Once again, the world was stunned by a YouTube video showing images of US Marines urinating on bodies of dead Taliban fighters. Many insincere politicians expressed regrets and disgust with the images and called the incident a gross failure of the US military code of conduct. Some called the incident, yet, another tool for jihadist to recruit fresh meat and some called it Obama’s Abu Ghraib moment.
As I was watching the video, many thoughts flashed through my mind. I thought maybe we are witnessing a new enhanced interrogation tactic called, “waterboarding the corpse.” You never know what kind of last minute information can be extracted from a dead Taliban. Then I thought maybe the Taliban fighters suffered from a serious case of jellyfish attack! However, that was silly since Afghanistan has no access to oceans. Then again, I thought maybe this was a result of jailbreak gone bad. Maybe the Taliban fighters’ breakaway tunnel took a wrong turn and ended in a public urinal. And the Taliban fighters exited the tunnel at exact same time as the Marines were pissing. Who knows what goes on in that little crazy country.
As the world goes gaga over the latest mishap, I couldn’t help but thinking about hundreds of little girls who were splashed with acid on their way to school by these same so-called fighters. Boys in orphanages dressed in drag to entertain and sexually arouse these animals. Women disfigured, beaten, raped and kept in small rooms for years. Public hangings, stoning, beheadings and humiliation of generations of Afghanis in the hands of Taliban… and then I told myself: piss on ‘em.
I will be the first in line to shake hands with these Marines (of course after they wash their hands) and thank them for finally pissing on the right people.
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Fatollah
by My Name Is Borat on Sun Jan 15, 2012 03:37 PM PSTYou clearly didn't read what I wrote. I never said I condone it.
And your remark about "what if these guys were trying to get some payback" is EXACTLY the sugar coating and making of excuses that you accusing me of doing. It works BOTH ways.
Missing the point
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Jan 15, 2012 03:27 PM PSTIs the world so media based that this is the big problem with a war? It boggles the mind how people focus on the wrong thing. Thousands are killed; wounded with massive damage. But don't worry about all those.
We got a video that lets people feel superior in their nice warm home. No risk; just condemn the obvious and feel superior. Good for you all now you are all great humanitarians.
borat -
by Fatollah on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:48 PM PSTdo not try to excuse nor sugar coat their behaviour! in war truth is lost! what if they were some poor guys trying to get some payback because their village was bombed to obvilion with women and childeren in it!?
siamack
by asadabad on Sat Jan 14, 2012 07:01 PM PSTThe violation of human rights at A doesn't justify the violation of human rights at B.
A bit of objectivity, please
by My Name Is Borat on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:51 PM PSTIt is easy for all of these political and military "experts" to judge about the morality of what these Marines did from the safety of your sofa a few feet away from your TV. To say "it's disgusting" is the quick, simple, politically and socially correct answer.
But ask yourselves, what is really disgusting. From the comfort and safety of our homes we can't see what these guys see. The killing, the destruction, the Taliban's total disregard for human life.
These guys are for the most part, kids. Late teens, early 20s. They've never been away from home. They enlisted in the military because either a sense of obligation to serve was instilled in them, or they really don't have many other options back in East Buttcrack, Mississippi. They get bamboozled in high school by a recruiter....a slightly older guy, decked out in full dress uniform, complte with ribbons and medals, talking like a slick salesman about the benefits of joining the military. Before you know it, they enlist.
By the time they realize that they were trick-f**ked into enlisting, they're in Iraq or Afghanistan, surrounded by locals who hate them, and seeing comrades getting blown to pieces. They are being shot at, ambushed, and they are under constant threat of death.
Oh, and the pay is shit.
They're trained to kill. They're not trained to deal with death.
I'm not condoning what these guys did. But I'm not shedding a tear for these Taliban goons either.
IranFirst, thank you for your civilized responses,
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:40 PM PSTespecially after my rather pissing contest posts (ewwwaww to put it kindly to myself. lol).
I share your general sentiment in your post below,
very much....
Dear Tiger Lily
by IranFirst on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:02 PM PSTThank you for your comments. I feel very sorry for the Afghan people (who
are very close to Iranians) and their plight. They have been through so
much unwanted war and destruction during the past 30 years. I am hoping that they will finally have a free and prosperous life soon, after Taliban (and their Pakistani handlers) are weakened, and international troops have left.
IranFirst, thanks....
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 06:36 PM PSTthis post of yours makes more sense....., although I disagree with it, because of a lot of things.....: too many pigeons in one hole.....
Don't piss on the Taliban...
by Ari Siletz on Fri Jan 13, 2012 06:18 PM PST...or shake the hand of someone who did.
Raising toddlers, sometimes you just tell them not to do something without giving a reason until they're grown up enough to understand the why and whynot of things. For now, pissing on people--dead or alive--is akheh!
...
by vildemose on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:59 PM PST...
Divaneh jon: thanks for
by vildemose on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:55 PM PSTDivaneh jon: thanks for being the only voice of reason on this tread.
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Oon Yaroo Jaan
by Faramarz on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:49 PM PSTThat is my favorite part of the Blazing Saddles, and the Madelline Kahn scenes too.
Here is my favorite Sharif clip; Rock the Casbah!
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2aItuM1-J4
Tiger Lily, thanks for your questions
by IranFirst on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:42 PM PSTYes I agree , it is Afghanistan and the land of Afghan people and
NOT Talibanistan or Pakistan , who as a minority/outside Islamist terrorists want
to take over and impose their Islamic Barbarism by force.
Great people of Afghanistan have an ELECTED government which has asked for help from civilized world to defeat the Muslim Savages.
Taliban are doing 99% of the bombings and unfortunately as terrorists they
hide behind women and children, and in some cases innocent Afghans get
killed, when the coalition try to kill the Taliban savages.Majority of
killings is deliberate (by Taliban) and the rest unfortunate and as
result of the war that Taliban and Pakistan have created to spread their
cult of Islam. Apparently you did not READ my post completely , please
do so (the section about investigation and follow up about this incident)
...
by Fatollah on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:41 PM PSTBrilliant piece as usual, I' impressed and Thank you!!!
But, do you ever read your writings before posting?
Faramarz Jaan! Maybe the Marines were baptizing the Talibans...
by Oon Yaroo on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:38 PM PSTDid you like the video of "The Sherif is near...!?"
sure, Perpipi
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 06:29 PM PSTpissing in the wind
Oon Yaroo
by Faramarz on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:25 PM PSTWhat 70 million Iranians want to do is to;
Piss in the Rain!
I am happy again, I am pissing in the rain!
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ
How daft can we get?
by divaneh on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:21 PM PSTLet us remember that not every Afghan with beard is a Taliban. If I am right there was a wheel barrow next to these dead people. They may be just some innocent villagers. Also remember that many Afghans fight for whoever pays them. They don't always fight for Sharia. Many fight because they are poor and that gets them a wage. Being a waged fighter has been the tradition in Iran and Afghanistan (and not only in this part of the world. Every army is an example of it).
Although I don't think a dead body would give a shit about piss or water, pissing on a corpse is sign of backward mentality. The enmity that has been shown here and elsewhere to the dead bodies of these misfortunate men for what they may have believed, their poor education, or most probably their poverty, is a new low to which many people have sank.
IranFirst, HOW DARE YOU!!!
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:25 PM PSTTaliban, whose-ever creation, this is the land of the Afghan people. It is called
AFGHAN ISTAN
WHEN did they, THE AFGHAN PEOPLE, ask for foreign countries for help for self-defence, by continuing to bomb them?
by the way, how does your ranting effrontery have anything to do with pissing on corpses, let alone provide a justification?
Isn't this what 70M Iranians anxiously waiting to do on Khomaini
by Oon Yaroo on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:31 PM PSTshrine once IRR collapses?
to piss or not to piss
by azadi5 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:13 PM PSTIs it justified for marines in this video to piss on someone they killed, who had stood for killing, raping, stealing, beheading, torturing, harassing, sabotaging, etc.? Some people may want to be politically correct and say it's wrong to do so, but if that marine had lost a friend who was killed by taliban, then it's not hard to see what was going through their heads. Let's not forget that taliban are the same animals who have beheaded some of their captors, on camera nonetheless.
I don't know about others, but I can think of many IRI cronies whom if I was given a chance, i would piss on them too, whether they were dead or alive.
Thanks US&Coalition for Killing Taliban-Side items will be Dealt
by IranFirst on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:52 PM PSTThanks to US and coalition troops who put their lives online every day,
to protect Afghan people and the civilized world from the Taliban
Islamist savages. The Taliban who are killed here (or their brainwashed
Muslim brothers) explode themselves every day just to get their 72
virgins, at the cost of killing and maiming thousands of ordinary Afghan people and
children.
As far as the allegation of peeing on the dead , VPK is right. This is
nothing but sensationalism by the media at this stage. If after
investigations it is proven that these troops violated some US or
international law, or a code of conduct, I am sure (unlike IRI kangaroo
courts), they will be dealt with in a fair legal system.
As for the rest of the noise from the few West-residing , West-hating
Crowd, what else in new? they don't need these kinds of incidents to
make up their minds (they made up their minds about West long time ago)
Cost of
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:23 PM PSTThis statement of yours is one of the most dangerous I have ever been subjected to in my entire life.
"It is neither right nor wrong - it is war and you cannot legislate human behavior. "
Please, rethink it. Think about all its implications, please. On every level. In your own daily life even, the split-second you wake up, remembering when you slept. *
*I can't write an entire essay on IC to explain what you've actually written, but I am, giving you the benefit of the doubt and would like you to rethink it properly.
Perperzizi mipipi
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 01:46 PM PSTthe fact is that the US, Brits, (one of ours collected corpses' fingers, which was kinda cute memorabilia) NATO and all are supposed to be there on the
moral high ground!
P.S. Did the corpses give their consent?
God bless our troops!
by Fesenjoon2 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 01:29 PM PST//images.quickblogcast.com/8/6/7/4/6/261393-264768/time.jpg?a=35
If this was my sister, my mother, my wife, my neighbor, my fellow citizen,... then peeing on the corpses of the people who did this would be the least of what I would be doing.
How pathetic to see the appeasers and apologists once again taking aim at the very soldiers who fight to extinguish the rapes and choppings and ear cuttings. Truly pathetic.
Human decency at all-time low on Iranian.com
by Farnoosh on Fri Jan 13, 2012 01:11 PM PSTI am appalled by this blog and by all the crazy talk of those who were jumping up and down with glee over the murder of a young Iranian man this week. How did we all end up so callous and so irrational?
Hold the criminal Islamic Republic of Iran accountable for all its atrocities, hold the criminal Taliban accountable for all their heinous acts, help take them to international tribunals and put them on trial, but do not take the law into your hands, nor cheer those who do, and most definitely do not condone acts of state-sponsored terrorism, no matter which state commits them.
On one blog recently, a "murder list" of all IRI officials who should be murdered without due processs was published. Someone commented on that blog that not only is she in favor of killing all Islamic Republic authorities without a trial, she is in favor of digging out Khalkhali's bones and hanging them, because he is dead and a chance to murder him is no longer available.
If Iran's future is to be in the hands of some of the people writing and commenting on Iranian.com, we are in very deep trouble.
Good one sbglobe
by Souri on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:57 PM PST(and also bavafa)
As I said previously, maybe if we knew the true circomstances and the reasons of that acts, we could understand those soldiers.
But by no mean, we can understand an Iranian (indeed un educated one) who not only justify their act but also wants to shake their hands (Did you see? The soldiers didn't wash their hands after pissing on the dead corps) eeeyuw !
It is all about your character
by sbglobe on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM PSTUnderstanding these soldiers as why they did what they did is one thing but justifying it and wanting to shake their hands is something else (I do not think that this this guy Siamak is sarcastic – I think he means it and he would shake their hands if he could). They are always few bad apples in any bunch ….. and it just shows your character and the core of who you are when one can justify these acts. This is not about who those dead bodies were but it is about those soldiers characters. I am just glad that I do not know Siamak - otherwise I had to go through the trouble of avoiding him – I would not want to hang out with him - not for a long while that is for sure - Shahnaz
Dogs Should not Pee on Fire Hydrants Either!
by Faramarz on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM PSTBut they do!
This peeing thing was a fraternity-like act by professional soldiers, who should have known better, and they will get disciplined and it will stay on their records for a long time.
But this act by no means comes anywhere near the atrocities of the Taliban against the people of Afghanistan or the beheading of the innocent people like Daniel Pearl.
Piss (Peace) on Earth is my motto!
Dear VPK, Anahid and Dr. Mohndes…
by Bavafa on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM PSTMy comment is obviously NOT pointed at you or anyone else who has condemn this act. The blogger however, which has been one of my favorite writers on IC, has shown IMHO a poor taste in this case.
Anahid jaan: It is true that this video gets more publicity then of those committed by Taliban, but that is partly due to the fact we are expecting a much higher moral conduct by the Western folks then of those with little to no education and a barbaric upbringing.
Dr. Mohandes: I did pay attention, might add you are doing exact same thing as he does, whitewashing this act by turning the attention to some thing else.
I suspect if one intend to write a blog about IRI crimes in which he/she focus more of the attention to similar crimes committed by others/adversary, he/she would [rightly] get called out for white washing the original topic (IRI crimes). It is of no difference here.
Also, you or I have no idea about the circumstance of these folks death, their involvement in Taliban crimes against their own or any body and no one deserves this treatment. We condemned the barbaric treatment of those dead soldiers in Iraq when they were burned and hung from a bridge, we should condemn this act just as severely with no buts or ifs.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad