Some folks on Iranian.com just don't get it!

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Disenchanted
by Disenchanted
29-Sep-2011
 

This was originally a comment in response to Roosbeh_Gilani blog but I decided to make a blog out of it as this is an issue that surfaces on IC often and I don't think is going to go away anytime soon. Here it is addressed to Roosbeh and his comrades: 

Funny thing is you complain of obsession with Arab-Israel issue on IC and first thing you do after coming back from vacation/exile write yet another blog on it (Roosbeh was banned from IC for a week or so for reasons unkown to me)! I was hoping you'd use your sabbatical and learn about the subject a bit! :-)

        In case you missed the UN meeting last week, obsession with Israel occupying Palestinian lands is way beyond IC domain. The whole world is obsessed with it! I wonder if you question such a claim.

      Would you please tell me why Erdogan of Turkey is obsessed with that? Why president of Brazil in her commencement speech at UN last week expressed her sorrow that she cannot welcome Palestine as an independent state to UN? Are these people hypocrite as you call rest of us?! Now you have to answer these questions before writing another blog or another comment expressing disappointment over Palestine issue not going away!

       Hillary Clinton recently was saying she is facing a different world when she travels around the world nowadays compare to when she was traveling as the first lady. She was saying nowadays even at places far from Middle East politicians are telling her to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict! No one asks her about Tibet or Chechnya! You must wonder why?! The Human/Islam/Arab/Palestine conflict with Israel has the most potential for blowing up in a regional or nuclear war. But what is a blogger on IC to know?!

        In case you missed it this is a conflict that not only has territorial element in it, it has also a strong religious component. It's a battle over holy land as both sides of the conflict believe it to be. Also Israel regularly and with total impunity attacks and kills citizens of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iran and recently even Turkey! Lebanon war of 2006, Attacking Syrian Nuke facilities in 2009(?), Killing Egyptian border guards (2011), Killing Turkish citizens on sea (2010), Killing Iranian scientists (2009, 2011) and of course killing Palestinians on a daily basis!

        I guess world knows something our political analysts in IC are clueless about despite the fact that they ascribe that -being clueless- to others!

       Now let me give you another angle of this Israel issue! Opposing Israeli aggression and occupation is in human nature. We all abhor oppression and injustice. We all admire anyone who stands up for justice and truth. Iranian people like many other nations are sick and tired of decades of Israeli aggression and violation of human rights and UN resolutions. That means when IRI opposes Israel it gains legitimacy among Iranians! Now Iranian people are not just those PUNKs who have underground parties, drinking and dancing and watching satellite shows. Most of the Iranian people are religious. Because of that they abhor Israel (That was the case even when Shah was in power). So Israel pillage of palestinians' rights and IRI opposition to it brings legitimacy to IRI. That is a fact and if you deny it its because of ignorance or bias. Same is true about MEK (another subject you complain about). MEK is despised by 99% of Iranian people. IRI gains legitimacy by opposing those traitors.

     That is why people who are longing for freedom and democracy in Iran have to add their voice to the international cry for justice in the Palestine issue. It is not only our obligation as a human being but in the long run it benefits the democracy movement in the whole region. 


     Bottom line is this issue is way beyond just an obsession by Iranians and is not going to go away so you may as well get used to it!

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your level. You want me to use profanity on you! But I will not give you the pleasure!


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VPK jan, Yaroo clearly has used a language of violance...

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       Please read his blog when he says to all his opponents to go to Israel border so Israeli soldiers can give it to them!

        This blog was running civilized till these Joojeha showed up!


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the rest of us advocate and condone that!


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OON Yaroo yea it did have a "Rape" threat in it

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           Admin, could you please send this repeat offender to garbage collection. He has threatend everyone on his opposite side with a rape by Israeli soldiers.

        "Go to Israeli border so the soldiers give it to you". Could someone please interpret that. I told you, freedom seeker today and thug tomorrow.


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".....threatening others with physical violence!"

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Where did that come from? Whom did I threaten with physical violence? FYI, I am NOT an element of Hezbollah!


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Gentlemen and women

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Please! Let us not get too far off into the personal thing. We all suck! 


Disenchanted

Khodeti بی‌ وطن خارجی‌ پرست khers!

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       You call me بی‌ وطن خارجی‌ پرست

while you are most likely a disguised member, follower of MEK. For a follower of an organization that has a long track record of treason it is curious to attack others with that insult! Shame on you and tone it down. Keep it in your...


Oon Yaroo

"It" did NOT have a sexual connotation,.....!

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1) "It" did NOT have a sexual connotation, heterosexual nor homosexual! Where is your mind?

2) By getting "it" I meant go and fight "it=the Israeli soldier!"

3) For whatever reason you and SK misinterpreted "it" as the former (1)!

You don't believe me, I guess tough luck!


Disenchanted

My response to you is Par for the course buddy!

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        This blog was running for hours with total civility. Then you and that other beast "Khers" showed up and opened your dirty mouths. You get what you asked for bud!

          You say: "I have pledged to JJ/Admin that I would not resort to name calling, insulting, abusing, and attacking others and I will keep my promise!"

        So you are a repeat offender! That is how you keep your promise by threatening others with physical violence! You don't need set theory. Start with some ethics course!

       Why did you flag this post? "Khers" is a beast after all. par for the course! Are you becoming obsessive, compulsive flagger now?!


Oon Yaroo

It's called Set Theory NOT Calculus!

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It's called Set Theory NOT Calculus!

I have pledged to JJ/Admin that I would not resort to name calling, insulting, abusing, and attacking others and I will keep my promise!

You are wrong in everything you said there. And you are rude and inappropriate therefore I just flagged you.

Let's see if our "fair & just & unbiased" Admin follows the consistent reinforcement of deleting you!


Disenchanted

Oon Yaroo is taking freshman calculus this semester!

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          Hey Yaroo, congrats on that!  I see you have used some mathematical notation to get your message across. I am sure that impresses your aunt! ;-)

          But as your message: "I am sure Israeli soldiers can give "it" to them!"! That is disgusting. That should make your aunt ashamed of you. Does she live in Tel Aviv?! 

         You bring Israeli thugs to a civil discussion and unfortunately get away with that crap with the site admin?!

         I bet you are screaming for freedom and democracy in your other posts! Shame on you.

          I tell you what, it is the likes of you who are responsible for Iranian's grief. Yes you. Freedom seekers of today and thugs of tomorrow! As much as freedom seekers of yesterday are thugs today.

          You can express your apology in another post and I'll forgive your lapse in judgment!


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" Iranian (pro-Palestinian) can get it! By taking a trip to the Israeli border! I am sure Israeli soldiers can give "it" to them!  by Oon Yaroo on  

 Thank you but there is really no need for anyone of us to go to any borders to be screwed by Israelis ...  They have AIPAC to keep up with their screwing business.  

Israel has already screwed all the members of Congress ...

It has screwed the president of the United states  

It has screwed the people of the United states

It has screwed the entire  U.N ...

and it has the MEK to do its screwing business inside Iran 

 on top of that we have mullas in iran who are screwing the entire nation ... I call this double screw 

NOW, how I wish I could send the mullas and the BIbI gang up to the space or somewhere to screw each other instead and let the world live in peace and harmony...

PS:  dear BiBi and dear mullas I am sorry if i have offended any of you feel free to flag me  

May we all be granted the wisdom to see that mullas and BIbi's gang are two sides of the same coin and one can not fight one without fighting the other.  No matter if we like it or not ......


Oon Yaroo

I am just wondering who edited/cleaned up/sanitized...

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I am just wondering who edited/cleaned up/sanitized the post right below!?

It was abusive towards me!

If it was done by the Editor/Admin, much kudos to him/her!!!!!!!

If the author did it after I flagged it, then it must say a lot about people who "AaBb NeMeBeeNand Valli ShennA Gar'e Khoobi Hastand!"

Translation, they don't find the opportunity otherwise they can be good abusers!


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Thanks Bavafa jaan. what is one to do with these beasts?

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       Looks like Netanyahu buddys who were scared of the daylight are coming out of wood work in last hour or so!


Oon Yaroo

∃ 1 way : Iranian (pro-Palestinian) can get it!

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By taking a trip to the Israeli border! I am sure Israeli soldiers can give "it" to them!

Notation:

∃ = There exists.

: = Such that.


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Dear Disenchanted: Love your sense of humor...

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Each and every time

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

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Felestin is definitely not worth "jer dadan"

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There are already about 20 or so Arab states, and every one of them is either dysfunctional, unproductive, despotic or all of the above. The last thing the world needs is one more lousy Arab state (and it stretches credibility to think that Number 21 would be substantially different than the first 20). Felestin is one of the least worthy "cause celebres" in the world, and especially for Iranians since the enemies of Israel (Arab nationalism and Islamism) are also the enemies of Iran. This is NOT a cause that deserves the support of Iranians. Its most vocal backers with Iran are the Khomeinist murderers and rapists who have brought Iran to its current lousy state.


Amir Sahameddin Ghiassi

تا وقتی که ما باهم متحد نباشیم وضع همین است که هست

Amir Sahameddin Ghiassi


اگر داستان جلال و ناصر و سا سان را بخوانید 

 

تا وقتی که با هم متحد نباشیم و دوستدار هم نباشیم وضع همین هست که است؟   تا مادامیکه ما حسود  خود پرست  تک رو  غیر اجتماعی پول پرست هستیم و به دوستی و محبت نگاه نمی کنیم و کسی که بما خدمت میکند ابله اش می خوانیم و کسی که دست ما را میگیرد زندگی اش را سیاه میکنیم  و حامل تعصب های کور هستیم و خودمان دینمان و فکرمان را برتر و بالاتر از همه میدانیم و حاضر نیستیم که به طرف هم اجازه توضیح بدهیم  و زود اورا به مارک کافر  و بی دین و یا ... کنار می زنیم  و همه چیز را تنها برای خودمان میخواهیم و به هم و به افکار هم احترام نمی گذاریم و برای مسخره کردن  دست انداختن هوکردن و سو استفاده کردن آماده هستیم وضع هم همین است  من در داستانهای واقعی مشگلات جوانان را نوشتم  که مایه تفرقه بیانداز و حکومت کن و یا با جهل عمومی به همه کشورهای ما مسلط میشوند  مشگل اصلی ماست ؟ 

 


Khers

هی‌ خودتون رو برای فلسطین جر بدهید!

Khers


۳۲ سال است که دهها هزار ایرانی‌ در زندانهای رژیم یا به در آویخته شدند یا گلوله باران شدند.  با کامیون جسد از زندانها بیرون می‌بردند و در گورهای بی‌ نام و نشان دفن میکردند.   ایرانیها را به طور فجیع شکنجه کردند.  هنوز در ملا عام عدم با جر ثقیل اعدام میکنند.  صدها هزار زندانی سیاسی، صدها هزار ایرانی‌ فراری به خاطر عقایدشان، جنگ، تبعیض بر ضدّ زنان ایرانی‌، خفقان کامل، تجاوز...و هزار ظلم و ستم دیگر به ایرانیان...هیچکدام از این آقایون و خانم‌هایی‌ که اینجا میبینید نه جیک زدند، نه بلاگ نوشتند...تازه هر تابستان ایران هم رفتند و چلو کبابشون رو هم میل کردند.  ولی‌ هر روز خدا میشینند داد و بیداد میکنند که اسرائیل اینه، فلسطین اینه، مرز‌های ۱۹۶۷...انگار اسرائیل ارث پدرشون رو خورده یا انگار جدّ و ابادشون از غزه آمده. یک مشت بی‌ وطن خارجی‌ پرست.  به جای بلاگ نوشتن دربارهٔ مرز‌های ۱۹۶۷ فلسطین و اسرائیل درباریه کشتارهای ۱۹۸۸ کشور خودتون بنویسد بی‌ وطن‌های خارجی‌ پرست.    


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amirparviz makes some

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degree of sense. I agree that USA is not a friend of Iran. Has not been since Jimmy Carter took over. That is where I get into disagreements with people like Amir1973. Because he is way too "pro American". I just don't trust the West regarding Iran. I do appreciate the opportunities America gave me and my family. But that does not mean I trust them regarding Iran. Plus none of it would be necessary if they had not ruined Iran in the first place.

In addition I do not think Russia is a friend. They mostly support IRI as well and are out to milk Iran. We really do not have any friends; no nation does. Our best genuine "friends" ironically are probably Turkey and Armenia. 

Regarding Democracy I think it is very overrated bordering nonsense. We saw what it did to Russia; Yugoslavia and almost destroyed China. No thanks give me Reza Khan!


Fair

"Independence"

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Amir has it totally right. True independence comes from strength, it comes from being able to provide value to the world so that others need you more than you need them.  Iran today is no more independent  (I would say it is even less so today) than it was in 1970's, for the reasons most clearly stated by Amir below.  Whenever Iran has more to offer to the world than oil, it will become more independent.  Until then we are just another third world oil subsidized dictatorship, or shall we say "oil republic", a la "banana republic".

If you want to brag about "not taking orders from anybody", that is also meaningless, even more meaningless than you claim "economic independence" to be.  Nobody takes orders from anybody these days, there is no more cold war and no satellite states.  There are only countries with their interests, and how well they are able to pursue those interests - depending on the strength of their position.  As Amir said, Iran does not come from a position of strength.  It took 8 years for it to merely not lose territory to Iraq and Arabs.  And it gave up a significant chunk of the oil and resource rich Caspian Sea without even one shot being fired, and provided a convenient dumping ground for Russian and Chinese crap.  That is not a position of strength nor independence.

Now I will go to the movies too:)


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Amir1973 I read a good comment today. It said

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The Tragedy is not the brutality of the Tyrants in Iran, that is expected. Tragedy is the silence of those that call themselves good and the righteous, not expected nor accepted.  America and the U.K. are just dirty when it comes to human rights and freedom.

Russia was once Irans enemy, but they fixed that during the shahs time by providing iran with Iranian steel which all western countries refused to deliver. I'm sure it is not news to you that based on actions, like bringing khomeini to power and doing everything possible to keep mullahs in power while refusing to provide iran/shah with plastic bullets, water canons and tear gas, irans historical and present enemy for the last 32 years has been the mullahs & the west lead by the USA.


Disenchanted

Comment jockeying! :-)

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       I am sure you have noticed that some bloggers try to promote their blogs by themselves commenting many times so it comes to the top. I have seen Iqbal and some others doing that at times (May be that is not theirintention but well...).

       I just figured out Erdogan post had 71 comments and if I write one more comment this blog passes that and finds a place in the coveted most commented list! (Don't you love my brutal honesty?!). :-)

       So here you have it: The 72nd comment!


Disenchanted

It doesn't cut it!

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         By independence I meant Iran is not taking orders from anyone. Rest is just noise!

        Are they dependent economically?Hell yeah. But so is everyone else. Economic independence is MEANINGLESS!

         Is Iran a basket case economically? You can make a strong case for that.

But they are not NOKAR. Sorry some folks don't like to hear that. But that's when bias comes in. If you don't like Black you can't say eggplant is not tasty just because it's black!  

       "Nothing is less common than common sense"! This is my quote. It is not Budda's or Churchill or Plato or oscar Wilde. It is mine! MINE! :_)

       I am heading to movie too like Vildemose. happy chatting fellas.


AMIR1973

IRI is "independent" (meaning a pathetic tool of Russia & China)

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I do understand the need on the part of some folks to maintain that the IRI is "independent". I really do understand. After all, the IRI is a basket case in terms of its rankings among countries in life expectancy and infant mortality (not even in the Top 100 among countries). And this despite having the 2nd largest natural gas reserves and 3rd largest oil reserves and enjoying some of the highest oil prices ever. A country with an economy (in terms of GDP) larger than South Korea throughout the 1970s now is nowhere even close to South Korea, and again ranked much lower among countries than it was in 1979 in terms of GDP per capita. A country that saw several hundred executions from 1941-1978 has experienced tens of thousands of executions since 1979 (and punishments such as stoning to death, flogging, limb chopping for "crimes" such as adultery, pornography, etc). So with little to nothing to show, then one must grasp that final straw to say that the revolution did some good, i.e. the IRI's "independence". It is so commonly grasped at that I will simply repeat my comment from a couple days ago:

It has allowed the Caspian littoral states to renegotiate the treaty that Reza Shah signed with Stalin's USSR in 1940 to give away a huge share of Iran's territorial rights to the other Caspian Sea states. It has shown itself to be an utter tool of Russia with respect to the Russian-built, junky nuclear reactor in Bushehr that has involved billions of dollars, been dragging on for over 10 years, and will produce a relatively modest amount of electricity when it finally becomes operational after all these years! It was a tool of Russia with respect to the S-300 missiles that the Russians kept stringing the IRI along for and then finally refused to sell them the missiles. And we all know that the junky aircraft that the IRI buys from Russia are Flying Coffins with some of the worst safety records in the world.

IN turn, China has found a nice dumping ground for its low quality, cheap manufactured goods (Iranian stores and bazaars are full of crappy Chinese knockoffs), which are able to outsell their inefficient and crony-prone Iranian competitors -- to the detriment of Iranian factory workers (and we have all heard about the instances of prolonged unpaid wages). China just recently announced that it was getting out of the South Pars project, which leaves more egg on the IRI's face. Some "independence" the IRI has achieved: "independence" to spout empty slogans (twice as empty for its West-residing propagandists), to take the U.S. embassy staff as hostage, fund terrorists that blow up embassies, kidnap people, and hijack planes -- but dependence when it comes to China and Iran's Number One historical enemy, i.e. Russia.


 


Disenchanted

Come on now Vildemose...

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       Don't play with words. Admit that you made a statement w/o having justification. Bottom line is Iran is not taking orders from anyone and more so gives orders to some. That is a fact.

Now, who is taking orders from them and what they do and what is their goal and are they terrorists or supermodels is a totally different subject.

       As fro the imperial role, if you ask syrians and Lebanese about it they are not happy!

 Of course Iran is far from economic independence but so is US and China. So lets pick another subject to spend the Friday afternoon chatting about it.


vildemose

 playing an imperial role

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 playing an imperial role itself in the region???Is that what you call Indepedence?? Being a terrorist bully??

I'm going to the movies but I remember we have had this conversation before with you and abarmard?? You used to be on HP a lot....what happened???  Going to the movies....

 

 

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt


Disenchanted

Vildemose?!!!!!

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        Please define the independence and tell me why you think Iran is not independent today?!

          Iran is dependent on what foreign power? Please humor me. Granted you don't like IRI and its policies and the fact that there is no democracy or freedom of speech in Iran. But independence?! may be I am missing something....

        If anything Iran is playing an imperial role itself in the region by having surrogates in places. so please be rational in your statements.

        Call a spade a spade even if you need a diamond to win the hand! Puhleaaaase! 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

If this is

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independence then I don't want it. What is independence good for when you are forced to follow 6th century version of Islam. When you hand off a crane. Give me dependence! Better a "stooge" of America than this independence! Now we all ended up in the West! So if anything we are even more under "Western" control. With the Pahlavi my kids would learn Persian now they learn English. Because I live in America. I have a daughter and will never have her in IRI.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amir

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I hope the recent posts show that I am more in line with your ideology. However not all the way specially not over the hikers. If we are to get anywhere we need to accept our differences.

We are never going to get 100% agreement. Just have to agree that is the way it is. To expect otherwise you are never going to get success. You may get 10-20 % but to get a larger number have to accept differences. Focus on what we agree on removing IRI.