Children of Hamas

Oh, really?

Kaveh.

Spare me the smart talk, alright? i am not here to hear about your busy life and what important things you do or do not have.
If you really had more important things to do, you would have done so and let go by now, so obviously you enjoy having these little exchanges. And that is where you need to be honest with yourself.

Of course i am capable of committing to one side of the debate. Take the dark glasses off and stop twisting words and then you will see for yourself.

Kourosh

So now the PNA is the big bad wolf organization?

No, they're the only entity recognized as the legtimate governing body.

You don't "necessarily" support Hamas'actions? Are you capable of committing to one side of a debate or the other, or do you feel compelled to vacillate in order to be able to readily fit into any part of an argument?

(And you are telling me to be honest with myself.)

Just let this go, OK? We don't agree, and really, I don't give a damn if you do or you don't. See the world and everything in it however you want. I honestly have more important things to worry about than to give a damn about what you or anyone else thinks.

Respect.

Kaveh.

Please. Feel free to include yourself within the ranks of those "crocodile tears" shedding and so-called "open-minded' people. You sound just like them. Just be honest with yourself.
You must forgive me, since i don't lose my nerves over political discussions, and i am quite a stranger when it comes to the phenomenon of "nut-busting" and don't see myself doing that, quite as much as you do.

Oh, so you say that PNA outlawed them? hmm. Sure, Leave it to the big bad wolf organizatio and its bad and corrupt leaders to denounce and oulaw other organizations left and right.
And NO. I DO NOT NECESSARILY support hammas's actions just because i support their legitimacy. But, hey, If it rocks your boat and makes you sleep better at night, Sure. Have it your way.

Israel’s newest spectator sport.

I guess watching TV is getting boring for Israelis. They want to see the REAL BLOOD of children.

//news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/israeli-sightseers-flock-to-border-to-watch-gaza-killings/

Israeli Sightseers Flock to Border to Watch Gaza Killings
Picnicking on Hill Overlooking Gaza, Israelis Engage in World's Creepiest
Spectator Sport
Posted January 12, 2009
Parash Hill, a nature reserve in southern Israel, is a great spot for a picnic.
With lush green fields and a view all the way to the Mediterranean, it is a
serene and picturesque place where residents of Sderot come to quietly enjoy
nature. But in a nation obsessed with the glories of its latest military
adventure, Parash Hill is now a place for Israelis to gather and watch the
death unfold.
They come with binoculars. They bring their families and take pictures. They
rationalize away the deaths of hundreds of children by reasoning that “when
they grow up they’ll also probably be terrorists.” Its like the fourth of July,
only instead of watching fireworks and listening to crappy instrumental music
on the radio they watch with barely restrained jubilation as their neighbors
are killed under a heavy military bombardment and ground forces continue to
pour deeper into the Gaza Strip.
The obsession with watching the violence unfold in the Gaza Strip is
creeping-out even some of their fellow Israelis, who have dubbed the site “The
Hill of Shame” and watch disapprovingly as others participate in Israel’s
newest spectator sport.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Kourosh

If saying that I have this nagging tendency to make odd comparisions and misinterpret inappropriately gets you off, then so be it. Who am I stand in the way of you busting a nut?

Continue to kick this rotting corpse of a horse and say that Hamas is legitimate if that's what soothes you. The PNA outlawed them a year ago. That makes them illegitimate, regardless of the support you say that they have.

Yes, you do say you support what Hamas does by asserting and re-asserting that they're legitimate.

All of that notwithstanding, I am sickened over the loss of civilian life on all sides of this conflict. But unlike all of these so-called open-minded humanity loving people who cry crocodile tears and offer only lip-service, the nationality and/or religion of the victims doesn't alter the level of my compassion and sorrow.

Like I said, we don't have to agree, and clearly we don't. So, you just go your way and I'll go mine, and leave it at that.

Why??

Kaveh.

You have a nagging tendency to make the oddest of all comparisons and misinterpret comments rather inappropriately. Hamas is legitimate because it was voted into power, Democratically. Their horrible acts are certainly not justified on that basis, nevertheless, the legitimicy factor is there, whether you like it or not.

what on earth could that possiblytell you anything at all, in any way, about what i think about KKK or the aryan Brotherhood? did i say i supported what hammas does ? No. Did i defend their charter? NO.
So wake up and smell the coffee, or something! There is a comment posted on Dr. parsi's article on the matter That i really suggest you read WITH AN OPEN MIND:). It is the longest posting on that thread and no way you can miss it.

And No, I did not say Just because they are the bigger power they necessarily are the bad guys!! Rather the fact that Their organization and decipline
, does not exempt them from committing terroristic acts.

wow

you really like getting all cranked up dont you, koroush.

it's hard to discuss something with someone who makes a comment like civilians don't get killed in warfare. you're implying that civilians only get killed when one party cheats ("unless one party decides to cross the line"). be careful what you say. because everyone else in the REAL world knows that iranians killed innocent iraq women and children in the iran-iraq war, right? that is right, isn't it? or is iran the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHO IS INNOCENT OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE? don't twist my words like you like to do. i'm not saying iran did it intentionally, but please please don't tell me that innocent people haven't been killed by iranians in warfare. PLEASE. and dont further twist this to sound anti-iranian. i'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in what your saying. EVERYONE, EVERY COUNTRY, EVERY NATION is quilty of killing innocent people in war. it happens. it's horrible and sickening. but it is NOT exclusive to israel.

do you even understand the difference between the holocaust and whats going on in gaza? no, apparently you don't. you along with so many others want to present a ficticious scenario of innocent palestineans walking around playing jump rope and going to school and getting bombed. this is a war. WAR. the nazi rounded up jews (and poles and gays and catholics, etc.) ... get the difference? THEY ROUNDED THEM UP BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

naked. mothers. separated. from. their. families. and. gassed. thrown. into. ditches.

they had NO weapons. nothing to protect themselves. NOTHING. they couldn't fight back. just thinking of anyone comparing the two makes me sick to my stomach.

if you truly don't see the difference between the holocaust and the WAR in gaza, then i'm done. done with a humanity that could even make such a comparison.

Kourosh

I'm not offended, but I don't take your AIPAC crack as a joke. I'm neither a follower or stooge for any person or group.

As I previously mentioned, we don't have to agree on this or anything else. If you wish to consider Hamas or Hezbollah as some sort of legitimate entity, that's your right. I can only imagine what you think of the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Brotherhood. Neither of them conduct suicide bombings, but I don't consider them legitimate either.

Your assertion that because Israel has an organized and powerful military they're the bad guys reminds me of those people who cry foul when their children are playing soccer in a youth league and they get outscored 15-0 before the first 15 minutes have passed.

Anonforver WHat the heck are

Anonforver

WHat the heck are are you saying? When did i ever even remotely hinted that such an atrocious act would be okay? How could that be all that you, with all your brilliance and wisdom, grasp from what i said?
Once again. Please try and see things for what they are. This IS still a massacre regardless of how many millions of innocent jews (there, are you happy now? I said INNOCENT JEWS)lost their lives back then.

They are Not being "Exterminated" for who they are? Wow. How elegant and how Humane, for someone who still mourns the massacre of Holocaust, to call another one, that is far less in its magnitude, mere extermination. You should really be proud of yourself.
IF it is not for who they are, then it must be for what they eat and what they wear, right? apparently IDF has a problem with falafel-eating, raggedy shirt-wearing palestinians!! So Let's us destroy them all.

The REAL FACT is that, in a war, CIVILIANS don't and should not get killed for any whatsoever, unless one party decides to cross the line. Israel has imposed all forms of sanctions and restrictions on Gazans and has treated that area as a war zone.
Please Excuse Gazans, Forgive them for not having any other place to go and live and seek refudge, which forces them to stay in one of the most heavily populated areas one earth, and be punished by IDF's state-of-the-art naval battleships and fighter jets.

"Unless you're suggesting that iranian.com is only for anti-semintics or those who agree with you and certain others or only for iranians, then dont' suggest that kaveh or zion don't have just as much right as you do to participate.

You have such a passion for twisting and taking comments out of their proper context, don't you!! As if I have any power or authority to really deny them such rights.
Another example of such mastery, comes shinning through when you miread another comment of mine. Again my point was to compare the severity of iraq's bombing, and absolute lack of any grounds for comparison of the kind of damages iran might have caused.

Unbelievable

Kaveh

Don't get offended. I was just making a joke. You and zion uttered such heated and passionate Pro-israeali sentiments that it made it seem as if you belonged to such an organization.

Terrorism does not always come in a form of suicide bombings via militia groups such as hammas. there are organized forms of terroristic acts being committed by superpowers. Throughout your postings You are doing your best to banish hammas and take every ounce of legitimacy from them, yet you forget that just because Israel has a more organized government and legitimacy in the eyes of those who want to see it as legitimate, Does not make their covert crimes and opression of gazans, any less terroristic in nature than that of hammas's.

Thanks for the heads up by the way. I was planning on coming over for a visit, But with your little philosophical analysis of our situation down at the bottom, I am so much more relived as to precisely where we stand.

to kouroush

i'm not sure i DO think numbers make a difference. are you suggesting that if it were an even number of jews killed that you would reconsider your comments about the slaughter of "innocent" palestineans? it wouldn't be so bad if 600 jews were killed as well?

there is no massacre as you want to compare to the holocaust. no palestineans have been rounded up by the thousands and gassed. no palenstineas have been herded like sheep and shot at the brink of a ditch and then covered in lime. they are not being exterminated because of who they are. they are both participants in a WAR.

it's a real fact that civilins die in war. innocent jewish children AND innocent palestineans. everyone knows the pals use their children and women to hide behind. but yet the jews will get blamed for their deaths?

gol-dust and american's comments are disgusting and vulgar. why haven't they been flagged for deletion?

unless you're suggesting that iranian.com is only for anti-semintics or those who agree with you and certain others or only for iranians, then dont' suggest that kaveh or zion don't have just as much right as you do to participate.

oh, and it really wasn't clear. ARE you denying that iran bombed iraq as well? you said they didn't and then you said you couldn't deny it. which is it? and if you admit iran DID bomb iraq, then it will be obvious that YOU make incendiary comments that you KNOW aren't true, just to fan the hatred.

how can there be peace in the world when there is such hatred and lies here on a website?

Kourosh

Whether or not we agree shouldn't make a difference. I have my viewpoints and you have yours. There are likely some everyday things we may see eye to eye on.

However, my position concerning Hamas doesn't make me a member of AIPAC. I am not part of any political action committee. If you want to believe I am, then so be it.

As I mentioned before, there will never be a day where I will give terrorists consideration as human beings, and I will never recognize terrorists as "freedom fighters".

You can choose to see it as differently as you wish. And as much as I disagree with it, I don't feel sorry for you, nor do I want you to feel sorry for me. 

Also, although we aren't enemies, we're not friends in any sense. We're just two people posting on a blog. It is highly unlikely that we will meet, or otherwise engage in any kind of 1 on 1 exchange.

or perhaps these children?????

You are right, Israel must protect herself from these children in diapers. Who knows, they may be hiding SOMETHING in their diapers.

Shame you 

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Are these the CHILDREN you are talking about?

I am only curious, are these the children you are talking about? I should say not to worry about them, with the rate Israeli Criminal Army is going, in few weeks they will MURDER them all.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Yeehaaa!

did not know honorary AIPAC members hold their meetings and high fiving sessions , on this blog.
Kaveh and Zion. You guys deserve a medal for being such active and outspoken memebers:)
Oh by the way. Good luck to Elmer for the upcoming israeli elections:)

Dear Kaveh

You are right on spot! Elmer would have looked like a genius compared to some here. That was a great observation! Thanks. :-)

Kaveh. Yeah well. Let us

Kaveh.

Yeah well. Let us think clearly when it comes to who is murdering whom and who is really inflicting casualties that tilt the balance. At the moment, Israelis are PROVING that they are the real murderes, Since they don't just make a stupid statement in their charter, to vow to destroy hammas, be it legitimate or not, They are actually doing it. If you can not tell the difference and are stuck to your position with super glue, then i am really sorry for you my iranian.com friend.

Ananymous forever

No, I am not denying that, But yes, I do believe that the level of the intensity of an attack or invasion and the resulting number of casualties make a damn big difference. Of course, 600 dead, or rather 800, is a bigger deal than 7. Of course i symapthize with those 7 who lost their lives, but come on, whom are you kidding? You bet your behind it makesit look worse to me and anyone with a clear conscious, does it not seem that way to you??? Holocaust was a terrible tragedy all on its own. But if you insist on talking about it, Then let's clear up the issue of why israel has stared a massacre of the same nature first.

Zion.

Besides all that Junk about brainwashing and using childrenn as shields, Keep in mind that not every single kid is being treated that way. For the love of god, Do you see any kids acting as suicide bombers right now in gaza?? How can that be a reason for childrenn getting killed. Get real .

As precise as israeli weapons are, there is no way they could possibly account for every single child that may be in their range of fire, and if you deny that then i know that something is really wrong with you.

Zion - And These Are Children of Gaza...

//www.alalam.ir/site/manual%20gallery/current...

Shame, shame, shame....

zion

As the old saying has it if the Israelis weapons were taken away there would be no Israel (and a genocide), but if the Palestinians weapons were taken away there would be peace.

...There is occupation and there is occupation. Do you think occupied France or Holland in WW2 would have been able to elect a government dedicated to the destruction of the Third Reich? Do you think occupied Germany after WW2 would have been able to fire missiles at France?
people have to understand that the Hamas agenda was never about having their own land, it’s about having ALL of Israel, and for the killing of ALL Jews, not just in Israel, but globally.

Don’t take it from any of us, take it from the Hamas Charter, and from the numerous speeches, and media interviews they’ve given.

Zion, AnonForever

Jews and "Zionists" are free game on this site, but considering the "hunters", there's nothing to worry about.

They all make Elmer Fudd look like a genius.

Dear Anonymousforever

Don`t get too upset. That is because Jews and ``Zionists`` are free game in this website. It just goes in one direction. It is just the way the powers that be like it. No big deal. Don`t worry about it.

kourosh

are you denying iran bombed iraq? or do you, like so many others here, want to equate suffering to numbers. like 600+ palestineans killed versus 7 israels? that makes it worse to you? if so, then lets compare 6 million to 600.

and why wasn't the "go to hell" comment deleted? that isn't institgating hatred? THAT is ok but you don't want feelings to get hurt by negative comments made to someone's POEM?

"go to hell" is allowed. "shit" is not. oh well. what more can i say.

Dear Observer2008

I made no such argument. so please don`t spread misinformation around. My argument is very simple. Israel is defending her people by air and now ground strikes against the military installations of a terrorist organization that has been attacking her with the specific intention to kill her civilians. This is what any state in Israel`s position would do, as many different states have done in the past when attacked. Israel is not targeting children, the reason children are dying is because Hamas is using them as shields and brainwashing them as suicide martyrs. Their blood, as well as the blood of Israelis are on the hand of murderers of Hamas and no one else.
I hope you understand what I am saying this time around.

Kourosh

I guess where you and I will differ is that I will never give murderers and criminals consideration as human beings that I would give to those who don't engage in such activities.

Great Point.

Iranian reader

I do think that at times you tend to be a little too harsh on zion, but you made an excellent point.

Kaveh'
Yes they are The people. They may not be Good people, the may be extremists and radicals in what they beilive and the hatred thatthey harbor towards certain others, But They are nontheless humans.

A side note. To those that on this blog and other ones, who still think that iran bombarded and fired rockets into Iraqui cities, and actually Killed people, you are way past due for a major head examination . The level of destruction that iraqui ground and air force infliced on iran, Is beyond comparison to what Iranian forces did to iraq.

Iranian Reader

Hamas and Hezbollah ARE the people?

So, by that math, Al-Qaeda and Taliban are the people, right?

To those who say Hamas uses human shields

Whatever their origin, at this point Hamas and Hezbollah don't plant themselves among people, they ARE the people. That's why they will not get defeated. Furthermore, to separate Hamas "fighters" from the people is to say young and male Palestinians are not "people." First you leave no option for young men but to fight and then they don't even count as people.

More importantly: Israel uses human shields all the time. What other function do those settlements serve? If Israel can import people from Brooklyn and settle them in the West Bank why can't it settle its people away from the reach of Hamas rockets? Just a few miles away would do it. 

not really... you cannot

not really...

you cannot draw that kind of conclusion.
there are however some children when they grow up will think of revenge because they are losing father or brother or sister now, and that is normal.

so I wonder if you and zion would have taken life of saddam when he was a kid? would you have?
we know that he grew up to be evil and thang God he is gone, but would you have taken his life as a kid just because he was arab or Iraqi kid?
so zion's argument here is not valid and no need to threat children as criminals or potential criminals. you cannot do pre-emptive punishment on kids. There is no western or eastern civilization that allows this.

agree , Zion is

agree , Zion is *** and a worthless creature with no shame for taking lives of innocent children. whether the children have been brainwashed or not does not give israelies to take their lives.
I have seen Israelies. They are dishonest selfish arrogant and troublemake and liars.

Hamas the real baby killer!

Good post Zion!
I asked a few of my Jewish friends about the conflict and the atrocities committed on civilians and it was her response that was convincing enough for me:
"Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. are notorious for using human shields of children, women and elderly, and deliberately embed their rocket launching equipment, weapons storage, etc. within places populated & heavily used by innocent people, like houses, schools, mosques, etc. Before Israel starting bombing Gaza this week, IDF gave advance warning for the people of Gaza to flee to safety immediatgely, to avoid killing innocent people. The taking of a human life is a terrible thing, and when the victim is a child, more so. The Jews have an expression, "L-Chaim" which means to life, and we are commanded in the Torah not to kill, except in self-defense. Hamas, a cult of death, uses the corpses of the children as a publicity tool to justify escalation of hostilities, and to make the Jews look like baby killers and gestapo bullies. Hamas will never warn Israel of impending attacks, and deliberately targets houses, hospitals, schools, public buses, etc. to maximize the number of casualties. Their bombs are full of nails and ball bearings so that if Jews survive the explosion, they will be maimed for life."

Please take a look at this picture....it is another proof that hezbollah doesn't care about the human life:
//www.thefirstpost.co.uk/46238,features,ashur...