IRANdokht

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IRANdokht

Once an apologist, always an apologist

"Four more years, but there's no going back."

So, that's notification to the IR that they have only 48 months to finish destroying Iran and then they must go? Don't be so nice about it. Make sure they get the message. Tell them you insist!

This entire process has been rigged from the outset, and yet you wish to present it as though it is a legitimate electoral process.

That makes you an apologist.

Boycotters are irrelevant? No, the boycotters, such as myself, know that regardless of who "wins", the Iranian people lose. The monkey was on the verge of having his ass handed to him in this so-called "election", which anybody could see as marking a huge turning point in Iran's future. The proverbial genie was about to be let out of the bottle. Even though there's never been a realistic chance of the IR lightening up", they gauged public opinion. And that public opinion will result in "open season" against reforms.

The people would see a removal of Antarinejad as a way of telling Khamenei and his hardline goons that the days of bullying the Iranian people are numbered, if not over. Khamenei saw that, and saw the threat to the regime that this would undoubtedly pose, and ultimately decided that his monkey would stick around another four years. That should explain to even the most ignorant why that primate is so arrogant on TV, equating our homeland's future to the outcome of a football match.

Considering Team Melli couldn't even score a single goal against North Korea, using a football analogy underscores his stupidity.

I, for one, will not ridicule the voters. I feel horribly for them, that they were teased and toyed with in the way that they have been. They were and still are so desperate for a change that they seized upon the first thing they saw as a chance, even though Moussavi realistically would only put a less menacing face on the regime.

And now the one-armed jackal will use these demonstrations as fodder for even greater crackdowns, calling it "un-Islamic", and fueled by the encouragement and interference of the U.S. and Israel.

But. it's OK, right? It's only "four more years", right?

this is hilarious!

someone criticizes my avatar as a propaganda (leaves out the nasty words so she wouldn't get deleted), another one says people who like the same type of poetry are the same people (hello, 90% of the people in Moshaereh enjoyed each other's poems and quoted the same poets). another one catches someone in a GOTCHA moment just for having commented on a personal attack and then right in front of my eyes Jaleh tells Mehrnaz that she'd be "the ONE person" she wouldn't mind being mistaken for...

hmmmm I guess I am not as popular as I was told, but I am one of the few that others obsess about, migi na chand ta comment payin tar ro bekhoon LOL

so there! :-P

IRANdokht

Dear Mehrnaz,

Despite completely opposite political opinion regarding Iran, you are the ONE person that I am totally honored to be confused with!

pssst. I am just putting logs in the fire in the "tanoor" of those people whom I like to "play like a fiddle" :-) :-)

It's.because.my.space.bar's.broken..i'm.taking.it

to.the.shop.now..I.didn't.want.to.give.up.the.computer.these.

past.days.

Rosie

Here are the undeniable similarities between the two:

They both attack this Samsam character and call him essentially the same things (that he writes nonsense, he’s a racist, etc.);  

They are both into poetry and their “poems” are very similar;

They both have a condescending writing style, even though neither one of them appears to know anything about the subject matter that they are writing on;  

It appears that the two never appear on the same thread together with the exception that when they do, “Mehrnaz”’s sole function is to bolster Jaleho’s comments and compliment her on how good she is, how much everyone loves her, etc…. There is even at least one occasion in which “Mehrnaz” actually wrote a poem praising Jaleho!!!!! This makes sense considering how self-absorbed our hezbollahi friend Jaleho is.

The fact that one “addresses” you and the other does not, in my opinion, IS the reason why Jaleho has created this other username.  I’m sure you can figure out the underlying psychological reasons.

PS, putting periods between words makes your writings very difficult to read--as we are mentally used to pausing after each period.  I used to read your comments a lot, but now I avoid them just for that reason.  Reading them gives me a headache!

Mehrnaz.and.Jaleho.are.two.completely

different.people.J.has.always.refused.to.address.me..(til.now).on.

grounds.of.my.being.unworthy.of.comment;.MS.has.always.engaged.

me,.even.offsite;.MS.is.a.nuanced.thinker;.J.is.not;.MS.always.has.

a.critical,.analytical.writing.style;.J.sometimes.uses.poppy.adspeak;

MS.never.posits.anything.she.says.as.axiomatic.and.not.open.to.

debate;.j.does.this.a.lot.

Finally.J.is.anti..

oops!..scratch.that.

Jaleho aka Mehrnaz Shahabi

How is it possible, that you didn't appear here for a while, but after Anonymous 111's comment now you are showing yourself suddenly? We caught you lying, Baby  :)))

"Jaleho and her alter ego / other username "Mehrnaz Shahabi"!

Anonymous 111, Oh deary deary me!  I have been trying to fool you all this time; what a wasted effort ;)  My word of advice: just keep it quiet, dear!!!

Okay,.maybe.I.should've.made.myself.clearer.

from.the.start.to.set.this.discussion.on.the.right.course.

The.reason.why.I.focussed.on.the.word.you.used."ir-

relevant".to.characterize.the.boycott,.which.means.the.boycotters,.

i.e.human.beings,.is.because.that.is.the.'buzz.word'.going.around.

and.no.matter.how.you.want.to.spin.it.and.defend.it.in.the.context.

of.the.paragraph.you.used.t.in,.It.opened.the.paragraph.and.

framed.t.and.it.is.a.contemptuous.sneering.word.

(To.repeat.from.below,.'irrelevant'.implicitly.claims.

non-existence.within.a.context.the.parameters.of.which.are.pre-

determined.by.the.claimer.herself,i.e..you).

Itwould.be.one.thing.to.start.off.by.saying.the.boycott(ers)

iis.not.a.viable.strategy.or.whatever,.but.to.start.off.with.

such.a.loaded.term.is.negative.hype.

(If.there.be.any.doubt.about.the.nature.and.boundlessness.of.

your.capacity.for.contempt,.it.is.documented.in.your.last.post.

to.me..Thank.you.for.posting.it).

___________________________________-

The.reason.I.focus.so.much.on.specific.words.and.phases.you.

use.is.because--apart.from.the.fact.that.you.do.it.all.the.time;

it's.your.preferred.M.O.for.unleashing.your.contempt.on.any.

individual.or.group.who.you.are.out.to.get.and.there's.always.

someone--the.use.of.slogans.and.soundbytes.is.the.

essence,.the.sine.qua.non,.of.propaganda..Propaganda.is.

not.based.on.arguments,.it's.based.on.manipulation.of.the.

language.itself...Repeat.a.term.over.and.over,.create.a.drumroll.

then.people.march.

____________________________-

And.the.most.important.manipulation.of.language.is.in.the.framing.

which.first.occurs.in.the.TITLES..Just.look.at.your.title..and.then.

you.actually.come.out.below.and.say.that.anyone.who.posted.to.

you.about.the.title.is--to.use.your.favorite.contemptuous.word-

irrelevant!!!.Such.cheek!

And.that.wasn't.even.to.me,.I.didn't.even.mention.that.cheap.

propagandistic.title.til.now..You.wrote.that.title.and.you.refused.

to.discuss.it.while.people.were.burning.buses.and.getting.clubbed.

by.batons.

If.that.footage.came.from.Gaza.after.an.Israeli-sponsored.

OT.election,.I.could.just.see.you.choosing.a.title,."Four.more.years.

of.the.Zionist._______________.fill.in.the.blank..).but.springtime.

is.just.around.the.corner. '

___________________________________

And.boy.if.anyone.did.that.I.could.see.you.go.on.and.on.

about.it.for.the.next.fifty.year.until.they.were.duly.ostracized.

You.are.the.person.who.on.every.single.thread.chides.(yes,

chides,you.are.a.professiona..chider).for.using.an.exclamation.

point.intead.of.a.period.HABITUALLY.on.grounds.of.being.rude,

uncivil,.destructive.to.the.communty--yes.you.do--and.then.

you.come. here.and.say.people.who.criticize.your..title.are.

irrelevant!

___________________

You're.a.propagandist..And.what.really.IS.irrelevant.is.that.you.

show.your.stances.to.be.flexible,..Because.unlike.Jaleho,.whose

propaganda.at.least.is.really.about.promoting.an.ideology,.your.

propaganda.is.about.promoting.you,.

And.to.do.that.you.have.to.be.flexible.about.the.spin,.keep.your.

ear.to.the.ground.and.suss.out.the.currents.and.move.with.them..

--You.will.spin.whatever.you.suss.out.to.be.the.majority.opinion.at.

any.given.moment..This.kind.of.propagandist.s.the.most.

dangerous.of.all. They. care.only.about.power.

Even.your.avatar.(please,moderator.this.is.important).is.ALL.about.

promoting.you..Okay,.I.won't.use.any.descriptor.to.clarify.that.

statement.because.it.got.deleted.when.I.did...I'll.leave.it.to.the.

reader.to.find.their.own.words.to.describe.it.

_____________________

Yes,.my.avatar.is.propagandistic.too,.but.it.sure.isn't.about.me..

Now.say.again.that.I'm.spamming.and.that.I.don't.read.things.

Get.a.buzz.going..Then.go.out.of.your.way.to.be.super,super.polite.

to.the.next. people.you.address.even.if.they.call.you.Gestapo.(someone.did.and.you.were.soooooooo.sweet.about.it.in.the.

same.post.where.you.started.to.eviscerate.me)..to.prove.how.

"good'.and."nice'.and."tolerant".and.'flexible".you.are.

_________________________

Do.it.Now.Spin.it.Come.up.with.a.couple.of.good.new.buzzwords.

about.me.But.don't.forget.to.get.all.the.juice.you.can.out.of.

'spammer'.too.And.don't.forget.to.keep.repeating.over.and.over.

and.over,.'Rosie.doesn't.know.anything.Rosie's.not.Iranian".Get.a.

good.drumroll.going..and.if.anyone.defends.me,.if.you.think.

they. are.part.of.the.majority.or.serve.your.end.in.some.way,.

flatter.them.so.you.look.good.and.to.win.them.over.to.your."side".

or...

create.some.drumroll.on.them.

And.spin.it.

It's.ALL.in.the.language.

 _______________________________

111

This one's for you!

IRANdokht

"Irandokht"

Bag it!!!  This is nonsense.  Now get back to your lovefeast with Jaleho and her alter ego / other username "Mehrnaz Shahabi"!!! 

What an apologist!

Desi jan

If only you were on facebook already....  ;-)

here's a very interesting clip from CNN Fareed Zakaria's program:

Reza Aslan, Afshin Molavi, and Nicholas Burns discuss the Iranian elections and what the outcome could mean.

//www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/06/...

IRANdokht

Dear Reader

I am sorry if the frustration that I might have felt towards other negative and very personal comments came through in my reply to you.

thanks for your comment.

IRANdokht

ID jan, Those who call you

ID jan,

Those who call you an apologist don't read your blogs carefully. You're hardly an IRI supporter.  It's true, the next 4 years will have to be different.  You're right.  The hard liners and Khamenei will have to loosen their grip now that they've seen that their rhetoric isn't as popular as they thought.   I've heard that if AN uses the military ie martial law to calm the clashes.  It will only piss off the people more and may even further confirm fraudulence charges in the international community.   It's different this time.  These kids have some serious stamina and it's not just kids.  It's older people too.  I have a feeling they're going for it.  The news feeds have this as their main feed all weekend.   This is 100% more than 1999.  Gnarly! 

Dear IRANdokht,

I sense a tint of frustration and resentment in your response to my comment. I wrote the comment in support of your blog and your earlier responses to other comments posted thereunder. Among so many blogs posted on this website covering the June 12th election and its aftermath, I found yours to be the most insightful.

For those of us who had the fortitude not to lose ourselves in the brouhaha generated around the election and its ramifications, and saw this event as just one episode of many in the arduous evolution of our country from patriarchalism to democracy, the emotional rollercoaster shown by many contributors to this site, while understandable, appears sophomoric.

In the absence of reliable information, and abundance of propaganda emanating from sources of questionable integrity, the prudent approach is to rely on the knowledge and experience we have acquired throughout our adult life, to appreciate what is going on in our country, rather than ingesting the sensational half-truth we are being fed by the news industry, and its amateur copycats.

thats it?

You sold your people out the first day of such a major event without knowing the facts?!! and now shedding tears for them?

What would you have said if you were around in 1953?

What does that tell us about your other judgements?

Come out openly and write a short new blog and tell those you contradicted for telling you the facts that you were wrong and apologize for disrespecting millions of Iranians by openly telling them they are the uptown minority and to expect 4 more years chosen by majority.

But do not delete this apologist mark on your record one day, that would be so cowardish.

Iran jaan, haven't seen anything else but this vid

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKzF98HuJ98

Shazdeh

I heard he was charged with speaking with Americans when Obama was in Egypt. Did you see that report anywhere?

IRANdokht

Desi jan

you might be up to something my dear ;-)  that is quite a theory about the secret love affair, I know that they feed off each other too.

Mousavi does not have a way to spread the word, there is one site you can check for updates: //sites.google.com/site/mousavi1388/

He's asked his supporters to gather on Monday afternoon which will be in a few hours. 

I wrote the blog when there was a lot of confusion and not much of a protest yet and things had not escalated to this level. After reading and listening to all analysis and articles about the election fraud and witnessing the latest developments, I am also convinced that there was more than tweaking going on now as I mentioned in my earlier comments... 

I am glad my friends don't call me an apologist like some other nice folks do! just for writing a blog about the confusing state I was in!

IRANdokht

PS: did you go to the rallies? I went to the federal building today and it was exciting, emotionally charged and CROWDED

Khatami is arrested too

//coup88.mihanblog.com/post/33

Irandokht jaan, I'm no

Irandokht jaan,

I'm no statistician.   However here's how I see things.  Iran's urban population stands at 64%.  Most Iranians live in the big cities.  Most Iranian's within the major cities showed an overwhelming support for Moussavi.  Most people who vote, wether you're in Iran or the US tend to be more educated and willing in engaging in the democratic process.  Which in my opinion would then reduce the rural vote.  In other words if all 35% of people in the shahrestans did vote and voted overwhelmingly for AN.  He would still be the loser.  In my opinion this was a huge sham.  It's such a pity.  During the Iranian elections in the past, the only time Iranians came out in droves and voted is when there was a viable reformist candidate.  Which only means during the next elections Iranians won't vote AT ALL regardless of who the candidates are.  I think it's funny that Khamenei is boasting about the democratic turn out when the only reason there was a turn out at all was because most people who voted obviously voted AGAINST the incumbant. Which makes me wonder why Ahmedinejad, to quell all rumors, not do a recount.  He has nothing to lose, if in fact it was a landslide as he says.  It is also very dissapointing that Moussavi hasn't addressed his supporters.  It's interesting to see what happens within the next few days with house arrests and rumors of Rafsanjani's resignation.  A 62% landslide is impossible!!!  At least agar meekhan kolah sare mardom bezaran make it seem some what plausible.

Which also confirms my theory that Khamenei and Netanyahu are secret lovers.  What a win win for the IRI and Israel.  Chee fekr meekony?  Hala har do ta shoon meetoonand be ham deege hamle bekonand and their prophecy will be fulfilled.

Manuch

When I wrote the blog there was a lot of emotions and a lot of unknown. There has been many news and analysis from Iran since and I have mentioned in my comments that the developments are making the situation a lot clearer. 

You calling me an apologist based on the blog that was written earlier and ignoring what I said afterwards only says that you are too quick to judge and accuse.

Thank you  

IRANdokht

dear reader

I guess I haver to repeat myself:

I also received an email with similar numbers, but the fact is that none of the results, official or non-official cannot be proven. Iran does not have an international monitoring of the voting system and the numbers that are given cannot in fact be disputed nor proven fraudulent
as unbelievable as they are

If you want me to explain those numbers, as you can see I did not assume those numbers were correct and I was replying to someone who mentioned different results and gave those numbers as an example. 

I hope I am clear this time. Thanks for your comment.

IRANdokht

To whom it may concern;

If you think this election was fair and the best candidate (Mamood) has won and as you put it Mousavi is just a "sore loser", I guess you haven’t read or watched any news that are coming from Iran in the last 2 days.

You have chosen not to see what the “The Winner” along with the police is doing on the streets or perhaps you don’t care. People being attacked, beaten and jailed to name a few for wanting their votes to be counted, and since when you believe that IRI is capable of producing “fair” elections even in a relative sense of the word?

People anger is more about lack of freedom and prevalence of repression, Estebdaad, hopefully you still know what that means. It's not about Mousavi! I wonder if you can see the bigger picture, can you?

PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

Every.single.solitary.thing.you.just.said.

about.me.is.completely.and.absolutely.one.hundred.percent.

correct,.and.I.am.sure.that.if.you.took.a.poll,.that.one.hundred.

percent.of.the.people.here.would.agree.with.you.one.hundred.

percent.

MiNeum71

What did they use on these kids? the injuries looked like burn marks!! 

Thanks for the clips

IRANdokht

for the last time

Rosie you have no idea what you're talking about and if you were not so busy writing on every single blog and article and took some time to actually read people's dialogues you would sound more sane. After this blog was written there were many developments and demonstrations, analysis and news from Iran came out and I also agreed that I have more doubts about the results of the election, but you are on a roll jumping from here to there and refering people to go see what you said on another blog, or just copy paste your comments everywhere which has become annoying.

so here's my last response to you maybe it helps you understand!

Jaleh said: So rare to see a fair and civil discussion coming from the loser side ;-)

I said you certainly have a way to get people all riled up my friend!

do I care if you understand the point? NO

Am I tired of seeing you spam every single blog You Betcha!

was that "cutsie" enough for you?

IRANdokht

Shocking

Video footage of students of Technical University of Isfahan after being attacked by police forces:

//www.flickr.com/photos/imanjafari/3624477353...

plus //rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/06/13/w...

IRANdokht,

I have also received a similar e-mail purportedly showing the votes’ breakdown released by employees of the Ministry of Interior. However, I noticed something unusual about the numbers in this list. Is it incidental that in the number of votes reported here for Mosavi, Amadinejad and Rezaei no digit is repeated, but the rejected and Karubi's numbers had five identical digits, in the same order?

It is not difficult to calculate the odds for such an incident, and - I tell you - it's going to be very very small. Certainly, the odds for this list to be bona fide are smaller than those for Andrew Sullivan’s linear fit.