Four more years but there's no going back

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Four more years but there's no going back
by IRANdokht
13-Jun-2009
 

It's clear that for most of us who rely on video clips from Iran, blogs and foreign TV reports believed that the majority was with the green voters: they're more outspoken, more visible (especially on the electronic media) and they represent the more liberal views that we also share. We rarely ever hear from the rural areas, we do not hear from the Iranians who are not online, who do not participate in blogs and TV interviews. One 10 mile trip from the south of Tehran to the northern part demonstrates the immense cultural gap in Iran's society. It shouldn't come as a surprise to see this silent majority win the election for their candidate, as disappointing as it is for most of us abroad. Could it be that the corruption and the "agha zadeh" thieveries frustrate the Iranian people the most? Could it be that slamming Rafsanjani's son sounded more pleasant to most Iranians than criticizing Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial? I don't know, I don't have the numbers and I sure don't know all the facts.

Of course the millions of green voters represent a huge crowd who can fill the streets and assemble in impressive numbers. This level of uprising was not seen for decades in Iran.
These struggles that you see on the streets today are between the voters and the ruling government.

That's why the boycotters are irrelevant. If people had agreed with them and boycotted the election by staying home, they would have had no leg to stand on today. The anti Ahmadinejad voters are demanding to be counted, and due to their high numbers they represent a powerful force. Where does that leave the ones who didn't vote? out in the cold!  The ironic part is that this group is now boasting, ridiculing the voters and encouraging the demonstrations which is yet another cowardice stance from the ones who sit at home and cry lengesh kon.

I am also disappointed by the results and I have seen reports that try to scientifically prove fraud: //tehranbureau.com/2009/06/13/faulty-election... also many political figures, and groups inside Iran, even "rohanioon mobarez" have rejected the results of the election.  

Nevertheless, the election was a victory for Iranian people because it's process opened discussions and put forth a brand new wave in Iran's political scene. I have no doubt the results were tweaked in favor of the hardliners, but at the most, I would believe a closer set of numbers that would have led to another round.

These are exciting times in our country. People are energized, open and more active in the scene. Iranian century long struggle for democracy and freedom is taking its course and moving forward, bending and defeating the obstacles and social barriers put forth by the ruling regimes. The generation of Iranians who are demonstrating today were mostly born in the last three decades, proving that even with strict Islamic laws and Islamic education, Iran's fight for freedom cannot be stopped. Nothing will be the same going forward, they might silence this crowd temporarily, but they cannot stop them. I just wish someone qualified was leading these struggles to help the Iranians who cry for freedom and oppose the corruption as well as human rights violations. Unfortunately we have an opposition that keeps missing the boat.

At this point, the question is how these next four years would be different from the last four. Will the ruling hardliners soften up with the knowledge of the growing moderates and fear of being removed from power? will they come down hard on people and take up an even more radical foreign policy? 

No matter what, the change is here.

 

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IRANdokht

To all who didn't read what I wrote

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To all who didn't read what I wrote and commented hastily based on their own skewed views, next time read it before you make a fool out of yourselves. I  dare you read the blog one time over. Don't worry you won't turn into stone!

As long as you keep a blind eye to the reality and insist on your radical ways, you will never learn to embrace change.

The change is here! Iran has changed and it's moving forward. The hardliners are still trying to hard to hold on to power to this day, but the layers of the IRI government are peeling apart from the most radical branch and joining the people. This election represented a victory for the freedom loving Iranians who made the world hear what the have to say.

IRANdokht


SamSamIIII

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SamSamIIII

Damet garm Rosie

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cool exposee ,the  lil philosopher ;), you are an honorari Iranian in my book . It,s not in the birth certificate otherwise these Ommaties are considered one too, even Khamenei .

Cheers sis!!!

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia


rosie is roxy is roshan

Dear.fan,

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

I.understand.the.confusion.and.concern.

You.are.right.I.always.try.my.best.to.be.fair. 

Thanks.for.the.heads.up.

Take.care.


SamSamIIII

JJ jaan, sorry I didn,t buy you chelo kebob

by SamSamIIII on

 

you have deleted 4 of my replies to the uturn issue which had absolutly no insult, no charges , no profanity and 100 times milder in content than the average replies and didn,t even name names all for the sake of your chelo kebob buddies. Now I had said as recently as a few days ago that your moderation level was pretty fair & good  but it seems the grace period is gone . in both the khamenei kingdom & yours ;) it seems connection, khodii va nakhodii & favoritism rule so next time I see ya  talking about equal treatment I make sure I be there, buddy .

& if the old moderator gang is helping you because of Iran crisis then let your readers know so as not to waste their precious time writing comments that get deleted outta personal animosity. wasting peoples time by deleting their civil comments is DISGUSTINGLY UNETHICAL .

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia


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ایران دخت

مسعود (not verified)


تا مرد سخن نگفته باشد
عیب و هنرش نهفته باشد

چه خوب شد این چیزها را نوشتی. اگر تو دختر واقعی ایران بودی طرفداری این آشغال ها ی متقلب را نمی کردی. پیروزی احمدی نژاد مبارکت باشد. خون بچه های ایران را هم مثل گوسفند قربونی زیر پای رییس جمهور عزیزت ریختند.


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rosie

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You GOT TO GET YOUR KEYBOARD FIXED! It's driving me crazy but I spent the couple extra moments needed to read your post and I have to agree. You summed it up XACTLY! Character flaw indeed.


rosie is roxy is roshan

Not.disintegrating..

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

coalescing.

It.coalesced.into.two.mutual.admiration.societies..LOL

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There.are.three.overlapping.words.for.the.phenomena.you

describe;.projection,.reaction.formation,.and.paranoia

itself.

However,.there.is.also.hypocrisy.

It's.a.different.story..It.is.not.a.defense.mechanism.but.a

character.flaw.

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I'll.take.a.paranoiac.over.a.hypocrite.any.day.of.the.week.


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But I have to realize its

by disintegrating by the minute (not verified) on

But I have to realize its inevitable that a blog takes on a life of its own. Actually I've never had a problem with that. It's just life and human nature. But damn, this one has really flown the coop! I love it. It's always the same ones who accuse others of "being someone else" but when THEY are accused of it, all of a sudden, the world is paranoid. There is a word for this. It's always the same ones who accuse others of being "rude" but when accused of it themselves, all of a sudden, the world is paranoid. There is a word for this as well. This oh-so-smooth and underhanded way of the sneak attack and engaging the prior "enemy" is great entertainment.


Fouzul Bashi

There is no going back

by Fouzul Bashi on

"Now the myth that there is a leader up there whose power is unquestionable is broken"

- Azar nafisi

That's one of the biggest changes in the iranian political atmosphere.

I hope for peace and safety of all iranians. May the positive changes be brought to our homeland by the new generation of iranian voters and no foreign entity. 

 

 


Kaveh Nouraee

Anonymousfriend

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Now that hopefully the laughter has subsided.......

So my knowledge of written Farsi sucks....so what? I didn't attend school in Iran, and in the late 1960s-early 1970s, Farsi classes were not yet available in the Washington DC area for school age children. C'est la vie.

But to someone like IRANdokht, that precludes me from being a "real Iranian". That's why she posted a response in Farsi. She is so eager for the attention, acknowledgment and validation by others that she does this in the childish hopes of humiliating me.

Sure, I would have liked to have attended school back home. I would then be able to read for myself all of the beautiful poetry that sometimes brings tears to my eyes when I hear my father recite them. But other than that, it has never been a burden.

Instead, I guess it was more important for me to be the liaison for some of my relatives who arrived in the U.S. after we did. Helping them with their English, translating for them, facilitating everyday things English-proficient people take for granted, so that they wouldn't be taken advantage of in a land that already gave them a huge culture shock. Their need to understand written English was greater than my need to understand written Farsi.

I can see IRANdokht typing her response then snickering as she activated the software to turn it into Farsi, thinking that she put one over on me.

Well, now anyone can see for themselves the true nature of an arrogant, narrow-minded, elitist, someone who is everything that she says she is not. Someone who, when confronted with the faults in her position on an issue, resorts to a tactic that not only underscores her desperation, but also her complete lack of class.

I can always begin studying and master written Farsi. But she'll never be more than what she is right now.


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Rosie jan, aziz jan

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I,ve been reading your blogs and commenting for years Rosie and you always seem very fair and insightfull. I am not sure what,s going on lately but you sound like you are after revenge with Irandokht. For example the picture on this blog is the ugliest pictue of khamenie and MA his face is red like devil and his little monky is sceeming.but you pretend not to see that and give her hell. I don,t think your being fair and I have always seen you as a fair person..I am not sure what,s going on with you sweety but you don,t sound like yourself on this blog.Just though you should here it from a friend.


Kaveh Nouraee

Kourosh

by Kaveh Nouraee on

Thanks for the info on IRIB. I'll be sure to check it out.

And you may be right, trying to instill some sense into (some) of this crowd is a waste of energy.

It seems like the apple not only didn't fall far from the tree, it fell right into the manure used to fertilize the soil.


Anonymous111

Jaleho Sweetheart

by Anonymous111 on

You're going overboard trying to show that you and "Mehrnaz" are two different people...

But keep it coming though...it's actually pretty entertaining. :-) :-) 

PS, I know that you do not possess the requisite intelligence to undertsand this, but who is being played "like a fiddle" now? 


rosie is roxy is roshan

Let.me.try.to.put.this.to.you.as.simply..

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

as.possible.

 

in.light.of.the.events.of.the.past.several.days,.(which.btw,.were

unfortunately.predictable)... 

 

If.you.had.gone.to.Tehran.University.the.day.you.wrote.this.blog.

 

holding.up.a.big.poster.with.that.picture.of.yours.of

 

Ahmadinejad.and.Khamenei.and.the.flowers...

and.given.a.speech.with.what.YOU.had.to. say

starting.with.that.title.of.yours.as.the.big.rousing.opener..

 

and.I.had.gone.too.and.said.what.I.had.to. say..in.my.fifth.grader.

pigin.Persian.. 

 

who.do.you think.would've.gotten.the....

well.."boos"..

to.put.it.mildly...

______________________________

I.am.sure.I.would've.been.booed.off.the.street,.(and.maybe.even.

gotten.the.first. rock.thrown.at.me)..

because.I.don't.understand.the."Iranian.psyche".

I.am.positive.of.it.

_______________________________

Oh,.and.amidst.the.thundering.applause,.I.hope.you.would.not.

have.forgotten.to.tell.them.that.their.reactions.to.the.title.

were..

"irrelevant".

_____________________

 

CAN.I.MAKE.IT.ANY.CLEARER.THAN.THAT?


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Kaveh Nouraee

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What a great analysis but buddy, you know you are wasting your time attempting to put some sense into the minds of  this crowd. One report and one not-so-reliable survey is all that they need to go by, to get the satisfaction that they have made their point and it is what makes them happy.

They take advantage of the fact that there is no way to actually prove that there was any kinda of fraud, to make their case,  but choose to ignore the growing number of evidence and indications that point to the HUGE possibility of behind-the-scene manipulations.

You should watch, I mean actually watch the IRIB after-election broadcast of the events on IRIB-6 (go to iran.tv). what a nice mast-mali. The coverage of yesterday's events was also interesting. A distant shot of what happened infront of the interior ministry, with the voice over that basically called the protestors bunch of vahshi  and then the speech given by the monkey in which by the way he took it upon himself to blame "liberal democracies" to go to any lenghts to seek the votes of KESAFAT homosexuals ( he actually used that word , just like he used the word najes about israelis in one of his debates.) 

The apple does not fall too far from the tree my friend.


MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

SamSam, Which U-turns?

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

I have not deleted anything I have written, deary!  I have got YOUR foul language deleted, and sometimes in the process of deletion, a section of the thread is deleted altogether.  If you wish, I can re-write the extensive corrections I wrote to your Parsi grammar and spelling; you may wish to use the opportunity to learn something.

In relation to the U-turn, could you, without using foul language, specify what U-turn?  I am not against U-turns, it is a sign of critical thinking, if done on the basis of principles and reflection. However, in relation to these elections, I have always been in favour of voting, and for voting for Mousavi.  In Jaleho's blog I left the following comment:

Big Sad Day for the people of Iran

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

For those who claim there have been no fraud (or large scale fraud) - before many many complaints and claims of fraud have been investigated - they are kidding themselves, if not underestimating the intelligence of other people.  

I have always defended Iran's soverignty against external intervention or attack, this betrays Iran's sovereignty by stealing the voice of the people, whilst unashamedly boasting the large turn out.

Are all those demonstrating now in the streets of Tehran, traitors or foreign agents? 

I am following the events as they unfold and listen to debates, and am always prepared to make a U-turn!!  As part of my observation, I am aware of many vatanforoosh and traitors who have jumped on the badwagon to whip up tension with the intention to instigate a civil war (Revolution they call it!) to install a puppet regime.  They have no concern for the safety, welfare and prosperity of ordinary Iranians.  In relation to those, I NEVER make a u-turn!!!


Jaleho

WOW Mehrnaz jan!!

by Jaleho on

I didn't know I can write such beautiful poetry :-)

Thanks a lot, I got your poem from former Manoucher blog. I had missed two of his blogs. Kheyli mokhlesim.


Jaleho

ID and Mehrnaz, I guess you're

by Jaleho on

making fun of me regarding a poem that I have missed? What is it, clue me in please.

ID jan, I might have made Mehrnaz as the president, and Niloufar as the VICE (before Niloufar comes to complain about her lower position!!), but I sure made you vali faghih ;-) :-)

 


IRANdokht

what happened to Maghshoosh???

by IRANdokht on

Jaleh I bet he's still around, wish he would just peek in once in a while...  so if you're maghshoosh too please reply anonymously delam khosh basheh ;-)

IRANdokht


SamSamIIII

What is more pitifull than a hezbollahi is a ...

by SamSamIIII on

 

closet enabler who does U Turn ..

If one doesn,t have the logic or clue to face the arguments presented against her baseless rubbish then one should cease writing in public or atleast have the decency not to get em deleted & act as clueless mazloom after the fact. pitifull distortionist .

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia


Anonymous111

Wow "Mehrnaz" and "Jaleh-O"

by Anonymous111 on

The "two of you" are awfully defensive... :-)


MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

Irandokht

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

Very funny!  It could be 'said' that I voted for myself;)


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hilarious!!!!!

by Anonymousfriend (not verified) on

Ummmmm,,,,,,Irand2kht, kaveh cannot read Farsi, AND YOU KNOW THAT, WHY did YOU answer him in Farsi?????


IRANdokht

it's always good to laugh!

by IRANdokht on

People are not mature until they learn to communicate despite their differences. It's ok if some don't see it yet, but some day if they're lucky they will find out that you can have an opposing view with someone and still manage civil discussions, mutual respect and even friendships. Jealousy and hate are different, those folks can't get over their problems without serious therapy.

Jaleh jan

You had shown favoritism before too, don't go denying that you voted for Mehrnaz as the first female president!!  and I was right there on that same post, sitting in the corner pretending to be eating my noon o maast and watching you cast your vote for her. :-P

Maybe that was because she can write poems...  if I were only a tad  talented.   <sigh>

:o)

IRANdokht


MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

Jaleh va Irandokht

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

Jaleh Jaan, the respect is mutual.  Despite the sharply opposing views on the current situation, I trust your love for Iran.  You were too busy praising Ahamdi Nedjad to thank me for the poem, by the way!

Irandokht, Jaleh was dishing out poetic justice, don't take it to  heart!  Have you already forgotten my ode to dokhtar-e een sarzamin?! 

You know, I have been very sad and worried but our 'deary' 'deary' detectives did cheer me up and reminded me that there is always something to laugh about! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 


Jaleho

Hey BTW, let me

by Jaleho on

put more log in the fire! Do people know that besides moshaereh, we both enjoyed "maghshoosh?"

Of course, if you ask me, even maghshoosh is US. Part of me that I miss!


Jaleho

Dear IRANDokht,

by Jaleho on

I'll be happy if people think I am you too, but so far this is the second blog that poor Mehrnaz is being accused of being me :-)

You have not been demoted thta much YET, haha. This cloning works, I swear!

BTW, the "play like a fiddle" was a reference to that other blog that Mehrnaz knows what I was talking about.


Anonymous111

Irandokht

by Anonymous111 on

Poetry is not the only similarity.  There are others as well.  Such as the fact that Jaleho and Mehrnaz like to use the word "deary" often and in the same context.  Look below at "Mehrnaz"'s comment to me and then look here:

//iranian.com/main/blog/jaleho/vote-it-made-easy-all

and also the fact that "Jaleho" and "Mehrnaz" seem to be the only people on this site who 1) save their comments in case they are deleted and re-post them, and 2) post links from one of their comments to the other.  See here for example:

//iranian.com/main/blog/jaleho/iranians-won-big

unofrtunately, Mehrnaz's comment doing the same was deleted on Samsam's blog.

But, as I said before, feel free to carry on with your lovefeast with both of "them" if you wish!


rosie is roxy is roshan

Kaveh,

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

If.you.did.not.already.see.them,please.see. 

my.comments.on.abstentionism.and.voting.,n.the.first.two.posts.

I.posted.on.this.thread,.back.to.back,.toward.the.beginning..

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 Sorry.for.the.dots..The.shop.just.ordered.me.a.new.keyboard.

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