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The Law of Change

Mr Baer’s hand movement had a distracting effect on me, so much so that I decided to focus on what he was really saying and not where (I mean which webpage) he was coming from.
The result was this:At present CIA likes to show they are in touch with all opposition groups who are already armed against the Islamist government of Iran.
Which means a kind of pretend influence; let’s say a policy of spreading rumours?
But what for? I can guess the following reasons:

--To appeal to the USA’s electors, showing the extent of the US government’s influence in West Asia
-- Or is it to discredit any uprising in Iran? No, I must be paranoid. But as it is said: Just because you feel paranoid doesn’t mean that no one is out there to get you.
So, who knows perhaps the only thing the US government financed was the making of this video?
From this video I gather that the Kurdish guerrilla groups are fighting against the army of Iran. It does not become clear however, if by doing so civilians are killed as well. In a documentary about war the clarification of such issues are quite important. So in a way the subject keeps hovering in the air, just like a rumour.

Forgetting all this policy of rumours which seems to be mistaken for mysticism, at least as far as the CIA is concerned, I would like to suggest to all Kurdish resistance fighters to make a genuine survey and find out if the Kurdish people of Iran really believe that 50 years of non stop guerrilla fight has been the real answer to their needs and if they have better ideas to make their demands met.
Throughout the last 100 years the Kurds of Iran have played an important role in the struggle of the Iranian people for equality and justice. Federal or any other forms of government for Iran should be discussed and researched now and not after the change of the regime.
Various resistance movements in Iran should start meeting and finding the best way to proceed so that there is no vacuum after the new CHANGE.
No more dodgy politicians like in 1979 when no one really had a clue where they had come from and when the newspaper Ayandegan questioned this, the Hezbolah’s coup followed. Get ready and play a role nationwide and not just for Kurdestan ,Azerbaijan etc. We need couragous, experienced and progressive Kurdish and other minorities’ politicians in Tehran bringing change for all.

"IRI governmnet is anti

"IRI governmnet is anti Iranian. Anyone who has common sense agrees."

NO! This is like saying Saddam was anti Arab. Your hate is blocking common sense, not the other way around.

You can be against IRI but that doesn't mean they are "anti-Iranian". What "Iranian" thing did IRI abolish? The monarchy?! Or the "Iranian things" the monarchy provided?

The most Iranian thing about Iranians is THE revolution itself. You don't have to like it but it doesn't mean it was or is not Iranian.

iraj khan,

"I feel sorry for the young Kurdish children and their parents who are the real victims of the United States proxi war against Iran. Thanks for posting."

Oh, of course. How could I possibly miss the kids walking among the rubble and the old man smoking? "The real victims of the U.S. proxi war against Iran." So, those who fight aren't Kurdish enough for you and you don't see them as victims of the oppressive policies of the murderous Iranian regime? They don't count because they don't think like you and have been forced to take up arms against the brutalities of the Ayatollaahs and their goons.

In what way are the children and their parents victimized and who is primarily responsible for their victimization?

Despite the feelings of sympathy you have expressed with regards the fate of the Kurdish children in the video, your statement is nothing short of an excuse to exonerate those who have carried out the bombing.

I'd like to reiterate my previous statements and add what bothers you most is the fact that minorites in Iran are demanding broad democratic freedoms which were promised to them by Khomeini before the revolution.

Anytime Iranians respond to the brutalities of the regime, the claim is they are foreign agents or they are fighting a proxy war.

BTW, I had difficulty understanding your "perception is deception."

Is that to say one should only believe in the Invisible? Or are you saying that misinformation by anyone is welcome as long as it slanders those who oppose the regime in Tehran? It's interesting to see supporters and apologists of the regime rely on the expertise of a former CIA operative.

Of course, as is common among regime's supporters, you are being deliberately evasive when it comes to answering the questions I raised in my last comment.

Just take a moment and read your own posts

Dear Friends,

How can we improve our beloved motherland when we are just insulting one another instead talking about the real issues that are facing our people in Iran.

Most of you who are posting live oustide Iran and you live in your comfort zone. I am not critizing that what I ma saying is that since we are in a better position we should be able to unite and plan together for common goal FREE IRAN.

We need to have an organization and lobby group that can unite all Iranians and lobby on our behalf.

IRI governmnet is anti Iranian. Anyone who has common sense agrees. Even there are elements within IRI who are criticing themeselves and their plicies.

Please, please let us unite.

I hpe Iranian.com and JJ who have great experience in this matter will lead the path.

I hope Mr. JJ, who I admire the most will invite Iranians from all over the world for a referendum and ways to unite every Iranian and find a solution.

Let me make it clear Iran, Iran's sovereignty, Iran's economy and Iranian peopleunder great danger.

I call it Iranian Tsunami, that will hit us so hard.

Please, please, please unite not divide.

killjoy, Perception is deception

Yes there are Kurdish children, men and women in this footage and I feel sorry for them the most. You should have paid more attention while waching this report. You only watched what you wanted to watch. You only thought what you wanted to think. Perception is deception, This is my whole point,  

The children and their parents appeared at 20:54. They are standing on the bombed out building hit by the Iranian or Turkish army. An old man is smoking, a father is holding his young son in his arms, women from the village dressed in red and purple are talking to other Kurds in military outfit (21:17) , children are walking over a bombed out house (21:20) and the shy boy who is standing beside a little girl smiling. Killjoy you did not see any of these images and you should ask yourself why? 

They are not from Iran, they are from Turkey! Got it?

They claim they are northern Iran, in fact they were speaking turkish, not kurdish or persian. I know it since I know kurdish and torkish! So US is hiring the turkish Kords to attack IRAN! Bastards!

FYI/How the Islamic Regime Controls the Opposition outside Iran

From Sayeh Hassan blog :

//iranian.com/main/blog/sayeh-hassan/how-islamic-regime-controls-opposition-outside-iran

Hoshdar Basheed !

Anonther Lost Iranian in Paris

 Je ne te permets pas de me juger ou de m'accuser ou de rependre des propos sur moi sous couvert de l'anonymat !

Va te Faire Enculer Connard ! Je t'emmerde avec tes allusions a la con !

> great video

I enjoyed watching despite all the usual turmoil this type of documents brings on this site.

oh, and f.y.i : DK is french (for at least 3 decades I believe), this is the reason why he enjoys lenghty speeches/posts, controversy, and a big ego.

vous avez fatigué ,depuis des mois maintenant, tout le monde sur cesite, il est temps de vous trouvez une femme et d'arretez de nous pomper l'air.

Hypocracy!

iraj khan you wrote:

"I feel sorry for the young Kurdish children and their parents who are the real victims of the United States proxi war against Iran."

These people you saw in the clip aren't children as you claim. They are adults.

But have you ever felt sorry for the hundreds of thousands of young Iranians, many in their early teens, who were killed or injured in the war with Iraq because the regime wanted to export its Islamic revolution and continued the war for eight years?

The war could have easily ended in less than two years shortly after the Iraqis were forced out of Khorramshahr, but the real traitors in Tehran refused all peace initiatives because they saw the war as a god-given opportunity to suppress Iranian opposition and silence all the voices which demanded democracy and democratic freedoms.

Have you ever felt sorry for the tens of thousands of freedom-loving young Iranians killed in Iran's prisons by the Ayatollaas and their hired hands?

You certainly haven't forgotten that the most significant cause of the revolution was for Iranians to establish a democractic state. Do you have any idea what happened to Iran after the murderous Ayatollaas came to power?

In fact, you and people like you have no sympathy for anyone, you merely hate all Iranians who opposes the regime for any reason!

Anonymous8 Up Your Anonymous Post

As for Others who at least have the decency of posting their real name (if not their faces) like Iradj Khan Have a nice weekend.

DK

Mr DK, I stopped reading at the second paragraph, why? Because

you already have decided how I think and who I endorse! So what's the use of wasting a wonderful Saturday afternoon? I believe our discourse has already "short-ciruited". Have a nice day.

That's right Darius

everyone is on the US payroll: American Spies, Current TV, Iranian.com, etc...
A bunch of Wiskey smuggling terrorists killing Iranian young men must be good guys.

Only you know the REAL truth.

iraj khan YES I DO !

Yes I do Know more than her because I know the Iranian mindset and the issues that are really at stake here both historically and politically and I exposed them in my posts. I do not say this by inferiority complex or to Show Off but because the real dillemma of this crisis is not taking place on the military ground but elsewhere in the diplomatic circles and this a Poker Game and I have to admit that the IRI is playing VERY SMARTLY.

I don't Blame them, I OPPOSE THEM.

That is the major difference between me and you and others who endorse the regime in the name of so called Patriotism. These people you see like Baer are the same types of Manuchehr Ghorbanifar who negotiated the Iran Contra Affair to sell Iran Arms in exchange for financial help and other concessions. They are Middle Men, they are not the major deciders but people with a mission to blur public opinion from the real intentions decided between governments. Who Paid for it ? The Opposition. Bakhtiar was assassinated in the name of this transaction amongst other things and the Assassins are STILL ON THE RUN !

So Spare me your tears on this reporter's heart. Its not because one has a heart that one is not naive ...

And Let me Add: Robert Baer is contrary to this lady ANYTHING BUT NAIVE, He knows EXACTLY What he is doing  and what he is saying and even the way he is saying it in his patronizing way and can tell you he couldn't care less of the consenquences for he is not speaking in the name of Iraninan Peoples Interest {nor of the Civil Society in Iran that is fighting on a daily basis against this type of propaganda that to date ONLY VOA Persian exposes and denounces unlike the Western Media) but at best that of the next American Adminstrations Interests or to sell another sensationalist book !

Crossing the borders!? (to DK)

Kadivar says: "I do not excuse these operations but why is it that they seem to be such a nuisance to you last Minute Patriots ? And HOW TIMELY !"

Prince DK, you got it all wrong,... it is not correct for me to say they should or should not cross the border, the physical and ethical border, while I am not experiencing the killer inflation and tough life in Iran or in the Kurdish areas. However I and apparently Abrahim himself (komelh Leadrer) don't see anything good coming out of this. Did anything good come out of U.S. support of "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan? That proxy war created a nightmare for everyone, the nightmare for Afghanis, and Americans is still going on, ......
Kadivar_jAn, instead of spending so much time with Count Drakula read the news about the Afghan fiasco.

Mr DK, Do you know more than the reporter?

Or you know something that she does not know? You say "IRI is going to be around for the next 50 years". Well that's your opinion. You are angry at the reporter and the ex-agent for not thinking like you. You authomatically call them IRI supporter or agent. It reminds me of an episode in Sienfeld TV series. In this episode Seinfeld's uncle would call others an "anti-semite" if he disagreed with them and Sienfeld was making fun of this outlook about life and other people.  

Van Zeller is probably a

Van Zeller is probably a leftist who works for Current TV. This is her website.

//current.com/

//www.marianavanzeller.com/

Please write her an email and educate her on Iran. Don't let people like her set the agenda for Iranians. We have already suffered enough by the Islmaists and their leftists supporters before and after the revolution. I wouldn't be surprised if the soviet union is still not supporting toodehis of all stripes in the West.

Iraj Khan Che Sera Sera ... ...

You'll thank me in a year for my so called Preachings but it will be too late for thanks to this propaganda you will see the IRI solidly in place for another 50 years ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuEC3r7a-o

Darius KADIVAR

Thanks bro for the info.
I can't believe that there are so many ignorant idiots individual on this site...

Iranian observer????

Or should I say Pan Khomeini observer????
Pls provide me the links to your quote about Kurds helped Saddam...
As far as I know Kurds helped Iran during war and the outcome was that we got bombed with chemical weapon...So please be quiet if you don't have idea what you are saying..i'm no fan of Pejak or leftist Ideology but Kurds have the right to live freely in their country Iran which is not case... And remember we helped alot of other Iranian to flee from your shia government.

France and Khomeni

The irony is that while the Ayatollah Khomeini could establish an Islamic state directed from the suburbs of Paris, the French 30 years later have hundreds of Islamic mini-states on French soil. Khomeini and his cronies used this window of opportunity at a critical stage of the uprising against the Shah to consolidate their power and establish their lead over the direction of which the Revolution was heading.

As Ambassador Freddy Eytan says:

President Valéry Giscard d’Estaing had invited the Shah of Iran as his first official foreign guest, in view of France’s interest in Iranian oil. In 1978, Giscard and his Interior Minister Michel Poniatowski foresaw the collapse of the Shah’s government, which would damage France’s commercial interests.

The proposal was then raised to bring the Ayatollah Khomeini to Algeria. Before, he had been chased from one place to the other. The DST, the French secret service, opposed his entry but Giscard overruled them and granted Khomeini political asylum in France. He stayed in Neauphle le Chateau near Paris. From there, he distributed cassettes to Iran inciting against democracy, peace in the Middle East, the Jews and Israelis. He also called for jihad, a violent holy war. The PLO distributed Khomeini’s cassettes to Iran. When the American embassy in Teheran was attacked in November 1979, PLO members were among the perpetrators. Yasser Arafat was the first official guest in Teheran. He received a popular welcome as a great hero for supporting the Islamic revolution.

Today, we know that Khomeini’s concepts of the Islamic Republic have led to a major expansion of militant Islam. Both Hizbollah and Al Qaeda have their origins in the revolutionary ideas developed in Khomeini’s Iran. The violent speeches in the Iranian mosques and international Islamist terror would not have developed without Khomeini’s stay in France and the publicity he received there. Without Giscard’s hospitality, Khomeini would not have been able to take power in Iran and develop an infrastructure for international propaganda and terrorism.

David Frum writes in his recent review of David Pryce-Jones’s book Betrayal: France, the Arabs, and the Jews:

Pryce-Jones demonstrates that French foreign policy has repeatedly arrived at nearly equally perverse results in the Middle East. When Saddam Hussein banished Ayatollah Khomeini from Iraq in 1978, France welcomed the turbaned zealot. In France, the ayatollah discovered limitless freedom to agitate: As he himself later said, “We could publicize our views extensively, much more than we expected.” Pryce-Jones quotes a study by Amir Taheri that the ayatollah gave 132 radio, television, and print interviews over the four months of his stay in France. He received almost 100,000 visitors, who donated over 20 million British pounds to his cause. In February 1979, the ayatollah returned to Iran in a chartered Air France jet; an Air France pilot held his elbow as he descended the steps to the tarmac.

Nit Boms wrote:

In 1978, as protests against Shah Pahlavi swept across Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini was living in a cozy house in the Parisian suburb of Neauphle-le-Chateau, engineering an Islamic revolution that would soon shake the world. Under the watchful eye of the French government, Khomeini met regularly with journalists and actively campaigned for the shah’s overthrow. In fact, when Pahlavi finally fled his country in 1979, Khomeini was provided with a chartered Air France flight to Tehran, where he presided over one of the world’s most repressive regimes until his death in 1989.

Former French President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing is still around. He has not been called to account. Today he is the chief architect behind the awful EU Constitution.

//www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1857

Anonym7 ;0) (UPDATED)

And if you think I have just discovered who Robert Baer is your wrong for I liked the film adaptation of his book and wrote about Syriana long time before you even heard of who he was. And its not because I liked a work of a Political Fiction that I have to gobble and endorse any stupid report and analysis made by its author do I ?

I do not excuse these Kurdsih operations but I don't blame them and why is it that they seem to be such a nuisance to you last Minute Patriots ? And HOW TIMELY ! 

I have rented the DVD as a matter of Fact but had not time to watch it yet. Thanks for the Advice.

As for the Count Dracula he sends you his bloody Respects.

Ouch ... He Just Bit me !

Mr DK, The reporter is a human being first, She reported to the

best of her ability. She was brave enough to go as far as she went. And, She did not preach to us unlike you sir. She opened my eyes to a whole way of looking at things. Not like FOX, CBS etc who all already know what they are going to report! She did not need a Kalashnikov, she only needed her heart.

Report: Bush to declare

Report: Bush to declare renewal of ties with Iran

//haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031246.html

Iranian observer?

"Iranian Observer" or 'Islamist Observer'? There is a vast difference between the two.

All Arab/muslim states helped Saadam to fight Iran, including your beloved Palestinian Mercenaries. Your beloved occupational regime of Tazis spends billions of dollars on Palestinains who killed thousands Iranians during the revolution and during the war of choice your beloved Khomeini.

Lord of War? (to Kadivar)

Kadivar, watch Lord Of War (//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_War) so you get some idea about these 'dangerous games' as Abrahim (the head of anti IRI Komeleh) said.
Also Kadivar_jAn take it easy and continue illuminating us about monarchs and monarchism, the area that you have some knowledge about. How is prince of Transylvania doing?

A War Correspondent who can't differentiate ...

A War Correspondent who can't even differentiate a Cartridge Chamber on a Kalashnkov Automatic Rifle with the grip handle is not a War Correspondent ... but a ... Suicidal Tourist.

don'tembed ( Done ! )

Done !

The reason I don't embed at times is to provoke a necessary reaction and make sure people notice  the video in question which I consider is important and reflects my views strongly. Otherwise I usually don't embed in the comment section. Sorry for the nuissance. Do check the one on Michelle Renouf particularly her profile to see how Far the current regime has gone in manipulating our public opinion.

Best,

DK

Kurdish "freedom fighters" helped Saddam

Iranian freedom-loving Kurdish killers and bandits helped Saddam during his invasion of Iran. These groups are a menace to Iranian society. Any Iranian government, whether Aryamehr Shahanshah, Khomeini or whoever, has a right to pursue the Marxist Pejak and to destroy them. What's troubling is the number of mercenaries in our midst who are eager and willing to be agents of Iran's enemies.

Mr. Kadivar: can your

Mr. Kadivar: can your refrain from embedding videos and just provide the links??

Shahdooneh: It seems to me that the only thing you care about is your ATM, if you know what I mean.