ADVICE

To Curious Joe, You freakin

To Curious Joe,

You freakin people make me sick. Just because you could not make in this country, dont be bashing the people who did. You freaks who thought if you are not from teharan, you are from another planet, are no different than the freakin racists who live in this country. And by the way, those people who you call daahati and sell used cars and real estate, are the hard working people who deserve whatever they have. And if you and people like you dont like this country, then get the fuck OUT. LOOSERS.

Choghok, Sasha and More

Choghok, Sasha and More American,,gret observations. Please note that this U.S love-hate disorder these leftists are infected with have damaged their ability to think clearly. They can't get enough of U.S, and at the sametime they can't stop bashing it. Till today, even on this site, after posing infinite # of questions to these leftists on why they all immigrated to the "uncivilized, Iran hating, worker opressing, human rights violator" nation of U.S, till today, I have not been able to get a reasonbale answer, and in most cases, I didn't get an aswer at all! Because this question touches the nerve of their argument ! These guys don't have a problem with U.S policy towards Iran only as they claim, they use twisted logic, fabricated statistics, character assasination and personal attacks to bash the U.S at every level. Just look at thi site, its called Iranain.com, and at a time which is considered one of the most crucial in our history, even according to their own admittion, they have absolutely neglected the brutal opression of our people in Iran by the IRI on daily basis and are engaged in U.S bashing at all levels, including Americans' daily habbits such as eating and sexual relations, ,,,,!!!! And now mr Joe here is advising people not to migrate to a country that hosts 35 out of 200 million immigrants in the world !! And millions have always and still are going through huge difficulties and sacrifices just to make it here ! Just sad what have these people become.

Final post - To Salar

Now you are diverting the debate into a different line. I can clearly see your face in the crowd in the streets of Tehran, with your fist in the air screaming “Marg bar amrika”.
Shame on you who self-proclaim yourself to be intellectual and help to destroy a nation by supporting fanatics and extremists. You think by just reading Marx manifesto or participating in a few MKO meetings you have found the truth. Think again “bro”…

Why didn’t I see any mention of Japanese, Russian, Italian, French, … in your distorted argument. Keep on talking about Chinese and Indians. In 10 more years you won’t have them to kick around in your babbling neither.
I bet you are not even living in the US. You are one of those sore losers who couldn’t get the visa to come here.
For the benefit of those who may be glancing at this exchange, my intent is not to defend US as the perfect society and justify every action by every administration. There are plenty of room for criticism and improvement but, in my opinion, the fundamentals and foundations for a free and democratic society is as strong or stronger here than any other corner of the world.

So, SALAR, take that suicide belt off your waist and as our friend suggested “Get a life”

We luv u 2…..

to: Anonypoet

Excellent, I really like your poem
Any more writings you have, anywhere
Keep it up & post more.

To Salar: Get a life

Salar,
To add to your fire, my father was a law professor both in UK (Oxford) and Tehran, and I was raised in Tehran and there is nothing you can do about it. But, as I said, my best friends are dehatis ... since I admire their self-made character.
I have dehati friends from other nationalities as well. Look at the prfile of the managing partner of the follwoing link:
www.tallwoodvc.com

Forget about BMW, he flies his own gulf stream V550 private jet. But he grew up on "hand me down" clothes (his own words) in his village in South East Asia. Each year, he donates millions to charity.

Better to be a productive dehati than jeolous.

Reply to more american than americanas

I said before I am with you bro, I totally get what you are saying. I promise I’ll be good, work hard and smart just they way your fellow americans have done. Just show me a free land with untouched resources, and I’ll promise to commit to a thorough and complete genocide of its native people and steal land from neighboring countries and if they resist I‘ll take it from them by force, then I’ll bring slaves from around the world to work for nothing and once the opportunity arises I’ll extend this slavery to far away lands like china and India and claim my rights to the oil that those middle east savages stole from me and hid it underneath their land. I’ll also fuck up their countries so their educated brains would come here and become my classy slaves, only they wouldn’t know it since I’ll throw a bony in front of them every once awhile. How is that? Is that working enough hard and smart for you? Just show me that promise land, I’ll take care of the rest with davood, javad and bache khaza. luv u all, it's been fun.

Ode to Curious Joe

In the land of loot and lushes Ho’s
All Joe can think of are his woes.
The Corporate cow, he milked it dry,
Now all he does is sit and cry.
America’s cold, it’s harsh and mean,
Enough to drive poor Joe to scream.
“Don’t come here-don’t immigrate”
“Stay in Iran and suffocate.”
What Joe forgets and doesn’t say,
He wasn’t forced to come or stay.
Now that he’s lost his pension & his perks,
He claims America is full of jerks.
Next time Joe, stay where you are,
Happiness comes from within, not from afar.

TO 5cents: WHAAAAATEVER!!!!!!

You didn’t have to tell me you are a Stanford graduate, I could smell a dehati half the world away. You are dehati no matter what you do or where you graduate from, let it be Stanford, Harvard, MIT … DehatiNESS is engraved in your brain and personality all throughout your childhood, teenagehood and beyond long before you get to that prestigious school abroad and then make a buck or two and finally realize that long dream and finance a BMW or Mercedes. Anyway they only let you in there since you are an “intellectual mule”, there is no difference between you and those Chinese house boys who built the railroad in last century, only the appearance of work has changed. They built them the railroads, you are building them the information superhighways and push the bits around, that’s all. Now go drive that BMW and brag to ham velayatiya in javadabad a little more.

To Salar

Quit acting like you have some intellect and don't write in sarcasm, you are no hadi khorsandi....

You are probably a teenager now, but, when you grow up you will write responses after understanding the points. Get out of your "left-wing" shell and try to read carefully and understand before trying to be cute.

Listen carefully, the discussion is about those who knowingly "choose" to immigrate to US. No one has put a chain around their neck to bring them here. If they choose to (as their best alternative) work minimum wage or work 24/7 as intellect mule (as you put it), it is their choice. They have no right to bitch and moan. Everyone has the right to criticize and opine ideas for improvement. However, that doesn't mean constantly whining and subscribing to conspiracy theory.

If you came here for a free lunch and you are not getting it, quit whining, work harder and smarter. If you can't do it, you will be working minimum wage, or sleeping on the pavement anywhere in the world you go.

Grow up...

Anonymous2

In your last post to Sasha, you spelled "previous" wrong.  :D

Robin

Normally yes, I do take constructive criticism well...........

 I also like to listen to other people's points of view and from them learn  as objectively as I can to think more clearly about any particular subject.

However, I do my very best to never correct anyone's spelling on this website as to not appear that I think that I am better than them. Besides what really matters most to me is their ideas, and passion for what they believe and why do they believe this. It is the essence of the person that matters the most. I am sure that you will agree. :o)

Natalia Nadia

You portray as a genuine person

Nothing really. I apologize if you think I was picking on you. I have read your prvious comments and you seem to take criticism well and there is some genuineness.
peace!!

Anonymous2 Thank you finally

 Thank you, finally you admit you were also wrong in your previous correction. However, my dictionary says differently than yours and I am rather fond of mine. :o)

Now, tell me Anonymous2 there is so much mispelling on many of the comments posted on this thread. I am just curious. What caused you to single me out twice?  Why do you think that I am so special? I would certainly like to know, to what do I owe such an honor?

Natalia Nadia

Nit-picking

It is nit-picking.
Not one word.

Anonymous2 Please take a look at your........

Anonymous2:  Its not nick picking its nit picking.

It's not nick picking it's nitpicking.

You know we could keep on going like this but what is the point.  You also forgot to mention that the dictionary lists nitpicking as one word.

Natalia Nadia

To Sasha

Its not nick picking its nit picking.

justforyoutoknow ....you are very welcome...

 Sasha: I personally think.

justforyoutoknow: "I don't think you can go by what you personally feel"

I never said I feel anything about it. I prefer not to let my feelings interfere with my thought process. Do you require for me to look up the definition so that you can understand the difference between "think" and "feel" as well?

I just don't get you. You can't take the time to proof read your posted comment but you are nitpicking on which term I use. What gives with you?

 justforyoutoknow:  ...personally feel.and thankyou for ...........Dont take it personally

I clearly know the meaning of the terms use and I have the right to select the one I like, as it is my posted comment. Just like you can mispell all you want. :o)

Natalia Nadia

Reply to sasha

I don't think you can go by what you personally feel.and thankyou for confirming it with the dictionary. As mentioned before yes emigrate from Mexico or immigrate to the US.
Just for you to know!!! Dont take it personally!!:)

Justforyoutoknow ....lesson for you :o)

 Personally I think either one can be used.

 emigrate-to leave a place (as a country) to settle else where

 immigrate-to come  into a foreign country and take up residence.

Normally when people use immigrate they tend to use it in reference to someone already in the country and Curious Joe is trying to warn people outside the US to not come to the US. They would be more likely,  categorized as to "emigrate".

The Merriam Webster Dictionary, Copyright 2004

Natalia Nadia

Lesson for you to Sasha /Natalia Nadia

It is not emigrate to the US; it is immigrate.
Emigrate vs immigrate.

You people are all dehatis

Hi, Bonjour, Ola, Guten Tagen,....

You are all dehatis to read this nonsense.

This site is dehati for posting these comments and have the Iranian Single pics. Have some class.Why would anybody want to find a mate like that.

Your comments will go no where.Try just try to be descent.

Iranians think they are the best and most talented,Hello have you been to other parts of the world--like Italy. Hey migan:Honar nazd Iranian ast o bass; For one I dont think they know wat art is and two they have not been around.
people are merited through their accomplishments, inteligence and humanity.
Iranians have changed, YOU ARE ALL DEHATIS. GO GET A LIFE AND STOP READING THESE COMMENTS

the word dahati

who are exactly dahati, anybody who isnot is from tehran? would sombody explain it please

Salar, I know...

 I know it is the lower income class Mexicans that emigrate to the US for better opportunities. It was the point I was trying to make. People from third world countries also only see the opportunities in the US.

I never said you can not speak your mind on what you think are the ills of the US economy.

Natalia Nadia

Empty arguments!

I do not like this article really. It really shows ignorance of the writer more than it tells you about corporate America.

I do not understand why he uses the term dehati. It does not add anything to the article than the ignorance and lack of self esteem of the writer.

The sallories given in US is dream sallories compared to Europe. The taxes are also much less. So instead of crying about American companies giving less to you "tehranis" you could start using your high sallory for paying insurances privately. Instead of a hich end BMW or Mercedes drive somethig like a VW or Toyota like european Eng. You will still have more money than both Tehranis and Dehatis in Europe and knowing that would keep you satisfied.

To people commenting that he should move out if he does not like the place. Grow up. A person could be critical about the situations of a place he lives at. If the America is even 10% as good as you say then it should accept criticism.

To Salar

Dear Salar,
I could actually produce a list of names for you, if you were able to write a decent paragraph without using inappropriate words in it.

"... Baba ma khodemoon khodai kos sherim, az in kos shera tahvil ma nedeh, boro hamoon khaliya roo barai bache javadai velayatetoon to ghorbatadbad beband dadash ... "

But a person who writes the above paragraph, could have nothing to do with director of a major hospital or president of a publicly listed company.

Yes, I know about those people from Stanford. I have studied there before revolution and I used to hire those who came after revolution. They talk (and write) much better than you though.

"... Baba ma khodemoon khodai kos sherim ...". Congratulations to your parents. I am sure they are proud of you.
Regards,

To Salar

Dear Salar,
I could actually produce a list of names for you, if you were able to write a decent paragraph without using inappropriate words in it.

"... Baba ma khodemoon khodai kos sherim, az in kos shera tahvil ma nedeh, boro hamoon khaliya roo barai bache javadai velayatetoon to ghorbatadbad beband dadash ... "

But a person who writes the above paragraph, could have nothing to do with director of a major hospital or persident of a publicly listed company.

Yes, I know about those people from Stanford. I am a Stanford graduate (before revolution). I used to hire those who came after revolution. They talk (and write) very different from you though.

To: More american than american(s)!?!?! and Sasha

I am with you bro. if I were a dehati and the US of ehh has giving me that golden opportunity to work and earn all that minimum wage, and finance that bimmer and driver it all over town picking up those golden hair dumb blonds pretending I am a bald Italian and never even known where Iran or Iranians are, those filthy terrorist animals, I would be totally ecstatic too. I mean all this opportunity us of ehh is giving us, doesn’t matter if you are a minimum wage hamburger flipper or an “intellectual mule” in silicon valley, please stop, we can not take it anymore, we are not worthy of this heavenly kindness. We are just bunch of ungrateful parasites trying to get a free ride here the way we have always done. We nag and complain and ask for equal rights, Why can’t we be like those good, grateful immigrants like Mexicans, Indian or Chinese who work 24/7 with no complaints like good slaves from washing toilets to think for you so you won’t have to do hard work or learn science or math and then apparently we go further than just complaining and do even worse, stage a coup to overthrow your democratic government, steal your oil, and stick a islamo-fascist regime up your ass just for the heck of it. Yeah, suck on this man.

To Sasha:

Most Mexicans immigrating to us are from very low class in that country. The upper class has no motivation to immigrate and make a career out of wiping american asses and work like slaves in US, although they are obviously missing out on a great opportunity as these clowns “more american than amerian(s)” would reason it with their retarded minds.

To 50cents: DEHATI and Ghorbati Conquering the US of eeh!!

Hey 50cents:

You think you know dehati, hala dige va se ma pos midi. Wait until you get a load of the Iranian DEHATI I know. I know a dehati that fucks 70 million in Iran 5 times a day everyday. I know another dehati that not only fucks 70 million in iran but he goes to New York, US of ehh and fucks everyone in UN and Columbia university too. I know another dehati that fucked all the Hollywood blonds all at once in a gigantic orgy on Baywatch and then he became the president of NASA, MGM, Microsoft, GM and Starbucks all at once but he left all those to start his own company to make gold from pure shit and he did it. He also earned 10 phd’s while doing all this.

Baba ma khodemoon khodai kos sherim, az in kos shera tahvil ma nedeh, boro hamoon khaliya roo barai bache javadai velayatetoon to ghorbatadbad beband dadash.

Dehati is always a dehati no matter what they do even if they earn 100k phd’s, jut pay a visit to Stanford U and watch ghorbatabadi ha in action. YOU CAN TAKE THE BOY OUT OF OKLAHAOMA BUT CAN NEVER TAKE OKLAHOMA OUT OF THE BOY.

Final Response to Comments

 It is surprising to see almost 80 comments to the article.  Since this post is going to die by tomorrow, as new posts are introduced, I’d like to close the debate by my final response, clarifying and clearing any possible misunderstanding about what I was driving at – which was: The dire state of financial security for the elderly in the US, compared to several other countries.  As a 65 year old person, passing-on the benefit (if any) of my life experience, I was merely trying to give a heads-up to younger people in their 20s and 30s -- as to what they could expect in the US after working for a company (or companies) for 35 years, versus what they could get in some other countries.  I had no other agenda in the article. 

Unintentionally, I must have touched a nerve by using the word “ Dahati”, even though I apologized for doing so in my earlier comment.  Please read my article again, and note that my reference to “Dahatis” was in the pre-1979 era.  Almost 30 years has passed since then.  The world has changed, and so have I.  With the advent of the TV, portable radios, cell phones and Internet, there is no longer any Dehat or Dahatis.  In 2007, even the Parisians have no longer a “superior aura” towards their French brethrens in the provinces.  In fact, most of the chic Parisians now have their vacation homes in quaint small villages, just like today’s rich Tehroonis, who have their 2nd homes in outlying areas of Iran – in the old Dahati-land.  That is considered shick in 2008.

Now that we have cleared that issue, let’s get down to some bare facts in answer to some of the more relevant comments:

1-     According to //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States , only 19% of the households in the US have annual income over $100,000 per year.  Forgetting about the other 81% (Dahatis?!), let’s concentrate on the clever Iranians who immigrated to the US and are among the 19% (non-Dahatis?) – (Note that the population of the US is over $300 million.  Therefore, over 240 million of them are already in bad shape, as they are among the 81%)

2-     Let’s look at a typical annual budget of a household with a $110,000 annual income in the US (both parents working for US companies):

Mortgage/Rent/Real Estate Tax/Assoc Fee, etc.            $24,000

Utilities (phones, Internet, Cable TV, Garbage, etc.)      3,000

Car payments/Gas/Transportation Expenses                       6,000

Insurance (Fire, Flood, Health, Life, Earthquake, etc)    3,000

Food (@ 1,000 per month)                                             12,000

Children Schooling/College/Debt Payments                      12,000

Clothing                                                                             2,000

Restaurants/Entertainment                                                  2,000

Annual Vacation with kids                                                  2,000

Federal Tax                                                                     12,000

State/City Tax                                                                   3,000

Social Security                                                       7,000

Medicare Tax                                                                    2,000

Savings (IRA, 401K, etc)                                               20,000

                                                            Total:              $110,000 

3-     With the above situation in the US (a frugal living within the Persian taste), the couple finally reach the age of 65.  The Children are gone (hopefully), and the couple need to retire, either due to illness/senility, or no more jobs due to age discrimination by the US corporations against hiring older people. Here is how their annual budget would look like:

 Annual Income:

                        Social Security (Max $3,000 per month)                       $36,000

                        Withdrawals from IRA/401K savings ($1K/month)         10,000

                         Annual Expenses 

Mortgage/Rent/Assoc Fee, etc                            24,000

Utilities                                                                 2,000

Transportation                                                                  4,000

Insurance (including Long Term Care)                   6,000

Food/Medicine                                                   12,000

Clothing                                                                            1,000

Restaurant/Entertainment                                                          0

Vacation                                                                                  0

Federal Tax                                                                      6,000

State Tax                                                                          1,000

Saving                                                                         0

                                                                                        ______

                                                            Total:                $56,000

4-     All I was trying to say is that you can work for 30-40 years for US companies at over 40 hours per week, and at the end, you cannot afford to retire.  Whereas if you work for companies in countries such as France, not only you do not need to work more than 35 hours per week, but you can also retire with dignity, able to pay your bills and go to a restaurant once-in-a-while, or take a little vacation.

That’s all folks.

Your view is skewed

Dear Miserable,

 Your view of people, life, work ...is totally skewed.  I think 50cents comments say it all; but I need to speak up a bit.

1)Dahaati-Don't call non Tehranis Dahaati.  If you want to think like that you and I are Dahaati compare to Parisians or Newyorkers. I personallly was born in Shiraz; my parents are from Tehran Am I half Dahaati also if you want to know Shiraz in 60 and 70s was a wonderful university community. 

2)A persons value is their accomplishments and education.  It does not  matter where they are from they should be judged with what they accomplish.  Look around there are som many immigrants in the US(probably mostly Dahaatis) but see what they accomplish.

It is 21st century for gods sake.

3)You did not grab the opportunity.  your bad.  You should have been smarter. 

4) For me..I am a professional from upper middle class; but I never look down upon people who are not tehranis or have gas station or work in real estate. I look at them as a human; individual as an immigrant with Iranian descent.

5)My advice: Take a long vacation and travel around the world.  Try to go to villages and Dehats and be giving.  You will get another perspective.  Be generous, be kind, be loving.after all at the end no one will know and care about how many years you were in corporate America, We will all go to the same place (ma as khak miayim and be khak baz migardim)

Peace,

Kimia

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