Sargord Pirouz

What has been YOUR contributions to IC, Sargerd?

S.P. (perhaps standing for Savakie Pofyooz): what's been your contribution on IC?

- Equating IRI (islamist rapist imbeciles) with Iran, to protect your pay check?

- Supporting the IRI torture and suppression techniques?

- Using your American education to support terrorist groups in US?

- Faking an army credential to fool the true patriots?

- Spending hours after hours, to write under several nicks, all to attack the real Iranians?

Fair and Vildemose

Thank you for your kind remarks.

Lates golkari Aghayoone mollah!

"Answers"

>>I've seen the video. Poor discipline. Excessive force.

Understatement to say the least. Not just one video, but countless instances. Don't act like this is an isolated instance, this is systemic and the "men" in these anti Iranian storm trooper formations are ordered to do this.

>>You can't assemble without an appropriate permit. Sorry, but that's the law.

Really. The law in South Africa was that blacks cannot leave townships. The law in the US south before 1964 was that blacks cannot sit in the front of a bus. And the law in Nazi Germany was that Jews and Gypsies had to go to concentration camps. And the law in Iran is that a woman is half as worthy as a man, and that a gay person must be executed. So I guess your answer to blacks and gays and Jews and Gypsies is "Sorry, but that's the law!". And even the constitution of the Islamic republic gives the right to peacefully assemble and demonstrate, so to deny the permit is illegal in the first place. And you dodged the question- is such a person, the leader, a "man" when he declares war on his own people who want to peacefully protest? Why am I not surprised.

>>Question based upon a strawman premise. Restate and I'll address it.

Ok, let me restate the question:

Would a man rape and torture prisoners in the name of Allah?

A simple yes or no will suffice. You can let the readers decide what the premise is. If you trust them that is, and you don't need to "guide" them with the "straight path", like your Islamic Fuehrer gives himself the right to do.

Waffen SS Major, I asked for answers, not for copouts. Shame on you as always for betraying your people and supporting the fascist dictatorship of Ahmadinejad, and standing with the rapists and torturers of your people.

-Fair

Jamshid is dead on once again

I could not have put it better. We are not a poor, down and out, badbakht country. We have tremendous potential to be a world player in so many fields, look at the acoomplishments of Iranians all around the world who truly stood on their own. They faced discrimination in the host countries, ridicule and exclusion by the government in their motherland and its propagandists like waffen ss major, yet stood out so much among other immigrants. Now imagine if our homeland actually welcomed them and they were working to develop Iran instead. Iran would be a South Korea or Turkey, but with oil, gas, and natural resources.

But we are supposed to be happy with nothing, and keep playing victim. Well we are NOT victims. We are IRANIANS.

IRANI MEEMIRAD

ZELLAT NEMIPAZIRAD

-Fair

Jamshid jan: Gol gofti. You

Jamshid jan: Gol gofti. You deserve a big kiss on your cheeks. Ask your wife to give you one...lol

Thank you. Somebody finally diagnosed Abarmard affliction.

Abarmard

Ever since its inception, the IRI and mollahs imposed a culture of "gedaa parvari" and "ghenaa'at be kamtarin" on the people of Iran. Not only that, it taught people to be even proud of the least they could be.

You Abarmard are inflicted by that imposed culture. Had the IRI not destroyed Iran, and so had all the lost brains returned to a liveable Iran, today Iran could have been truly a dominant military power, not only in the region, but even in the world.

In the lines of the mollah culture of "heghaarat parvari", you are telling us that we must be proud of the least and the worst that we can be.

Sorry to break it to you, but there are still those of us that are not inflicted by this mollah culture of being satisfied with the least we can be, and can vividly see the true potential that Iranians have, a potential that the IRI, the regime you had supported in the past, has completely crushed.

I'll answer your questions

would a man go in full body armor in the street, corner a defenseless girl, and beat her into a coma with a baton?

>>I've seen the video. Poor discipline. Excessive force.

Would a man declare war on his own people, saying they will face consequences if they even peacefully express their dissent?

>>You can't assemble without an appropriate permit. Sorry, but that's the law.

Would a man rape and torture prisoners in the name of Allah?

>>Question based upon a strawman premise. Restate and I'll address it.

New reality but some things never change

Right now Iraq can't afford to pick fights with Iran, even then it claims Fakkeh oil field is theirs, and border disputes will not go away. The Persian-Arab animosity has been there long before the US or Israel existed, and when the British were a bunch of fiefdoms. Don't expect that to just go away.

With the course we are on, if AN and your fascist masters don't change, Iran will continue to be more isolated, Iraq will grow economically with massive energy development, and new weapons will flow to Iraq. Eventually, they will feel confident enough to assert themselves and twist Iran's arm. For you or anybody to pretend this will not happen is as irresponsible as when in the early days of the revolution, Bazargan wanting to return the F14's to the US, saying we don't need weapons, all of our neighbors are muslim brothers of ours! I guess that didn't work out very well did it.

Iraq is not the first country to have an insurgency that makes an occupation painful. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, etc.etc. Nor does anyone dispute that any non nuclear country today can prevent a US invasion. The false assertion that was put forward was that Iran has the strongest military might in the region, and I showed that is bogus. Forget about the US, if Turkey got into a fight with Iran today, it could bomb specific economic and military targets in Tehran and destroy every Iranian airfield west of Tehran, and Iran could not do the same back. It could not send a single plane into Turkish airspace.  It could lob some rockets into Turkish cities, but that is it. The UAE and KSA could bomb and destroy all Iranian oil export terminals as well as all Iranian port installations, and every airfield in southern Iran, unopposed, and Iran could not do the same back to them. It could not send a single plane across the Persian Gulf.  It could lob rockets into general areas, and maybe cause some damage to some ports. Of course, this doesn't mean war will break out tomorrow, but it does certainly mean that Iran has very limited conventional military might compared to its neighbors.

Regarding military victory, well, go read the history already. The US military took Baghdad in 3 weeks with very few troops, and very few casualties, and the regime of Saddam Hussein was destroyed. So it achieved its military objective quite successfully. What followed was a failure from the political side, as in what to do with that military victory. Twist it however you want. You cannot rewrite history.

In the meantime, take a look at the people in this video, claiming that military service turns you into a "man". Tell me waffen SS major, would a "man" go in full body armor in the street, corner a defenseless girl, and beat her into a coma with a baton? Would a "man" declare war on his own people, saying they will face consequences if they even peacefully express their dissent? Would a "man" rape and torture prisoners in the name of Allah?

And finally, are you going to be "man" enough to answer these questions?

I didn't think so. Shame on you for betraying your own people and supporting the fascist rapists that attack them.

-Fair

Can We All Agree on this ?

Phuck the Mullahs, Phuck the Zionists, Phuck the Monarchists and Phuck the MKO Communists !   -thank u come again. lol

The new reality

There's a new reality, Fair, between Iran and Iraq. Unfortunately, you choose to live in the past. Which is fairly typical of an exile.

The 3000 figure comes from the Pentagon. If you have other figures to cite- with sources- provide them.

As for the prevention of a US invasion, right now there is not a country on earth that can resist one. But the Iraqis demonstrated that a US military occupation can be. Many countries- not just Iran- have taken note. Iran, however, has perhaps gone the farthest in adjusting its military to take in these lessons learned in Iraq.

I don't consider 35,000 casualties, a worm out military and a trillion dollars lost a "military victory", just because the US military occupied Iraq all these years. And it did prevent the next phase in Bush/Cheney's military adventurism: the invasion of Iran.

And yeah, blah blah blah anti-Iran back at you, as usual.  

Your cousins, not mine

Maybe you consider Iraqis your cousins. Not me. I am Iranian and Iraqis invaded and raped my country (something you don't seem to mind, as the Islamic Fuehrer is currently continuing the job of Saddam, Arabizing the country and brutalizing our people).

Furthermore, this Jafari is not a sarlashgar. He is a terrorist thug. He is head of the Islamic Waffen SS called IRGC, and has the same fascist ideals as you do- he has declared war on the Iranian people.

Also, the strategy you are talking about did not prevent or defend against the US invasion. It made the continuation of the occupation difficult. So like Vietnam, Iraq was for the US a military victory but a political failure. (taking territory was successful, holding it and doing the civilian management was not). Furthermore, the number of fighters in Iraq were much more than 3000, and you seem to neglect that the entire Iraqi army was disbanded and unaccounted for, as well as an entire population with military trained young men. So the situation in Iran will not be that different.

None of this constitutes military might. It does constitute the ability to make trouble. These are two different things.

But like I said, it will not come down to that. The non military reasons are sufficient to avoid a land invasion of Iran, and hopefully even an air attack on Iran. For now.

Still, shame on you for betraying your people and standing with their oppressors, torturers, rapists, and enemies. So far as to even call them your cousins. You and your bosses have no country.

-Fair

Fair

I wouldn't be so hard on our Iraqi cousins.

When I saw US Army vehicles thumping their way on the highway into Baghdad, with Iraqi young men of fighting age lining the street in their "civies", I could tell right away in their hearts they were undefeated. 

And how did the war go? The Iraqis (and Arab auxillaries) were a force that never numbered more than 3,000 full time fighters, yet they managed to inflict more 35,000 casualties on the strongest military the world has ever seen. And in the process, they saved Iran from a similar fate of war. 

Now, taking the lessons learned form the second US-Iraq War as well as the 33-Day War, Sarlashkar Jafari has made a number of critical adjustments to Sepah command and organizational structure. If the US (or any other large conventional force) attempts to invade and occupy Iran, it won't face a mere 3000 like Iraq. It will face hundreds of thousands, fighting a similar type of war.

YMJ: I think tanat mikhareh

YMJ: I think tanat mikhareh baraye jang. You must be in the IRGC. I think at this point the IRI's only chance of survival is to provoke an attack against itself either by the US, Israel, or even Iraq or Bahrain.

I don't think anyone is going to take the bite this time. So YMJ: KhAab didi, khaireh..Your regime is a dead man walking...Deal with it.

You need no correction Marhoum Kharmagas

1)We will both be equally sad indeed, and I unequivocally oppose any attack on Iran regardless of circumstances

2)Iran will not be invaded from the ground, and if it does, Iranian soldiers will never peform as pathetically as Iraqi soldiers did, because they will be fighting for their country and not a regime. Iranian soldiers bravery is unparalleled. No military in the world, regardless of technology, has soldiers as brave as Iranians in my opinion. I have known soldiers from Iran (my brothers forever) and I have subsequently met soldiers/veterans from numerous countries, including the US and Israel. While many have bravado, I have never seen the commitment of an Iranian soldier anywhere else.

But regardless of our bravery, we unfortunately will still not prevail. We will fight to the last man before losing, like we did in Khorramshahr and too many other Iranian cities, thanks to the anti Iranian Imam leading us at the time. No matter what the outcome, we will still hold our heads high as Iranians.

But my prediction is- it will not come down to that. It is in the interest of all major powers today that war does not break out in Iran. Let's hope that continues.

-Fair

Fair

I am not sure if you addressed me but my question was a new one. Also I did not make any claims about Iran's military strength as compared to the others in the region.

YMJ-That wasn't the question

The question was "does Iran have the strongest military in the region" as you bragged. The answer is clearly no.

Older S300's, obsolete S200's, and all these piecemeal solutions are not an air defence architecture for a country with over 1.6 million square kilometers and countless mountainous regions that make ground based radar completely blind to fighter packages ingress and egress. With the technology in modern avionics, you don't even have to know the terrain like the old school Iranian pilots did. How many points can these missiles cover, and where is the fully integrated early warning and detection for the country? It doesn't exist. Period. The Shah had ordered 10 AWACS planes and the F14 for precisely this reason, and even then it was difficult. All the fixed S300/S200/Tor M1 sites will be taken out in the first 30 minutes by cruise missiles and stealth bombers. Saddam had much better integrated air defence coverage in 1991 and look what happened.

Does this mean that Iran cannot defend itself? No, absolutely not, it will just be with means other than the nonexistent "military might" that you bragged about (lied through your teeth). Like retaliation aginst population centers, and creating enough trouble to sent the price of oil much higher because of fear, increased supports for Iraqi and Afghan insergents, etc. Otherwise Israel would have attacked years ago.

-Fair

correct me Fair?

Fair, you and I don't have the same level of dislike/hatred for IRI .... but I believe if Iran is attacked and it (Iran) performs as poorly as Iraq did ...., we will both be equally sad. Correct me if I am wrong?

Abarmard

You are the one who said "they have learned certain strategies" and have "developed weapons to suit those strategies", not me.

The discussion was in repsonse to the false assertion that Iran has the strongest military might in the region. UAE and SA can bomb and destroy Iranian airfields and Iran cannot do the same back. Same goes for Turkey. So clearly Iran has huge weaknesses militarily and cannot be considered to have huge military might. Now does that mean that these countries will go bomb Iran tomorrow? No, because

1) they have better things to do (it is not in their interest)

2) the non military (political, economic) repercussions are substantial

So once again, many countries in the region can damage Iran substantially whereas Iran cannot reciprocate, but Iran has other (non military) means of deterrence- for now. until it gets nukes.

That is why everybody is up in arms about preventing Iran from getting nukes, you don't see anybody complaining about Iran's "conventional military threat".

-Fair

YMJ

YMJ, hope you are right, and if Iran is attacked by the main military corporate fascist or its local branch ..... the "mother of all battles" of Saddam Hossein (pure khAli bandi) is not replayed!

Vildemose

Yes, you are right. These guys are the losers that Milani so eloquently responded to. Looks like the IRI is indeed on the propaganda offensive. They perhaps don't realize it is too late- they sealed their own fate, and it is a matter of time now....

While they rape and torture innocent Iranians, they go around the internet trying to pretend they are a "normal" government with just the "usual" problems.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

-Fair

ymj

the real enemy of IRAN has a white or black turban  w/black or brown aaba and naalieen and always put goolab on his beards to keep flies away.      Maziar

shad zee

There are different variations of the S-300.. Iran has 1 of them

There are different variations of teh S-300 and iran has one of them.

Now you'r clearly not very bright to understand how politics works.

Neither Russia nor Iran would want more pressure on them by announcing they have completed the deal.

But the reality is they signed the contract over 2 years ago and Russia has numerous times said that "its not in violations of international law to sell defencive wepaons"

 You'r question was "how can iran defend it self|"

Iran is more than capable of defending itself.

That is why a neo-con, warmongering and criminal like George Bush, who loves war (its in the family) refused to sign the permission to allow its client state (Zionst Regime) to attack Iran.

They are now working to undermine the Iranian government because they can not handle them militarly.

TOR M1, BUK, S-200 and even the S-300 .

Iran's airspace is well fortified. Not only because of the weapons that you KNOW they ahve, but because of the weapons you DONT know they have .

Im clearly Iranian.. shoma ke asan farsi balad neisti chi?

You dont even speak farsi..

Man kamellan irani hastam..

The zionist on this board keep attacking me because i bring facts tha they are not comfortable with.

Like the 400 million dollars America allocated to overthrow my countries government.

Fair

You and I can't know it all and I am not going to argue that in case of a war who would win. That's a foolish argument, but the issue to consider is that Iran is not a joke and fighting against Iran is not easy. To your point that UAE or SA can fight Iran, I have to disagree. US and Israel are the only powers present in the region capable of truly damaging Iran.

Besides I know that Iranians generally are clever and have a good background in strategic thinking. They will come up with ways that perhaps unthinkable now.

YMJ, maybe Fair has a point

YMJ, ...., you can look at what Fair says in a positive way. Personally because of what I have read from those who point to deficiencies of Iranian military I have concluded that the only way Iran can (in short term) implement deterrence is with nukes.... As we have heard over and over again, Iraq was attacked because it did not have the nukes and N. Korea is not attacked because it has them!

I hope Iran has the nukes, or it is nuke capable, ..., or gets the capability soon.

YMJ you are uninformed AND an IRI goon

So your question is invalid.

First you lie through your teeth. Then you send personal attacks. Then when all else fails, you say "Israel!".

You have no clue about military matters, and are so clueless to think the hezbollah "strategy' can work in Iran's situation.

What a joke.

-Fair

Thank you for the pointers Abarmard

I have many of them and have read them extensively. You have to define "Iranian military". If you mean regular military, it is very limited, both in the air and on the ground. It has large infantry, and that is about it. If you mean IRGC, then its capability is like I said earlier, through proxies and hitting soft targets in the region. Yes, Iran is not a weak country, but that is not because of its military. It is because of its size, economic and energy presence, influence in the region, geographic location, and mistakes of its enemies (like the US getting itself bogged down in Iraq, etc.). But this strategy can go only so far, and Iran is playing with fire today. It is no surprise that it is going after nuclear weapons, its conventional capability is not nearly adequate to provide security in the long term.

-Fair

Dear Fair: I think you're

Dear Fair: I think you're needed here. This is their official site.

There are many anti-Iran, pro IRI articles on that site. It's sickening.

These two need to be taking to task because they are very influenctial in the State Department.

//www.raceforiran.com/the-obama-administration-moves-toward-regime-change-in-its-iran-policy

YMJ doesn't sound Iranian

YMJ doesn't sound Iranian to me... Perhaps he is part of that 4500 goons who were sent by Hizballah to IRan to torture, rape, and maim Iranina protesters.

He defines Iranians the way a Hizballahi or militant Islamist Khomeinist does.