Iranian Democracy and Islamic Revolution

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Jaleho
by Jaleho
28-Jun-2009
 

Ali Lakani provided a great link of Hadi Ghafari's speech against Khamenei in the following news link:

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/06/27-2

The speech is fantastic except that Mr. Ghafaris  arguments are standing on its head:

1. Much to his chagrin, it is not a "particular vali faghih" that people dislike, it is the institution of "velayat faghih" that with maturity of democracy, and the revolution becoming well established in its path, is losing its raison d'etre.

2. People "pech pech" when he walks because he's a cleric, not because they associate him with a non-ammameh wearing president, Ahmadinejad.

3. If people stop "pech pech" around him, it is because of his "V" sign which at the moment they find a sign of "revolt against the system," not because they find him in one religious camp they like against the other religious camp that they dislike!

4. Even a top reformist like Karroobi gets pathetically little votes compared to Mousavi or Ahmadinejad not because the election was rigged, but because "Ammameh" is getting out of fashion!

In short:

Islamic Revolution was an anti-colonial revolution with an "Islamic facade,"  as clergy historically have been in the forefront of such anti-colonial fights together with the intelligentsia. The original stage of Iranian anti-colonial awakening, the Constitutional Revolution, had similar clergy participation. Its next stage, the oil nationalization era was again similar, with people like Ayatollah Kashani as one of its symbols. That one had the national front facade of Mosadeq, whereas the 1978-9 revolution had the Islamic facade as Khomeini who was THE unifying figure of the revolution, although Khomeini appointed the National front Bazargan as its first official head of government.

People like Mr. Ghafari have their arguments backward because they incorrectly believe that the revolution was about Islam! He doesn't recognize that it was an anti-colonial revolution about independence and  "JOMHOURI."  "ISLAM" was its facade; the important ingredient which could unify people of wildly different strata to propel the revolution.

As the ideals of Iranian revolution, democracy, freedom, and independence are reaching a more mature stage, the need for Islam is fading rapidly. Yet, the anti-colonial aspirations of Iranians are still very alive in this stage as well. Absent from the discussion of "Iran experts" on TV these days, is the fact that 94% of all Iranians from both Ahmadinejad and Mousavi camps, are unified in their anti-colonial demand for Iran's right to nuclear energy, while they are struggling for more internal freedom. This is a welcome phase of maturation of democracy in Iran exemplified by the open and critical debate among powerful clergy presented in this link; itself a consequence of the healthy fracture that opened up in the presidential debates. This link sounds like the parliamentary sessions in the UK or US congress!  It even reflects a healthier divide than US congress which on some issues (like Israeli ones) they act uniformly like a bunch of sheep led by AIPAC! This link is a perfect reflection of the healthy stage that Iranian democracy is reaching; the stage where the institution of "velayat faghih is becoming redundant," much to Mr. Ghafari's upcoming disappointment!!

Completely opposite to what some "experts" analyze the present situation in Iran, it is NOT the rise of dictatorship by eradication of "Jomhouri" from "jomhouri Islami," rather it is the NATURAL fading of "Islamic" from the "jomhouri Islami!"

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If this was what you wrote..

by Toofantheoncesogreat (not verified) on

"Call for strike among who??!! There are some frustrated university kids and norther Tehran rich who legitimately are tired of not being able to hold their girlfriend's hands in public, going to parties in a normal fashion, or wearing a hot garbage in summer. Every election they get a chance to pour out their frustration, and this time a megalomaniac ass in the form of Mousavi and the injured ego of his wife with the help of foreign media are making a twitter revolt! And some rioters who are dime a dozen everywhere in the world are burning people's shop too. Yet, with ALL of the media hysteria to pull a Victor Yushchenko out of Mousavi and his hurt ego, they were not even able to create a 1/3 of a Rodney King RIOT!! "

Good job in cut 'n paste David! Did you by any chance distribute the letter that the interior ministry "wrote" to the "dear leader" where the top part with interior ministry's emblem was added with a clumsy physical cut and paste to a passgae explaining in a formal letter how they cheated the vote counts to please the leader's desired outcome of election, and then they actually wrote the "correct" vote count in which Ahmadinejad got 5 million and Mousavi got a gazzillion, followed by another cut and past of the signature of the miniter of interior?!!! BRILLIANT!! I mean, your type are right in assuming some people are stupid enough to buy that kind of crap, casue some actually did, and distributed it widely over the internet!!""

Then khak to saret on behalf of the millions of workers in Iran who dont have NGO rights and get threatened and killed if they do, and on behalf of those that managed to pull off a 60% strike on the day after the 2 million march.

Khak to saret on behalf of the millions that poured out on the streets everywhere in Iran, not just Northern Iranian kids, and the pockets of several thousands that still do, get arrested, beaten, raped and murdered.

Khak to saret on behalf of those who easily see how this election was rigged, the evidence is out there, its obvious, as how the Supreme leader managed to declare this monkeydimenejad the winner after 3 hours of polls closing.

Khak to saret on behalf of those that have been arrested and imprisoned in Evin without any contact with their families because of the orders of the Interior ministry that is run by monkeydimenejad.

And last of all, khak to saret for even trying to justify what has happened in our country for the last 2 weeks by taking the Rapist's side and explanation.

You are a brown shirt jaleho jojeh basiji, instead of a chomagh, you have a keyboard in-front of you. Justice reaches people like you in the end, karma is a bi###.


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IRAN is a sovereign state

by futurist (not verified) on

Jaleho,

IRAN is the most sovereign middle eastern state. We do not want to see a colonial power once again. If the former Bush president mentioned New World Order, IRAN has to join it, too. Religion is fading away everywhere. This year is crucial year for the Persian state. The 1953 Coup should not be repeated again and hope to see a more democratic state of IRAN with peaceful manners among her neighbors.


David ET

O Jaleh O and your IR joke of "democracy"!!

by David ET on

Is that the best you could come up with that the wrong link was pasted in error? Those were your words weren't they and actually posted in more than one place!

The demography of Iranian studenst must have changed a lot in Iran I guess. We have seen pictures of all ages from young teenagers to grandparents , some in wheelchair ...I know ! BS has no limits . Everywhere in the world university students represnt the educated and in your world they are nothing but khas o Khashak and then the regime thugs who beat defenseless people including women and children are the good guys

All that to avoid your Rodney King illogic?

What happend to characteristics of democracy vs totalitar ? Your keyboard does not work anymore? !!!

 

I have no more patience nor time for your dance around the "facts" or for those who support murder. 

 


Jaleho

David ET, have you become so PATHETIC to

by Jaleho on

cut one part of one of my sentences, and add other part of another sentence, and then give a FAKE link in which I have not written anything in, to make people who won't bother to click on that link believe that I actually wrote what you attribute to me?!

"This is what you wrote which in your own words is very few: some frustrated university kids and norther Tehran rich" you called them "not even...1/3 of a Rodney King RIOT".

You called them only: "university students"  

//iranian.com/main/2009/jun/arms"

 

Let me correct David ET's concoted lie

The actual other half of this sentence :"There are some frustrated university kids and norther Tehran rich".... explained the legitimate rights of the students being denied to them.

The subject of the first half of this other sentence:""not even...1/3 of a Rodney King RIOT," was the FEW RIOTERS who are dime a dozen everywhere in the world, and despite the media hysteria couldn't make  1/3 of Rodney KING RIOT."

Here's what I wrote and the correct link is:

//iranian.com/main/blog/david-et/iran-crossroad

"Call for strike among who??!! There are some frustrated university kids and norther Tehran rich who legitimately are tired of not being able to hold their girlfriend's hands in public, going to parties in a normal fashion, or wearing a hot garbage in summer. Every election they get a chance to pour out their frustration, and this time a megalomaniac ass in the form of Mousavi and the injured ego of his wife with the help of foreign media are making a twitter revolt! And some rioters who are dime a dozen everywhere in the world are burning people's shop too. Yet, with ALL of the media hysteria to pull a Victor Yushchenko out of Mousavi and his hurt ego, they were not even able to create a 1/3 of a Rodney King RIOT!! "

Good job in cut 'n paste David! Did you by any chance distribute the letter that the interior ministry "wrote" to the "dear leader" where the top part with interior ministry's emblem was added with a clumsy physical cut and paste to a passgae explaining in a formal letter how they cheated the vote counts to please the leader's desired outcome of election, and then they actually wrote the "correct" vote count in which Ahmadinejad got 5 million and Mousavi got a gazzillion, followed by another cut and past of the signature of the miniter of interior?!!! BRILLIANT!! I mean, your type are right in assuming some people are stupid enough to buy that kind of crap, casue some actually did, and distributed it widely over the internet!!


David ET

Jaleho

by David ET on

I actually credited you by writing that you think opposition is a "few minority". This is what you wrote which in your own words is very few:

"some frustrated university kids and norther Tehran rich" you called them "not even...1/3 of a Rodney King RIOT".

You called them only: "university students"  

//iranian.com/main/2009/jun/arms

 

No Jaleho the one who labels and lies is the one who is taking us for idiots . It takes a big idiot to think that we are idiots to believe you and your regimes crap.

 It takes a big idiot to think that anyone with even elementary knowledge the word democracy would believe you and your regimes' crap that in a democracy:

Opposition is beaten, arrested and murdered

Newspapers and media are controlled or shut down

Foreign Media are unable to report

Plain clothed people are free to roam around and beat and shoot people and attach their homes

thousands are imprisoned for their views

and you call this a democracy?

Here are some words from encyclopedia: 

"There are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all citizens, not invested with the power to govern, have equal access to power and the second that all citizens enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties ...... Furthermore, freedom of political expressionfreedom of speech and freedom of the press are essential so that citizens are informed and able to vote in their personal interests."

Who do you think is the idiot here. We and the Iranians or ?

Now lets look at encyclopdia characteristics of dictatorship

"dictatorship refers to an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state." 

But IR is not even good enough to be a dictatorship . Instead it is a totalitarian system :

"a political system that strives to regulate nearly every aspect of public and private life. Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism." 

Sounds familiar???????????????????????

Those are not my words JALE O! Those are the scientific definitions used to distiguish which system is which and your IR fits so perfectly in the 3rd catagory.

As for your victorious "bye bye" here is my answer to your bosses and your "tolerant" del bedeh gholveh begir friends !

NASHASHIDI SHAB DERAZEH

I wrote it in those words because IR street thugs understand that language better than the encyclopedia , otherwise I would have said Not so fast and 

Time will tell! 


Jaleho

Bijan, you said,

by Jaleho on

"Even if it is only 13 million out of 70 million, the time to fade is NOW, with blood or without. People are not going to sit and take it any more on your time table. We have had it ENOUGH. Your time is up… "

OK deary, why don't you just go ahead and fade "it" NOW, since you had ENOUGH, and MY time is up?!

But see,YOU simply CAN'T. Hell even the all powerful ME can't change any fact on the ground, or in history ;-)

Bijan jan, do you undertand the difference between analyzing a historical or political event with a particular opinion vs. affecting the outcome of the events?!! Those 24 million CAN certainly do that, even those 13 million to a much lesser degree CAN affect the situation. But, your analysis or mine are just dime a dozen, except that I certinly believe mine is better than the delusional people like Karim Sajadpours or Abbas Milanis, and clearly you have an opposite opinion, OK?


Faramarz_Fateh

Jaleho I dare you

by Faramarz_Fateh on

I dare you to list accomplishments of the IRI which have been done without outside help.

I remind you that killing young innocent and defenseless men and women on the streets is not an accomplishment outside Islamo-mafia ridden countries such as IRI

Like I always say, your one way ticket is ready for you


Bijan A M

How can you

by Bijan A M on

with a straight face utter this nonsense:

Completely opposite to what some "experts" analyze the present situation in Iran, it is NOT the rise of dictatorship by eradication of "Jomhouri" from "jomhouri Islami," rather it is the NATURAL fading of "Islamic" from the "jomhouri Islami!"

So, we are to believe that the loss of freedom fighters lives is justified according to your logic to control riot and any movement that would interfere with the “NATURAL”  fading of Islamic from “jomhouri Islami”.  You, and only you will give the nation of Iran the assurance that this natural phenomenon will take place. Just suffer a few more generations, and you will have a true democracy. Mr. Jaleho guaranties it.

Get a life, Sir. Even if it is only 13 million out of 70 million, the time to fade is NOW, with blood or without. People are not going to sit and take it any more on your time table. We have had it ENOUGH. Your time is up…

Adios….


Mehrban

Anyone who is led to believe

by Mehrban on

that Islamic Republic's desire for nukes stems from the same nationalistic instinct as Mosadeq's in nationalizing the oil, should carefully examine the proverbial bait and switch approach of this regime since its inception.  

 


Anonymous Observer

How Funny

by Anonymous Observer on

The filthy regime is gunning people down in the streets and its mouthpieces are talking about "democracy" in that system.

Jaleho:  the IRI is not even a theocracy anymore, it's a thugacrocy, made up of collection of arazel va obash chomaghdar like you.  But, as many people have told you this before: enjoy it while it lasts.  Your day will come too....sooner than you think.


Jaleho

Faramarz_Fateh, you said

by Jaleho on

"What you fail to realize is that without western nations and russia, NO other country has developed anything worth crap."

 

And I say, if you don't understand what a heavy load of crap that statement is, there's no point in arguing.


Jaleho

David ET,

by Jaleho on

someone's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, someone's thug is another's riot controller, and some rioters and thugs are some one else's freedom fighters. And I never said "a few minority" when reference to 13 MILLION strong opposition was made! I just said that it is waaaaay less than 24 million, but in a city where 2.2 million is set up against 1.8 million, iffff rioting is allowed, you may even get a civil war!

When you think you can stop arguing only by labels, and can have a meaningful discussion, let's talk. Until then like Mousavi: 

bye bye David  jan

bye bye David jan


khaleh mosheh

Jaleho-You should be helping out your basiji friends

by khaleh mosheh on

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vTYyqdZSZo&feature=related

You really are quite discredited. 


Faramarz_Fateh

Lets not worry about western nations

by Faramarz_Fateh on

What I said pertains to the filthy government of Iran; they like nulcear energy because they can steal from yet another angel.

What you fail to realize is that without western nations and russia, NO other country has developed anything worth crap.

Even the pakistani nukes are from n. korea, originally from russia; not a A.Q. Khan deal.

So is the Iranian nuke program.

With a nuke program that is 40 years behind times, IRI and the piece of human excrement called Ahmadinejad can only attack a nation like Afghanistan.

Dreams of attacking Israel or the U.S. or anywhere else for that matter is only a pipe dream that is accepted by the UNeducated mass of Iran.

The ones with any brains know that this is B.S.

Now go B.S. to people who have more than an ounce of respect for someone with opinions like yours  :-)


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For The IRI Supporters!

by Anonymous500 (not verified) on

Those unabashed IRI supporters who believe that Ahmadi Nejead has won this "election" by 24 million votes, look who is supporting this piece of garbage in Germany:

جمع فاشیستها جمع است؛
دوستداران آلمانی محمود احمدی‌نژاد

(تیتر از جنگ خبر)
دویچه وله
محمود احمدی‌نژاد که اکنون بر سر دومین دوره‌ی ریاست‌جمهوری او در ایران مناقشه‌ی زیادی است، به‌رغم همه‌ی انتقادها و مخالفت‌ها، در آلمان دوستدارانی نیز دارد. آنان حتا از سیاست سرکوب اپوزیسیون ایران خوشحال‌اند.

روزنامه‌ی آلمانی «زوددویچه تسایتونگ» در مقاله‌ای با عنوان "دوستان آلمانی محمود" می‌نویسد که نئونازی‌ها و احزاب راست افراطی در آلمان مانند «حزب دمکرات ملی آلمان» (NPD) و «اتحاد مردم آلمان» (DVU)، در سیاست روزانه‌ی خود پیوسته نسبت به استحاله و اشغال آلمان توسط مسلمانان هشدار می‌دهند. ولی این مساله مانع از آن نیست که این احزاب راست افراطی، از حکومت الهی در ایران و رهبران آن هواداری کنند.

راست‌های افراطی در اینترنت پیروزی احمدی‌نژاد را جشن گرفتند و همزمان تلاش می‌کنند از آن برای تبلیغات خود استفاده کنند. دو حزب یاد شده به دنبال تشابهاتی میان سیاست محافظه‌کاران اسلامی و وضعیت خود می‌گردند.

«اتحاد مردم آلمان»، پیروزی احمدی‌نژاد را در وبسایت خود تبریک گفت و او را «میهن‌پرستی آشتی‌ناپذیر» خواند. این حزب معتقد است که احمدی‌نژاد «فروتنانه و ایثارگرانه» حکومت می‌کند. حمایت‌گرایی (پروتکسیونیسم) او از ایران در برابر «کوسه‌های بورس» محافظت می‌کند.

با اینکه بسیاری از ایرانیان سیاست اقتصادی احمدی‌نژاد را عامل رکورد تورم و بیکاری گسترده می‌دانند، ولی او برای حزب راست افراطی آلمان «مبارزی شجاع علیه سرمایه‌ی بین‌المللی» است که «به نفع همه‌ی مردم» در اقتصاد دخالت می‌کند.

توهین به جنبش اعتراضی ایران

در وبسایت حزب یاد شده، حتا از خشونت نیروهای امنیتی دولت ایران علیه اپوزیسیون، با استعاره‌ای دست و پا شکسته پشتیبانی می‌شود. در حالی که احمدی‌نژاد جنبش اعتراضی مردم را به «خس و خاشاک» تشبیه کرده بود، راست‌های افراطی آلمان می‌نویسند: «پاسداران انقلاب و میلیشیای بسیج باید هر چه زودتر خیابان‌های تهران را بروبند، زیرا کثافت در خیابان‌ها عمیقا لانه کرده است». نئونازی‌های آلمان با تاکید بر خشونت‌طلبی خود، خواهان آن هستند که جاروی این کار از «برس پولادین» باشد.

«اتحاد مردم آلمان»، احمدی‌نژاد را «رییس‌جمهور مردم» می‌نامد که با تصویر آرمانی یک رهبر سیاسی در میان نیروهای راست افراطی آلمان سازگار است. موضعگیری پرخاشجویانه‌ی احمدی‌نژاد در برابر اسراییل و اظهارات او در انکار هولوکاست، مورد استقبال جریان‌های راست افراطی در آلمان است.

در گردهمایی منکران هولوکاست که در سال ۲۰۰۶ به ابتکار احمدی‌نژاد در تهران برگزار شد، اعضای حزب راست افراطی «دمکرات ملی آلمان» نیز شرکت داشتند. مجله‌ی راست افراطی «ملت و اروپا»، در همان سال، تفسیر احمدی‌نژاد را درباره‌ی هولوکاست با عنوان «سپاس آقای پرزیدنت» به چاپ رساند.

در آلمان نه تنها نئونازی‌ها و احزاب راست افراطی، بلکه گروه‌های بنیادگرا از کشورهای اسلامی نیز از احمدی‌نژاد پشتیبانی می‌کنند. یهودی‌ستیزی و مخالفت با دمکراسی غربی، فصل مشترک این نیروهاست.

The Neo-Nazi garbages are asking for the blood-bath in Iran.


David ET

Jaleho

by David ET on

What heppend to your Rodney King logic .

But thats OK. There is so little that you can say to defend these monsters that I can address any of your remaining left over logics.

If Ahmadinejad has such a big base why is he and the regime so afraid of the few `minority` that is cracking down on it so hard, not allowing marches, arresting and hiring thugs to kill and create fear

Show me any dictatorship in history and present, any military coup and I show you how so similar the regime is to them

Of course 2009 is different than 1979, of course the thugs have their own supporters . But its not the people and protestors who deny the rights of supporters of regime, it is the other way around.

in a democracy that you so much act like to care ab out everyone should openly be able to express themselves , everyone.

 in iran thugs are free and ruling and students and people are in prisons!

 


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Jaleho

by Bache Shir (not verified) on

So you suggest and support Hokoomat e Eslaami for Iran. Welcome to your new role: Iranian-Taalebaan!!! on this site.

Some people do it for Money, some people do it for the thrill, the question is why do you do it Jaleho by supporting the dictatorship and Islamic Estebdaad??!!!


Jaleho

David ET,

by Jaleho on

 There's a simple fact that you don't want to even confront:

Mousavi could not mange a general strike as much as he wanted to, because the MAJORITY of Iranians have voted for AHMADINEJAD!

There was not ANY STRIKE from workers of ANY KIND to support the mostly student youth in the streets, simply because those other majority were for Ahmadinejad!

The same type of demonstartion led to a revolution in Iran when it had the support of other strata of the Iranian society, like the workers, peasants, bazaris and merchant class. No amount of repression could prevent it. You can't accept that obvious fact, because you don't want to, otherwise it is extremely glaring!!


David ET

Rodney King?!

by David ET on

Did US government not issue permits for peaceful demonstrations during Rodney King demos?

Did US government block internet, text messaging, Media, arrest human rights activists ?

Did  US government pay or let thugs roam freely on its behalf to beat people in the streets and their homes?

Stop the nonesense. Say your crap if you want but don't take us for idiots with such comparisons! Give us a little credit , just  a little?

You know damn well , the day Islamic Regime issues permits and take the thugs off the streets, or allow open critic of Islamic Republic and Khamenei,  millions and millions would fill the streets  for days calling for end of this theocratic dictatorial regime run by thugs 

and that ia why they don't allow it 

and that is what makes this regime illigitimate, because they rule by FORCE and OPPRESSION. 

Today any true Muslim would not support this regime of murder

Today any true Republican would not support this regime of thugs

Today any true Iranian would not support this regime of oppression

After seeing what this regime is capable of doing to innocent people, today only the hearless inhuman thugs or extremely ignorant would support such an inhumane regime   

This regime is nor Islamic  nor republic nor represents Iran . This is a regime of thugs. Not that it has not been all along , it is just that at last everyone can see the monster naked . This is what Ayatollah Taleghani said in 1979 and today in 2009 is even more accurate than ever :

 


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Jaleho in denial again (you are only fooling yourself)

by Mobarez (not verified) on

Ms Jaleho states:

"Do you think that US government is illegitimate because there were 53 killed in Rodney King riots and over 2000 injured?

Do you think US government is illegitimate because of Miami riots?

Do you think US government is illegitimate because riot police shoot students in Kent State?"

None of the above instances the Basiji lover refers to occurred after a coup and sham elections. Rodney King and Miami were outright racial riots and the Americans are not exactly proud of Kent State. Ms. Basiji lovers, Jaleho along with Antarinejad/Khamenei however, are proud of these sham elections.

Moreover, the Basiji lover fails to mention that all the Iranian demonstrations were peaceful(no rioting whatsoever) until Khamenei ordered them to "stop or face the consequences". The authorities give license to Basijis to support Anatari but refuse to give the same license to Mousavi supporters so all peaceful attempts to display the displeasure by the public are brutally suppressed through the use of the Basiji/IRGC criminals .

Were the Students in Tehran U who were murdered rioting when the Basiji decided to kill them at night?

Were the people on their rooftops rioting when Basijis enter the houses to arrest and beat them at night?

Was Neda rioting when she was shot?

There are 100's of videos out there showing none rioting people and old women with chadors getting beaten for no reason but to suppress the true feelings of the people in the street .

The numbers are much larger than 20 killed Haj khanoom. Stop the lies. Shame on you!


Jaleho

Faramrz-Fateh, you said,

by Jaleho on

"Islam is the tool for brain washing the uneducated masses of Iran;
now about 10-30% of the population. As the population becomes more educated Islam will be futher pushed out of the system and hopefully from Iran for ever. "

That is a generally correct statement for ALL RELIGIONS. The more educated people become, the less need for religious BS and God.

The point of this blog which you clearly missed completely, was the role of POLITICAL Islam, with emphasis on political not Islam, played in Iranian awakening all the way from Costitutional Revolution to Islamic revolution of 1978-79. Political Islam clearly was the glue that unified Iranians in the recent revolution, the non-revolutionary clerics were put aside as fast as the communists who had failed to lead a successful anti-colonial struggle in oil nationalization era.

Once the sovereignty was gained and the colonial yoke thrown away thanks to the Islamic Revolution, you saw structural changes that provided the "eduation" that you're talking about for majority of Iranian masses! The massive number of women that you see today in the streets are among university students, 65% of which are women, as opposed to a small group of elite Iranian women who were educated in Shah's dictatorship.

You also said:"The ONLY reason the filth in charge of the IRI is interested in nuclear energy is because it gives them anothe means to a steady stream of money they can steal and have stolen in the past 25 years. "

Yeah right! That's why the entire western and nuclear capable nations are insisting to keep a nuclear apartheid among themselves only, just because they don't like corruption in Iran!

Ye chizi begoo keh begonjeh, then we can have a meaningful discussion ;-)


Faramarz_Fateh

Nulcear Iran! LOL what a joke

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Construction of the first nuclear reactor in Iran started in 1972
during the time of the Shah. At that time U.s. and U.S. companies were
the prime contractors for technology transfer as well as construction.

When the Islamo-Mafia took over Iran, Russia became the prime
contractor. Iran's nuclear technology is between 30-45 years behind
times. Its version "A". Contries like Japan, France, Russia and to a
lesser extent U.S. are on Version "C".

To think Iran can withstand a nuclear confrontation with anyone today or 15 years from now is a joke. Everyone knows this.

The ONLY reason the filth in charge of the IRI is interested in
nuclear energy is because it gives them anothe means to a steady stream
of money they can steal and have stolen in the past 25 years.

Islam is the tool for brain washing the uneducated masses of Iran;
now about 10-30% of the population. As the population becomes more
educated Islam will be futher pushed out of the system and hopefully
from Iran for ever.


Jaleho

Majid Zahrai, you said,

by Jaleho on

"A government that shoots its innocent citizens just because it has previously closed all avenues of dialogue and they have taken to streets to say their minds is an illegitimate government. "

There has been 20+ people killed, 7 basiji among them when the riots broke out, not when the demonstrations were peaceful. In Tehran alone ther are 2.2 million people for Mousavi and 1.8 million for Ahmadinejad. A civil strife is a sure outcome when you have such a polarity and riots are allowed and encouraged. Why would that make the Iranian government illegitimate??!

Do you think that US government is illegitimate because there were 53 killed in Rodney King riots and over 2000 injured?

Do you think US government is illegitimate because of Miami riots?

Do you think US government is illegitimate because riot police shoot students in Kent State?


Fred

Unadulterated chutzpah trophy

by Fred on

In a response to Mohammad Marani, head of the North American studies department at Tehran University, an American born and raised Islamist cutthroat who in an interview told Reuters:

"In the short term relations will definitely get worse, but in the long term the U.S. really has to rethink its policy," 

Jim Hogland of Washington Post says: "Marandi thus vaulted to the top of the list of candidates for the 2009 Hoagland Trophy for Unadulterated Chutzpah, Persian division."

Only if Hogland knew about others of the same persuasion as Marandi  


Majid Zahrai

Wrong again, Jaleho

by Majid Zahrai on

I think you are wrong again.

First, you will need to stop talkcing about IRI as a legitimate government anymore.  A government that shoots its innocent citizens just because it has previously closed all avenues of dialogue and they have taken to streets to say their minds is an illegitimate government.

Second, after the events of the past two weeks, people of Iran want NOTHING to do with IRI anymore.  The "Islamic" part got rid of the "Republic" part a long time ago.  The only thing people want out of Islamic Republic of Iran is "Iran".  They want their country back and all of these thugs and goons must go, with ammameh or without. 

Just as time showed how wrong you were about Ahmadinejad being "popular", and how he had a "BIG WIN" in the elections, you will see how wrong you are here as well.

No more of these murderers.  People of Iran may retreat by force and fear now, but that's the message you and others will hear from now on, until their goal is achieved.