Anyway

Q O Q

Your inability to answer broke our hearts Q. ;-)
You owe us two questions. Saddam's hero status due to his struggles against imperialims and Zionism in his last decade, and Anonymous Observer's question about upper bounds on killings that still merrit polite questioning. At both times a really silly and shallow sista tried to come to resque and fill in, but she is more of an embarrassament than an aid.
You blew again buddy.

More Preditions from a History Professor

The Military Industrial Complex is working hard to prevent the formation of next generation IFPs, or improvised footwear projectiles (AKA geeveh)

Surface to shoe missiles, or SSMs, will be the most effective detterent against these geevehpas. The Military Industrial Complex calls the $50,000,000 SSM systems a bargain.

the amazing antiIRI!? (to YT)

Dear YT: what do you expect from Zion's disciple?
As we Isfahanis say:
peesh_namAz_ke_gooz_kooned
pas_namAz_chalgooz_kooned

I like our Israeli friends so much!
Amir_jan, please translate for our Zion_jAn.

FACTS according to antiIRI,,,,,,LOL

According to Mr. antiIRI, these are the facts about Iran:

[...Fact in Iran if you are human you are treated like an animal....]

Case is solved, Since according to antiIRI all HUMAN are treated like animals then there MUST be EQUAL RIGHTS for everyone right??????

Sorry but cant contain my laughter.... LOL

-YT

Update........

[....Abdul Satar Birqadr, a spokesman for Iraq’s High Judicial Council said that al-Zaidi faces up to 15 years in prison....]

//current.com/items/89630829/shoe_thrower_fac...

Thats what I call GW Bush Style of Democracy.

-YT

An Observer

Paranoia attacks again I suppose!!! I am glad you finally GOT the point anyways.

Chill dude
-YT

Throwing Shoes in

Throwing Shoes in IRI!!!!!!!

It happens there too, but instead Journalists and Photographers are the targets. Throwing shoes is dangerous, specialy when is intended directly to hit someone's head. LETS take a moment and remember our BRAVE sister and brothers for once. Oh ,lets not forget the torture and rape before the blunt hit with SHOE.
LETS DO A LITTLE INVENTORY IN OUR OWN HOMELAD.

PAYANDEH BASHI AY IRAN, MITRA

Ahhhh...YT

You know, they say that it's rude for a person to interject himself in conversation about which he has no idea.....

So, let me take you back to a long, long time ago.....well...actually, it was about 48 hours ago.....when I posted this comment on this thread:

//iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/shoes-thrown-bush-iraq-trippage5

I'm not defending Bush.  I am pointing out hypocricies, double standards and secret agendas....and you would have figured this out if you hadn't limited your reading to my last comment and unintelligently posted a ridiculous comment about it...

Do you now capiche what is going on? 

An. Observer

you say:
[..What if I'm walking by a state maximum security prison during recreation time and I see a whole bunch of convicted murderers walking around in the courtyard. And what if I have an extra pair of shoes on me that I want to throw...let's say for target practice. Who do I throw them at? The serial murderer or the gang banger who just shot one guy so that he can be accepted into the gang? ....]

Question: which one of these resemble Mr. Bush the most? The serial Killer or the Gang-Banger?

You finlay ARE getting the point. ;-)
-YT

Anon. observer

There seems to be an easy solution to your dilemma in picking which criminal to aim at.

The Iraqi reporter threw his shoe at GWB.

You can throw yours at Ahmadinejad.

Problem solved!

IRANdokht

Focus folks......... FOCUS

Lets see if I can make a sense of all these threads and comments:

1. Video depicts a journalist from Iraq who makes a BRAVE and DEMOCRATIC gesture by throwing his shoes (which is considered an ultimate insult in Arab world) at a guy whom he sees as THE responsible party for DESTRUCTION of his home land, and killing of thousands of people from both sides.

2. Many people around the globe approve the action and many don't approve.

3. A blogger posts the video in Iranian.com and ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE.....

4. Usual crowd of [IRI DETECTORS] who are GIFTED with 6th and 7th sense of DETECTING alleged IRI supporter thousands of miles away see it as their platform to KEEP exposing IRI agents - WHICH HAPPENS TO BE EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES.

5. With each comments, things get uglier and uglier, to a point in which some of the commentators cant HOLD BACK anymore and truly expose what kind of background they come from, by using ugliest word they can think of without getting censored.

6. In the process main subject gets lost after about 10 or 20 comments.

They say WWIII may start in middle-east but I say WWIII and the RAPTURE will start in Iranian.com

JUST IN CASE anyone is interested to find out what really happened and events that led to Iraq war here is the REAL STORY from the HORSE'S mouth(CIA)

//www.foia.cia.gov/

Follow the link above to CIA library, [FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT-FOIA] SECTION, and search for documents containing WMD. You should see dozens of reports, various volumes of following report:
VOL I COMPREHENSIVE REPORT OF THE SPECIAL ADVISOR TO THE DCI ON IRAQ'S WMD.

Click on the report (not to worry it won't bite you), and find out for yourselves what really happened.

lets see if this conversation can get back to its original and intended track.

Good day
-YT

Zion - You're Absolutely Right

We do need to know the bounds.  What if I'm walking by a state maximum security prison during recreation time and I see a whole bunch of convicted murderers walking around in the courtyard.  And what if I have an extra pair of shoes on me that I want to throw...let's say for target practice.  Who do I throw them at?  The serial murderer or the gang banger who just shot one guy so that he can be accepted into the gang?

We do need to know the bounds.  Q should really step forward and give us the precise numbers--preferably in some kind of an easy to carry flash card thingy that we can carry in our wallets-- so that we know exactly who to bless with the shoe if the situation calls for it.

U.S is going down! (to Kashani, ...)

Kashani says: "So they're giving it one last push to make belief for themselves that U.S is going down !"

Kashani_jAn, who knows where U.S or much of the world will end up after these recent economic disasters, and widespread corruption. One thing however is certain, U.S has a very good chance of coming out of these problems, because of many outspoken objective people such as Michael Scheuer the CIA veteran, Keith Olberman the journalist, Robert Bear the CIA veteran, Seymour Hersh the journalist, George Soros the billionaire, John Stewart the comedian ....
On the other hand your attempt of rewriting history, bending reality, and exaggerations does more harm than good for your beloved U.S.

Obsession with Arabs (to Amir_jAn)

antiIRI says: "Conclusion here is Arabs are not friends of Iranian people."

Amir_jAn, you like it or not Israelis and Iranians are living among millions and millions of Arabs. Specially Jewish Israelis are a tiny group compared to Arabs. The sooner you know this reality the better your chance of recovery!

Its ironic that IRI

Its ironic that IRI supporters claim U.S is "indirectly" responsible for whats going on Iraq, as if U.S ever promoted the culture of suicide bombing and martyrdom, but they refuse to admit that IRI is "directly and indirectly" responsible for the death culture they created, because acording to them, "indirectly doesn't count" when it comes to everyone besides the U.S!!!!!!!!

Hypocrisy just never ends. Does it? Let them have fun few more days till Bush is in power, and democratically, leaves office. Just the fact that Bush came and gone through a democratic process where he respected the process is enough to show how Bush's "shaash" is a million times more respected than any of their beloved fascists like Khamenei and Putin and others. What they gonna say after then? That Obama is "Zionist"!!! That Obama "hates Islam" and is "an oil man" and ......!!! They are still bitter over Socialism's defeat by the hands of U.S. and they know that the days of so called "anti U.S" regimes such as IRI are numbered. So they're giving it one last push to make belief for themselves that U.S is going down !

Shoes Wanted

So sorry
he needs more shoes .

There has to be a lower bound to distinguish between the two

No Q, I am not "engaging" you in any debate that might upset you. Now I'm just asking questions for clarification:
Surely there must be a lower bound. See, comparisons that you talk of are for instance when A and B are present together somewhere, and after comparing them to each other, Q decides to throw his shoes at A instead of B. Limited resources, a choice must be made. Fair enough.
But you prescribe shoes for one, and polite questioning for another. Totally different responses at separate and independent situations. This creates a spectrum of reactions Q. On one end we have Bush and two shoes, on the other end we have Ahmadinejad and polite questioning. There must be a lower bound when shoes end and polite questions begin. What is that number. How many people killed? Enlighten us, just in case we found ourself somewhere with our shoes and wanted to decide whether the target is on shoe Q-level or on politeness Q-level.

Zion, you really ought to stick to your own principles

I know you said you wouldn't "engage" me before. You also said you "could not help it" earlier.

You really need to work on your discipline and self-control, this is getting ridiculous. What kind of self-respecting individualist succombs to constantly losing control?

To answer your question, since you clearly misunderstand, It's not about "bounds". Bounds are irrelevant. We are making a comparison here, courtesy of the "hypocrisy" charge that our friend AO has brought.

What is relevant is that George W. Bush is a far bigger murdering criminal than Ahmadinejad. That, easily provable fact, is all that's necessary to know.

Once again, "OJ Simpson" versus "Adolf Hitler"...

Numbers Q, give us numbers

What is the lower bound of those killed to merrit one shoe?

I found it funny, but did not advocate it.

She has actually advocated ethnic cleansing, but you're right, she is not responsible for it... unlike some people we are discussing in this thread...

Anything else I can do for you?
If you're asking me to help you sleep at night holding such views, I'm not sure I'm capable.

Oope, I forgot...

one more things...what about Anne Coulter.  Since we know she hasn't killed anyone, shouldn't she be treated as politely as our non-killing person Ahmadinejad?  Why the advocacy of violence in her case?  can you enlighten us please?

Anytime my friend

come back when you have something worth talking about. I'll be waiting.

Goodnight.

Goodbye Q-

Nighty night....sweet dreams of sugar plums and butterflies....

Good reasoning, Anonymous Observer

Yes, the treatment should fit the crime, what a radical concept hey?

Yes, there is a difference between OJ Simpson and Adolf Hitler. I know it's hard to believe... but it's called "objective assessment."

How many people has Ahmadinejad killed by the way? Can you show me any figures? OK, show me the "crime against humanity" that Ahmadinejad has committed.

Please, I'm waiting.

In my book anyone who kils one person is deserving of a shoe in the face

No my friend. You simply do not practice what you preach. When people killed are Iraqi or Palestinian, or when the perpetrators are American or Israeli or the Pahlavi regime you do not seem to care as much. (As evidenced by your lack of corresponding outrage expressed in this thread).

This is the case with Zion (just called Iraqis "scum") and some others as well.

Unfortunately, there is a term for when you do not consider some crimes worthy, but concentrate disperportionately on others: It's called 'prejudice.' It is a sign of bigotry and/or racism. Look it up, honest!

You didn't invent this argument by the way. The Israelis have popularized it, if not invented it. If you can say "killing 1000 people" is as bad as "killing 1 person", you justify what Israelis are doing. Killing 100 in exchange for 1. It is a well established, but shameless and unethical practice of pure opportunism which reinforces the racism that says some lives are worth more.

AntiIran: Not that I feel like getting into anything with you. But you must not have been paying attention. You, too, are committing a arbitrary timeline to boost your case. How about we compare Nazi German crimes ONLY from 1934-1935 ? Why not consider a time period for comparison of Iran/US only from 2003-2005?

Your second fallacy is that you value some lives worth more than others. Americans were bombing Nicaragua and supplying Saddam Hussein with Cheimcal weapons, you say those lives don't count because they were not "American" or "own citizens" ? What kind of ethics is that?

That's enough for you to ponder right now.

Anonymous Observer,

that was a very interesting catch. Good job.

Zion...

Good point.  I was wondering about that myself... and what about Anne Coulter?  She hasn't killed anyone...how come she deserves a pie in the face?!!

Questions..oh...questions

Maybe we must ask Q to give us his lower and upper bounds, just in case. Exacetly how many people should you have been responsible of killing to qualify for one sho? How many more to get the other pair? Is it a linear growth, do you have to kill twice as many to get two shows, or is it some other more complicated functoin? Is there a smaller threshold for slippers? For socks? So many things to ask....

Q

You can't even start answering the guy's question.

More importantly you can't even back your own claim.

Neither Bush nor any American government from 1980-2008 has killed any AMERICAN CITIZENS because they are against American policies.

However, in IRI, the regime has killed over millions of IRANIAN CITIZENS because they were against IRI policies.

The irony here is you are even applauding the action of that hamal.

Do you think if you were in Iran you could have applauded those students who spoke against IRI?

Lets be honest since you are such a deep thinker and philosopher, what will happen to you in Iran under IRI system if you even say that Ahmadinejad should be called Antarinejad?

Let me give you a hint -- Think of the yellow cranes

Q

I am glad that Q gets to Show his true face to all here again. Throw a shoe at Bush but monkey face ahmaghinejad does not deserve it as much because he has not killed as many people. By the same standard, Mr. Q should complain more about Arabs since Arabs have killed more Arabs than the Zionist? The ratio is probably 100 to 1. Yet 99% of the time Mr. Q complains about Zionists and argues with the Zions of the world. This is what happens whenn you read to many books by Chomsky.

Goodbye Q-

So the measure is "how many" people one has killed?  So, if the despot is responsible for killing...oh..let's say, a 1000 people he should be treated differently from a person who is guilty of killing 10,000 people.  I don't know about you Q (and perhaps that's the difference between a person like me and a person like you) but in my book, they are both guilty of crimes against humanity and they both deserve a shoe in the face....In my book anyone who kilss one person is deserving of a shoe in the face....again, that's the difference between me and you...

Goodbye, Q....