Persian-American Rational Society (PARS)

Thanks to all of you for your valuable contributions

by DavidRamezani on Sun Apr 10, 2011 07:32 AM PDT

I just would like to thank everyone in here for their very valuable contributions. I learn so much from you in here. Special thanks to Ms. Soosan Khanoom, Ms. lissnup, Mr. Darius Kadivar and off course Mr. Mash Ghasem.

Any time I start a blog in here, my first objective is for us to think about the issue that is being discussed. When you make comments, it forces me to think very hard and try to understand your point of view. It is important for us to understand the other side’s pint of a view. Thinking is extremely important. Our brain is the most valuable asset we have. We must try to put it in use. Here is a link to critical thinking. Critical thinking is a skill that we should all learn in order to have a healthy and a productive discussions. We need to be constructive. We need to build our country. Our country needs us to desperately at the time when Islamic Republic is destroying this country.

Critical thinking:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Sepass,

David Ramezani

Moving beyond words

by Mash Ghasem on Sun Apr 10, 2011 01:56 AM PDT

and thank you DR for another good blog.

Couple of corrections seem to be in order; Taleghani died in summer of '79, so he wasn't around when Mujahedin turned against Khomeini and gave him the best excuse to kill everyone. Keep in mind that Rajavi repeatedly wanted to meet with Khomeini, but he  met him just once and was turned down by Ayat Shaytan.

Not all anti-Shah groups supported the illegal executions of '79. In Kurdestan all groups unanimously condemned such actions, and they were not the only ones, but at the end of the day it was a distinct minority.

As far as residents of Camp Ashraf, as Ari mentioned the best scenario would have been to have them relocated before any of this violence tookplace. With all the attention on them right now, this is the best time to urge, persuade and pressure, AI, HRW, and above all UNHCR to bring this bloody hell to a civilized conclusion.

Needless to say each one of us through their respective community(ties)  shall consider this a priority of the week, and get the message through. Cheers

Darius, there is no controversy

by Ari Siletz on Sat Apr 09, 2011 08:39 PM PDT

Pretty much every group and individual that can be reached on IC agrees that a human rights investigation is in order.

 

Perhaps we disappoint that such a large number of us is concerned for Camp Ashraf residents, and so few ignore it; it makes it harder to artificially create a controversy that failed to materialize naturally.

 

Ari Jaan What Do You Mean by "What Controversy ?" ?!?

by Darius Kadivar on Sat Apr 09, 2011 08:07 PM PDT

I am amazed and highly disappointed by what I read by some of you folks on Iranian.com whom I admire for their wit, personality and good writing and yet I cannot understand the type of confused Moral Dilemmas you seem to display be it on Libya or now in this case.

This is SLAUGHTER and CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY PERIOD !

Who is Painting a Positive image of the MKO ? They are the Unfortunate Product of YOUR WRETCHED REPUBLIC's VERY OWN WOMB :

 

REPUBLICAN OFFSPRING: Massoud Rajavi at Tehran University during Presidential Campaign (1980)

And that is even mentioned by the author DavidRamezani of this blog.

So again I really don't see the Dilemma ? Again You are very good at playing with Words my Friend ! 

 

Anything that the MKO has Done even their Treachery should be the subject of a TRIAL by an Independant Court of Justice.

NOT COLD BLOODED MURDER !

 

 

And Look who is benefiting from all this ? Those whom YOU Liberal Intellectuals Consider as the LEGITIMATE REGIME OF IRAN ? 

 

//iranian.com/main/2011/apr/iri-supports-camp-ashraf-attack

 

Baba You Folks Are Giving the Whole World to the Islamists and Enemies of America in which you yourself are residing in.

Even the First Afro American President has chosen to turn it's Back on his Own Race:  

PRECISION DRILLING: Allied Military Operations in Libya in Progress ... 

Barack Jaan So was it "Yes We Can" Or Was It Just "Hot Air"?

 

This is Truly Hallucinating to say the least ... 

In the end of the Day It's all about Bad Bad American Imperialism isn't it ? 

 

SOURCES OF FURY:Nader Naderpour on origins of IRI's "Death Slogans" towards US and Israel 

 

 

PAX AMERICANA: Hitchens VS Kondracke on Reality or Fantasy of American "Imperialism" (1991)

 

 

Reading such ambiguous comments by people I usually admire here for their humanistic views is simply preposterous ! 

 

Best,

DK 

 

 

Recommended Reading:

Signed,sealed & delivered Casting the affirmative vote for Iran in approving theUniversal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 by Fereidoun Hoveyda

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PARIS GATHERING: Shapour Bakhtiar and Soroush Katibeh memory honored in Paris (FRANCE)

CHAPOUR BAKHTIAR ON 'REGIME CHANGE' (14 khordad 1368 (5 august 1989)

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE: Man Chased by Anti Shah Protestors During Shah's US Visit (1977)

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE:Chemical Weapons Attack On Kurds (1988)

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE: First Assassination Attempt on Shapour Bakhtiar (1980)

 

Human Rights and Moral Values…

by DavidRamezani on Sat Apr 09, 2011 07:04 PM PDT

When it comes to Mujahedin, there are two groups of people in here. One believes Mujahedin is the target. These guys looking for an easy target and in this case that is Mujahedin, since these guys are small people and always look for an easy target to shoot down. These people either work for Islamic Republic or if they do not work for Islamic Republic, they are just a little people and they can not fight the big guys like Islamic Republic.

The other group of people who talk about Mujahedin are the ones who are honorable people and believe in Human Values and Morality. They believe in justice and Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and believe that every human being should be treated with dignity and respect. They believe a civilized society should be based on some Moral Standards and the Rights of Human being should be protected and respected. Unfortunately there are not that many people in this category.

David Ramezani

It's simple when..

by lissnup on Sat Apr 09, 2011 06:26 PM PDT

..someone is in trouble, in prison, or being persecuted, that's when we step in and try to help and defend them.

It's not made any easier knowing that this positive action places you side by side with lying hypocrites who spend all their free time attacking and trying to discredit you.

But it's what we must do. What choice do we have?

I think Ari said it best

by Bavafa on Sat Apr 09, 2011 06:03 PM PDT

While I condemn killing of unarmed men and women no matter where, we ought to be careful not to allow such events to be used and misused to paint any other picture of MKO then they are, a terrorist group.

Mehrdad

Hello Lissnup...

by DavidRamezani on Sat Apr 09, 2011 04:25 PM PDT

Greetings Lissnup:

Thanks for your contribution.
We Iranians should do every thing possible to protect the Human Rights of every single human being in Iran. This is extremely important that we support and respect the Human Rights for everyone and not just for some particular group of people. During the Cold War there was this attitude that Human Rights only belongs to the Palestinians and the Communists. For some reason the Iranian Leftists hijacked the Human Rights activism and branded as their own. As a result in the aftermath of the ubiquitous 1979 Islamic-Communist Revolution every single members of the Leftists Community including the very same Mujahedin that I am defending their Human Rights now and before, in Iran and outside of Iran completely ignored the Human Rights of the Monarchists who were being murdered by Ayatollah Khomeini. Not only they totally ignored the Monarchist’s Human Rights but they even went further and encouraged Khomeini to kill more Monarchists. Can you believe this?

That is why no one can trust these Leftists. That is why people runaway from these Communists and Mujahedin. On the other hand I believe Human Rights are not monopoly of any one single group or ideology. Human Rights are for every single human being. That is why I whole heartedly support the Mujahedin’s Human Rights. We should do whatever it takes to support these people and help them to get their Human Rights back. Mujahedin just like any other group like Monarchists, Communists, Nationalists, Baha’is or anyone else deserve to have their Human Rights. That is why I have so many problems with the Leftists, because I believe they are hypocrites. They do not give a damn to anybody else Human Rights except themselves.

Couple years ago when Iraqi military forces attacked Mujahedin Camp, in our rallies I publically supported their Human Rights. I was attacked by couple of people in this city.

I would like to encourage everybody to please join us in this rally and support the Human Rights for Mujahedin even if the do not support your Human Rights. Please condemn the joint military operation ordered by Khamanei-Maleki. Both Khamanei and Maleki are murderers and they are part of global terrorist network.

Human Rights are “Right” for everybody, not a “Privilege” designated for some particular group.

Shame on all those people who ignored or did not supported the Human Rights of the Monarchists during the 1979 Islamic-Communist uprising! Shame on all those Leftists who did not give a damn about the Human Rights of the Monarchists! Shame on these hypocrites!

David Ramezani

It's complicated..

by lissnup on Sat Apr 09, 2011 04:03 PM PDT

On closer inspection, the Camp Ashraf attack seems to have been engineered to coincide with Secretary Gates' visit to Iraq and the so called revelation from MKO's "former" representative in Washington, DC, about Iran manufacturing parts for nuclear reactors which FM Salehi has said today is true, common knowledge, and not exactly news.

Early reports said the residents of the camp had been throwing stones at the police to provoke an altercation for two days before reports emerged in the usual dramatic fashion.

Sec Gates was travelling with a group of journalists and had a statement, which he referred to on camera, ready when asked to comment on this "surprise" attack. I find this worth noting.

Lots of video was instantly available on YouTube, Twitter etc but Reporters without Borders are lamenting the lack of access for journalists, and reputable media outlets are saying the claims of deaths, injuries etc can not be verified and that Iraq police are denying reports of deaths.

The press reports today that US Aid is not being allowed in the camp. Yesterday it was reported that US soldiers were helping and administering first aid. Which is it?

The unprecedented speed with which this news hit social and mainstream media, and the ability of usually slow-reacting groups like Amnesty International and RSF to immediately issue statements, I find highly unusual.

I don't dispute the human rights issues of Camp Ashraf residents, only lament the impossible task of establishing whether any violence has occurred, and note these highly unusual and seemingly coincidental aspects as worthy of contemplation.

But don't worry U.S has their backs

by Soosan Khanoom on Fri Apr 08, 2011 05:25 PM PDT

On 17 March 2011, in a bi-partisan conference on Capitol Hill, titled, "Iran Rising for Freedom—U.S. Policy Prospects," former top officials of the Obama as well as Clinton and Bush administrations joined senior Members of Congress. They urged the Obama Administration to adopt a new policy in support of Iranians who are demanding change in Iran and removeIran's principal opposition, the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) from the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. They also called for the protection of Camp Ashraf, Iraq, home to the 3,400 members (including 1,000 women) of MEK.  

On the occasion of the Iranian New Year, Nowrouz, General James Jones had the following for the Iranian people: "I propose three gifts. The first one is successfully delisting the MEK, the second one ...is insuring the security of the people of Camp Ashraf and the third is to support the popular movement for freedom as expressed by Iranians both inside and outside of Iran." 

Governor Dean stated that, "The Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, (MEK) is not a terrorist group, and we need to delist them immediately. The MEK is a movement for freedom and democracy in Iran... The MEK has 3,400 brave people who believe in democracy just as firmly as those people in Benghazi, Libya as well as the people in Tahrir Square, Egypt did; hence, we cannot abandon its members in Camp Ashraf, Iraq

 

In celebration of the Iranian New Year, Representative John Lewis (D-GA), who is called "the conscience of the U.S. Congress," wished a, "Happy New Year to Iranians in Camp Ashraf and the people in Iran committed to peace and to change," and concluded: "Time is always right to do right. The time is now. Not next week, not next month, not next year, but now.". 

 

Former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey called MEK a moderate, secular and democratic political organization as well as the largest and most organized opposition group in Iran. "We must make it clear that we stand with those who stand for freedom," he said.

Mr. Roozbeh_Gilani…

by DavidRamezani on Fri Apr 08, 2011 04:55 PM PDT

Greetings Mr. Roozbeh_Gilani:

Thanks for your response sir.
Let me repeat, I said we must support the Human Rights of every single human beings regardless of their ideology or their politics. I am suggesting that we must try to make sure that the future of Iran would be in the direction of Democracy. We must be conseancious of the dictatorial groups trying to hijack the Democratic movement.

That is all I am saying!

David Ramezani

No balancing acts, no controversies, no if's, no buts....

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Apr 08, 2011 04:43 PM PDT

 From a purely humanitarian perspective, what happened in camp ashraf, was cold blooded murder of unarmed Iranian civilans by armed gangs of Iraqis,  commissioned by the terrorist states of Iran and Iraq.

This is irrespective of where you stand on MKO, it's leadership, past and present.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

To Mr. Siletz…

by DavidRamezani on Fri Apr 08, 2011 04:12 PM PDT

Greetings Mr. Siletz:

Thanks for your comment sir.
It is a tough balancing act. On one hand we must protect every human being’s Human Rights and at the same time we must be concern about the future democratic leaders of Iran. We want to have Democracy in Iran after collapse of Islamic Republic. How can we protect the Human Rights of every individual and every group whether we agree or disagree with them and also make sure that the Democratic movement is not hijacked by some dictatorial group?
It is not an easy task.

What controversy?

by Ari Siletz on Fri Apr 08, 2011 05:54 PM PDT

It seems the majority of us feel that the camp residents need human rights protection and that the problem could have been handled with non-lethal riot control methods.  I don't get the feeling that most Mujahedin adversaries outside the IRI apparatus are happy about the violence.                                  Keeping in mind how much Iranians deplore the Mujahedin for their unrestrained and indiscriminate assault on all of us just to settle scores with the IRI, the level of concern has been charitable on average.                                                      What we are reluctant to do is give the Mujahedin leaders a propaganda leverage in this tragedy which would strengthen their hand in unleashing a US war against us. It's self defense, not lack of concern for Camp Ashraf human rights violations.                                                                                                 But yes, the Iraqi government and the IRI are to be condemned in this situation.

Pfffttttttt, and yuck..........

by پندارنیک on Fri Apr 08, 2011 03:50 PM PDT

I will not reply to your next comment, if any. Revolutions can't be "created".

 

Pendar-e Neek…

by DavidRamezani on Fri Apr 08, 2011 03:29 PM PDT

Mujahedin always refer to Ayatollah Teleghani as Pedar Taleghani meaning Father Taleghani. They considered him as their father.
The 1979 Islamic-Communist revolution was created by two groups of Moslem Activists like Khomeini & Mujahedin and Communist Activists like Tudeh Party and Cherikhaye Fadai Khalgh.

David Ramezani

Pfffttttttt

by پندارنیک on Fri Apr 08, 2011 02:49 PM PDT

There was no such  thing as Taleghani being the spiritual leader of  the cult of MKO, as there was no such thing as the 1979 Islamic-Communist revolution which you try to propagate. 

I have been avoiding this issue which has been the subject of many posts, but couldn't resist the Taleghani point. I should have.

PS. What is  "ubiquitous revolution"?