For an Islamic Democracy

"neo_con Gilani"!!!

"tabarzin": Your hatefull attitude, your hate mongering and campaign of shamefull lies and deception against iranians of bahai faith is your problem. So is your utter ignorance of all the topics you constantly rant about. But your constant personal attacks and slanders against other site members who disagree and challenge your fanatical and hate filled comments will once again lead to you  being banned from this site.  

From this moment in time all your personal attacks on myself will be ignored. See you soon with your new user ID and new assumed persona. Next time behave yourself and be a good boy or a girl.

This time, i am really, really outa this blog of hate....  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Neo-Con Gilani

A question was asked, and I answered. Look down the thread and you'll see it. Your friends tried to bait me, so I made their job easier, and expressed my views.

BTW here is what Hamid Dabashi says about them,

Back to bahai bashing are we now?? !

Gone all the pretence ,  pseudo intellectual nonsense, constant reference to Dabashi & Edward Saaid. Back to the real bone, back to the good old Bahai bashing, the Hojjatieh society style:) 

BTW, the shameless call for the Bahaiis to be "put in orange jump suits", with clear reference to terrorist detainees of the US military, coming from the US residing  person who constantly attacks the "US imperialism" on this site, is below comtempt...

I am outa here too. this time for sure. So much for the defendents of "religion of peace".

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Vildemose

Interesting that I am a fanatic because I consider the Haifan Bahai organization to be a Scientology cult as well as a criminal organization whose leadership should be put into orange jump suits and hauled away to stand trial, but you Neo-Con native informers who are publicly calling for ethnic cleansing and genocide of innocent people in the Muslim world are not! LOL!

Tabarzin: You are a fanatic,

Tabarzin: You are a fanatic, elitist bahai-hater and you call yourself a sufi. You are deeply hypocritical and I don't need to engage a hate monger such as yourself. I will not sink to your level of depravity. Don't get yourself banned again by starting your usual fahashi.

Every religion has fanatics.

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

Get a grip

Ignorantly you asserted that the term Marxist-Leninism was a fabrication of religious minds when it is now proven conclusively that this is an epithet coined by Marxists, Soviet Marxists to be exact and in the 1920s. 

That said, I don't believe you are a Marxist at all, of any shape, just as I do not believe the dubious character "Roozbeh Gilani" is one either in real life. The demonstrated ignorance of very basic facts about Marxism condemns both of you as nothing more than trolls.

With each postign you just get more pathetic

So, the Sailors were put down, and that proves that Marx was a Marxist, and Lenin was a Leninist, thus you get a license to turn anything you want into yet another stupid religion. Every single fabric of your mind is corrupted by religious thought and sentiment.

No rain could possibly cleanse you.

You don't say...

Well, the whole establishment of Ayatollahs you decry - the ones using the Qur'an to justify their crimes - is considered illegitimate by certain Twelver Shi'ites. Until the end of the 18th century there was a trend known as Akhbarism that did not believe in exclusive ijtihad and the special deputyship doctrine these Ayatollahs have arrogated to themselves. This trend was violently suppressed by the Usulis who went on to erect their whole ecclesiastical establishment that eventually morphed into what we see today. Nevertheless on textual and scriptural basis this whole establishment is arguably illegitimate to begin with.

No, none of us here are responsible for the aforementioned crimes of this regime.

Parham

Methinks the [gentleman] doth protest too much!

Again, my religion is not in your face. You have come to this blog posted by Salman commerating the end of Ramadan, pouring invective in your own way, and then complain about Muslims being in your face? Surely, you aren't serious?

I mean...

... in light of the fact that it's been "ayatollahs" citing the "Quran" doing all the misdeed (at least in our country), please allow some degree of hesitation when it comes to condoning the faith as a way of life for/by the average Jo (previously Youssef), will you?

It wasn't us on this thread who did all the murder, rape, torture, theft, etc. you know? I'm pretty sure I saw turbans on their head the last time I looked.

Tabarzin

Salman asked a question, and I answered. I thought it was you who came in the middle of the exchange!

Anyway, like I said, up to you to solve your problem with those who turn you into "victims". Let's see how smart you are at doing that. Let's also see who is copping out in that case and who is not...

I, personally and frankly don't give a flying f..k about your religion one way or another. Like I said, just get your faith, as beautiful as it may be, out of my face -- or expect a reaction.

Kronstadt Uprising

 //www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSkronstadt.htm

The sailors at the Kronstadt naval base had long been a source of radical dissent. Mutinies had taken place during the 1905 Revolution and played an important role in persuading Nicholas II to issue his October Manifesto.

The Kronstadt sailors were also active in the overthrow of Nicholas II in the February Revolution. A large number of the sailors were Bolsheviks and during the October Revolution they took control of the cruiser, Aurora, and sailed it up the River Neva and opened fire on the Winter Palace.

According to Bertram D. Wolfe: "They jailed their officers without trial in the same hell holes that had been used to discipline them, and drowned or bloodily lynched many. Leon Trotsky later claimed: "The most hateful of the officers were shoved under the ice, of course while still alive... Bloody acts of retribution were as inevitable as the recoil of a gun."

By 1921 the Kronstadt sailors had become disillusioned with the Bolshevik government. They were angry about the lack of democracy and the policy of War Communism. On 28th February, 1921, the crew of the battleship, Petropavlovsk, passed a resolution calling for a return of full political freedoms.

Lenin denounced the Kronstadt Uprising as a plot instigated by the White Army and their European supporters. On 6th March, Leon Trotsky announced that he was going to order the Red Army to attack the Kronstadt sailors. However, it was not until the 17th March that government forces were able to take control of Kronstadt. An estimated 8,000 people (sailors and civilians) left Kronstadt and went to live in Finland.

Official figures suggest that 527 people were killed and 4,127 were wounded. Historians who have studied the uprising believe that the total number of casualties was much higher than this. According to Victor Serge over 500 sailors at Kronstadt were executed for their part in the rebellion.

Nikolai Sukhanov reminded Leon Trotsky that three years previously he had told the people of Petrograd: "We shall conduct the work of the Petrograd Soviet in a spirit of lawfulness and of full freedom for all parties. The hand of the Presidium will never lend itself to the suppression of the minority." Trotsky lapsed into silence for a while, then said wistfully: "Those were good days."

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The Bolsheviks, the Civil War and Red Fascism

Bankrupt Stalinist Drivel

Marx and Lenin were two of the most creative non-dogmatic thinkers of their times. Each with many phases and many contradictory thoughts in thier lives. How all of their works and thoughts could be all summed up in one stupid ISM, is a 'philosophical' undertaking done only by Stalinists.

The same way you take a religion of utter violence, theft, rape and murder, and call it the religion of peace, and get offended when anyone points out the truth about these blood suckers. How pathetic can you get? Sorry wrong question: there's no limits to your patheticness!

Here are some better sources for you...

Which say exactly the same thing...

//marxistleninist.wordpress.com/

//mltoday.com/

Marxism-Leninism

A label of Lenin's approach to Marxism at the beginning of the 20th-century, in a capitalist Russia
emerging from feudalism. While Lenin considered himself only a
Marxist, after his death his theory and practice was given the label of
Marxism-Leninism, considered to be an overall evolution of Marxism in
the "era of the proletarian revolution". Marxism-Leninism was the
official political theory of the former Soviet state and was enforced
throughout most of the former Eastern European socialist governments of
the 20th-century.

Parham

Really, friend, that is a cop-out!

Religion is not in your soup, mine or anyone elses. This blog was posted by Salman to commemorate the end of Ramadan. It is you people who are oversensitive and get bent out of shape, hurling every form of invective and making the most fallacious arguments, even at a harmless blog.

No one has prosletyzed you to Islam or any other religion, so perhaps you need to take the fly out of your own soup. But when you people consistently misrepresent, misinform, attack and generally lie about the beliefs of a good portion of the people on this planet, trying to lump everyone into the same camp, in the process deliberately victimizing people who have absolutely nothing to do with the regime in Iran, there is a duty to respond.

Wikipedia as the source on Class Struggle?

The best 'source" you could come up with is Wiki. Not exactly a standard bearer of the workers movement. The Fact that idiot Stalinists and you have the same take not only on Marx and
Lenin, but the same drivel on religion and 'respecting,' slave rituals of this faith, shows where you come form.

"Soil of depravity" is one of the best description for you ans SF type I've ever heard.

As Kiosk says...

... "saresho begir oonvar lotfan".
Or something like that!

Tabarzin

Funny, your writing style and thoughts remind me of someone I know! I wonder...

Dude, what you are referring to is between you and those who did everything in your name to solve! Just let my foot alone.
I'm not even getting to Stalinism or anything else, as it's completely unrelated to our (me and you's) discussion.

Just get your religion out of my soup, that's all I'm asking. I'm Iranian and I have a right not to want Islam (what ever brand, reduced or unreduced) mixed in my governance.

I spare you the Habermas and the Abruzzio.

Parham

Your historical reductionism is unfortunate. First of all, Khomeini's political theory has been denounced as an innovation and un-Islamic by more Muslims than I care to recount. Classical Shi'ite political theory does not even recognize the legitimacy of any form of government in the absence of the Hidden Imam, including an Islamic one, so arguably classical Twelver Shi'ism can be contextualized as effectively offering a political theory of Anarchism.

Now since Muslims are the present Jews of the supremacist white antisemites of the planet and their fellow travelling native informers, it stands to reason that in the ethnic and ideological cleansing many of you comprador native informers are engaged in, you have missed the forest for the trees.

So riddle me this, Parham khan: Stalin and the Stalinist Marxist-Leninist states committed world historical crimes the likes of which have never been seen before or since. Because Soviet Communism turned out the way it did, are the Frankfurt school New Left Marxists like Herbert Marcuse, Theodore Adorno and Jurgen Habermas responsible for the crimes of Soviet Communism just because they are Marxists? 

The beaten dead horse, friend, is all your own!

Tabarzin

That fascistic system you are talking about did it all in the name of Islam, and somewhere, because of a religion being open to interpretation, applying any of it to a system of government exposes a whole nation to that danger over and over again -- not to mention that it reduces the idea of a system encompassing a whole nation.

Religion --your Islam in this case-- has nothing to do with state and should have nothing to do with it either.

And about Dabbashi, as far as I'm concerned he comes through to me as yet another mad man trying to defend a lost cause. He should learn to give it up and let go. He's not alleviating the weight of all the crimes committed in the name of Islam at all, if that's what he thinks he's doing. He'd do a bigger service to his kind if he stopped this process of denial so dear to Iranians.

Somewhere you people should accept that those who have committed all those crimes are Muslims too and have done everything in the name of their religion.

In other words, it's a dead horse, stop beating it.

"Stupid is, as stupid does" - Forrest Gump

Marxism-Leninism  is a communist ideology that is officially based upon the theories of Marxism and Vladimir Lenin, that promotes the development and creation of international communist society through the leadership of a vanguard party over a revolutionary socialist state that represents the will and rule of the proletariat.

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Marx did not say "I am not a Marxist" on his death-bed. He said it in the context of an ideological dispute in written correspondences to other socialists of the former First International. Here is the context of the statement: //libcom.org/forums/theory/context-marxs-i-am-not-marxist-quote-09062009

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Your translation of Akhavan-Sales was third rate, at best. D-

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Can you give me a name of a Baha'i the IRI has murdered in the past couple of years?

"Marxism" is a myth, you should refrain from using such

fallacies.

As I asked your good partner in crime, Tabari, I know that Akhavan is probably way over your head, but what did you think about the poem by him? Do you find it suffieciently descriptive?

So you oppose IR except when it comes to Bahais, then it's O.K.

for IR to comitt murderand kill them?!

Just read you schizoid responses before you post them, see what kind of drivel you're writing.

As far as "Marxism-Leninism"  again this is one more product of a sick religious mode of thought that turns even the most critical minds into nonsense religious BS. Marx is famously know for saying on his deathbed that he was not a 'Marxist.' More importantly all his major works are subtitled crtiques. And that's how he thought of his contribution to world history: A Critique of Capitalism. With Lenin, the same story, untill he was alive there was never, for a single time the term "leninism" used, after his death, this most un-dogmatic thinker is reduced to an ism, and morons liek you just can't stop using it.

I know Akhavan Sales is probably way over your head, but what did you thinkabout my translation?

Yes, you have repeatedly

Now, seeing how you like straw-men, Mr Gilani, can you tell us if Bahmani, Pendar-i-Nik, bfarahmand and amirparvizforsecularmonarchy are also IRI agents?

//iranian.com/main/blog/jamileghrari/message-american-people

Salman jan, canard, innuendo and deceptive argumentation by repetition (otherwise known as the Big Lie) is one of the hallmarks of the IRI, the Israeli state, the British/US media and other assorted fascist entities the world over. Where Iran is concerned, there is an attempt by this axis to force and intimidate Iranians of all stripes to accept a certain organization and remain silent about it no matter what the evidence. The attempt is for those who become critics of this organization, no matter how much they may be against the present regime and have a longer history of activism against the regime, to label such critics of said organization as agents or sympathizers of the present regime. This fallacy is a script set by fascists who make the IRI look like amateurs by comparison. Yet it is a script by fascists who mean us and our entire people as much harm as the IRI does.

Salman: I never attack muslims.

I dont even criticize islam as a rule unless a debate calls for it. 

I do however expose supporters of islamist regime, where and when I can. This should be very clear from the two comments I made on you blog (this being the 3rd).  

With that clarified, I now take myself out of your blog to avoid any further unintended offence to you and any other muslims who'd have nothing to do with the criminals of the islamic regime of Iran.

Take care  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Parham

A fascist ideological political system has murdered, looted, tortured and raped from our people for the past 32 years. Islam does not represent a monolith such that you are setting it up as a straw-man and then condemn it. Read the quote from Hamid Dabashi I posted below and argue with what he is saying if you really wish something to argue.

But while we're on the subject, the Marxist-Leninist system murdered, looted, tortured and raped  for 70 years and in far more a genocidal manner then this present obscurantist system in Iran has. So why aren't the Marxist-Leninists here being held to a similar standard?

Answer

Because the organization you mention is a British colonialist manufactured, Western capitalist supported and deceptive and brutal totalitarian cult, i.e. an Iranian version of Scientology, in the long term far more dangerous than the IRI. They have lied about their history, manufactured lies about their present, played malicious games of psychological reversal, persecuted and silenced dissidents, schismatics and critics, split up families and generally acted like the 5th columnist fascists and criminal thugs that they have been documented to be.

There is your answer, Uncle Tom.

It's because...

... you represent a system that has murdered, torured, raped and stolen from our people for the past thirty-something years; so enough with your nonsense about democracy already -- to be polite.

Is this the democratic system you are promising us?

Marxist Brothers

Why can't you even tolerate a few muslims greeting each other in peace and pleasure?

Our brother Tabarzin has said nothing wrong or provocative to warrant such a senseless attack on him and on Islam.

I am so disappointed in our so-called nouveu marxists. same book different covers.

For an Islamic democracy

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لحظه‌ای خاموش ماند، آنگاه
بار دیگر سیب سرخی را که در کف داشت
به‌هوا انداخت.
سیب چندی گشت و باز آمد.
سیب را بویید.

گفت:
ـ «گپ زدن از آبیاری‌ها و از پیوندها کافی‌ست.
خوب،
تو چه می‌گویی؟»

ـ «آه
چه بگویم؟ هیچ»

* * *

سبز و رنگین جامه‌ای گلبفت بر تن داشت.
دامن سیرابش از موج طراوت مثل دریا بود.
از شکوفه‌های گیلاس و هلو طوق خوش‌آهنگی به گردن داشت.
پرده‌ای طناز بود از مخملی ـ گه خواب و گه بیدار
با حریری که به آرامی وزیدن داشت.
روح باغ شاد همسایه
مست و شیرین می‌خرامید و سخن می‌گفت،
و حدیث مهربانش روی با من داشت.

من نهادم سر به نرده‌ی آهن باغش
که مرا از او جدا می‌کرد،
و نگاهم مثل پروانه
در فضای باغ او می‌گشت،
گشتن غمگین پری در باغ افسانه.
او به چشم من نگاهی کرد.
دید اشکم را.
گفت:
ـ «ها، چه خوب آمد به یادم، گریه هم کاری‌ست.
گاه آ« پیوند با اشک است، یا نفرین
گاه با شوق است، یا لبخند،
یا اسف یا کین،
وآنچه زین‌سان، لیک باید باشد این پیوند.»
من نگاهم را چو مرغی مُرده سوی باغ خود بُردم.

آه،
خامشی بهتر.
ورنه من باید چه می‌گفتم به او، باید چه می‌گفتم؟
گرچه خاموشی سرآغاز فراموشی‌ست.

چه بگویم؟ هیچ
جوی خشکیده‌ست و از بس تشنگی دیگر
بر لبِ جو بوته‌های بارهنگ و پونه و خطمی
خوابشان بُرده‌ست.
با تنی بی‌خویشتن، گویی که در رؤیا
می‌بردشان آب، شاید نیز
آبشان بُرده‌ست.

به عزای عاجلت ای بی‌نجابت باغ،
بعد از آنکه رفته باشی جاودان بر باد،
هرچه هرجا ابر خشم از اشکِ نفرت باد آبستن.
همچو ابر حسرتِ خاموشبار من.

ای درختان عقیم ریشه‌تان در خاکهای هرزگی مستور،
یک جوانه‌ی ارجمند از هیچ‌جاتان رُست نتواند.
ای گروهی برگِ چرکین‌تار چرکین‌پود،
یادگار خشک‌سالی‌های گردآلود،
هیچ بارانی شما را شُست نتواند.

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