-Muslim suddenly became a “war on Islam”, or “Islamophobia”…and he said that Islam is everything, if you don’t have it, you’re nothing, and he promised eternal heaven. And IRANdokht aziz, THEY ACCEPTED IT! not that they came together and signed something saying they accepted it, it was a cultural influence by the IRI regime. IRANdokht ziz, come on dear!

American Wife, are you a real American with Irish flag?

I thought this country rejected McCarthyism, Xenophobia and anti immigrant racism. Guess I was watching a different country. Now you say that someone who wasn't born here is not American? You couldn't be more wrong legally, ethically and realistically. I am willing to wager almost every Iranian living in the US has more understanding of America than Americans like Brittany Spears and OJ Simpson. I continue to be impressed by Iranian-American, Indian-American and Asian-American kids outperforming average white middle class kids in English and civics.

Some have said that naturalized immigrants are actually more American than native born Americans. No one has ever asked native born Americans if they want to be American, they have never had to take a legal oath or sign anything for citizenship. This is why so many have no clue what they have and how to value it. This is not so with Immigrants. Being born in the United States means nothing. Both Presidential candidates could easily have been considered foreign born immigrants. Obama was born in Hawaii only 2 years after it became a US state, and McCain was born in a non-state territory.

Many Americans are proud of their ethnic heritage. Look at yourself, you are using a Irish flag. African Americans are proud of their heritage, so are Mexian Americans and Iranian Americans. There is no contradiction in that unless you only consider Euro-Americans to be "real" Americans.

I am writing to let you know that there are other points of view on this. You will not be acting American at all if you have two classes of citizens.

Anonym7,   That was kind

Anonym7,  

That was kind a low, even on part of someone like you.

By the way, apparently you’re the one who “lacks intelligence”, because by “intelligence”, I meant, intelligence service, not “intellect”.

 YT aziz, 

I’m not sure what you were trying to get at in your last posting. First off, we need to know who those “historians” are. Because, apparently these days, everyone is ideologically motivated. Second of all, I agree with some of things you mentioned. I’m just glad that in that one part, you mentioned that Saddam “thought” he got the green light. Aziz, you can’t blame your own shortfalls on others. Do you believe at all in self-responsibility? So blame Saddam, not others. Third, the point of my posting was the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, not the Iraqi war. There are two different things. Fourth, even in all your posting, you yourself state other players roles that led to the Iraq war. So, that goes back to my point which was lets blame whoever is responsible to blame, not just blame everything on Bush.

So again, you posted a calendar of some events (although the rational of them are highly suspectable) that eventually led to the Iraq war. Not sure how that relates to what I said.

And one last comment about your response to Zion, what the Iraqi guy did will looks bad on Iraqis, not Bush. Bush can look bad on what he did about Iraq, yes, but, what the Iraqi guy did didn’t really hurt GW. Bush is unpopular as it is before getting hit with that shoe. So what did the Iraqis guy accomplish besides 1- stirring up emotions amongst some Muslims 2- Showed incivility on part of Iraqis and Muslims. I always said that the biggest problem with us Iranians is that we justify ANY reaction to ANY action. Apparently, some of us forgot what civility is. Many nations have resisted foreign military interference, whom on earth has ever showed that while you have foreign army presence in your country, you can go and blow yourself up in markets and restaurants and kill helpless people from your own country? That’s only one horrific side effect of Islamic fundamentalism.

Thanks anyway.

YT

I remember those reports clearly. It made for quite compelling arguments back then too.

There's no doubt that the entire plan to go into Iraq was poorly conceived, poorly planned, and executed so horribly that to call it a colossal screw up would be an understatement.

But rather than lay the blame on just one person, there needs to be an acknowledgment that this was the culmination of a chain of events that was bungled from the beginning by an entire cast of shady characters.

The intel that came from there was, in word, worthless. But because that was the primary source of data, it was taken for granted and relied upon as being the gospel truth. Not just in the matter of the WMDs, but also surrounding activities in the 1990s. Good intel would have confirmed that the WMDs everyone was concerned about were either already used by Saddam, or destroyed. Saddam was a sick piece of garbage, but he was a sneaky and crafty sick piece of garbage.

GWB's single greatest blunder was not vaporizing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border to get bin Laden first. Honestly, W had the opportunity to go down in history as a hero, and he blew it.

Then to make matters worse, he says "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq, but clearly showed that he had no exit strategy at all. When you think about it, they still don't have an exit strategy. The Iraqis had to give the U.S. what amounts to an eviction notice!

Personally, I would love to see the morons in the intel community who likely paid tens of millions of dollars to gather data that was worth less than Enron stock be strung up by their toenails.

Anonymous8

Once again IRI style of communication:

1. Bully Tactics
2. Insults
3. Manipulation

First of all ordinary Iranian can't afford Azadi universities established by corrupt IRI regime.

Second, their level of standards is way below other university's in the country

Third, you call me a coward and a liar.

Coward I agree with you I am not in the country to kick to fight IRI and IRI supporters like you along with million others.

Liar no, not all.

IRI has not built one single stadium, university or infrastructure after the Shah regime.

3 years the country had a profit in 100 billions but the annual budget for the country was 200 million.

However, IRI support for hamas and Hizbollah was in billions.

Even according to IRI statistics.

Unemployment rate 20%
Inflation rate way above 20%

Ordinary people can't survive and buy basic needs.

Coward yes I am, Liar no way

American Wife

Thank you for your well said comments here.

I have lived in this country for 20 years and I will never say I am the same as an American who was born here.

1. He or she has invested her life and her hope in this country and really believe in the USA flag, not some fake pretend American wannabe.

2. If I have to I will defend this country because I truly believe in USA constitution, despite we elected Bush we also were able to point out his flaws and mistakes without been executed, do you think that is possible in Iran?

Therefore; Bush is 1000 times better than leaders in Iran. The guy took a shoe but laughed at it. In Iran you die because of that action.

By the way do you think that act was possible under Saddam regime.

First of all the Journalist was a Shia and second he insulted a leader. Under Saddam he would have been executed immediately.

Did Bush make a mistake? Sure, is he going to be accountable yes. This is America.

IRI leaders have made mistakes? Sure, are they accountable? NO, IRI system.

Is Bush regime better than IRI regime? of course

These IRI supporters live and breathe here and they also want to change American life and style of living.

America is the best country in the world, that is why even IRI terrorists can freely talk here on Iranian.com.

I truly hope they get identified and jailed since they don't even deserve to talk.

Dear American wife,

Dear T.,

I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed reading each point of your comment, (especially after going through so many hateful and childish "stuff"), and I couldn't agree more with you dear! You said it the best!

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this chaos!

Azarin

Dyslexia

is not curable but there are methods to control it. If you are trained and if you are careful, you can read and write almost as efficiently and as faultlessly as a normal person.
...and thanks by the way.

boy... what a bunch of experts on

being American.  I laugh at all of you.  You're here for 15 - 20 years and you're now experts on America and being American.  The same ones who take such pride in being "Iranian".... so, which is it?  Because you pay taxes or you've lived here for some years, you're American? 

Uhh... I don't think so.  How conveniently you switch back and forth.  When you're talking about your motherland and hamvatans, you're Iranian.  When you talk about rights and freedom, you're American. 

I'm way behind the 8-ball on this thread and would have to spend the entire day responding to so many specific comments.   Probably not worth my time.  But a couple of them are...

Zion.  Thank you for many of your comments.  I disagree with much that you say but I do appreciate your support of America.  There isn't alot of respect for America on this site, even (especially) from those who live here and enjoy her opportunites.  (ps... there is no such thing as remnants of dyslexia... you either are or you aren't.  Trust me, this IS something I have MASSIVE information on)

I hugely support what this guy did.  He's Iraqi... he hates what the war has done to his country.  More power to him.

Bush is an asshole.  No surprise there.  US shouldn't have started war in Iraq.  But we did.  Now it's time to get the hell out of there and help the Iraqis anyway we can to get back to THEM governing their own country.

There is more fighting between all of you on this site than there is in the world.  Thank God you don't have any weapons, other than your viperous tongues. 

You're supposedly all Iranians (or American depending on the subject of the day).  Those who call for a surgical strike on the mullahs are anti-Iranian... scum bags who would kill their own countrymen.  Those who don't... are IRI.  If you don't like someone, they're IRI.  You sound like a bunch of children.  You call each other names based on your personal beliefs.  If you are Jewish and support Israel, you're a fanatic Zionist.  As opposed to being called an Islamic terrorist if you support Iran.  Who can keep up with it all.

Every single thread becomes the same thing.  Accusations flung right and left.  Can't you just discuss something without getting personal?  Can't you debate without calling someone an American war monger or an IRI supporter or MEK or Zionist???  And the excuses you give... well, SHE said this... or HE said that.  I don't think you have the vaguest idea what anyone else is saying.  I don't think you read close enough to know... you see a particular name and without much deliberation, you automatically condemn their comments.  Just because it's "blank" and you want to jump their shit.

Americans.  What a joke.

Master Kaveh N

Good to have you back dude, just wanted to bring couple of points to your attention, if I may:

[The Manning Memo

On January 31, 2003, Bush met in the Oval Office with British Prime Minister Tony Blair. In a memo summarizing the meeting discussion, Blair's chief foreign policy advisor David Manning wrote that Bush and Blair expressed their doubts that any chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons would ever be found in Iraq, and that there was tension between Bush and Blair over finding some justification for the war that would be acceptable to other nations. Bush was so worried about the failure of the UN inspectors to find hard evidence against Hussein that he talked about three possible ways, Manning wrote, to "provoke a confrontation" with Hussein. One way, Bush said, was to fly "U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, [falsely] painted in UN colors. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach" of UN resolutions and that would justify war. Bush was calculating to create a war, not prevent one.....]

[Denying Blix's Findings

Hans Blix, the United Nation's chief weapons inspector in Iraq, in his March 7, 2003, address to the UN Security Council, said that as of that date, less than 3 weeks before Bush invaded Iraq, that Iraq had capitulated to all demands for professional, no-notice weapons inspections all over Iraq and agreed to increased aerial surveillance by the U.S. over the "no-fly" zones. Iraq had directed the UN inspectors to sites where illicit weapons had been destroyed and had begun to demolish its Al Samoud 2 missiles, as requested by the UN. Blix added that "no evidence of proscribed activities have so far been found" by his inspectors and "no underground facilities for chemical or biological production or storage were found so far." He said that for his inspectors to absolutely confirm that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction (WMD) "will not take years, nor weeks, but months."

Mohamed ElBaradei, the chief UN nuclear inspector in Iraq and director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the UN Security Council that, "we have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapon program in Iraq."...]

Full report:
//www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/09/883...

Have a good one
-YT

Farhad khan

There are those who get what you are saying in its entirety, and there are those who don't. They are the ones who accuse you of lacking objectivity, yet are so blinded by their displeasure at the course of events in the past 8 years, that they have become physically unable to be objective themselves.

Their blindness also precludes them from seeing how the events of the past 8 years were conceived and were gestating long before the year 2000. These detractors will never concede that point of fact. This venomous dislike they have for Bush has overpowered their ability to see the big picture.

For example, they will tell you that the war was based on a lie concerning WMDs because ultimately none were found. The reality is that there were indeed WMDs, as it was the U.S. who manufactured and sold them to Saddam in the first place. Some were used against Iran, some were used to gas Kurds, and some used in Desert Storm. If any remained, they were destroyed on Saddam's orders. But these detractors will never concede that. They will simply continue to lay the blame solely and squarely upon an administration that was deemed as an illegitimate presidency by a small yet influential and powerful contingent, months before that first Boeing 767 slammed into the WTC.

This is how CIVILIZED people do it........

Some said the Reporter who threw the SHOE at Bush was [ an uncivilized animal]

Mr. Zion was right, because this is how CIVILIZED people do it:

//current.com/items/89627111/cheney_admits_au...

[Cheney admits authorizing detainee's torture ..]

[..I supported it," he said regarding the practice known as "water-boarding," a form of simulated drowning. After World War II, 7 Japanese soldiers were tried and convicted of war crimes in US courts for water-boarding one American soldier and executed for it, a practice which the outgoing Bush administration attempted to enshrine in policy. .....]

Karma is a b#@%&h ain't it?
-YT

can saying nothing?

that ain't Dyslexia by the way

خوب من که گفتم هول نشو

Farhad jan

Do you think that poor Bush had a lot of obstacles to face and he only made some small mistakes that should not be held against him? Obama is facing much bigger obstacles now than Bush ever did when he went to the office. Is it ok to expect Obama to leave the world in a worse shape than he inherited from Bush?

Bush had a job to do and he displayed such incompetence, greed and corrupted morale that reduced the American president's status to a clown who ducks shoes while the whole world laughs at him! He reduced the status of the US presidency to an idiot who is asked questions as if he was a child: did you have an uh-oh moment? what do you think of the booboo you made in Iraq? oh puhleaaaze! 

How can you still respect him and defend him? 

I am sorry Farhad jan but between the two of us, you're the one who should stop believing the news media and look at the situation objectively.

You minimize the role that USA played in the chaos in Iraq and blame what's happened on IRI. Not because you have a point, but just due to your own strong negative feelings for IRI. That's not objectivity.

How can you possibly stop suicide bombing? stop pressuring the people who are desperate enough to get themselves killed!  No you can't do it with a police force, you can do it with justice and respect for human lives.

Why do you think that the country that Bin Laden hated during the reign of Saddam became Al-Qaeda's major recruiting center? Was that the work of IRI or Bush?

When you create a situation where people are desperate, have lost everything, there are bombs raining on their heads and there are foreign soldiers raiding their homes every night, they have no jobs, no schools, no work, no family left to defend, what do you expect them to do? they join the gangs, the underground militia, the terrorist groups. Who created that situation? IRI? or Bush?  please leave your prejudices aside and take a fresh look at the administration you are defending!   

IRANdokht

Mr. Farhad Kashani,,,, This is a long one ......

According to historians....
[...During the Cold War, Iraq had been chiefly an ally of the Soviet Union and there was a history of friction between it and the United States. The U.S. was concerned with Iraq’s role in Israeli–Palestinian politics and its disapproval of moves toward peace between Israel and Egypt. The U.S. also disliked Iraqi support for various Arab and Palestinian militant groups such as Abu Nidal, which led to its inclusion on the incipient U.S. list of state sponsors of international terrorism on 29 December 1979. The U.S. remained officially neutral during the outbreak of hostilities in the Iran–Iraq War, although it assisted Iraq covertly. In March 1982, however, Iran began a successful counteroffensive (Operation Undeniable Victory) and the United States began to more concertedly support Iraq to prevent Iran from overrunning the region.....]

[...On Wednesday July 25, 1990, the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border. The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement which opposes Kuwait to Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts". She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a DIPLOMATIC GREEN LIGHT from the UNITED STATES to invade Kuwait (New York Times, September 23, 1990).....]

[...On August 2, 1990 at 0200 hours, Iraq launched an invasion with four elite Iraqi Republican Guard divisions......]

[....Operation Desert Shield
Acting on the policy of the Carter Doctrine, and out of fear the Iraqi army could launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia, U.S. President George H. W. Bush (AKA PAPA BUSH] quickly announced that the U.S. would launch a "wholly defensive" mission to prevent Iraq from invading Saudi Arabia – Operation Desert Shield was when U.S. troops were moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990 (or August 8 depending on time zone used).[12] This "wholly defensive" doctrine was to be quickly abandoned. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.....]

[....Prelude to the invasion

The Gulf War terminated on April 11, 1991 with a cease-fire negotiated between the U.S. and its allies and Iraq. The U.S. and its allies maintained a policy of “containment” towards Iraq. This policy involved numerous and crushing economic sanctions, U.S. and UK enforcement of Iraqi no-fly zones declared by the U.S. and the U.K. to protect Kurds in northern Iraq and Shias in the south, and ongoing inspections to prevent Iraqi development of chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. Iraqi military helicopters and planes regularly contested the no-fly zones....]

[....In October 1998, regime change became official U.S. policy with enactment of the "Iraq Liberation Act." Enacted following the withdrawal of U.N. weapons inspectors the preceding August, the act provided $97 million for Iraqi "democratic opposition organizations" to "establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq."....]

[..With the election of George W. Bush as U.S. President in 2000, the U.S. moved towards a more active policy of “regime change” in Iraq. The Republican Party's campaign platform in the 2000 election called for "full implementation" of the Iraq Liberation Act and removal of Saddam Hussein, and key Bush advisors, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and Rumsfeld’s Deputy Paul Wolfowitz, were longstanding advocates of invading Iraq....]

[....Government statements that set the stage for war

The U.S. government has tried to sell the notion that the war against Iraq is critical to the American "War on Terrorism": "In the war on terror, Iraq is now the central front..." President Bush said on December 14, 2005 (Bush, George W. "President Discusses Iraqi Elections, Victory in the War on Terror." White House, Official Press Release). Also, the public was asked to believe that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was connected to 9/11: "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001..." (Bush, George W. "President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended" White House, Official Press Release, May 1, 2003]. In the lead up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney suggested during a, "Meet the Press" interview that Iraq was involved in the September 11 attack: Iraq is, "the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11." [Davies, Frank. "Study: Misperceptions About Iraq War Contributed to Support For It." Knight-Ridder, October 3, 2003.)..]

[...Orchestrated deception campaign

President Bush and Bush Administration officials made hundreds of false statements in an orchestrated public relations campaign to galvanize public opinion for the war, according to a study by two not-for-profit journalism organizations.....]

[....Manufactured Evidence

A letter concocted by the CIA

Based on the statements of several named CIA senior officials who spoke on record, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist Ron Suskind's book "The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism" states that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a letter made to appear as a letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush, to Saddam Hussein and backdated to July 1, 2001.[4] The White House also wanted the forged letter to state that Saddam was buying yellowcake from Niger with help from a "small team from the al Qaeda organization."....]

[...Searching for a justification for invasion, Vice President Cheney's office had been pressuring the CIA to prove that an operation link existed between Saddam and al-Qaeda. Pursuant to the White House order, the CIA concocted the handwritten letter, with Habbush's name on it, and then hand-carried it agent to Baghdad for dissemination."

CIA Director George Tenet returned from the White House with the assignment written on White House stationery, and assigned the task to CIA operatives. CIA officers Richer and John Maguire, were in charge of the Iraq Operations Group. They are both on the record in Suskind’s book confirming the existence of the fake Habbush letter.

The forged letter was released and written about by Western news sources, including the London Sunday Telegraph, as evidence of Iraq government links to 9/11. NBC News reported the letter as “really concrete proof that al-Qaeda was working with Saddam.” During the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the U.S. "resettled" Habbush to a safe house in Jordan during and then paid him $5 million in what, according to Suskind, could only be considered "HUSH MONEY."...]

Mr. Kashani, with all due respect, GW BUSH did noit inherit the [PROBLEM] cause by-as you put it- [Islamic fundamentalism]. Mr. Bush CONCOCTED the justification for the invasion with deliberate LIES and DECEPTION, of not only American public, but WHOLE WORLD.

Sorry ke roodeh derazi kardam :)

Respectfully
-YT

No my dear

It has nothing to do with the education systems, it is just the remnants of sever Dislexia I have had most of my life. I usually try to be careful about correcting them, but talking to imbeciles here, I sort of let it go. My bad.
Nice to see you can saying nothing about the contents of what I said by the way.

I agree with Mr. Kashani

Mr. Kashni says: "You can do little with intelligence"

Kashani_jan, I totally agree with your statement, it perfectly applies to you and Mr. Bush.
-take it easy Kash

I think the shoes were too small

I think the story is not political. I think this Arab got restless, since the shoes were one size too small for him. He was mad at Bush, as it was because of his presence in Iraq and this press conference that the Arab was forced to wear his brother's shoes...otherwise he could happily spend his time walking in sands of Arabestan..:-)

????????

Lets see if i have this correct.....

This antiIRI guy thinks that YT is everybody and everybody is YT?????????

Jenabe anti IRI, tell u one thing, YT is so ZESHT that no one else could be like him, so give it up baba and get over your paranoia so you can PROPERLY keep exposing IRI agents (LOL)

Master KouroshS summed up the antiIRI's problem perfectly so no need for me to repeat

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-YT

IRANdokht, we shouldn't be

IRANdokht, we shouldn't be buying everything that media tells us, and I'm talking about media all over the world. Just because someone belives that Bush is incompetent, doesn't mean he/she supposed to forget the root cause of many problems that existed before Bush came to power that Bush had to face. Islamic fundamentalism was there and strong. Bush had to face it, and he made mistakes trying to deal with it, including going to Iraq. That doesn't mean that Islamic fundamentalism, which again, was inspired and initiated by the IRI, is Bush's fault. Its a cultural, educational and political issue relating to many things that have gone wrong in Muslim societies. We need to be objective.

Yes U.S had responsibility of policing Iraq, but what happened after Iraqis democratically elected their own government? Whos responsible then? Presence of U.S force in Iraq does not mean Iraq is "occupied". U.S has presence in over 100+ countries, including for example England, Does that mean England is occupied?

One last and most important point, how can you possibly, realistically, stop suicide bombing with police force, without tackling the cultural and social causes of it? I'm talking about realistically here. I know you are an objective person and anti IRI, thats why I feel you can understand what I'm saying. When making a bomb is so easy and when a country like Iraq is exhasuted of 3 decades of war and destruction, how can you possibly use "tools and weapons" to stop suicide bomibng? There is no way. You can do little with intelligence, but you can do a lot with marginalizing and defeating the ideology of Martyrdom. Iraqi Islamists have the right to kill U.S soldiers, I understand, but U.S is not their main target. Their goal is to intimidate the government to adhere to their power. By creating chaos, they can gain leverage. Please be objective.

No Zion, YOU don't know what it is to be American

To be American is to not accept tyranny, and you singlehandedly deciding who is American and who is not is tyranny. That is no different than Khamenei deciding who is muslim or who is not and who has rights and who does not. Or the Israeli government deciding which of its subjects have rights and which don't based on their religious or ethnic background.

And now you want to talk about freedom? And fighting for freedom? Well fighting for freedom does NOT consist of occupying another country against all international law, and false accusations of your "intelligence" community. Or to completely wrecklessly avoid your responsibilty to provide security as the occupying force after you have dismantled all government by your invasion. Are Americans in Iraq fighting for freedom? Or for a lie? And if you disagree with this, are the majority of Americans who DO agree with this also "not American"?

To be American is to question your government and hold it accountable, not to call those who do so "unAmerican" or unpatriotic. To be American is to NOT discriminate based on religion- like Israel and the Islamic Republic do- giving preference to one religion over another.

If the Soviet Union had invaded Israel, operated a prison like Abu Ghraib in Israel, and let anarchy reign for 5 years, and then the Soviet premier would show up in Tel Aviv for a news conference, I wonder how "gracious" the Israeli reporters would be, and how much "gratitude" the Israeli population would be showing the Soviet Union during such a visit.

It is not up to you who is American and who is not.  Your opinion on this matter is even more worthless than that piece of paper. 

-FAIR

قدرت کفش

خبرنگاران و آزادیخواهان جهان، قلم هایتان، دوربین هایتان، ضبط صوت‌هایتان را باز نشسته کنید که هیچ چیز به اندازه کفش‌هایتان موثر نیست!

البته کمی‌ جربزه هم بی‌ تاثیر نیست. 

Persian pride

Nader1234,

A) For many Iranians camels, and donkeys for that matter, are the main mode of transportation.

B) I'm sure BMW sells as many cars in Arab countries as to Iranians, if not more.

C) Riding camels is not a sign of backwardness, neither is owning a BMW proof of intelligence or civility.

D) Too much Persian pride is not good for mental health or rational thought.

Shoes

If you can`t stand the heat .Get out of kitchen.
Zende bad Iran.
Arabs are Pissed because they ride camels and we drive BMW`w.
cao
PS sorry shoe did not hit him.May be better luck next time.

Arab TV reaction to Shoe attack