Khers

The Maggot Controversy

Wow, to actually remember and  go back and retrieve a post from 10 months ago....Read that blog, if that isn't pro regime, then the sun is a white dwarf hanging in my closet.

BTW, A maggot is an organism, a creature, that does good in nature by cleansing and consuming the organic matter whose life has ended. Nature intended maggots to be.....can we say the same that about the entities occupying Iran now?

Yeah, it is really nice to be politically correct and pretend that we must treat each other with respect when the very essence of our  heritage, our lineage and our country as we know it  is being constantly attacked and threatended by folks masquerading as Iranians. It's a two way street, you know.

Guess I have to flag every insulting comment directed at me that is a "slander" when I challenge the legitimacy of the pro-IR posters. BUT, I will not do that because then,  the thread will loose its coherence and significance and .......... I'm not a cry baby.

Just know that I will respond in kind - but normally I do not draw the first blood!

One last thing... a maggot deserves more respect. A lot more.

ta ta

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IRAN FIRST

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خرس جان راحت بخواب

همیشه هستند کسانی که تا آخرین قطره خون از حق دفاع میکنند

خوب این بلاگ هم به یک نتیجهٔ خوبی‌ رسید

با تشکر از جناب جاوید که مسوولیت قبول کرد و اعلام کرد که از این ببعد بلاگ‌های تهمت و افترا را feature نخواهد کرد.  درستش هم همین است.  

همچنین با تشکر از همه کسانی‌ که محبت کردند و در این بلاگ کامنت گذاشتند.

شب همگی‌ خوش. 

Ali P

You too???:))

say, have you been to that subscription-only site today?:) i heard something was happening there...

Ab o hava has been good there recently na?

JJ

You don't read every single comment????

What the hell do we pay subscrpition for??

(Ehhhh...wait...)

Wrong website...

My bad ;-)

Baba...

Maybokhor! You said it or someone else said it. Doesn't matter. It's in your comment! If you or someone else is called a maggot in a comment, it will be deleted. That is if I see it or someone flags it.

I went and deleted the comment you are complaining about. If you don't flag an offensive comment, how am I supposed to know it exists for me to decide if it should be deleted or not? I have news for you. I have a lot more important and enjoyable things to do than police every single comment. Sorry I tend to miss some of them!

Dear JJ, you disappoint me. I was the one called a maggot...

Honestly! Did you even read the comment? I had just inserted part of what "Cost of Progress" had written me as reply to an earlier blog of mine (and mind you without being deleted). Please read the following again and see what he writes in my blog //iranian.com/main/blog/meybokhor-manbarbesuzan/i-had-nightmare-other-night:

What a load of horse poop; By Cost-of-Progress on Tue Jan 19, 2010 06:49 PM PST
All you maggots sing the same tired tune. If it isn't zionist, its "out of touch Iranians from farang".... Is that why you endorse atrocities against your own people? Are YOU in touch? Is that why the alliance of reesh-o pash has stepped up its presence on this site? Keep fooling yourself about the islamic regime.

goodl blog khers.  and you

goodl blog khers.  and you got the issue resolved.  doubly good.  you asked and jj finally answered.  you see it's not as nefarious as some may have thought (featuring personal attack blogs meant for increased traffic).  it was just a mistake and jj didn't realize the blog went against his website's policy of slandering.  although, no one dies over being slandered (another topic).

Hey, don't blame me. The

Hey, don't blame me. The labels I apply are descriptive: exile, reject, self-hating and the like.

I don't call certain people "Zionist;" I call them "pro-Zionist." There's a difference.

Talk of "agents" is just plain silly. It's mainly used when someone takes an anti-Iran stand and can't defend themselves in opposing discussion. It's a display of weakness in argument.

There is an element of stereotypical emotionalism to all of this, as well as the typical baggage carried around by exiles. But that's probably left to a separate blog post, should anyone be so inclined. I, for one, am not.

LOL

I never saw the "arz konam ke baleh" side of JJ. That was so awsome.

I believe it is all rooted in the desire for certain people to exert some sort of domination over various aspect of a debate. When one tries hard to take over and uses a ton of citations and references (no pun intended to no one ) to make a simple point, that is when things start going down hills and that is when the debate takes a condescending direction. most people do not like that and it triggers a response, whether we like it or not.

Also, I see a very low threshold of tolerance in some, where they really get pissed and angry seeing their comments(not blogs) deleted for whatever reason. If people would refrain from sayin "why was my comment deleted" and immediately following it up with " you people are not ready for democracy", that by itself would be a good start for better and bigger improvements to come along.

It would be so easy to respect one another's boundaries, and to exercise restraint during any kind of debate.

Because

MeyBokhor_Manbarbesuzan, why was your comment deleted. Could it be that you referred to your adversaries as "maggots"?

In the comments, we have asked users not to make personal attacks or use profanity.

If you really really really have to call someone a maggot or anything, do it in your blog. Only make sure you don't mention their real name because you CAN be taken to court for slander.

Agha Reza va Hazrate Khers

Agha Reza, dar morede Hitler soaal kardin. arz konam keh baleh. ageh Hitler ham comment bezaareh va nazaresh o begeh hich eshkaali nadaareh. kamaa inkeh hamin akhiran yeki az moridaane ishoon rasman comment gozaashteh va az hamoon jenaayaat jenaabe Hitler baa eftekhaare kaamel defaa kardeh. jahanam. kard keh kard. aberooye khodesho bord.

dar morede tarafdaaraan har regime o rahbar digeh ham hamintoreh. har kasi mitooneh az har jenaayat o jenaayatkaari keh mikhaad defaa koneh ya nefrin befresteh. donya ba ezhaare nazar beh aakhar nemireseh.

man nemifahmam. in khatar holnaaki keh az tarighe comment gozaashtane yeh eddeye khaasi bevojood miyaad chiyeh?

serfe comment gozaashtan hich khatari ijaad nemikoneh. ezhaare NAZAR dar comment -- bedoone fohsh o da'vaa -- azaadeh.

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Hazrate Khers. shoma dorost migin. man nabaayad blog kasaani ro keh beh afraade shakhsi tohmet mizanan feature konam. eshtebaah kardam. I will be more careful.

Souri jan, I meant for my comment to be funny

Dear Souri, I meant for my comment to be funny unless it has beome funnier than I intended for it :).

Khers and Anahid

Anahid jon:

LOL, your first comment was sooo funny! I laughed loud. I believe you didn't check it yourself. Do re-read it and I'm sure you will find it very cute!

Khers:

Personally I really, but really don't care about the featuring stuff! When I click on IC, I just browse the big titles and then go to the blog pages. Believe it or not, I always read the title w/o even looking at who is the blogger! Then when a title interests me, I click on it and read it (or sometimes just go to the comments section) then I will look at the name of the blogger!

I do understand what you mean about the abuser, but honestly, this comes from the people on both sides. We read more slanders  like "IRI agen" than other way. Why? Because there are more people against the IRI writing here, than the pro IRI.

As for JJ's featuring their blog......well, after all this is a business. You should always keep this in mind, that no matter what JJ thinks personally and what is his own personal views, he has a business and he must take care of it. So he features what he think will be more "HOT" for the readers. Bringing more click. And this is very legitimate.

I suggest you don't look at the feature section! That's all. Do like myself :)

I remember even once a female user had blogged something which meant to accuse me of doing something very bad and JJ had featured it! I haven't even looked at that blog and the debate about me had gone too far on that blog, before someone sent me an email and told me to look at the blog. Otherwise, I would not even look at that, as I was not a fan of that blogger :)

Cool down! Don't worry.

The world won't stop at those featured blogs.

Enjoy your time here.

jenab-e khers

shoma so'al-e khoobi mikonid. omidvaram jj in mozoo ra dar ayandeh dar nazar begirad.

baa sepas

بانو پارسی‌

من با شما در مسائل سیاسی هم عقیده نیستم.  ولی‌ در عین حل فکر نمیکنم که شما یکی‌ از اشخاصی‌ هستید که در این سایت بقیه را abuse می‌کند، و اسم شما را هم در این بلاگ ننوشتم.  سوال این است که چرا به این افراد که بلاگ‌های حملات شخصی‌ مینویسند چرا پاداش داده میشود و بلاگ‌هایشان feature میشود؟  چرا آقای جاوید این مساله را روشن نمیکند؟ 

Puck

great comment!

anahid, yours too was great. the funniest in ages...! no insult intended :)

jj: i think your position is quite clear, and i agree with you. all of us who engage in angry exchanges and name-calling are equally to blame. there are a few who seem 'born' to scream, but there is still no excuse for engaging with them beyond the minimum necessary. i also agree with others who don't like seeing such personal blogs being featured.

khers aziz: i have never meant any harm to anyone despite what you may think of my views...! i am sure you find me difficult to accept. but i don't see any enemies here. i see some who can be nasty, but not enemies. we are just healthily diverse.

Peace

بفرمائید، اینهم نمونهٔ رفتار این اشخاص (iri)

Ki... chi... koja? جهان جان

موضوع فقط روی مانیتور نیست و حقایق تلخ بدتر از تخیلات برای سلامتی مضرند جهان جان یک ملت در حال مبارزه با این انگل هاست .درست است که باید به عقیده دیگران احترام گذاشت اما اگر این دیگران هیتلر و یا هیتلر های کوچک باشند باز هم مورد احترامند؟کسانی مثل سرگرد که مرتب از ج-ا-ا دفاع میکنند اگر دستشان برسه راحت آدم میکشنند.خبر رسانی این سایت واقعاَ عالیست به همین خاطر است که بازدید کننده زیاد دارد و شما هم اکثریت را می شناسید پس بیآید این موضوع را به رای بگذارید و به عقیده اکثریت احترام بگذازیم

To Kers, thanks for your blog

Kers aziz, I think you have good points in your blog. Personally, I don't care for pro IRI bloggers to begin with. How can someone be pro such a criminal government? So much killing. jailing people and raping has been done by IRI that in future people are going to be amazed that pro IRI people were defending IRI even after all this. As far as my comment, what I meant is that when pro IRI people try to intimidate otheres on the site, we have to respond to them. In some cases, I have noticed that if pro IRI commentators insult others, once the other side responds back and insults the pro IRI commentator, then both comments get deleted. this way, at least the pro IRI insulting comment is gone. However, this is not best remedy and does not work when an abusive blog is written by pro IRi writers with the sole purpose of slandering other writers on IC.

بانو آناهید حجّت

با عرض احترام کامل، باید خدمتتون عرض کنم که کامنت شما کاملا بی‌ معناست.   

جناب جاوید شما کامنت نوشتید ولی‌ پاسخ ندادید

سوال این است که چرا شما بلاگ هایی که چیزی به جز حملات شخصی‌ نیستند feature میکنید؟  اینهم دو نمونه:

//iranian.com/main/blog/chris-davis/neo-con-machine-iranian-com-fred-darius-kadivar-et-al

 //iranian.com/main/blog/q/letter-mola-re-democracy-israel-and-aipac-lobbyists-ic

شما لطفا به خوانندگان این سایت توضیح بدهید که چرا این دو بلاگ رو feature کردید و در صفحهٔ اصلی‌ سایت تون براشون تبلیغ کردید؟  شما از دموکراسی صحبت میکنید، ولی‌ نمیگید که درس اول دموکراسی مسوولیت شخصی‌ است.  آیا شما، به عنوان صاحب این سایت، با گذاشتن بلاگ‌های حملات شخصی‌ و تبلیغ و ترویج آنها در صفحهٔ اصلی‌ سایت تون هیچ مسٔولیتی در این مورد ندارید؟  شما میتونید توضیح بدید که این دو بلاگی که من بالا link کردم چه ارزش ادبی‌، سیاسی، هنری و یا علمی‌ دارند؟  دو نفر می‌خواستند که عقده خالی‌ کنند و اومدن چرت و پرت نوشتند.  شما چرا باید همدست اونها بشید و این بلاگ‌ها را تبلیغ کنید و ترویج بدهید؟  چرا این بلاگها را پاک نکردید؟  چرا یک کامنت براشون نگذاشتید که بگید رفتارشون زشت بوده؟  شما هیچ مسٔولیتی در این مورد ندارید؟!!

شما فکر نمیکنید که باید از آقای کدیور، که اسم کامل خودش رو در این سایت استفاده میکنه معذرت بخواهید چون که گذاشتید که یک شخص گمنام بیاید و این همه تهمت ناروا بهش بزند؟  فکر میکنید که رفتارتون در قبل آقای کدیور درست بوده؟  

JJ, I am bound to ask you or the moderators again:

Why was my comment removed?

The blogger asks for more user names. His blog is not deleted. I come up with a good example of a user who dilutes discussions with his insults and a proof of such behavior -- and what happens next? My comment is erased. No profanities (from my side) were used in the comment. So I still ask the same question. What is the motive behind deletion of my comment?

If you want me out of this site, then just say so. No innuendos are necessary. We are all hopefully grown-ups here.

vaghtee toheen betoon kardan, shoma ham toheen koneed

vaghtee toheen betoon kardan, shoma ham toheen koneed ta balke hardotash ra JJ bardareh. Vagarne oona meekonan va shoma nemeekoneed. Nemeeshe ke oona bekonand va shoma nakoneed. Hama baham bayad bekonand ta balke hamash delete shavad.

Hi JJ

Do you have any idea why my comment to this blog thread was removed?

Ki... chi... koja?

Agha Reza, ki inja "noofooz" kardeh? in takhayyolaat ro beriz door. baraaye salamati mozerreh.

azize man, baziha doost daaran az jomooriyeh eslami va eslam va felestiniha defaa konan. baziha doost daaran az amrikaa o esraail o bee dini hemaayat konan.

BOKONAN! beh mancheh keh yeki tarafdaareh chiyeh? hast keh hast. aghidasheh.

comment gozaashtan jorm neest. chomaagh neest. terrorizm neest. tote'eh neest. yeh mosht kalameh rooyeh safheyeh monitoreh. khoondanesh hich kaso nemikosheh. vali behtareh baziha aslan nakhoonan, ya faghat nazaraate moredeh alaaghashoono bekhoonan.

oonaaee ham keh faghat doost daaran beh hamdigeh bepparan o fohsh bedan, lofan ekhtelaafaatetoono tooye koocheh hal konin.

آقا جهان این سوء استفاده از دمکراسی ست

کسانی که  آب به آسیاب ج-ا-ا می ریزند و در این سایت هم نقوذ کردند و دیده ام که به دیگران هم توهین میکنند .اعتقادی به دمکراسی ندارند و بر عکس هدفشان خرابکاریست دقیقاُ مانند ج-ا-ا چرا متوجه نیستید که این سیاست ج-ا-ا است.شما هم لطفاَ دقت بیشتری به نوشته ها کنید و اجازه ندهید ج-ا-ا در این سایت مورد علاقه ما نفوذ کنند.با تشکر رضا

Virtual Democracy

Please excuse my ignorance for not knowing the difference between a featured and a non-featured blog, but it seems this blog has not been featured for a good reason: Finger pointing to members, be it  mere avatars or real names. Good for you JJ. 

Now, my name is Puck and I'm sure it won't be long before an F or an H will be inserted into my username by someone who does not like what I write, and that's fine. I too like to see my adversaries in pieces. It's seemingly a Persian tradition.

Sometimes I think that, Cyrus our great king, was a great ruler and everything but he could have never been a true democrat. How could he be? Democracy, and tolerance are not some phucking Persian things.

Thanks.   

My heart is true as steel.

Twins

You accuse them. They accuse you. You call them agents. They call you agents. They call you traitors. You call them traitors. You're made for each other! You're two sides of the same coin!

You have nothing to say, no thought... only anger and name-calling. Both of you!

There are plenty of people on this site who can express their views about the topics and subjects presented and do not get into petty, ugly fights with people they hate.

If someone does not like what I do or have to say, if they are rude or sarcastic in their comments, I don't go into a rage and pile all my anger for everyone on this site. I either respond politely, with respect to the other person's views, or I ignore and move on. Anger does not turn me on!

There is absolutely no point, no joy, no glory in finger pointing and aggressive comments. You come off as little children fighting an imaginary enemy.

The enemy, whoever you THINK it is, is not leaving comments on iranian.com. The enemy is not hiding behind this or that avatar. WE are our own worst enemy. WE cannot tolerate someone supporting something we don't like or opposing something we like. It's as simple as that.

You want freedom? You want democracy? Then respect other people's freedom and act like a democrat.

اینها مأمورهستند و معذور!

Well said! Khers, I have been called zionist, shahi, commie, MKO, you name it (how I can be all above contradictions in term, I have no idea!). Some sad little creature here was calling my mother names the other day (What the heck had she to do with it!). Why? because he objected not to even what I said, but my avator! If I dare to respond, my comments get deleted or even get blocked. I do hope I am wrong, but sometime there seem to be a deliberate double standard in place where some can slander others, but the poor guy at the receiving end can not even defend himself because he gets deleted or blocked.