Those of You Who Oppose Changes in Iran

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Sasha

Dear MasoudA........actually there is.........

by Sasha on

 Actually I am sure there are people in Iran risking everything they have even their lives for a better Iran. Some are probably in the Evin prison. However, what the Iranian government  has to understand is that it will not stop but rather increase as people become more disatisfied with their current government. There is a larger younger generation of Iranians that are demanding a change. On this very website we can see them demonstrating.

 

The changes in the Iranians views has been evolving over the years until one day a change will come. Looking at the Iranian political history one can see that change does come every 30 years or so. It is only a matter of time. :o)

 

 solh (peace)

 

Natalia Nadia


masoudA

Dear Sasha

by masoudA on

I did once read in an article that 54 or the 56 founding fathers died of non natural causes within a short while after the signing of the declaration - unfortunately I could not retrieve that particular research - but as you pointed out the point of the comment was to enlighten Rosie about "Loyalists" in New England.  

PS - Do not even trust the two articles I posted, do your own research - you will find out a lot more - I just hope I have shed some light on a different prespective of what average person knows about American Independence.   Hope soon Iran will also find it's version of the 56 brave Founding fathers (and mothers), and frees itself from all the webbs tangled by the British and their servants (mullah, freemasons,.......) to have almost full political control over Iranian politics.       


Sasha

MasoudaA...thank you again but technically

by Sasha on

 MasoudA: "Did you know that when the American founding fathers signed the "declaration of Independance" all except two of them were killed within one year !"

 

 I hate to split hairs but technically they were not all killed within a year, now they may have died as a result of being persecuted. Yes, they were tormented and their lives were devastated because they stood up for what they believed "Give me death or give me liberty". I already knew this and I also knew that their families suffered greatly too. Some directly at the hands of the British.

 

We also have others who have stood up for what they believe and have paid with their lives Martin Luther King, Jr., Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, Malcom X, Mossadegh and I am sure many more people  on this thread can give other examples as well.

 

Do I believe that the British and the US are once again screwing around with Iranian politics? Hell! Yeah, they want  the oil and probably would love to have a military base in Iran too.

 

 Once again I want to note that Iranians know change has to take place in Iran. They just need to put their differences aside to unite and bring about the change themselves and not let the other countries interfere. They need to question were the source of information is coming from and if it is accurate before they make any decisions. They also need to agree on what type of government they will have. There has to be remove for all to coexist regardless of religion, politics, gender, and even sexual orientation. Objective, logical thinking and tolerance is needed.

 

 

Natalia Nadia


Sasha

MasoudA.......many thanks:o)

by Sasha on

 Thank you for providing the web links. I will indeed read what you have provided for us.

 Yeah! I know Rosie will have something to say after she reads the information you have provided. :o)  It will be interesting to read her comment.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

Natalia Nadia


masoudA

OK Sasha

by masoudA on

OK Sasha here is a link - There is a ton of info on how the US founding fathers were victimized by the so called Loyalists. 

Also; I will no longer produce so called "Proof" on things that can be researched on the internet in a matter of seconds.   I provoke thoughts based on my past readings - some of are from books I have left in Iran and have no longer access to.    I fully understand the web etiquette - and I blieve at about now, bith you and Rosie owe me a thank you for alerting you to something you had no clue about.   Cheers

//www.davidstuff.com/opinion/founding.htm

//www.foundingfathers.com/story2.htm

BTW - watch Rosie come and argue the trees - still missing the forrest!!!!

 


Sasha

MasoudA.............Rosie is correct.......

by Sasha on

 Especially on this website. When you make a claim such as the one you made about the founding fathers ill demise, they expect you to back it up with some facts. You know provide a web link or two. Only to substantiate your claims.

It is part of being objective and logical. If you do not provide the information for accuracy sake, then they will think you are not as credible. It is just some advice. It is up to you whether you accept it and implement it.

 

Have a nice day. :o)

 

 

Natalia Nadia


Rosie T.

Masouda: Your claims re FOunding Fathers / Hippie

by Rosie T. on

NO Masouda, when you make earthshaking claims on a public forum, if someone asks you for documentation, the onus is upon you to direct them to sources.

Well I guess I'll just go now back to the commune, pop a little acid, and tie-die some shirts.

Love and Peace, man,

Flower Child

PS Alone a stranger and afraid, lost in a world you never made.  The War against Terror begins within. 


masoudA

Dear Rosie

by masoudA on

I provoke the thought - you go do the resaerch.   

Please inform us about the results of your research into the matter of why so many of founding fathers died a short time after the declaration and who killed them.   Also try to find out why is it NEWS to people like you - because in fact it is not overly advertised.  

Thank you -

the poor helpless soul who wants some sanity back, having to win over both insanity, and the hippies who try to preserve insanity in the name of peace. 


Rosie T.

Sudden Death of Founding Fathers / Allies

by Rosie T. on

Masouda, please provide documentation of the murder of all founding fathers save two after signing the Declaration of Independence.  This is certainly news to me. 
So presumably the two left standing were loyalists to the Brits?

 

Masouda, don't you sense a fundamental contradiction in your writings?  You speak gloriously of an allied invasion of Iran, harking back to World War II in your use of the word allies, and presumably you were in favor of that allied invasion, in which the British were among the most crucial players.....and yet we are all privy to a British conspiracy over the past two hundred years, responsible for God knows what ills beyond the more well-known depredations of Colonialsim?

And you decry British colonialism while championing the neocon neocolonial agenda, which was clearly articulated YEARS before the War on Terror was even a soundbyte, in the Project for the New American Century?
Masouda...Masouda..

the "War on Terror" begins within..

"Alone, a stranger, and afraid/Lost in a world I never made..."

 

Masouda....

 

Robin


masoudA

Dear Sasha

by masoudA on

Thanx for your wise post -

When discussing America and American politics - we must make sure to fully understand the tow main factions holding power - one of which is more loyal to the Queen than to America !!   Di you know that when the American founding fathers signed the "declaration of Independance" all except two of them were killed within one year !!??  who killed them ?  those whose loyalties were with the Kingdom and not America.   Those people did not evaporate - in gact they are still around - still fighting for global British interests.  

So - the answer to your question is - Yes, Democrats will sell Iran - si will many Republicans.   The good news however is that right now all parties including the Brits have no choice but to devastate the Terror Network. 


masoudA

Dear Sasha

by masoudA on

Thanx for your wise post -

When discussing America and American politics - we must make sure to fully understand the tow main factions holding power - one of which is more loyal to the Queen than to America !!   Di you know that when the American founding fathers signed the "declaration of Independance" all except two of them were killed within one year !!??  who killed them ?  those whose loyalties were with the Kingdom and not America.   Those people did not evaporate - in gact they are still around - still fighting for global British interests.  

So - the answer to your question is - Yes, Democrats will sell Iran - si will many Republicans.   The good news however is that right now all parties including the Brits have no choice but to devastate the Terror Network. 


masoudA

Dear Sasha

by masoudA on

Thanx for your wise post -

When discussing America and American politics - we must make sure to fully understand the tow main factions holding power - one of which is more loyal to the Queen than to America !!   Di you know that when the American founding fathers signed the "declaration of Independance" all except two of them were killed within one year !!??  who killed them ?  those whose loyalties were with the Kingdom and not America.   Those people did not evaporate - in gact they are still around - still fighting for global British interests.  

So - the answer to your question is - Yes, Democrats will sell Iran - si will many Republicans.   The good news however is that right now all parties including the Brits have no choice but to devastate the Terror Network. 


Sasha

Iranians have to.............

by Sasha on

 Iranians have to put their differences aside and unite to save their country without outside interference.

 

Like Arezu said "No foreign country/entity has the best interest of the Iranian people in mind."

 

Stop looking for outside intervention. They only have their own hidden agendas. No one truly cares about Iran like Iranians do. No one truly understands what Iran needs like Iranians do. Don't let other countries do the thinking for you. All the other countries will only  help themselves to Iran.

 

 

Natalia Nadia


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Change from within is the only answer

by Arezu (not verified) on

Sorry, but I can't view the pictures. But this is not even the issue we know that change must come for Iran.

However as many of you, (Rosie T. Dr. Malekansari, Some Irani and others) have accurately argued the only viable change will only be the one that is home grown not one which comes from outside interference, whether it be through the U.S. directly through forced regime change, or by other groups tied to foreign elements. Any foreign intervention under the pretext of "democracy" to liberate the Iranian people would be a tragedy far worse than what you think Iranians are going through right now.

Iran is going through change and transformation this is a long journey but one that is worth it as it comes directly from the people. The Iranian people are no fools, the Revolution has taught them to fight for their rights and they have been doing it perfectly well without any help from the outside. In fact what has delayed the progressive movement in Iran has been the U.S. rhetoric of invasions, sanctions, threats of regime change, and funding of Iranian dissidents. No foreign country/entity has the best interest of the Iranian people in mind.

By the way, for all the others who are asking for bombs to fall on Iran to remove the Mullah regime, you should leave this site. Change does not mean the Iranian people are willing to sacrifice the country, its people, in return for destruction of Iran and death of the innocent.


Sasha

MasoudA What makes you think..........

by Sasha on

 You made the following statement:

 

A terror which was bestowed upon Iran when your "peaceful" president Jimmy Carter, sold us out to the Brits French and the Russians -

 

What makes you think the US is not going to sell out Iran again. Every time the US invades a country to so call  save it, it leaves it worst. The US is not trying to save anyone, they want the natural resources of Iran: OIL.

 

The US has been interfering in Iran for far too long. It is why Iran is in such a mess today. You yourself acknowledged the US interference during Carter's administration. I am sure someone on this thread can tell you more on the US interference. For heaven's sake, the US helped create Sadam Hussein and because of it the existence of the Iran-Iraq war came to be. Too many Iranians lost their lives.

 

 

 

Natalia Nadia


Rosie T.

No, Masouda...

by Rosie T. on

you go back down and re-read my posts, please.  I already know what I've written.

Re-read "Why the Change Should Not be Brought About by the US" (points 2 and 5), and "What Are We Going to Do?"

That is America. These are FACTS, not opinions. What happened in New Orleans is a FACT.  The debacles of Iraq and Afghanistan are FACTS.  My INTENTIONALLY poorly educated students called "college" level when they BARELY qualify for junior high school exist.  It's a FACT.  Do you live near New York?  Do you ever visit?  I invite you to one of  my classes so you can find out what the AGENDA of the United States is.

The country you fantasize will save your own...
Robin  PS I certainly share your concerns about Islamic extremism.  ALL forms of extremism dangerous, including but not limited to: theocratism, Aryanism, dogmatic Communism,and Zionism, hedonism, nihilism, excessive Academism, and Bushism.


masoudA

Rosie

by masoudA on

Unlike what you may think - your agenda is so so transparant here.  Nobody likes war - and people like you hide behind "peace" to preserve their interests.    Go back and read your own post and see what your suggestion is - Your first plan of action for us Iranians is to detach ourselves from the only force that is fighting our biggest enemy !!  haha - that is just masterful.   Believe it or not - America is already at war - the war against terror.   A terror which people like you know nothing about - but Iranians face it every day.   A terror which was bestowed upon Iran when your "peaceful" president Jimmy Carter, sold us out to the Brits French and the Russians - but these are too far above your head - let me make it simple for you.   At the rate things are going, and without alertness only exhibited by some Republicans, people like you will drag America into a dire straits - sort of like France is today.  In case you don't know the French Government is up to their necks in trouble with the new Moslem extremist movement in France.  Is that what you want - or are you waiting for the bombs to start exploding at youir local malls to wake up ?  Let me break out a bit of a news to you - the heads of the Moslem Exrtemists are not begging for equality of equal rights - they are fighting for dominance.   Again - America is already at war - a long war which USA will not lose - with or without You.  As for me - I will do everything I can to make sure terrorists are defeated - in and out of Iran.   


Rosie T.

Alimostofi, you can...

by Rosie T. on

You CAN have a conversation with a pro-Seyyed supporter right here!  It is Faribors Maleknasri, MD.  He is right here below you on this thread but he hasn't voiced his usual "rhetoric" since he just wanted to post an article here. He posts regularly and diligently, and he seems to me an informed, intelligent and caring person. His continued presence on this site and the time and effort he puts into his postings more than show his eagerness to dialogue.  Unfortunately people don't take up this golden opportunity and I as a non-Iranian haven't felt equipped to do so yet. But he and I share common ground.  He still refers to my government with that old chestnut, "The Great Satan" and since I just called the desire for US military invention "making a deal with this Devil" for reasons I stated at great length...well, you see,..common ground.

In my opinion, while "we" could perhaps "teach him a better attitude" (your words) politically, he could teach some people on this forum a better attitude about respect for this technology as our best available tool for the development of humanity, rather than as a transplanetary verbal sewer. So he may be your man.

I am going to reply to the other points you raised here shortly.
Best,
Robin

PS Dr. Maleknasri was also the winner of the last quiz. translating "ki kodesho rahat kard, maaro narahat kard", as "Who farted?" A shower of afarines upon you, Dr. Maleknasri...  :D


alimostofi

A lot of people are asking

by alimostofi on

A lot of people are asking the question, "what are we going to do about it"
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The secular people of Iran, from day one opposed and won against the Seyyeds. That did not mean that they removed them from power. They managed to prevent their influence to Talibanize Iran completely. The first Nowrooz celebration could not be prevented. People do not flock to Friday prayers regularly - only rent-a-crowds go there.
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The major corporations of the world do deal with the Iranian government, and that is being dealt with right now. Even China is reconsidering its ties.
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But to answer the question, "how do we get rid of the Seyyeds in power?" That is very easy. I have advocated aggresively for numerous years, the talk of a General Strike. The wolrd media and the public of Iran, have to ask, how strong are the Seyyeds against a General Strike.
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The conversations and dialogues between people is what form the impression that will ultimately remove the Seyyeds cleanly without bloodshed. The conversations need to confront the Seyyeds with questions they cannot answer. And one of the questions to ask is,"what will you do Mr Khamenei, if no one bakes bread for you tomorrow?"
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So we Iranians are already encircling and containing these aliens. We just need to show them up in the public media in and out of Iran. I would love to see a post by a pro Seyyed supporter, and then we would very simply ask him or her these questions, and get rid of his or her pathetic attitude, and teach him or her a better attitude.
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And we will teach these Seyyeds a better attitude, without bloodshed.
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Ali Mostofi

//www.alimostofi.com

 


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... what are we going to do about it?

by Some irani (not verified) on

Well, we have some fundamental problems that we need to solve before we can move beyond this point in history. The problem is evident on this web site, and that we are very far away from each other. Things are better inside iran as people are waking up one at a time and moving to the center, mostly from religious right. Ordinary people who were not only observant but forced observance upon others have already stopped doing that, some for fear of being on the opposite side of their own children and grand children. Some taboos need to be broken too and replaced by acceptability and rationalization. We need to be able to talk about our religion and our history, without being emotional, but objectively instead. Change will come, but at a very slow pace as iranians are not very aggressive in general and have no respectable leader at this time. Remember that shah on his last days of governing was quite willing to bend backwards and satisfy demands of people, yet people did not show any flexibility, and did not see what was coming to them, since they had a choice, the religious leaders that they thought they could trust. The avalanche will come around again, it just has to be at the right time and under the right circumstance. This is not the time yet. Patience is needed, and change should be indigenous to be acceptable to people in the long run. We have no choice but to form our own form of democracy based on equality and social justice for all, irrespective of gender, religion, or ethnicity. We have already lost so much time, 30 years of yelling and showing fists on the streets has gained us very little, but we have gained some experience, and have educated our young to some 90% literacy, with a large number of college-educated and demanding population that cannot be fooled for long, and cannot accept living under a minimum standard of living, and they are very impatient indeed, and very much aware of the global village, and want to be a part of it. We were ahead of so many countries in 1979, S. Korea, Arab countries, India, China, ..., and we are practically way behind most of them now after 30 years, and in so many ways; 30 years of looting resources of our country, for very little to show for, if anything at all, in return. This is not sustainable, and cannot continue.


Rosie T.

What Are We Going to Do?

by Rosie T. on

I asked the same question to Teach on the Khomeini's Grave blog. What are we going to do? I have a couple of concrete suggestions. Abandon all fantasies that ANY US military intervention no matter how limited would be helpful. (See my long post below). Just look at the wreckage that this person George Bush has caused in Iraq, Afghanistan, and our own NEW ORLEANS! He ordered to shoot to kill poor black people SWIMMING in corpse-filled water to get bread that was going to rot anyway to feed their children, STUCK there because his Arabian horse-breeder friend in charge of FEMA's evacuation "plan" in post 9/11 emergency was for people to DRIVE out but the 90% poor black population of New Orleans HAS NO CARS. The flooding was probably largely caused by global warming and he has systematically opposed the Kyoto Accords since the day he was APPOINTED to office by a majority of ONE person in the Supreme Court. And you want "help" from this man? FORGET ABOUT MAKING A DEAL WITH THIS DEVIL! LEAVE IT! EVERYTHING he touches turns to POISON.

Then when you have put aside this insane fantasy, stop arguing amongst yourselves and focus on the common ground! STOP seeing all the differences and see what you have in common! Most of you want a parliamentarian democracy, isn't that a good place to start? How can you DO anything when there is so much FANTASIZING and POINTLESS arguing going on?


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I want changes in Iran by

by The Change Man (not verified) on

bombing the Islamic republic and the mullahs out of the way. That is the first step in the major change in Iran.


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The question is what are we going to do about it?

by kurdish warrior (not verified) on

We are all aware of what is going on in Iran. Those who deny these facts are either living in a fairyland (psycho) who is beyond any shrinks help or they are currently living large because of this regime. My question is what we are going to do about it. So far there has been no progress but cheap talks between the oppositions and no agreement whatsoever. I’m against foreign intervention however if USA strike (Basiji buildings) could get our people to stop being passive and rise up then I guess I would give my thumbs up.


Sasha

The Majority of Iranians...........

by Sasha on

 The majority of Iranians regardless of their religious or non-religious choices know and understand that change needs to come about in Iran. The problem is that there is too much arguing amongst them to have an adequate objective discussion on some possible solutions to the problem without outside intervention by other countries.

 

The last thing that Iran needs is to end up like Afghanistan and Iraq after US intervention.

 

Natalia Nadia

 


Rosie T.

To Long Memories:

by Rosie T. on

That's exactly my point!  The people who want foreign intervention, it MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!!!


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Long Memories

by Some irani (not verified) on

We have not forgotten or forgiven Alxander the little yet for invasion of iran and for destruction of Persepolis. We have not forgotten or forgiven Arab thugs yet for invasion of iran and for destruction of Ctesiphon. We have not forgotten or forgiven Mangol savages yet for invasion of iran and murder of her citizens. We have not forgotten or forgiven Tatar nomads yet for invasion of iran and for destruction of the country. We have not forgotten or forgiven russian czars yet for invasion of iran and for stealing an endeared part of our country. We have not forgotten or forgiven yet saddam the criminal for invasion of iran and for his attempted annexation of part of our country. We have not forgotten or forgiven yet ... And we will not forget or forgive Emam the thug and his brutal gangsters for occupying our beloved country and for mass-murder of our innocents, and for looting of the country while screaming for rights of non-iranians. Beware that we truly have a very very very long memory. So give us a break... before talking about another war...
Long live Iran.


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Where will they hide?

by Kouroush Sassanian (not verified) on

Their day will come soon. Where will hide? Which country will they flee to? Who will accept them? Unfortunatley, the IRI has set in motion its own demise. That c&*ksucker khatami bought more time for the IRI, howeve, this new c&*ksucker has sh*t that borrowed time down the drain.

It is time to confront the IRI. It is time for steel rain to come down on the IRI. 30 years of rape, murder and oppression.

Hey mosslammouns..look up in night sky, yes ..look up at the moon... you are right, it is him...no it is not him...it is steel rain, time to pray to your Mohammad, ali, hossein, kossein! Guess what, they are not listening and never have . . . time to change your prayers!


Rosie T.

Why the Change Should Not Be Brought By the US

by Rosie T. on

1. US caused the worst of the recent problems to begin with, by flanking Iran militarily on both sides and causing the hardliner backlash. In this case a "hair of the dog that bit you" WON'T work.

2. Everything Bush and Cheney have done so far has been a disaster: Iraq, Afghanistan, dare I mention NEW ORLEANS? If they target nuclear facilities, they will wind up destroying all of Isfahan instead. Idiots. Unless they actually PLAN all this mass devastation. In which case, evil geniuses. Either way, no good.

3. Too many factions detest US anyway regardless of Bush due to Mossadeq and other history. There will be bloodshed. It could easily strengthen the hardliner position.

4. Foreign intervention has historically been the scourge of Iran. History happens first as tragedy and repeats itself as farce.

4. Iran has a long history of paranoiac xenophobia beginning since the Mongols. Even in the "best" case scenario, Bush saves Iran for democracy (ha ha bush/democracy, the man wasn't even elected...), the very first thing that goes wrong with new government in Iran, all the secret agent stuff begins.

 

5. Bush or no Bush, American society is bloated, decadent and dangerous. Each person in the US throws out a mountain of garbage the size of the Statue of Liberty each year and US consumes 75% of the worlds resources each year. US has the WORST education system in the entire "developed" world. My COLLEGE remedial reading students this semester ALL thought they were in the 20th century, have no idea when the country was founded, when the Civil War was, or World War I and II. They don't know the meaning of the following words: patriot, mesh, demonstration (as a protest), formal, convictions, principles, apparatus. They do not know the capital of Italy. They believe freedom of speech includes the right to go up to someone in public and threaten to punch them in the face as long as you don't do it. US has no right to export its "culture" or hegemony anywhere; US is toxic and must be stopped.

5. Every people must find their own way. Iran ESPECIALLY must find her own way.


jamshid

Re: javad agha and Fariborz

by jamshid on

Every time someone talks about the brutality of the IRI regime, the pro-IRI people immediately point to the US and Israel's brutalities. Why?

 

Why is it that you care MORE about palestinians being brutalized than your own countrymen? Why is it that you are MORE concerned for Iraqis than your Iranian countrymen?

 

Don't you have any shame? I can't believe that THESE are the people that are ruling Iran. Do you see why some people believe they should be thrown out of Iran and into some arab countries?

 

 


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REPLY : ::::::::::::BUT NOT VIA USA, why not?

by Faribors Maleknasri M:D: (not verified) on

I dont thinkthat the "situation" in IRI is ever changable. If yet to change please not via USA. Hier you have the answer to you probable question WHY NOT VIA USA? hier you awer, please acknowledge the following:
Have They No Shame?
Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:26:23
Numerous torture techniques are used in Abu Ghraib
Have They No Shame?
Every Saturday, the president of the United States gives a radio address to the nation. It is followed by the Democratic response, usually given by a senator or representative. This past Saturday the Democrats chose retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez to give their response, the same general accused in at least three lawsuits in the U.S. and Europe of authorizing torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of prisoners in Iraq. This, combined with the Democrats’ endorsement of Attorney General Michael Mukasey despite his unwillingness to label waterboarding as torture, indicates that the Democrats are increasingly aligned with President Bush’s torture policies.

Sanchez headed the Army’s operations in Iraq from June 2003 to June 2004. In September 2003, Sanchez issued a memo authorizing numerous techniques, including “stress positions” and the use of “military working dogs” to exploit “Arab fear of dogs” during interrogations. He was in charge when the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison occurred.

Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who headed Abu Ghraib at the time, worked under Gen. Sanchez. She was demoted to colonel, the only military officer to be punished. She told me about another illegal practice, holding prisoners as so-called ghost detainees: “We were directed on several occasions through Gen. [Barbara] Fast or Gen. Sanchez. The instructions were originating at the Pentagon from Secretary Rumsfeld, and we were instructed to hold prisoners without assigning a prisoner number or putting them on the database, and that is contrary to the Geneva Conventions. We all knew it was contrary to the Geneva Conventions.” In addition to keeping prisoners off the database there were other abuses, she said, like prison temperatures reaching 120 to 140 degrees, dehydration and the order from Gen. Geoffrey Miller to treat prisoners “like dogs.”

And it’s not just about treatment of prisoners. In 2006, Karpinski testified at a mock trial, called the Bush Crimes Commission. She revealed that several female U.S. soldiers had died of dehydration by denying themselves water. They were afraid to go to the latrine at night to urinate, for fear of being raped by fellow soldiers: “Because the women, in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the portolets or the latrines, were not drinking liquids after 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon. And in 120-degree heat or warmer, because there was no air conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep. What [Sanchez’s deputy commanding general, Walter Wojdakowski] told the surgeon to do was, ‘Don’t brief those details anymore. And don’t say specifically that they’re women. You can provide that in a written report, but don’t brief it in the open anymore.’” Karpinski said Sanchez was at that briefing.

Former military interrogator Tony Lagouranis, author of “Fear Up Harsh,” described the use of dogs: “We were using dogs in the Mosul detention facility, which was at the Mosul airport. We would put the prisoner in a shipping container. We would keep him up all night with music and strobe lights, stress positions, and then we would bring in dogs. The prisoner was blindfolded, so he didn’t really understand what was going on, but we had the dog controlled. The dog would be barking and jumping on the prisoner, and the prisoner wouldn’t really understand what was going on.”

Reed Brody of Human Rights Watch elaborated on Sanchez: “For those three months of mayhem that were occurring right under his nose, he never stepped in. And, also, he misled Congress about it. He was asked twice at a congressional hearing whether he ever approved the use of guard dogs. This was before the memo came out. And both times he said he never approved it. [W]e finally got the actual memo, in which he approves ‘exploiting Arab fear of dogs.’ ” Brody dismissed the military report clearing Sanchez of any wrongdoing: “It’s just not credible for the Army to keep investigating itself and keep finding itself innocent.”

This is not about politics. This is about the moral compass of the nation. The Democrats may be celebrating a retired general who has turned on his commander in chief. But the public should take pause.

The Democrats had a chance to draw a line in the sand, to absolutely require Mukasey to denounce waterboarding before his elevation to attorney general. Now they have chosen as their spokesman a discredited general, linked to the most egregious abuses in Iraq. The Bush administration passed Sanchez over for a promotion, worried about reliving the Abu Ghraib scandal during the 2006 election year. Now it’s the Democrats who have resuscitated him. Have they no shame?

Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on 500 stations in North America.

may be we should think just without any emotions and just honest and logical about the following question: All Iranians - for me are Iranians only the ones who live in IRI - well all iranians know orbetter knew that the most last iranian kaiser and also his farther, I mean the great one , left Iran on behalf of order of strangers and they, I mean the iranian s living in Iran and now in IRI, did nothing against that devilish order. well now suppose the bushy bushy and his condolences woukld decide since President Ahmadinejad is so and so and in result a Terrorist. he must be brought to Guantanamo. Now just name a number. How many Iranians would stay arround whispering in themselves: Thanks God, he is gone? How many? How many would go with him if there would be no other chasnce? And how many from those "Rightless" Women in IRI, about which one can read all days in the Media of "FREE WORLD", would piss the bushy bushy in his face? Just how many? Please name a number. Greeting