polygamy sect in the land of free, home of brave

Jesus what r u doing here?

Jesus what r u doing here? Weren't you resurected on Easter and died again? What the heck, I'm all confused now. You still love me though...right?

If you people have not figured it out by now...

Than we have huge problems. The problem is organized religions in any form or shape. If you believe that one day I am coming back, resurrected, along with some 9 year old arab kid who into hiding, than you are a dumbass. Sorry to inform you, but you are one ignorant bastard with no logic, and by the way, do send a check to me, I will need to raise the army which will free the world. So don't come here excusing islam, or try to make it look good but attacking christianity, or judaism. They all are responsible for lots of crimes. Yes humans committ the crime, but the underlying philosophy which is outdated justifies it. The problem with these religions, incidentally, they are very same shitty source is that they are not very compatible with rational mind, science and progression.
The dumb author of this blog suggests that America is somehow like IR. One has the state apparatus at its disposal, the other was a camp of bunch of inbred fools who now have to face justice. IF you can not figure which one has the state apparatus, than you are yet a bigger moron....

Zaeefe...

I don't know if I would call Islam a men's heaven.

No religion allows women to have multiple husbands (that I know of).

But this really has nothing to do with Islam or any other religion, because there is absolutely no way that any religion can justify child rape and sexual abuse. Any male who engages in that sick behavior cannot possibly be called a man.

It is so disturbing that

It is so disturbing that some people on this site defend rape, physical and sexual abuse of this case to justify Islamic laws:

More detail:

ELDORADO, Texas - It was no secret that a polygamist sect that built a compound in the West Texas desert believed in marrying off underage girls to older men. And the sheriff had an informant for four years who was feeding him information about life inside the sect.

But authorities say their hands were tied until last week, when they finally obtained the legal grounds to move against the group.

The trigger for the raid was a hushed phone call from a terrified 16-year-old girl to a family-violence shelter who accused her 50-year-old husband of beating and raping her. State troopers put into action the plan they had on the shelf to enter the 1,700-acre compound, and 416 children, most of them girls, were swept into state custody because of suspicions that they were being sexually and physically abused.

On Thursday, state and local law enforcement authorities defended their decision to leave the sect alone for four years after it moved in.

"We are aware that this group is capable of" sexually abusing girls, Sheriff David Doran said. "But there again, this is the United States. We are going to respect them. We're not going to violate their civil rights until we get an outcry."

Warren Jeffs, the sect's prophet and spiritual leader at its longtime headquarters in the dusty, side-by-side towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., was charged in 2005 and 2006 with forcing underage girls into marriages there. He was convicted in September in Utah of being an accomplice to rape and is serving up to life in prison.

Doran had been making occasional visits to the Eldorado compound — he even called to tell members of Jeffs' capture in 2006 — but he said he saw nothing to warrant a criminal investigation. Most of those milling around the compound would scatter when he and a Texas Ranger visited, he said.

'This group doesn't openly talk'
"You can only press someone so far without having a criminal investigation going on," the sheriff said. "This group doesn't openly talk and they do not openly answer questions."

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24014376/

Religious sect or cult?

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24113196/from/id/24032...

Oh for crying out loud,

Oh for crying out loud, Islam is a men's heaven. Why is that the very progressive "Islam" does not reserve the same right of having many husbands for a woman...

Islam is old fashioned and violent.

If a tree falls in the forest and no ones hears it

Does it make a sound?  It is a shame about that little girl in Yemen but there are so many like her around the world.  Many are never heard from.  Many are kidnapped and so on.

The problem is here right here in the good old US of A with all the huffing and puffing and all the freedoms and powers in the world, yet people are able to set up camps and do these things. 

The guy who raped the underage bride who called was a registered sex offender in Arizona.  So when he came to Texas I guess he registered with the powers in the Compound and since "neighbors" in the next few miles included the Compound itself he found a safe place to continue his crimes in the comfort of this place.

They breed these poor women with low self-esteem.

To Zirak

In what page of Quran, does it state that you can have multiple wives???? That's nonsense which was fed to us muslims via mullahs or Imams. That's political Islam created by mankind. Man and woman are equal according to the book. Please don't hand out wrong info.

Let's get some facts

Let's get some facts staright. The blog referred to the FDLS arrests and asked questions about freedom and religion. Right?

The voice of reason tells me to stick to facts. This isn't about polygamy or the Bahais. Please read facts.

"The children were removed from a ranch belonging to a polygamist sect after authorities said they received allegations of abuse."

"16-year-old girl whose call to a family violence shelter triggered the raid at the compound. But her name was identical to that of several girls in the sect.

The caller had said her 50-year-old husband had beaten and raped her."

//www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11/yfz.search.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText

In yemen?

//www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/17/yemen.child.ap/index.html

MrsTahirih

I would like to thank you for your time and effeort to post your comment here.I dont know what would be the teaching of your religion of how to deal with some body rude like you throwing insult and make the false accussation?maybe you can enlight us some of those preaching.

you can call me every name in the world just because I dont believe in what you do but you cant change the reality. Me and zirak arent the same person.

peace and love  right!!!!!!what a joke

Problem with the mothers

If you listen and read the comments by some of the mothers who were in these sects or cults you'll see that they are pregnant by the age of 14 or 15 or 16 and by the time they are in their early 20s they are saddled by 4 or 5 children.

By that time they can't do anything and become dependent on these men with multiple wives, underage brides included.  So they are helpless themselves.

They don't know where to go or what to do.  All they want right now is their children who are screaming on their own in foster care.

Plenty of pain and tragedy to go around, except for the so called men who started all of this.

Double Standards for sure

Psychiatrists and psychologists have been raping their patients for decades now and they get away with it. In many cases they have even charged the government or the insurance companies as "sex therapy." The only difference is that they can manage to hire very expensive lobbyist to shove their cultish system as "science." How else a combination of addictive and dangerous drugs, brain frying (electric shock), brain cutting (lobotomy/neuro-surgery) and other inhumane practices could be considered "science?" They are actually teaching this insane practice in schools!

This is a cult that believs mankind does not exist - only brains exist! Spiritual nature of mankind is ridiculed by them. Their perverted idea is that our emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions (which implies we are not responsible for our actions). The results of thier fake "science" is a failed education system, a failed mental health system, a failed justice system, a failed criminal "rehabilitation" system and all they can say is they have so many excuses why! All they can say is that they should be given even more money if improvements are desired! But degradation started when money started to be given to them in the first place!

The only reason religions get attacked publicly is because these boys and girls are trying to shove their own political cult into position of power.

Zirak you took my red flower!!!!But it does not suit you!!!!

Zirak, you can take my avatar the red rose ,but you are far away from its beauty .

You preach to kill Bahais in other blog and here act as if you are the most well behaved human being" saying ofcourse the permission of the first wife should be  obtained".

Are you kidding me!!! I am sure when you went for your 14 yr old second wife you threatened your poor defeceless first wife,to be able to become "Damad" again!!!!

If you ask me you and Bahram iranian are the same person .

Tahirih

Is Polygamy The Real Issue?

Or is it the fact that these pathetic people who call themselves "men" resort to abducting adolescent girls for sex?

If a man wants one wife or a dozen, that's his business. He and his wife or wives have to live with the consequences of their actions. As long as they don't hurt anybody else in the process, their lifestyle is irrelevant.

But these lowlifes like Warren Jeffs who engage in kidnapping and incest, and child rape don't deserve any mercy whatsoever. Neither do the parents of these young girls who allow their daughters to be procured like a canned ham.

Sometimes I think God is watching all of this as though it is on a TV, like a baseball game. No doubt He is screaming at the TV the way sports fans do, yelling and cursing at players who blew a play (us) and the umpires and referees who made a shitty call (Catholic priests, mollahs).

Multiple wives in Islam allowed by conditions are very difficult

In Islam, having multiple wives is ONLY allowed under CERTAIN and VERY strict conditions -- very difficult to be met by most men; for example there should be total agreement with the existing wife, as well as the woman who is brought to the relationship. Quaran is very specific about it. So it is not as if any men can go grab someone to get married to in spite of the fact that he is already married to another one -- very different from Mormons (as I understand it). Of course execution of that rule in Islam is a question.

Polygamy is not exactly against the law

First of all, if it was there wouldn't be so many of it around the US in different states.  Besides what law is going to be broken if a married couple want to have few other women live with them and from time to time have a sex orgy?  Hugh Heffner is currently doing it and we can all see it on TV.

No one is stupid enough to go and ask for "marriage licenses" for several women. It is like Chris Rock said during the Clinton's sex scandal with Monica. He said, do we want a President that stupid that would admit to his wife that he got a BJ?

Well in the polygamy cases, or in the case of Playboy mansion, it is people's choice.  The problem is not polygamy.  The problems are incest and child brides. And what evidence does the State or Govt need more than a pregnant 14 or 15 year old?  DNA testing is illegal?

As I understand it, these

As I understand it, these people have been engaging in marrying off under age girls without consent. Remember, by law, if you're under age, you can't consent because you're not mature enough. This is the law. In this case, there was a call made by an underage girl, 14 or 15 ish I think. Saying she was being married off. That's when the authorities came in because they didn't know who the girl was and no one was willing to help them. These people have special beds in their church for men who marry girls that are under age. Since they can't really do it out in the open. This is all based on police reports not speculation. So they broke the law. And they do it on a regular basis. Didn't you read about their leader who was arrested and convicted reacently for forcing 2 under age girls to get married to older men? So even though freedom of religion is a corner stone of American democracy, it doesn't mean I can come and rape a 14 year and say...OOPS ITS MY RELIGION.

Polygamy by itself is ok. Monogamy is unatural. I have a hard time with it and I'm a woman. So there...take it for what it's worth. But bringing children/young adults into it is different.

It is poison

Even though I respect all religions, if followed and practiced as intended by the founders, of course, I still think religion is nothing but poison since humans would use them to achieve their own selfish/evil goals.

Mormons are not any different.

This is not a sect. It is a

This is not a sect. It is a cult. This cult does not even believe in Easter.

Polygamy is illegal in the United States. This community, even the women have are in violation of the state law. They all have broken the law.

Additionally, these men file for welfare checks to support their sick habit. That means, you and I pay for their life style with our tax money. The tragic part is that the women themselves don't see any of the money...the money goes directly to the men...and the young boys who work in these compounds are awarded not with money but with a 'child bride'...The Federal government has been after this cult for many years...but couldn't get enough evidence to bring up charges...it looks like they have finally been able to get cooperation from some of the cult memebers to open this case wide open.

What prompted this investigation was a phone call from a 16-year old to the police...They haven't been able to find that girl yet among the kids they have in custody...

Incest

This sect and other sects like it that are STILL operating in other states also have one other evil which is INCEST.  Media sometimes tend to forget about that part and not mention it as much as they should.  They just focus on child marriages that is "normal" in these places.

While same child marriages happens in Iran for girls as young as girls in these polygamist sects, there is no incest involved, at least not as a matter of being routine like in these places.

I saw the same interview and in the tour they took of the rooms they had Warren Jeff's picture hung like aks-e Shah.  He was convicted of incest among other crimes and is going to prison for  for a long long time. He preached "peace".

It is like the Pope said "we are ashamed" but forget about meeting with the victims or acknowledging them in a more sensitive way, just pay the billions and move on.

Now would it be fair to attack this sect for the "evils" of Christianity like they do with "evils" of Islam?  After all these crimes were done in the name of Christianity and Jesus.  It is much more fashionable to reject Islam's dirty evil.  Christian evils are blonde and sexy!  They are not backward like Muslims. 

Polygamy

Polygamy has been tracced in the Bible too. This is seen in some Western U.S. states among some fundamentalist Mormon denominations.

But it is widely practiced in Muslim communities where a Muslim man can be legally married to up to four wives and uncountable “Sigheh” (temporary wives) -- but of course if he is rich like most Sunni Sheiks or Shiite Hajjis.

Here in west all laws can be changed and reformed...

and this is where the line is drawn. People rule over people in west vs in moslem countries where bunch of mafia mullahs or sheiks throw garbage for people to obey and follow with their misery.

In west, pain of people is taken seriously vs in Iran pain of people is ignored and repressed.

Thank God I am an Atheist!

 There is supposed to be seperation of Church and State, in the U.S. This principle is to keep Church away from State's affairs, and keep State from interfering in people's affairs in practising their religions. That has been yet another factor ,attracting millions of immigrants to this land over the years.

Be Christian, be Moslem, be Atheist, be Satan worshipper,be Bahaii, be idolist, be Buddist, be Scientologist, and feel free to practise your faith. But when your idiot leader tells you to:

kill another man for writing a book,

kill a sheep in your bathtub and cause health hazards,

harrass others who don't share your moronic view of the world,

make savage animal sacrifices,

have sex with 14-year olds,

or,

be married to several women at the same time,

and YOU act upon it, 

 there is a conflict between your way of practising your religion and the laws of the land. Then, the State steps in and  the laws of the land prevail !

(And thank God for that!).

Role of religion

It shows organized religion is evil where it prays on poor lost souls. Imagine if leader of this religion group became the head of a state as it was the case in Iran. Everything and everyody goes down the toilet tube.