COMPLAINING JOMHURYKHAH: What Have the Pahlavis EVER Done For Us ? ;0)

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COMPLAINING JOMHURYKHAH: What Have the Pahlavis EVER Done For Us ? ;0)
by Darius Kadivar
02-Jun-2011
 
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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

amirkabear4u one can answer your lack of understanding

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

But you have to figure these things out for yourself.

If there was not any OIL revenue, would pahlavis still achieve so much???????

Originally there was no revenue, they raised the prices and created it.  But IRI was the one to benefit as they receive in 1 year more than pahlavi's got in all their years combined.

AND so so much that people had too much, they decided to get rid of shah!!!!!????

People were deceived and made a big mistake and now they have less than before, Irans economy used to be 4 times larger than turkeys today it is not even 1/2 the size of turkeys.  Compared with now life was paradise especially for the poorer 50% who saw their incomes go up froman average of $100 per year to $2800 per year in 1976 before all the revolutonary movements.


Roozbeh_Gilani

Those shaholahi friends who admire China's..

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

one party corrupt political system, Should ask themselves why there is a long line of best and brightest Chinese PhD's trying to get in, live and work in the USA? Then they need to ask some of these chinese PhD's why they are here. Then they should take careful note of their tales about the absoulute social instability in China. 

Bottom line: No government, in any form and shape,  can rule without a popular mandate.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


amirkabear4u

If there was not any OIL

by amirkabear4u on

revenue, would pahlavis still achieve so much???????

AND so so much that people had too much, they decided to get rid of shah!!!!!????

Fairness and Equality in Justice


Sohrab_Ferdows

China's economic success

by Sohrab_Ferdows on

Can only be attributed to the realistic move which was inspired by Deng Xiaoping and took China in the same direction as Iran was around 50 years ago. Maoism and Chinese cultural revolution harmed China deeply and like Nikita Khrushchev who raised his voice against Stalinism, Deng dared to speak up against Mao's wrong policies and like Khrushchev, he paid the price for it too but Chinese people finally gained something out of it that they can be proud and happy about, today. Something that Iranians had 50 years ago and lost it.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Roozbeh

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

You say ...

I'd not attribute the amazing rise of China as an economic super power
to the corrupt one party system of chinese political system.

That would be a mistake, they are responsible for it.

As is Putin Responsible for moves away from democracy toward greater wealth success and freedom.

We should all be indebted to Pahlavi's too. 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Having Freedom for the First time in centuries wasn't bad

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

Wasn't perfect, but the best institution we ever had.  Here's a list of reason it is more than Nostalgia to miss the monarchy.

Monarchy Gave people the possibility to enhance their lives, 
(from poorest top top ten wealthiest nation in one generation, estimated
to be in top 4 wealthiest nations by economists by late 80's, before
the 1979 betrayal and deceit)

Monarchy Gave people the possibility to change.
(Govt Was Secular, Universities and Schools were independent of govt and
Free of cost, people were even given money, around $100 a month to
study/that was alot back then.)

Monarchy gave people the
possibility to defend their dignity and character. (Courts were an
independent institution from govt also, Shah couldn't go against the
constitution and because of this did not have absolute power, though
more power than others).  According to historians his sin was to preted
like he was a dictator, even though there was never even one record of
him being able to.

Monarchy gave people the ability to create
Value and appreciate their work. (Iranians not only became
industrialized, but had the ability to industrialize any other country
(before all the top management escaped to germany and the USA in 1979) 
Today iranians hold positions of professor at the most prestigous
institutions in the world, from harvard to stanford to Nasa and have
world renouned artists.) 

Monarchy Gave people the ability to
choose. (the real choices Iranians had during the 1970's was among the
highest in the world, I mean choices with out manipulation, deceit,
coercion and marketing, real choices for life, travel, future, career,
lifestyle etc etc... The political choices were limited, after having
lived in the USA and UK, I don't see how anyone can define political
choices as a real choice, powers say one thing and does another, they
invaded Iraq for Freedom and Democracy and Bomb Libya to protect civilians... does anyone believe this?
The West said Shah was their best friend, paid Khomeni Billions to train
militias, denied shah ability to buy plastic bullets or tear gas and
finally denied him refuge, all while their media was organizing
propaganda against him.

Monarchy gave Iranians the Ability to
Pause and Reflect (since standard of living was high, inflation low,
management excellent, people had plenty of time to reflect on their
choices or plenty of time to go get themselves deceived by listening to
the bbc or reading a western paper about tortures and brutality that
never occured and a dictatorship that was imaginary...

Live and Learn.

Monarchy Worked well in Providing Freedom to Iranians.


Darius Kadivar

Oh But they have RG Jaan ;0))

by Darius Kadivar on


Monty Python Communist Quiz sketch

 

But I do have a soft spot for you Communists after all for you share something in common with us monarchists  ...

UTOPIA :

 

might for right, right for right,justice for all

Except that we know we are imperfect:

Stephen Fry On Why Monarchy Is Imperfect Yet Should Be Preserved

 

But have proved in practice that there can be compatibility between our ideals and democracy:

How Truly Democratic And Stable Is The British Monarchy?


and not just in England ...


HISTORY FORUM: Franco's Ghost- Spain's Painful Road Towards National Reconciliation


As you may know the staunchest monarchists in Spain happen to be from the left Wing Parties. The Spanish like to call themselves Juan Carlist rather than Monarchists to express their Loyalty to the Crown.

Currently in the absence of a large concensus for the very concept of monarchism I would like to hope for  a similar shift amongst my own fellow Jomhurykhah compatriots towards Pahlavism or should I say Reza Pahlavism ( whatever that may mean) in a near future. I would have preferred seeing them all become genuine Constitutionalists but given all the Pahlavi Mania going around lately I guess I have to be content with the recurrent Fashion Victim syndrome amongst Iranians instead of mature political thought. Oh Well ... All things in due time I suppose ...


CONSTITUTIONALIST FORUM: Daryoush Homayoun Political and Journalistic life Honored in Germany



 

However I have yet to see a Communist regime which is democratic ... It may exist but has not yet come into being ...  

Maybe Cuba after Castro’s death will ... 

I'm sure my Friend Errol would concur :

 Errol Flynn in Cuba -1959


 


Roozbeh_Gilani

DK jan, you are right, but video was a mere bait :)

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

To get you to read my  comment. You see I am learning!

I just wish the Monty python team were clever enough to come up with such comments, so I'd suffice to posting a video clip only!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


Darius Kadivar

Roozbeh Jaan in case you didn't notice ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

Your Video is what was posted in the blog ...

 

But allow me to congratulate you for Your Pavlovian Response 

 

;0) 

 

"A Country that Loses it's Poetic Vision is a Country that faces death" -Saul Bellow  


Roozbeh_Gilani

I thought you might like this...

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso&feature=related

In general, the forces of history always push  human societies  forward, notwithstanding glitches here or there. To attribute these movements or lack of them to a particular ruler or political system is due to lack of understanding these forces. In other words, I'd not attribute the amazing rise of China as an economic super power to the corrupt one party system of chinese political system.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."