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Tiger Lily

I don't know in particular what you are referring to, so I cannot agree or disagree.

jK, some of your points are somewhat valid, but

the fundamental clauses evolved and quite rightly so, solidy, quite a while ago.

How and when others, make use of such laws are a different matter. (If you scroll down on this blog, you will note that I don't even agree with the hooha about the poster...)

But as I tried to say before, grab every law now that you can get hold of, cling onto it like an ugly ex; things might get very rough very soon. 

The "Hate Speech" Campaign

This was initiated and given impetus by special interest groups like the ADL. This is NOT an example of what the writers of the constitution intended; its an example of the abuse of power by a special interest group which wants to protect itself and its own base from criticism by making it illegal to expose and criticize its power.

Understanding how laws are made, who makes them and what their intentions are is also important.

Iranians should be very careful about jumping on political interest group bandwagons without first understanding in detail who they are and what they're doing.

Just because some law has been passed by some corrupt politician in America who is accepting campaign contributions and favors from some powerful interest group, doesn't mean that its some kind of moral principle that we have to treat with reverence.

If you all want to be so authoritarian, I suggest you also respect the laws that the IRI has made for you all to follow (which should be even more relevant to you than the laws elsewhere). 

JK, Sweetie

It's all somewhere in your Constitution with all the Amendments. Freedom of Speech has a giant  plethora of clauses .Honestly, I can't remember the whole spiel.

You're not ignorant. An ignorant person is one without curiosity for more knowledge. ;)

Here's the link to only a guidance on Wiki, of which the most important to my mind is that it isn't absolute and , of course, what constitutes a crime... :

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

"In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any
country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on libel, slander, obscenity, incitement to commit a crime, etc. "

You will also note, apart from the obvious, the other obvious, the notion of responsibility

"دمكراسي اسلامي"

"Islamic Democracy"with its fine Shari'a laws would be perfect for the world! I'm shocked nobody has ever thought of that. You wouldn't even need amendments. As the saying goes: "Tabsereh va tazkereh maaleh khareh!"

Tiger Lily, Please Elaborate

Yes, I am indeed ignorant.

Total disbelief . Shudder to imagine

 Freedom of Speech

I really didn't know before this blog that people are so completely ignorant.

For Bug's Bunny's sake , please look up what the clauses and affirmative articles are stipulated as statuaries within US law and mostly adapted by  EU nowadays.

Please, stop scaring me.

Yes, Abarmard

You're right about that.

I've met Americans who worked in the US government, and who lost their jobs as a result of comming into conflict with the pro-Israel groups.

Freedom of speech

As I recall anyone who had criticized Israeli government is out of job. There you go. Selective freedom of speech is more like it.

So what are the police doing to all the Occupy Rallys?

Arresting hundreds. Chasing people in Oakland.

First Amendment to the United States Constitution

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

JK...you need to get off your high horse

While free speech is free speech, there are still implied limits to what can be said.

That being said, there's nothing illegal about the poster. It doesn't bother me in the least because I can't be offended by something as meaningless as two bit redneck rhetoric.

Personally, I think the poster would look better if it depicts a group of Iranians rounding up a bunch of Arabparasts and string THEM up!

I Support Mr. Nonmacher's Right To Say Whatever He Wants

Its his restaurant, not yours.

Are you all oghdei because you're scared of your own country's government and can't do sh-t about it, and are sitting safely and impotently in the West?

... so you've got find some defenseless individual and beat up on him so you can feel a sense of self-worth again?

The Whole Concept of "Hate Speech" Is Un-American.

It was introduced into popular discourse by the ADL, which is a foreign lobby in the service of Israel.

Hafez for Beginners

Let me explain something to you.

Freedom of speech means freedom of speech.

There is no speech that is illegal.

If the US government ever agrees to make any speech illegal, it should be overthrown. 

This man has not been arrested, nor can he be prosecuted.

That's why all these Iranians are busy trying to stir up a fuss: because they have no legal grounds to stop it.

Lewd?

Never heard of that one in my entire life! And before I even see the photo I tell you I've seen "worse!" The type that brings a dead horse back to life!

Sure, G.R

I'd post a photo, and you'd know what my ethics and concepts of decency are and I'd be prosecuted for incitement to lurid lewd conduct.

Pffft!

Post A Photo!

Post A Photo and I'll let you know!

G. Rahmanian, Wowieeee!

Didn't know that my decency and civilized behaviour depends on my not wearing a suit or a T-shirt.

Wow!

Sometimes I wear a Sari and show my midriff. Any objections? 

The Poster Is Only Showing A Robed Mullah!

The Poster Is Only Showing A Robed Mullah and not a decent and civilized Iranian in a suit or jeans and a T-shirt!

Then complain about it to your Councillor

or whatever you have in the USA. Or sign the  online petition !

:))) 

Also, perhaps get Khamenei to issue a fatwa! 

Meanwhile Restaurant With Controversial Poster Sees Spike In Customers

//www.click2houston.com/news/29688454/detail.html 

Please pay attention to where  it says "Among the many joking posters and other signs on the walls, one poster depicts a group of cowboys lynching what appears to be a Middle Eastern man."

The poster has been up since 1979, when Iranians took 52 Americans hostage in the Tehran embassy, which to me makes it more like a historical artifact of racist propaganda like all this stuff. A horrifying and real picture of a lynching - Try this one. See the difference? 

VPK What a great idea !!

 i love your idea "Maybe we should take out full page ads in NY times condemning IRI."

the best answer to all kind of haters is to stay united and show who we truly are ! getting some positif action out all this talks will be great !

Legality of HATE SPEECH / ACLU

Legality of Hate Speech: For those questioning this, Hate Speech does become illegal in the United States if it "incites to riot" and is "obsene."

Hanging an Iranian while standing by with rifles, both incites violence and is obsene.

ACLU: Instead of bickering over NIAC, PAAIA or other groups issuing statements over this - there's also the option to pick up the phone and contact the ACLU: American Civil Liberties Union. I know i will.

Souri:  "Just because it is not practiced in a backward country, should not
prevent us to use our freedom to say what we think against an aubse of
freedom in a free country." - Souri.  Wonderfully said.

Rea

Great comment! What a fuss about some stupid racist, and trying to read so much into it. 

For those who are really really angry about this poster, a group on Facebook – “OMGWTHBBQ!? – A Peaceful Protest Against Racism” - is calling on people to protest Nonmacher as they “unite as Texans and let the owners of Nonmacher’s BBQ know that them lynchin’ days are over!” 

//www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=227425237323141

Mr. Ala I do not curb your Freedom of speech

I probably would not have commented or -not as extensively- on your blog had your blog not been prefaced by such an inflammatory statement (and missing a small detail of 30 years ;).  In the US it is not against the law to make false (?) inflammatory statements it is just unethical.  

I, like any other Iranian (American and otherwise) am horrified by the prospect of war with Iran.  

Souri khanoom, please read my numerous comments on this thread, I believe my answers to your questions are all there.    And I do not have anything against Mr. Ala personally as I know next to nothing about him outside of the threads and blogs of IC.

Oon Yaroo

We do not need NIAC. How about we just get something going through IIC. 

//iranian.com/main/blog/ramintork/please-...

Get a bunch of donations. Put together a well written ad. Then all agree and put it up on NY Times. With the message being:

Members of Iranian American people condemn actions of IRI. Its violations of human rights. Its threat to world peace and so on...

HATE SPEECH / ACLU

Hate Speech is a pretty serious crime in the US.

This is about the act of inciting hatred, and it would be un-American not to do anything about it. Although the poster has been up for 30 years, it made it as "News" 2 days ago in Texas, and it was even featured in the British press today!

ACLU: American Civil Liberties Union stands up to Hate Speech. Instead of fighting over NIAC, PAAIA or this or that group (that have issued statements) -- just contact the ACLU directly. This shouldn't become a war of bickering over "agenda" - while the crime gets committed. If the slander had been against:"Japanese, Jewish, or Indian" folk - it would warrant a Hate Speech complaint, too - and rightly so. 

If you people were

.... to put as much passion and energy into doing something good for Iranians in Iran as you put into this 30-year-old poster debate, IRI would have been gone long ago.

Outta here.

Dear Oon Yaroo

But rather the core grievance actually emanates from and is directly related to the pain felt by the IRR regime as a result of the American sanctions!

Well that is definitely not by my grievance since I support most sanctions. I want to see the IRR goons suffer and brought down. Why should I have any sympathy for those who are ruining Iran. There is not reason to do so.

Regarding the flights: yes I believe Turkey and Emirates have flights to Iran. Others may also. Therefore it is possible to get to Iran safely. America has a right to sell or not spare parts to whomever it wants.

"Maybe we should take out full page ads in NY times condemning "

I second that! And put my money where my mouth is!

Just out of curiosity, shouldn't NIAC play that role for the Iranian-American community? Just asking!