vildemose

The Golden Era

It did happen when Dr. Bakhtiyar was the PM. That was the real "Golden Era". When Iran had freedom and a real democracy with no Khomeini. It did not last very much  but we did have one.

Thanks to the ungrateful people we lost it. Now we have to fight just to regain what we lost. Pretty sad to say that we have all we asked for. But it was not good enough. Wow: he did not give us free electricity! What a bunch of *** our people were ...

Beating a dead Islamist horse

First of all, Mousavi and others have explained many times that by "golden era of Imam Khomeini" they meant the time that he was in a suburb of Paris and was promising democracy. In other words, they consider that the best moments of Khomeini and want to actually materialize it. 

In other words, a Golden Era of lying, fabrication, and charlatanism. Together with mass murder in the form of over 400 Iranians burned to death by Islamist arsonists in Cinema Rex. Followed by more lying, fabrication, and charlatanism in the form of blaming SAVAK for the fire. Followed by yet more lying, fabrication, and charlatanism in manufacturing 15,000 dead or wounded in Jaleh Square. This is the "Golden Era of Emam" referred to by Mousavi and explained to us by his Islamist cyber-propagandists who reside in the U.S.

"stability " is the key word

Vildmose, I think that west always prefers a mildly, managably  hostile yet stable state in middle east to a volatile state who would be responsible to it's perceived volatile public opinion. Both Iran and syria are such stable yet mildly hostile states. For that reason I do not expect  Nato (or even israel) ever launch a full scale military attack on these countries or actively support democratic opposition forces. 

Mousavi's support for Syria or his view on khomeini is neither here nor there. He missed the opportunity he had and he is history. Do you remember his supporters saying if he is harmed they will do this and that? For all we know he could be dead or seriously injured. Where are his supporters?

All in all, I think Mousavi, karoubi and their green movement were the last chance the islamist regime had to hold on to power or gradually reform in a peacefull manner. I do not now expect this regime to go peacefully and this regime will go....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

You are beating a dead horse

First of all, Mousavi and others have explained many times that by "golden era of Imam Khomeini" they meant the time that he was in a suburb of Paris and was promising democracy. In other words, they consider that the best moments of Khomeini and want to actually materialize it. Whether they can or not is a separate issue.

Second, even if one does not believe the first, what is wrong with condemning the murder of Syrian people, even if it is by the people with whom you disagree? I do not get the point. Plus, does anyone believe in, or even heard of, the words "change" or "evolution of thoughts?" People's thoughts are not carved on stone.

Third, Syria is more complex than anything else. The opponents of Bashar Asad are mostly Sunni fundamentalists, of the Salafi and Vahhabi type in Saudi Arabia, not your liberal/progressive democrats. It is not clear if they succeed in overthrowing Asad, they will form a government better than his. Most importantly from the U.S./Israel point of view, they prefer to deal with Asad than with the Salafis. 

So, please think about such simple facts, will you?

Mammad

Vildemose jan, thanks.

I was going to ask you whether you plan to write about debt issue but as I reread your comment, it appears that not only you are reading about it, but also, you will write about it. Great subject too.

 Tangentially

 Tangentially pertinent:

 2011 at 08:09 PM PDT

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

 Thank you dear Anahid.

 Thank you dear Anahid. You are so kind and lovely. It's a great idea. Right now, I'm preoccupied by the debt ceiling debacle and its ramifications on dailykos. That is what inspires me to write about at the moment. But as soon as I find inspiration to write about arab so-called popular movements, I will be more than happy to contribute.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

You too Vildemose

You are also a champion of human rights and your blogs and comments are some of the best on IC. Of course, I don"t want to minimize contributions of other friends such as Bavafa, VPK, and others.

Vildemose jan, I wish you or another IC writer would do a detailedx blog or article about movements in Arab world and the outlook for their future. I am singling you out since you did a great job with nuclear disaster in Japan some months ago. May be it could even be a group work, each friend choosing one country or two countries and doing a synopsis on their recent developments.

Thank you all for

Thank you all for commenting and sharing your insights with me and  other readers of IC.

Every one of you (COP, Mehrdad, MM, AH,  vpk) has proven to be an unequivocal advocate of human rights and freedom everywhere and for that I congratulate you.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

The Greens are

an evolving movement. Yes they started with anger over the "election". Now I do not know where they are going but I hope MM is right. It is too late to ask for Mousavi to be president. He is far behind the rest of people.

We in the West need to keep supporting them. Providing them with moral and if possible financial help. Plus let them know that secularism is viable. It does not mean banning Islam or religion. Just means freedom to chose.

Thanks Vildemose for this great blog

It is not the blogs that have most comments on IC that are important. For instance, this thread is significant and I agree with Bavafa's comment.

My apologies to Vildemose....You're Right

Mehrdad jon, I trust that we're clear now, ay?

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I believe the condemnation

I believe the condemnation of crimes committed by Assad regime is a correct and responsible thing to do regardless of who is behind the turmoil, which I like to call & believe it is an uprising against poppet and dictatorial regime in ME. The uprising is the first and easier step in this process, safeguarding their newly gained freedom is inded the harder task as we have experienced it in 79 in Iran.

And Vildemose is correct, it was me that could not quite fully understand the point by COP

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'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

As I eluted to in another

As I eluted to in another blog, the Greens (not me) have come a long ways from the days of returning to the Khomeini golden era to writing a secular constitution.  This announcement is really not a surprise, especially knowing that the IRI has sent para-military forces to quell the uprisings.

Regarding the Khomeini golden era, while I think that the Greens have changed dramatically from the "where is my vote" days to "esteghlaal, aazadi, jomhouri Irani", many interpret the golden Khomeini era as the days when he promised the world to Iranians, while others just simply regard them as "50 lies under the apple tree".

 eluded to this a few days

 eluded to this a few days ago, and you noted that my post had been "above the diploma level.." 

 Dear COP: I think you have mistaken me with someone else. I Think it was Bavafa who said that to you.

Anyway, agree. these arab springs and winters are all manufactured as is the green movement and the 1979 fabricated Islamic revolution. Who really benefits from this chaos in the long run?? Those are the ones who are behind these types of shenanigans.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

Vildemose jaan

I eluded to this a few days ago, and you noted that my post had been "above the diploma level.."  ???

Perhaps I have a bad taste in my mouth from "movements" in the area of the world where heros, enemies and foes are made overnight (relatively speaking). What's happenning in the Arab world now is way too quick and way too radical - and inconssietnt with the way that area has worked for centuries -  to be the work of "people" as in masses. Thinks the suspicious young SECULAR Persian in me.

Who is behind all this? Only heaven knows....... And what's the motive behind this "movement"? Perhaps we'll know soon enough in September when the Mulsim Bro'hood seals the fate of Egypt!

Everybody repeat after me: ESLAMIC NOT-SO-REPUBLIC of EGYPT.

UGH.

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