Curious Joe

Poop is good

I read Curious’s blog “Reflections on Wine, Water, and Islam” and I like it.  I think he/she/ it has the same kind on mentality as I do, but based on scientific research and my own “My code of conduct is the opposite of ayatollahs” I believe eating poop is actually good.  Many animals including cats, dogs, cows, guerillas, etc. eat their own poop regularly.  Fortunately for us modern Homosapiens we eat it from drinking water.  It helps to recycle bacteria that are needed for digestion.

Curious Joe, thank you

Thank you for responding to my comment. Thank you for starting your comment with, "with all due respect..." It is good to be respectful, even rhetorically, when debating issues. Because issues are the subjects of the debate and not the person. At the same time when a person takes a stand on an issue, then the person may also become a target of debate.
Now, I must say that you are articulate and you have legitimate grievances about the Quron, Islam, Islamic laws, Islamic mentality and so forth. I, for one, am not an apologist for anything Islamic. I was limiting myself to the issue of imbibing alcoholic beverages and presenting, very briefly, the pros and cons of consuming alcohol.
Now, you mention France and the way things are there when a French goes and orders a bottle of wine, maybe drinks a glass of it and leaves the nearly full bottle there and not take it along. Well, that's good for him/her. I suggest that he/she orders just a glass next time and not be so wasteful :).
Then, you use the opportunity to point out an awful lot of things Islamic that I also abhor. My suggestion is that those issues deserve discussion and scrutiny in their own rights. Bring them up, preferably one at a time and let the chips fall where they may. Finally, if you would do some simple checking and satisfy your curiosity, you find that even in France a significant percentage of the population has serious health/social problems with alcohol. It is a very complex issue. In a way, I wish that every human being on the face of the earth could imbibe wine in moderation, benefit from its health effect and not suffer its harms. But, that's a wish that may never come true.
With respect,
Cyrus Khan

Curious joe I think you need

Curious joe I think you need a drink. What the heck chera to enghad hers mikhori?

Red Wine is the best :=)

Har kasi keh wine nakhoreh dehatieh.hehehe

Response to Cyrus Khan

With all due respect, we are not talking about drinking to excess, or smoking to excess, or doing anything to excess, including loving Imam Hussain to the point that you get into a frenzy --  hitting yourself with a chain, or opening your skull with a ghameh.

We are talking about a normal French guy who goes to a restaurant and orders a bottle of his favorite wine with his dinner, pays his bill, leaving the whole bottle (almost full), having had no more than a glass of it.  AND HE DOES NOT ASK FOR A DOGGY BAG TO TAKE THE ALMOST FULL BOTTLE HOME.  Believe me, if an American (or even an Iranian) goes to a French restaurant and orders a bottle of wine, his education and upbringing requires him to drink all of the bottle, just because he paid for it, let alone trying to doggy-bag what is left in the bottle – which is illegal in the US.

Why is it that the staunch Islamists think that anyone who likes to have a glass of wine with their dinner must be a drunk – and thus Qoran must ban the alcohol altogether?  It is almost like thinking that Iranian men are so frustrated (because of no sex availability before marriage) that when they get married, they think they are entitled to rape their wives (whether she is wet/willing or not) and to sodomize or even beat her,  just because she is now The woman, idealized as The wife in Qoran.  That way of thinking about a typical Muslim man is so far away from reality – or is it ?!!

Why is it that the staunch Islamists think that all women sun-bathers in the French Riviera must be prostitutes, just because they are not covered under chador, hejab and burka (let alone that they are stark naked).   I suppose that is too much to bear for the red-eyed, jealous, naamoos-parast Islamists who think a naked woman in the beaches of the French Riviera is nothing but an Infidel/Jendeh, just as the same Islamists (like Dariush Abadi) think that any man who drinks half a glass of wine with his dinner is supposedly a drunk, as defined by Qoran and its teachings, and supported by Paasdaaran/Basijis in Iran, and the Wahabi land of Al Qaida/Saudi Arabia.

Little wine is o.k.

Everything we do in this world, including drinking, be it water or wine, has a cost/benefit associated with it. There is evidence that moderate drinking of wine can have beneficial health effect, although recent studies show that it may increase the risk of breast cancer in women by three folds.

Be that as it may, the bigger problem is that great many people are not able to hold the line. Wine is indeed intoxicating and people can drink it to excess. And we all know what happens when any alcoholic beverage is consumed excessively. So, there you are. Drink or not drink, that's the question. And the answer depends on how a given individual feels about his/her vulnerability to become hooked on excessive drinking and how much risk he/she is willing to take to avoid ingesting "poop" by drinking water. It is a fact that the health and social costs of drinking are astronomical. In the U.S. alone there are some 20 million people that the National Institute on Alcohol and Alcoholism classifies as alcoholic/abusive drinkers. Hence, drinking alcoholic beverages has vast ramifications for the individual and the society.

To: Mr. Abadi

Dariush Jaan:

I am very aware of your background and your deep understanding of Islamic teachings.  There is no question that you deserve a post-doctoral degree (beyond PhD) in Islamic studies and Imam-Hussein and Imam Hassan, and Imam Ali (even though the child-abuser called Mohammad sodomized a 9-year old little girl called Ayesheh).

I have no more respect for Christian priests who sodomize the altar teenagers than the child-abuser Mohammad who f**ked a 9-yrar old little girl.  But Dariush Jaan, if you are going to get into a debate with a staunch atheist like me about your self-righteous beliefs, please be prepared to support every statement you make with credible references.  By credible references I mean worldly accepted truth (among 6.3 billion inhabitants on this planet, preferably the scientists) rather than Santa Clause stories coming from Qom or the fairy tale clauses from Qoran -- which need to be reformed (kind of like New Testament versus The Old Testament). Let's face it. Dariush, Qoran is too violent and intolerant a book for the 21st century.  Islam and its Qoran need to be reformed.  I challenge you to an informed exchange (backed by credible references) in this widely read forum among Iranians.  I am aware that this forum, evidenced by comments,  full of curses with no substance, is visited by lots of "laat and jaahel" with plenty of colorful Farsi vocabulary like (F-words and fohsh-e khaar-maadar), caused by their mere sexual (or lack of) frustrations due to the very prohibitions promoted by the Qoran of yesteryears. Nevertheless I say, after 1500 years, Islam and Qoran are due for a reformation to adjust to the realities of the 21st century and beyond.  What do you say?

Viva Vino!

Curious Joe,

Many thanks for a very funny and hilarious insight.
Thanks also for the scientific evidence supporting
Omar Khayam's praises for wine a thousand years ago.

The long list of diseases you can get from water
include the viral hapatitis group, cholera, typhoid fever, shigellosis, E.Coli enterocolitis, giardiasis,
schistosomiasis, and many, many more. All of these
can result in cirrhosis, liver failure and death.

On the other hand moderate wine intake (specially red
wine) may actually be healthful and life-extending.

No wonder then, that the mullahs are so full of shit,
and that Western culture is way ahead of the Islamic.

I raise my glass of red wine in memory of Khayam, and
I drink it with pleasure to you good health. Cheers!

Curious Joe jan, This is

Curious Joe jan,

This is inspirational. what about all the consequences of all these ppl drinking alcohol instead of water? Think about all the angry drunks out there? The "I love you man...I love you so much man" drunks? The "I can't believe he did this to me booo hoooo" drunks? And what about all the unwanted children that will be created? Are you sure these experiments you are alluding to were performed in controlled environments? Were all the consequences accounted for? Also, what if God meant for us to eat poop? Maybe he wants to have a laugh too? Tell me also, does this mean that since we water plants, then there is poop in orange juice?

Nazanin

liver disease

stop drinking water, and drink as much alcohol you can...and then we'll talk

liver disease

stop drinking water, and drink as much alcohol you can...and then we'll talk

ok. well i think we in the

ok. well i think we in the west understand these "prohibitions" in the context of which they were regulated. but, anyway thanks for the ecoli info. ;)