Wipe Iran off the map

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Fred
by Fred
13-Nov-2010
 

Role reversal is a technique where, to have better insight into a situation, a person exchanges role with another, in other word, walking in someone else’s’ shoes.

To understand the other side and have an edge on the opposition, this technique is often used by politicians and particularly militaries of different countries.

Having that in mind, as difficult as I know it is for some to even think of it, but I strongly suggest the use of the technique in the current face off between the sane world and IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic.

Most of the advice coming from the usual talking heads, the lobbyist and gofers has been about seeing it from the Islamist Rapists’ perspective.  They say, if only they were respected enough, given security guarantees, a seat at the table and unconditionally engaged in wide ranging subjects of their choosing, them Islamist Rapists would behave differently.  Well, how about a role reversal for a change?

What would a red-blooded Iranian do if for over three decades U.S. government organized Americans to chant death to Iran?

What would Iranian politicians who love their country and compatriots, are responsible for their safety and security, do if a country openly stated its national goal was to wipe Iran off the map and was strongly suspected of making the tools to do it with?

What would Iranians do if a regime held annual conferences where rabid anti-Iran and Iranian guests were flown in from all over the world to read out their essays on how much they hate Iran and Iranians and what they like to do to them?

What would mucho Iranian men feel about another country labeling Iranian women as fornicators and her First Lady as a harlot?

Islamist Rapists are playing with fire, imposing a hefty price on Iran and Iranians, again.

Before it is too late, the sane world has to help enslaved Iranians with material support to overthrow the weaponized nuke acquiring messianic Islamists who are bent on “managing the world.”

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Mola Nasredeen

Kharmagas!

by Mola Nasredeen on

At the end of the day, the Israelies and their supporters have to live among other human beings who are residing in the Middle East and elsewhere (no matter how many villages, towns, cities, they burn and occupy).

Their rootless/heartless actions against others will not bear them a peacefull fruit to be enjoyed by them in the future.


marhoum Kharmagas

Include Morgh-e jangi's request too (to Mola)

by marhoum Kharmagas on

Jenaabe Molla, don't forget to include the following request from the Morgh-e jangi-e shahi in your list:

"Please support military action." See:

http://iranian.com/main/2010/nov/mousavi-peopl...

 


Hoshang Targol

And as far as your "masterpiece " in Iraq, take a look at this

by Hoshang Targol on

Sunni Arabs Return to Parliament but Shiite-Kurdish Ascendancy Holds: Ahmadinejad Congratulates his Candidate, al-Maliki

 

http://www.juancole.com/2010/11/sunni-arabs-return...

 


Heck of a job
, shrub!


Hoshang Targol

No, I want to have my cake, and eat it too!

by Hoshang Targol on

Is that O.K. with you?

Why does everything with you has to be reduced to this obtuse binary either, or?

Either I support shrub, or Sadam, either I supposrt Shah or Khomeini?

How about: SCREW  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM FORM A TO Z.

I've probably spent more years exposing "communist monarchies" like N.Korea and such, than you have been on this earth, so don't make me laugh  and puke at the same time.

What you need to do is to stop this infantile knee jerk reactive responses, and above all be man enough to admit to your mistakes, that's all, cheers

 

P.S. And, don't you ever forget, WE in middle-east practically created human civilization ( from writing, to farming, industry, ..) current destabilization in our region is only a temporarily detour.

WE SHALL OVERCOME INTERNAL REACTION AND EXTERNAL INTERVENTION.


bushtheliberator

R U nostalgic for Iraq's Good Old Days ?

by bushtheliberator on

Mr. Targol.

If Iraq's current mess makes you long for Iraq's Golden Era of Saddam Hussain's rule. then you might consider moving to North Korea.Great Leader, Kim, keeps the streets clean, AND if you need a fresh liver,or kidney,Kim's prisons are having a sale !

Bon Voyage !


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Mola

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

That is not my conclusion. Here is mine:

1) We don't care about Israel one way or another. I do not think is is an Iranian issue. No matter if IRI is good or bad. The issue is that we have a lot of problems in Iran. Our energy should be directed at that not at some alien foreign war. People are selling body parts to survive and you talk about Palestine! Reality is that IRI is *using* Israel as a way to divert people and their attention from real problems. So if IRI was not bad then we probably would not have so many propagandists obsessing it.

2) The same as 1

3) There is no uniform feeling on NIAC. Good people hold differing positions.


Hoshang Targol

Bushy: speaking of nonsense, your alter-ego "shrub.jr"

by Hoshang Targol on

had the guts to admit his mistakes in Iraq ( read the book yet?) how about you.

"...democratic,transparent, ... Iraq"

Baghdad one of the most cosmopolitan cities in mideast is now an ethnically cleansed, sectarain hell hole, yet after 9 years. The entire south of the country is sharia land , Shia sharia rules from calssrooms to bedrooms, and every other social space in between, the north a "play ground" for Turkish army and PKK. What are you smoking?

Just in case you don't get it: whose the most infleuntial foreigner in Iraq? 

Hint: not the US ambassador. His last name is Solaymani and his organization 's name starts with Q ( like our own Q in here!)


Mola Nasredeen

جنگ هفتادو ملت همه را عذر بنه -- چو ندیدند حقیقت در افسانه زدند

Mola Nasredeen


So this is the conclusion:

1. Because IRI is very bad and evil then it's OK for Israel to occupy other peoples' land.

2. Iranians and their government must shut up and not criticise Israel for initiating wars and destruction in Middle East because it may make Israel or United States angree.

3. You can use any derogatory term against muslims but not against jews.

4. All the people and organizations who stand for peace and friendship between Iran and United States are fanatic pro IRI individuals and organizations.

Yes Masta!


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Artificial Intelligence

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

I  agree with you that not all NIAC haters are Iran war supporters. Many NIAC haters are true Iranian patriots even though I may disagree with their politics.  I was only limiting the NIAC haters on this particular blog who all happen to be Iran war supporters.

 

 

still not good enough AI.


bushtheliberator

Simorgh5555. speaking of nonsense,"neo-cons" & Iraq's oil.

by bushtheliberator on

It NEVER made any sense that the liberation of Iraq would allow  the US, : neo-cons .Dick Cheney, or US companies to ' get their hands on" Iraq's oil.

" No blood for oil" was just Left-wing slander, and quite predictably.a democratic,transparent, and intensely oil-nationalistic Iraq is offering its many foreign oil investors the SKINNIEST DEALS EVER SEEN IN THE OIL INDUSTRY.

 Are an extra 30,000 US troops part of Obama's plans to " get his hands on " the Afghans' livestock riches ?

" No blood for Goats ! "


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Artificial Intelligence

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Thank you for clearing this up. I agree with you 100%. I say this as a member of NIAC who has been wrestling with my conscience regarding just these issues you mentioned. They do bother me a lot.

It really does get difficult sometimes but so far I have decided this way. I may well choose to stop supporting them in the future. Many of their actions go against my beliefs. I really believe that regardless of NIAC we need to politically organize.

 


Simorgh5555

Thank you AI

by Simorgh5555 on

The most dagerous thing is to be blinded by ideology of any kind. This is why I think Fred's post about role reversal is important. It should apply to all us, Iranians, Arabs, Americans, Israelis or Europeans.


Artificial Intelligence

Dear VPK

by Artificial Intelligence on

I agree with you that not all NIAC supporters are anti semites. Many NIAC supporters are true Iranian patriots even though I may disagree with their politics.  I was only limiting the anti semties on this particular blog who all happen to be NIAC supporters.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Artificial Intelligence

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I do not think it is fair to mix NIAC supporters and anti-Semitism. Please you are drawing general conclusions which do not follow. There may be NIAC supporters who are also anti-Semites but not all of them. Just to be clear I am not here to apologize for NIAC or its stances. In fact I have criticized Reza Aslan on many occasions. He is an Islamist apologist and makes me sick. But not all NIAC supporters are Islamists such as Reza Aslan. 

The rest of  your post makes plenty of sense. The obsession with Zionism among some Iranians *is* often a poorly hidden excuse for anti-Semitism.

In addition Nasrollah works for the IRI and is their dog. He better be careful how he barks or he may not get his bone. 

I wonder what is gonna happen to Hizbolah once Islamist Republic goes. 


Artificial Intelligence

Dear Simorgh

by Artificial Intelligence on

Great observations. Many Anti Semite NIAC supporters here are in denial of facts. Some, as you see from below, are professional twisters of truth and spew outright lies.

Many have conveniently forgotten that IRI actually created Hizbollah. Nasrallah has on many occasions said that his leader is the Velayat Faqi in the IRI.  Did you see the Latest Nasrallah insult to Iranians? Telling us there is no Persian culture and that Khamenei is an Arab? 

The crazy obsession of some Iranians you talk about below  with regards to Israel comes largely, I believe, from jealousy of organized jewish influence in America. They can not compete so they resort to anti semitisim cloaked under the veil of "Anti Zionism". They all claim that they are not anti Jewish and that they are "Anti Zionist". This is pure bullshit and incidentally the same argument that Ahmadinejad, the Holocaust denier argues.

Thanks again for your great observations and for exposing the hypocrite IRI apologist who incidentally all happen to be NIAC supporters:)))) 

 

 

 


Simorgh5555

VPK

by Simorgh5555 on

Very true, my friend, Iran just Iran. Believe me we have enough problems to worry about instead of policing the world.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Simorgh Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Mola is confusing Islam and Iran once again. Hard core Muslims have this idea of a universal brotherhood. They just assume that: all Iranians are Muslims; all Muslims feel that way. Neither of them is true. 

I don't think more than half Iranians are even really Muslim. Their brand of Islam is that they were born into it and that is all. 

Plus many real Muslims Iranians do not feel this way. It is tough to feel brothers with guys who were shooting at you or your family 20 years ago. 

Muslims who do feel like Mola may as well not be Iranian. To them Iran is a continent tool for advancing an Islamic agenda. Khomeini pretty much said it himself: 

We do not worship Iran. We worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/11/exalting-khomei...

This is the kind of people we are dealing with here. No regard for Iran nor us. Just Islam. There is nothing Iranian in their hearts.


Onlyiran

Mola- what happened to our comments?!!

by Onlyiran on

Why were they deleted?  I didn't see anything offensive in your or my comments.  Are they deleting them because of little jabs?  Doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I don't have a problem about anything that you say about Israel.  I don't think that Iran (or any other country) for that matter should even have diplomatic or trade relations with Israel until it ends its occupation and its apartheid.  In fact, I am in favor of a South African style boycott of Israel.  I am also sick and tired of the enormous influence of AIPAC and other Jewish lobby organizations on U.S. foreign and domestic policies.   

The question still remains (and the point of this blog is) why should Iran, out of all other countries in the world, be at the verge of war with Israel?  That is what does not make sense, and that is what no one has yet provided an answer for. 


Simorgh5555

Molla Nasradeen

by Simorgh5555 on

Forgive me for asking, are you even Iranian?

You mentioned that the Iranian support for Palestinians is the same as the  African Amercians solidarity with South African blacks during Apartheid. 

Palestinains are not my brothers. Palestinians and Iranians do not share the same ethnicity, shared culture, language or history. They are not even the same brach of Islam as Iranians. If you share an affinity with them then my only conclusion is that you are not Iranian. 

The Al-Asqa mosque is a holy site in Islam, you claim. Please refer where this mosque is mentioned in the Koran. Can you please tell me where Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran? I'll give you a clue: It isn't. 

As you say two wrongs do not make a right. Does the injustice suffered by the Palestinians at the hand of the Israelis justify your blatant ignorance of the plight of the Sudanese? As a Muslim do you ignore the death of 100,000 Sudanese who have been killed as direct consequence of the Bashir's government Arabisation drive in the region? Are you not ashamed of the Islamic Republic government for giving unconditional support to Bashir for what the UN, Amnesty and Human Rgihts Watch are calling a genocide? When you single out Israel only for criticism questions surround you as to whether you are a humanitarian, 'Muslim' or just another anti-semite. As a Muslim why don't you take one weekend to stand outside the Sudanese embassy and protest their genocide out of the 52 weeks in a year  you stand outside the Israeli embassy. 

Are African Muslims any less important than Palestinians? As a Muslim are not all people in the nation of Islam all equal? Or does it come to your anti-Jewish streak? 

Criticising Israel's policies in the West Bank and Gaza is perfectly legitimate (its actions in Gaza and Lebanon have been deplorable) but when you question its existance and the right for Jews to live in their historical land that makes you a Jew hater. Question why you accept America and that you make a distinction when it comes to its international policies and its people? Question why there was never a Palestinian liberation movement when it was occupied by the Ottomans, Jordan or the British before Israel? You don't. Why? Becuase it is the hostility towards Jews which is in you. I am afraid that until you do some critical self-examination you will never be a balanced, fair or rational individual to be taken seriously in a healthy debate. 

 


comrade

For the sake of being technically(not politically!) correct...

by comrade on

And on the subject of Zionism being equal to racism according to UN. One might as well scroll down to see the voting record.

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Mola

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Let us say everything you say is true. Still how does it advance Iranian interests to pick a fight with Israel.  Facts:

  • Islamic Republic's outspoken positions on Israel are *helping* hawks. It *gives* them the excuse they want to start a war. Isn't war something you want to avoid?
  • Palestinians in large numbers sided with Saddam. That shows lack of appreciation of Iranian friendship. Why should we put our neck on the line for them. Fine vote their way at the UN; send them some charity but don't risk a war for them!!

If Iranian leaders really want influence they should shut up. Then quietly build power and influence networks.


Mola Nasredeen

Two wrongs don't make right

by Mola Nasredeen on

Facts:

1. Israel and Zionism is declared by United Nations as a racist ideology and country.

2. Israeli leaders are afraid to travel freely, afraid of being arrested for war crimes.

3. Israel is manipulating the political process in the United to start a new war against Iran.

4. Iranians are entitled to voice their anger against Israel and help the victims, like any other country in the world. Freedom of speech right?

5. Even Shah of Iran was complaining about Israel because they want to be the sole super power in the Middle East.

6. Just today it was announced:

"Last week, Netanyahu met with U.S. officials in an effort to break the impasse (not building more settlements on Palestinian land for 45 days) in exchange for a White House pledge to ask Congress to sell Israel 20 stealth fighter jets for $3 billion." The audacity, really.

They have occupied somebody else's land and want 3 billion dollars worth of fighter jets to stop building on those land for only 45 days, the audacity really.

7. We as American tax payers are sick and tired for paying the price for the Israel's occupation of other peoples' land. 

8. So stop all these 'naneh man gharibam' nonsense.  

 


Hoshang Targol

DN! Israel War Criminal Netanyahu Fingered by Jewish Voice for

by Hoshang Targol on

Jewish Voice for Peace.

 

From Democracy Now.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_tST-dPWeg&feature...


Simorgh5555

Quintessential nonsense!

by Simorgh5555 on

These poor Islamists toiling away industriously weaving one Jewish conspiracy after another in the cesspit which is their brain.

Israel is not the only recipient of American aid and you forget countries like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait who are arch enemies of the Jewish state are also receiving loans and grants in the tune of billions of dollars each year. If the Israeli lobby was so successful then it would use its allegedly vast influence to put a stop to it. The Americans would cappture the oil fields and stick in a Karzai type petty king to run the country and keep the oil coming in to the USA and its allies. Israel is only too  happy to allow for other regional powers to exist. It has no bone to pick with Turkey or when Iran was the super power of the Middle East under the Shah. The Turks seem to get on with Israel so why can't we? 

The US is the number one arms seller in the world in the tune of billions of dollars annually and although the arms trade is a terrible thing it is not at the behest or creation of Israel. This is just your anti-semetic leanings dictating to you what to say. 

Although neo-cons in America did play a major role in pushing for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, it served primarily the benefit of Ceney, Halliburton and for the US companies to get its hands on the largest oil reserve in the world. In your imagination you depict an "Elders of Zion" situation where Jews surrounded Bush and pushed for the war. This cloack and dagger stuff is far removed from reality and in the geopolitical world we live in today. A convenient conspiracy but not very convicning. 

Netanyahu may be an extremist in Israeli politics but Israel has made genuine concessions in return for recognition and neutrality. The current Palestinian administration is trying to obtain very same terms of the Oslo agreement which Arafat turned down but it has been unable to? Whose fault is that? This is evident in Jordan and Eyypt. It is in the interest of Israel to make peace with its regional Arab neighbours so that it can concentrate on the terrorists in Iran. 

You actually pay Israel a compliment by making it appear as it is infallible when the wave of suicide  bombers and rocket attacks actually prove it is vulnerable. The Islamic Republic has proven over and above any other Mulsim or Arab country to make hostile statememts, having the nerve to question the truth of the holocaust and asking for its destruction. Yes - Marg bar Israel means exactly that. These direct and hateful comments have been ratcheted up by Ahmadinejad more than any other terrorist President in the Islamic  Republic. Any observer going to South Lebanon will tell you that every thing provided to Hezbollah from arms, money and poltical support is by the Islamic Republic and is more than any Arab country has ever done. You, Sir, are just a moutpiece of the ISlamic Republic because you are aware of the proxy war the IR is fighting against Israel albeit to help the Palestinian/Lebanese liberation movement but it is not a war that concerns Iran. If anythign the Islamic Republic terrorists deserve an medal for honoury Arab and doing far more to in their anti-Israeli enterprise more than Syria and the Saudis put together. 

I agree that the Islamic Republic is no match for Israel but it won't stop the terrorists in Tehran trying. This is the mentality of the suicide bomber: He doesn't care if he sacrifices his own life in the process and condemn his family to a life of misery after his death, the price is worh paying even if it means hurting the enemy in a small part. If the Islamic Republic has fought a successful proxy war against Israel in the last 30 years then what makes you think that if it obtained Nukes it won't use them on Israel? And that is exacly what Rafsanjani had said in 1987. If the terrorists in Tehran obtain a nuclear weapon then it means the IRANIAN liberation movement has failed. The freedom seeking Iranians and not even the bogus reformists or Greens in Iran would ever dare challenge the power of the Sepah establishemnt with a large nuclear arsenal behind it. If these terrorists become nuclear then Israel will actually be the least of my concerns. It is Iran that matters. 

So what makes you an ant-semite? Because you are a fake humanitarian just the same way as your idol Mousavi is a fake democrat promising change in a corrupt Islamist system.  There is no genocide in Saudi at the moment and the humanitarian crisis is not as bad as it is in Darfur. If you were so concerned about genocide you would just once.... just once....make a reference to Sudan. I have not read a single post by you even mentioning the name of the country before today. This is despite the fact the plight of the indiginous people is on a scale greater than Palestine. Is it too much to ask of you? 

You know why you don't? Because you are and always have been reading from the same hymn sheet (or Koranic verse) as the Islamic Republic. Shame on you. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Marhoum Kharmagas

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

What I mean is that the issue of Arabs and Israel is BS to Iran. It should not our main issue. I said before: put our own house in order.

Radical right wing Israelis do make this into a threat. Because they want to milk the USA for more money and hardware. They are also paranoid and want Israel to be the only power in the region. Islamic Republic is giving them the "excuse" to do so.

This is what I think:

  • The Palestinian issue is not Iran's problem.
  • The Israel thing is getting in the way of solving important problems.
  • Iran is not a threat to Israel in military form.
  • There is no chance that Iran will attack Israel directly unless attacked first.
  • Islamic Republic  does export ideology which is threatening to Israel.
  • Islamic Republic supports groups which are a pain to Israel.

There are Iranians who hope  USA or Isreal will attack Iran and remove the Mollahs. This is wishful thinking but does explain some of their obsession with Israel.

BTW, .., as far as I am concerned Iran should directly negotiate with Israel, while puttingdeterrence in place.

I agree. It is best to be open; discuss interests and reach an agreement. 


marhoum Kharmagas

Israel thing is BS! (to VPK)

by marhoum Kharmagas on

VPK jaan, if this Israel thing is BS, why the warmonger faction of Monarchists (e.g., Morghi), the ultra right wing fascists (e.g., Fred), professional opportunists (e.g.,  AIPACzadeh's "JM") ..., are so much aligning themselves with Israelis, and AIPAC?

BTW, .., as far as I am concerned Iran should directly negotiate with Israel, while putting deterrence in place.


G. Rahmanian

Q

by G. Rahmanian on

What is YOUR business with the Arabs? THAT is the question. Or better yet, what has the Arab question got to do with Iranians? If you are a man and not an IR attack dog, answer these questions without beating about the bush!!!AND stop lying a out which countries are helping Palestinians, because you are not sure.


Hoshang Targol

Q listen to VPK: first put your house in order,

by Hoshang Targol on

then start worrying about the world.

And as far as Israel being a credible threat to Iran, now here the horse stuff is coming out of you. Isreal lacks strategical depth, any moron with a barrage of missiles could wreak havoc in there, and if we know about this, so does eveyones else. Don't fool yourself.

What did you think about when IR brought in Emad Moghanieh, from Lebanon, to torture and intterogate Iranian Arbas in Khuzistan, only because they were seeking some cultural rights. Not seperation from Iran, not even asking for some of the oil money that comes right out of their province ( Khuzistan produces at least 80% of national income, yet it's one of the most under-developed provinces in Iran. All this solidarity with Palestinians,(which is fine, we should help all oppressed communities) and not a word on Iranian Arabs, Bahahis, Baluchis, Kurds,...

Belive it or not we have some of the most repressed communities in Iran. Focus!

Charity begins at home. 


Hoshang Targol

Q listen to VPK: first put your house in order,

by Hoshang Targol on

then start worrying about the world.

And as far as Israel being a credible threat to Iran, now here the horse stuff is coming out of you. Isreal lacks strategical depth, any moron with a barrage of missiles could wreak havoc in there, and if we know about this, so does eveyones else. Don't fool yourself.

What did you think about when IR brought in Emad Moghanieh, from Lebanon, to torture and intterogate Iranian Arbas in Khuzistan, only because they were seeking some cultural rights. Not seperation from Iran, not even asking for some of the oil money that comes right out of their province ( Khuzistan produces at least 80% of national income, yet it's one of the most under-developed provinces in Iran. All this solidarity with Palestinians,(which is fine, we should help all oppressed communities) and not a word on Iranian Arabs, Bahahis, Baluchis, Kurds,...

Belive it or not we have some of the most repressed communities in Iran. Focus!

Charity begins at home. 


G. Rahmanian

To The Zionist Groupies/Cheerleaders:

by G. Rahmanian on

I would like to add a few more points to those that "brother" Mola wrote. I know he has deleted his and seems to have disappeared, I post mine, anyway.4. The Iranian nation paid for Yasser Arafat's round trip ticket to Iraq during Iran-Iraq war, so he could go there and hug and kiss his brother, Saddam and then visit the front to fire guns against Iranian forces.5. The Iranian nation has helped Palestinians fight against Zionists, buildschools, hospitals, roads, etc. If they have killed each other(more than 7,000) it is not the guns we gave them that kill. Just go ask THEM why. I'm not your secretary.6. The Iranian nation will sacrifice everything to help their brothers and sisters in other parts of the world. They don't care about schools, hospitas, roads or bridges. If you saw the video of the those young Lori women who had lost thei finger crossing a river you could see in their faces how proud they were of their own sacrifices. We need more Iranians like them.7. If you think Iranians need help, why don't you go to Iran and help them. I can't go because I am here in the US to help my Black brothers and sisters. AND save them from the Great Satan!!!What is YOUR excuse? You good-for-nothing Zionist-lovers!8. You are so anti-Iranian that you didn't even mention them in your questions. You only talked about Chechnya, Sudan, etc., but not Iran. You didn't think of Iran, did you?If you need more lame and self-defeating excuses, let me know. I can think of tons of them!!!