Sex for Promotion

Sex for Promotion
by capt_ayhab
09-Apr-2009
 

According to a recent Spherion/Harris Interactive survey of 1,500 employees, 40 percent have contemplated an office affair, while another 40 percent have actually acted on the impulse

Prostitution is defined as the act of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for money or goods.

Promotion is the advancement of an employee's or position in an organizational hierarchy system.

My question for discussion:

If one sleeps with his/her superior in order to get promoted, has sex in exchange for hefty purchase order, what are the implications of  such acts in the frame work of definitions provided above?

Please discuss.

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persian westender

Natalia

by persian westender on

Are you trying to say that getting promotion in exchange of sex should be considered as ‘sexual harassment’?

 


Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez

Persian Westender

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on

According to Webster's Dictionary:

Sexual Harrassment is defined as "uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical behavior of a sexual nature especially by a person in authority toward a subordinate (as an employee or student) ."

Cannot this unwanted flirtation or sexual enticement be seen as harrassment regardless of the gender or job title of the one being imposed upon.

At my place of employment we had a workshop on this subject.

 

 

 


Ari Siletz

persian westender

by Ari Siletz on

Yep! The Clinton/Lewinsky affair--though it didn't strictly involve a promotion--is an example of a leader messing up. Why wasn't Bill Clinton "fired?" Because he had other strong merits to outweigh the discredit. In firing the lower rung person the assumption is that the higher ranking person is valuable in other meritorious respects.

persian westender

In this situation, I would

by persian westender on

In this situation, I would say that the discredit of the higher-ranking person outweigh the “merit” of the subordinate.  A higher ranking person, presumably should’ve more responsibility and self-knowledge alongside leadership skills. This is in fact the reflection of "something is wrong" in the organization as a whole. 

 


persian westender

Natalia

by persian westender on

Could you please clarify what you mean about sexual harrassment here?

 


Ari Siletz

persian westender

by Ari Siletz on

OK, but in my company the seducer would also have to have strong officialy written merits. As a tie breaker, the idea isn't unrealistic. Also keep in mind that promoting an unqualified person isn't doing him/her any favors. He/she would be very stressed out not knowing which end is up, his/her leadership always questioned by subordinates. 

persian westender

Ari

by persian westender on

I get your point. but all the merrits are not officially written on the paper! taking opportunity to take advantage of a 'weak' but high ranking person, could be one! 

 


Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez

While we are at it.......

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on

How about discussing Sexual Harrassment?


persian westender

one more thing...

by persian westender on

Captain! the statistics provided here is unclear.how many men and how many women, and in which workplace? I am not picky about numbers, but in a workplace where all  the staff are men, this situation (having sex for promotion) may not be applied unless staff are gay.

 


Ari Siletz

perisan westender

by Ari Siletz on

I'm willing to consider seductiveness a merit, but to stay profitable management would have to convince other employees of the concept.

persian westender

If someone invites his/her

by persian westender on

If someone invites his/her boss for a dinner to get the same benefits, how would you rate it as an immoral act? Is it something immoral to the same extent? or there's something in the concept of sexual relationship or an affair, which makes it as more immoral?!
Ari, success in seducing a higher rank person, to reach your goal still could be interpreted as a merrit.

 


Ari Siletz

capt_ayhab

by Ari Siletz on

Promoting someone for reasons other than merit hurts morale in a company, affecting profitability. As you may know, hidden policies in some corporations regarding office affairs is to fire the person lower on the rung.

David ET

Capt

by David ET on

 I think one can expand that to men also and say :"many men, particularly younger men are attracted to men and women of powerful positions both monetary and otherwise." (not necessarily relationship, work, politics , friendship etc)

It is natural that people tend to be attracted toward others in position power in all aspects of life including relationships.

In fact power and positions can be used as one of the gauges to measure one's capabilities and from the hunter and gatherer days females were naturally attracted to better "providers" who could protect them and their children. This is especially more applicable to some women from poor or developing countries such as Iran.

The real question is what the true intention of some are and what they are willing to give or give up in order to obtain part of that power...

I must say what I have seen has not been encouraging, Iranians included. 

In more advanced societies this is also the side effect of the monetary, consumerism and commercialism value system that the societies hold. 

Just watch the advertisings, many music videos and TV shows including the Hollywood scenes, you can see why. 

I have lived as a bachelor in LA , Hollywood and alike, trust me I know !!  With some, its the car that you drive and the mark that is on your jacket and sunglasses that counts here!

...and let me clarify something BOTH sexes are guilty, each their own way!

I once wrote an article on "women's lib" discussing this in more detail but is not on internet


anonymous fish

why you axin' him?

by anonymous fish on

he's not a woman...:-)

as a woman, let me tell you how i feel.  i agree and i'd go further and say that virtually all women, young and old, are attracted to power.  money, yes of course, that's always nice too.  power in the sense of self-confidence and assurance.  power as in self-belief.  not power to wield OVER someone else but power recognized for what it is.  the ability to do anything you want.  women dig that big time.

money.  the root of all evil.  but why is wrong to be attracted to money?  there is a big difference between being attracted to it and appreciating what it can do, and being overpowered by the sense of it.  i would never love a man because of money nor would i NOT love him for lack of it. 


capt_ayhab

David

by capt_ayhab on

I do agree, to a prostitute has more integrity than people who use their sexuality to take monetary advantage of other, i.e. for promotions and places of power.

 

-YT


capt_ayhab

David ET

by capt_ayhab on

What is your take when it comes to power. According to studies, many women, particularly younger women are attracted to men of powerful positions both monetary and otherwise.

 

-YT


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Capt Ayhab

by Fatollah (not verified) on

In the provided context, no disagreement here with you! Where I live this is not considered prostitution at all, an unethical act, perhaps! But, Capt. there is an immense difference between wanting to survive and wanting more!!

ps! I fully comprehend why you are trying to make a point! :-)


David ET

Capt

by David ET on

This behavior is not only limited to work atmosphere and actually with some the money plays the most primary role and at times only role versus other qualities in their choice of short or long term realtionships...

A prostitute is honest with herself and others about how she earns a living.


capt_ayhab

actually

by capt_ayhab on

Actually I had worked in a fast paced corp environment with real flashy titles for the longest time. 

It was a high end retail outfit in fashion industry. As far as my own position goes, I had no where else to go up the ladder, but I did have 100's women working in my various department.

Have I been propositioned by any of them, whether being female sales reps or my own employee? Yes I have. Have I been flirted [outright] by them? Yes I have. Particularly younger ladies.

But despite I personally never promoted anyone based on those propositions because I saw it unfair to everyone else.

To answer your question, no I do not consider it flirting, just because people are friendly. But the trend goes on in the work place more than we want to believe.

 

 

-YT


anonymous fish

interesting

by anonymous fish on

at first blush i would call it prostitution by definition alone.  however obviously it's not as clear cut as that.  i wouldn't deny that it goes on far more than i'm aware but fortunately i've never been in a position to test the theory.  i've worked in a male environment my entire life, usually as the only female.  i have never been propositioned or threatened and my relationship with all males from the boss down have been very friendly.  i think azizam sees it as verging on flirting and maybe by ME standards, you would too.  but i'm very comfortable with males and we share more in common than some/most females.  and with a male twin and a strong father, i've always been more comfortable. 

but i can promise you one thing.  if i was ever put in this position, i would sue until hell froze over. 

on the other hand, if you comfortable with your sexuality and a more casual sex life, what the hell.  why not.  a bonus within a bonus, so to speak.  :-)