Once again, the world was stunned by a YouTube video showing images of US Marines urinating on bodies of dead Taliban fighters. Many insincere politicians expressed regrets and disgust with the images and called the incident a gross failure of the US military code of conduct. Some called the incident, yet, another tool for jihadist to recruit fresh meat and some called it Obama’s Abu Ghraib moment.
As I was watching the video, many thoughts flashed through my mind. I thought maybe we are witnessing a new enhanced interrogation tactic called, “waterboarding the corpse.” You never know what kind of last minute information can be extracted from a dead Taliban. Then I thought maybe the Taliban fighters suffered from a serious case of jellyfish attack! However, that was silly since Afghanistan has no access to oceans. Then again, I thought maybe this was a result of jailbreak gone bad. Maybe the Taliban fighters’ breakaway tunnel took a wrong turn and ended in a public urinal. And the Taliban fighters exited the tunnel at exact same time as the Marines were pissing. Who knows what goes on in that little crazy country.
As the world goes gaga over the latest mishap, I couldn’t help but thinking about hundreds of little girls who were splashed with acid on their way to school by these same so-called fighters. Boys in orphanages dressed in drag to entertain and sexually arouse these animals. Women disfigured, beaten, raped and kept in small rooms for years. Public hangings, stoning, beheadings and humiliation of generations of Afghanis in the hands of Taliban… and then I told myself: piss on ‘em.
I will be the first in line to shake hands with these Marines (of course after they wash their hands) and thank them for finally pissing on the right people.
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Disgusting
by Truthseeker9 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:44 AM PSTWhen I heard about this video I was totally disgusted and still am to think humans can sink so low. Taliban/AlQueda behead soldiers and on the other hand we have hypocritical praise of men who abuse corpses in war. Human race can be vile.
When you gotta go...
by Anonymous Observer on Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:30 AM PSTyou gotta go....
it's the corpses' own fault for not getting out of the way when the boys wanted to relieve themselves.
In our sorrorw over the treatment of these bearded freaks, it is always prudent to remember what they like to do to civilians--let alone soldiers:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl#Beheading
DK & Others ...
by Harpi-Eagle on Fri Jan 13, 2012 09:53 AM PSTDK, you talk about honor, I say honor, shmonor. Stop and think man, consider who or I should say what you're fighting against. First of all an enemy who as Siamak mentioned pours acid on little girls, sodomizes little boys, rapes, whips, stones and beheads, obviously is waging psychological warfare, and as such deserves no sympathy, human compassion, or warfare conventions during or after the battle. The Taliban or any other SOB who is willing to blow himself up in a kindergarden or in the middle of a market deserves no mercy or respect after he's been shot 15 times in the chest and head. These guys (Taliban and other Suicide Bombers who target civilians) are like Terminators, advanced machines that look, feel, and smell like humans (Well almost) but have no concious and have been programmed (Brain Washed) to the motto, "the end justifies the means".
Furthermore, you talk about the old times when warriors had honor, what honor the Arab Hords have when they waged a war of terror, rape, slavery, and other savage acts on the civilian population? Even our own Sahpoor Zol Aktaf who would drill holes in the shoulders of POWs and pass ropes through to control them easier. I say Kudos to him, if only we had him or Khashayar Shah instead of that wimp Yazd Gird, we as Iranians wouldn't be part of this Cult of Eeezlam today. Also the Samurai used to piss on their POWs and would from time to time practice their swordsmanship on live POWs.
Also to others who indiscriminately unload on these 4 Marines, you have to consider these are 18-22 year old kids who are there because for most of them that was their best alternative, no college tuition fund from mom and dad. They are scared, and on a daily basis face situations that would make most of you guys piss your pants. So, I say come down from your white horse, take off your shining armor and instead of bestowing your human compassion and honor on a bunch of animals who don't deserve it, these Marines' predicament.
Bottom line is, war is a nasty business, and if any nation can't stomach the extreme violence and the extremely unusual circumstances of this undertaking, they should not engage in it, but if we do, we should by all means demonize the enemy, and de-humanize the enemy, especially a foe such as Taliban or other death lovers waiting their turn to have their 70 Huries in Behesht.
Payandeh Iran, our Ahuraie Fatherland
This is not their job!
by Souri on Fri Jan 13, 2012 09:50 AM PSTDr Mohandes, regarding your comment, may I ask you if you support the law of "Ghessas" which is ruled by the IRI?
In addition to that, the American soldiers, were not sent to Afhanistan, to take revange on behalf of the Afhani people.
They are soldiers! Don't forget that!
No human being, especially the ones wearing a unifrom (Militaries, doctor, judge...) is tolerated to act as a barbar, on any other humain or even an animal.
Those soldiers were sent to Afghanistan to "defend" the Afghans and their land, not to revange them!
It is not their business (not yours, not mine, for that matters) to determine if the Taliban's death has been appropriately mesured up to the degree of their crime! Who are we (and the US marines) to determine, the kind of death (or punishment) a Taliban should get?
What are you talking about ?
Would you explain it to me?
Only hurting themselves
by BacheShirazi on Fri Jan 13, 2012 09:20 AM PSTThe fact is this is only going to hurt the more respectful American soldiers.Doing something like this in a country in which the majority of the people don't want you to be there is extremly stupid. The people who will pay the price for this are other American soldiers. For example this incident could provoke some Afghans who were previously on the fence to go and plant a bomb in the middle of a road, or something of that nature.
TBD
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 09:16 AM PSTTBD
Mehrdad Khan
by Dr. Mohandes on Fri Jan 13, 2012 09:06 AM PSTThis is not about condoning this act or not.
please pay a particularly close attention to the points brought up towards the end regarding the torture and the humility their "clan" inflicted upon hundreds and hundreds of those afghani poor souls.
The price that these dead folks paid for their crimes was far less that the humility and suffering that they imposed on ordinary people when they were alive, who are still, without having any better options, paying for it.
Deplorable actions must be condemned for sure, but should we not at least bother to look a little deeper and bother to find out the motivation behind those acts and think that there might be a huge group of people out there who are watching these and feeling good about it, after all the crap they were put through? Should they not feel that finally someone has exacted revenge on their behalf? Even at the price of their bodies being pissed on?
"n" marhamat befarmayeed:))
Bavafa jan,
by Anahid Hojjati on Fri Jan 13, 2012 08:58 AM PSTI was going to write a comment about your comment but I see that VPK has noted the points that I was going to make in his comments. This video might get more publicity that all the videos that are out regarding crimes that Taliban has committed and this is wrong. Although I don't approve of this act but let's not lose perspective and let's not forget the real victims who were victimized in hands of Taliban.
Dear Mehrdad
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 08:52 AM PSTWho are the redneck Iranians who are supporting this. From what I see we got the vast majority condemning it: Souri; DK; me; Ala; Rea -ok honorary Iranian :-) RG; and you. I don't see one person condoning it.
A few made post which I don't understand but did not condone it. The author is obviously being sarcastic about it. But even if not it would be one vs a bunch. Will you please tell me who these people are who support it.
This blog is typical case of ….
by Bavafa on Fri Jan 13, 2012 08:37 AM PSTRedneck Iranians have become even more redneck than those of Americans.
We see vast majority of Americans, if not all, condemning this deplorable act and we have some who just try what they can to justify, distort or distract from it.
If you are not going to condemn it, don't go out of your way to [directly or indirectly] condon it.
I sure wish we would use that thing that is between our ears!
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
War is ugly - And real
by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:47 AM PSTWhen you put war label on any interaction between two entities, you get this kind of bahavior. It is neither right nor wrong - it is war and you cannot legislate human behavior.
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IRAN FIRST
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Responses
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:23 AM PSTThis behavior is not acceptable.
by Mohammad Ala on Fri Jan 13, 2012 07:08 AM PSTIt is difficult to address all the issues in few sentences. As I had said before, there are bad dictators and good dictators. Many of the bad dictators were good dictators when they sided with the Western countries. Talebans come from the same people who President Reagan called “freedom fighters.”
Using this video as a sample, one may conclude that there were many more occasions similar or different which did not get reported. Geneva Convention (which the USA is signatory) is against such behaviors especially where the USA is trying to set good examples. This behavior is not acceptable.
VPK jan, the majority of Americans who commented on the video praised the soldiers. (See the comments where the Video was originally posted)
Creative writing class products
by Tiger Lily on Fri Jan 13, 2012 06:31 AM PST?
War is evil
by Bahram G on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:57 AM PSTWar, every major and minor aspects of it are pure evil. Roadside bombs that kill and maim the military and civilians, peppering the enemy with machine gun bullets, using poison gas to decimate an entire village, having drones fly overhead hunting people, raping little girls and even little boys in front of their parents. The list is too long and shocking.
Just as evil is profiting from wars. Supposedly creating jobs, promoting manufacturing, even the excuse of devising new technologies that may benefit society.
It is indeed a blight on our collective record that we, as a species, remain as barbarc as ever with instruments of death that can even wipe us off the face of the planet.
No. Nothing whatsoever is okay about war and those people behind the scene as well as those in the frontline are doing evil work. I fully realize that it is naive to even think about banning war in the present world. Pacifism, if practiced to the fullest meaning of the word, at both the individual as well as the collective, is tantamount to suicide in the present world.
Yet, we need to make a beginning. A collective universal effort to band together and defeat the advocates and promoters of war and violence. Killing and maiming and torturing and rapes must stop. All of us, anywhere in the world, must do what we can to put an end to the culture of violence and death.
No more hanging by the regime in Iran, at the arate of one every four hours, starting this gregorian year. No more homicide bombing in mosques or marketplaces. No more profiting from promoting war and selling instruments of death.
Life is a killer, as it is, ffor much of humanity. Why give it a hand? We need to direct our resources and genius to end suffering and not terminating life.
I think Siamack certainly
by Parham on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:47 AM PSTI think Siamack certainly has a point here... How soon we forget.
In the Valley of Elah
by Darius Kadivar on Fri Jan 13, 2012 05:23 AM PSTIn the Valley of Elah (2007)
Trailer:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rR7sxsVtxM
Directed by Paul Haggis ( Crash) Starring Tommy Lee Jones, Charlize Theron and Jonathan Tucker
A retired military investigator works with a police detective to uncover the truth behind his son's disappearance following his return from a tour of duty in Iraq.
Dear Souri
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:53 AM PSTNo I do not agree with the author. I don't want to shake hands with the marines and prefer not to call them marines. They should be punished but to what degree I am not sure and not qualified to decide.
Regarding understanding the marines I differentiate between that and approval. I don't approve but see how people might crack up and do it. The thing that bother me is the media focus on pictures and sensation.
They forget things such as real cost of war in human lives and destruction of nations. I rather have those be the focus but they don't make for 30 second bytes. Therefore we are not going to get those.
"Hunter", my favourite redneck neighbour....
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:52 AM PSTwas a lot more philosophical about this news item, than the blogger. He said, as he was passing over to me another can of Bud, well dude...pissed on, or blown your head to bits by "magnetic bomb", if you end up with 72 virgins in return, you will be the one with the last smile on your face , eh???
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
It's wrong
by Rea on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:32 AM PSTAnd it's humiliating for the US marines.
No matter what I think about taliban, it's not about them, it's about us, people. For if we allow such behaviour, where do we draw the line?
No excuse. Hope they'll punish them accordingly.
VPK
by Souri on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:43 AM PSTI can understand about the 4 marins who did it, but what do you thikn about this same blog? Do you agree with the author?
We all hate the Taliban and what they do in Afghanistan. This is a fact. But , those Taliban in the video, were already dead!
It means that they got already the "capital punishment".
How could Siamak interpret this barbaric act, as a punishment of the Talibans?
Sensationalism
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Jan 13, 2012 04:08 AM PSTThis is sensationalism and nothing more. No this is not an American value nor is it the norm in America. No more than the Iranian man who killed his family a while ago. Media thrives on this kind of "news".
How do you feel if people said "murdering you family is an Iranian value". There are hundreds of thousands of troops who rotate in these wars. Once in a while some of them act like this. I don't know what they have seen. Maybe they had their friends blown up by Taliban. Maybe they visited a village destroyed or razed to the ground by Taliban. You and I don't know what they went through. I spoke to an American friend who was disgusted so obviously it is not a part of his values.
Regarding the other points by my friend DK I disagree. Obama did catch OBL because it was his orders and he bears both credit and responsibility. The forces are like a hand; president the brain. We don't say my hand did it - man naboodam dastam bood! In the old days the enemy did not always get the "nice" treatment. The kind and benevolent Zand castrated Aga Mohammad Khan. Many others would just kill the enemy general on the spot. Alexander was mean or kind based on his mood. Many wars were fought by generals and not the king. It was not even practical for the leader of a nation like Iran to be on the fronts given the distances. Not to mention responsibilities of running the government. Rape; loot; and murder are standard practice of war. America is no worse than anyone. The only difference is now we got hand held video and youtube. Imagine if you had youtubes of ancient wars; Alexander; Mongols ...
Kudo to you Darius
by Souri on Fri Jan 13, 2012 03:22 AM PSTAnd thank you for your intelligent comment.
To be honest, I am more and more convinced that "this" is an American value. Unfortunately our compatriots who live in America, are very much influenced by those values. They don't even mind a military attack on Iran. They encourage it.
And I believe if they have the chance, they will go on Iran, killing the Iranians and will be also able to piss on their own compatriot, after they have killed them.
How pathetic!
I know you're trying to be sarcastic but it's still unacceptable
by Darius Kadivar on Fri Jan 13, 2012 03:36 AM PSTAs much as I believe that ever since the invention of Gun Powder the codes of Warfare if any are such that there is no honorable war but only Victors and Losers in a given conflict.
However what these folks did is not only unacceptable but dishonorable from any angle one wishes to look at it.
In many ways War in ancient times however bloody were by many standards if not honorable at best fair since even the Warlord would fight on the battle field at the head of his troops and win or die with a sword in his hand.
Gaugamela, 331 BC
Today the Warlord sends his orders to his troops comfortably seated behind a TV screen without ever risking his own skin.
So No Mr. Obama You did Not Catch Osama Bin Laden !
Your Special Forces did ! They were the ones risking their lives so you could then take credit !
Same for your predecessor George Bush who while watching his enemy be put on trial was then informed via SMS or youtube images of his hanging filmed with a simple mobile Camera. He can then go and cut the Turkey in the White House with his loyal staff and family and send his New Year wishes to his countrymen and countrywomen while reminding them of the challenges ahead if he were not president.
CNN's Report on Saddam Hussein executed 12-30-2006 'Chemical Ali' executed by hanging in Iraq
Where as in the old days before the invention of Gun Powder at least The Vanquished General would submit his sword to the Victorious enemy and would be treated as an equal with a minimum of respect.
Respecting the vanquished was an instinct not some hypocritical draft like the Geneva Convention Codes aimed at being learned by heart and pointed as a reminder in case of abuse by one or another camp.
True Soldiers don't lower themselves to such dishonorable acts. This is a disgrace on the Army and these folks should be put on court marshal.
If there is one thing unjust about the Modern Age it is precisely that the Torturers of Guantanamo Bay, the Nazi Criminals judged at Nuremberg or these Bastards Pissing on dead corpses will at worst get a fair and free trial and be expulsed from the Army for their dishonorable behavior.
When in fact they ALL deserve this as a Response from their Commanding Officer !
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7vW1oEKP1k
So if the 'Civilized' West and it's so called Intelligentsia which keeps boasting that 'Modernity' as a sign of 'Progress' think they are any better than those they point a finger at as "savages" ...
Then they can rest assured their exported 'values' and unveiled 'mindsets' are no better !
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Shame on those who think they are !