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Is a Military Strike Against Iran On the Cards?
25-Jun-2008
Bolton's prediction is, at least in part, consonant with those of Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker series on the administration's plans to attack Iran, spearheaded by the vice-president, Dick Cheney's office. Former UN weapons inspector, Scott Ritter's pronouncements also seem to side with the conviction that the Bush administration is staunchly committed to an attack on Iran before the end of the president's term, irrespective of its repercussions for the region, Iranian civilians (obviously), American troops based in Iraq and Afghanistan, oil prices and the global economy. The only question remaining, is whether it will be Israel or the United States that carries out the dastardly deed.
The obvious key difference which separates Bolton from Hersh and Ritter, is that the former has for some time been vociferously calling for an attack on Iran on Fox News and other sympathetic venues and railing against the administration's lack of 'resolve' when it comes to Iran. While at present, it's undeniable that a storm is brewing and pressure has intensified on Iran as the two presidential nominees square off and the twilight of Bush’s presidency lies on the horizon.
Though predominantly anecdotal (there are some articles which I've linked below), I've been told by numerous individuals, friends and relatives who regularly conduct business transactions internationally from inside of Iran, that the present sanctions are seriously hampering Iran's economic health, prospects etc... and have had a terrible impact far beyond Iran's nuclear activities or the personnel associated with it. I don't know of any full-length study which has been undertaken to demonstrate the wider effects of the current sanctions regime on the Iranian economy, so if anyone knows of one, please let me know.
The UAE has thus far acted like an economic lifeline, and much trade is first 'laundered' via the UAE before reaching Iran; but the Americans are bringing serious pressure to bear on the Emirati authorities to curb 'illicit trade' with Iranian companies. This week the European Union passed a new series of sanctions targeting Iranian financial institutions and most importantly Iran's Bank-e-Melli. What is being undertaken on all fronts by the so-called 'international community' i.e. the US and its European cheerleader squad, is nothing less than an asymmetrical effort to buttress the economic stranglehold on the Iranian economy in the hope of coercing Iran into divesting itself of the right to enrich uranium, guaranteed by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. No wonder that some are exclaiming that sanctions are merely warfare by other means. Clausewitz would have undoubtedly seen the parallel with his own dictum that 'war is a continuation of politics by other means' very quickly, although in this case it's a matter of economic warfare waged by means of sanctions, psychological warfare through the ceaseless threat of military force and even 'obliteration', and finally the very real and tangible threat of coercion in the form of military maneuvers, by both American warships in the Gulf and Israeli F-16s over the Mediterranean.
The choice we face is whether we are going to voice our opposition to yet another foreign policy and morally bankrupt disaster or applaud while the bombs fall and innocents are torn limb from limb. If and when a strike does occur, we can be sure Bolton will applaud, do a little dance and throw in a couple of 'hell yeahs', all in the name of 'liberty', 'justice' and 'security' for Israel...errr...I mean the world...
Telegraph.co.uk:
Israel 'will attack Iran' before new US president sworn in, John Bolton predicts
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last updated: 9:50 AM BST 24/06/2008
John Bolton, the former American ambassador to the United Nations, has predicted that Israel could attack Iran after the November presidential election but before George W Bush's successor is sworn in.
The Arab world would be "pleased" by Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities, he said in an interview with The Daily Telegraph.
"It [the reaction] will be positive privately. I think there'll be public denunciations but no action," he said.
Mr Bolton, an unflinching hawk who proposes military action to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons, bemoaned what he sees as a lack of will by the Bush administration to itself contemplate military strikes.
"It's clear that the administration has essentially given up that possibility," he said. "I don't think it's serious any more. If you had asked me a year ago I would have said I thought it was a real possibility. I just don't think it's in the cards."
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Devil's due
by Fred on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:55 PM PDTPlease lets pay the devils their due, the swearing to Allah atheists/agnostics, should the situation call for it even Gnostics, are “liberal democrat” too. That Islamist/Anti-Semitic lefty thing that they have for a certain Middle East entity and the aversion to the changing of the status quo in another entity is the culmination of their well anchored solid stellar beliefs.
Sadegh: Interesting that you
by abc (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:50 PM PDTSadegh: Interesting that you bring up the Realpolitik. I wonder if you afford the same kind of understanding when the US employs the same thing.
No need to reply!
P.S. I'm glad you have no desire to visit the US.
ZioNazis are the worst criminals
by Mehdi on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:50 PM PDTCompared to them, mullahs are just little cute babies. But ZioNazis do it covertly. Just look at how Fred and Zion are doing it here. They never get involved directly because they are cowards. It takes courage, even on the Internet, to state your true intentions and opinions. Unlike Mr. sadegh here, Fred and Zion, along with Anonymouse500 cannot afford openness because their intentions are far too sick to mention.
Zion
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 04:04 PM PDTI was beginning to wonder, when you would show up. Will this be another of your hit and runs?
Some of us were beginning to miss you. I won't say who though. hahaha
Aren't you an athiest too? I seem to remember you stating this some where on the web site.
Anyway, we need to focus on the politics and not get dragged into a religious debate.
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
Q and Sadegh: Do you approve
by questions? (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:37 PM PDTQ and Sadegh:
Do you approve of Islamic Republic's foreign policies toward the US??
If yes, do you think the Islamic Republic should use its military and other resources (proxy militias and arab merecenaries) to wage a "just" war against the US to kick the "Great and Little Satans" out of the Middle East?
LOL
by Zion on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:33 PM PDTFred you have poked the old bunch of whiners again. They simply don't want to acknowledge what you said at the beginning: There are not only two alternatives. This question is loaded and deliberately manipulative. You poked this baloon and they just won't stop making noise to cover it up.
Good job!
PS. Don't you find it nice to see so many periodic self-acclaimed "atheists" everyonce in a while in this camp.
1) Do you support this
by sadegh on Wed Jun 25, 2008 03:37 PM PDT1) Do you support this regime in Iran? Yes, or no?
No. I repudiate the Shah also...
2) Do you consider the IRI as a legitimate regime? Yes or no?
As an atheist and a liberal democrat. A categorical NO...Nor do I advocate jingoistic and extreme racist ethnocentrism as advocated by the petit-bourgeois Pahlavi regime, which was also an illegitimate dictatorial regime.
3) Do you agree with the rest of the world that IRI has committed many crimes against innocent Iranians in Iran and outside of the country? Yes or no?
Yes. Also one word: SAVAK. Amnesty made the Shah's crimes against humanity patently clear also.
4) Do you agree with Ahmadi Nejad that "Hollocaust is a myth"? Yes or no?
No. Anti-Semitism makes me fucking sick...
5) Do you agree with the International Human Right Groups and Organizations that the IRI has massacred thousands of Iranian political prisoners in 1988 on the direct order of Khoemini? Yes or no?
Yes
6) Do agree with those who believe that Khomeini was a criminal who killed thousands of innocent Iranians when he was in power (1979-1989)? Yes or no?
I have not seen much if any evidence of DIRECT orders from Khomeini - show me where they are and I'll gladly concede that the man HIMSELF is responsible for mass murder. Apparently, it was Khomeini who gave Rafsanjani the order to massacre all those prisoners held in Iran's jails in the late '80s. It's not that I doubt the charges but I would like to see the evidence for myself. If you can tell me where I can find credible documentary evidence then without hesitation I answer 'yes', the man was a dictatorial, reactionary criminal...I don't judge on the basis of hearsay or the ramblings of emigres in Tehrangeles, who approve of torture as long as they're in power and so are not the victims...A tentative 'yes' from me on this one...
7) Do you believe that Ali Khaemenehi is a criminal who has killed many inncoent Iranians? Yes or no?
Same holds as for Khomeini...Though, as I said I would like to see more documentary evidence that he gave direct orders calling for mass murder...it's hardly a minor charge...Seeing that he's in charge of the Baseej, Sepah et al., I have little reason to doubt the charges, I would just prefer to see evidence that he gave such orders...Many people say that Khamene'i is responsible for the death of Ahmad Khomeini, but where's the evidence? We all know that Iranians are famous for ghaibat and conspiracy theories...But at least tentatively a 'yes' on this one...
8) Do you believe that the IRI, instead of managing Iran's mounting problems, meddles in the affairs of Afganistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon, and Pleastine? Yes or no?
Sure, but the evidence in the case of Iraq is shaky at best, and the US has 1000 bases in over 150 countries, so what's your point? Pakistani and Saudi interference in Afghanistan is far more significant. Where do you think the Taliban and Arab Afghans came from for crying out loud? Certainly not Iran. Personally, I'm against interference by states in the sovereign affairs of other nations, but then again Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine are not sovereign nations, but American and Israeli appendages...
9) Do you support these meddling of the IRI in the affairs of these countries instead of trying to resolve Iran's problems? Yes or no?
I think that the government should concentrate on its own nation's problems. But one can espy the rationale from a realpolitik perspective (which I reject) i.e. the expansion of Iran's influence in the region, as all the regional states and states around the globe are perpetually jockeying to expand their spheres of influence and achieve self-aggrandizement...It was fine when the Shah told the UAE to fuck off regarding the Greater and Lesser Tunbs and Abu Musa, so why all the fuss now about the IRI's advocacy of realpolitik and a philosophy of 'might is right'? To repeat: I am not a fan of realpolitik in the normative sense, but to some extent accept that it's a reality of the conduct of geopolitics...
10) If you were given a choice between living in Iran under the IRI or living in the USA under any US President, including George W. Bush, which one would you choose? Iran or USA?
I'm in Iran and have the option of going to the US but prefer not to, and never intend to do so. Europe is my home away from home and I'm there frequently.
11) If you decided not to answer any of these questions, would you be willing to concede the fact that what you have written so far is nothing but empty rehtoric? Yes or no?
All answered...If you're against an attack on Iran what's your problem? I never stated that opposition to war entailed support for the IRI. Stop creating straw men, it's a waste of my time and your own...
Best, Sadegh
With all due respect, your
by American Wife (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:49 PM PDTWith all due respect, your post did not say "government" anywhere. Your post said exactly as was quoted. My comment was in exact response to that statement. I DON'T have the answers to your question. I repeat that I think that they are good questions. And I still look forward to responses from those best qualified to answer them.
Arbamard... I almost have to laugh. You've somehow surmised or assumed that I support this government's decisions. I'm about as anti-Bush/Cheney as they get. I will speak my opinions with my vote. I will continue to hope that this country will maintain some sanity for the next several months. I will forever support freedom of choice... freedom of speech and freedom of religion. With no disrespect to yourself or Natalia, one doesn't DESERVE respect, one earns it. This implies in NO way that you or she doesn't deserve it... you are free to determine that for yourself. I am simply responding... perhaps with some resentment, not anger... to another generalization made on my behalf. And to clarify again, Natalia's comment made reference to "they" as in the US and Israel. If her intentions were the government, she should have been clearer. I might also point out that she doesn't speak for the government either. It's made up of LOTS of people... many MANY that do care. This generalizing IS a personal pet-peeve of mine.
I'm sure you know what ASSUME stands for.
To end on a humorous note... because while my intention is NEVER to offend but merely to be FAIR... my husband has a very unique way of paying his respects to the Islamic Republic.
Fred..I'm sorry but
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:18 PM PDTI don't understand what you are trying to say.
Q, sadegh or Abarmard.......do you guys know what he is saying?
I don't want to make any assumptions.
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
Questions for Mr. Sadegh
by Anonymous500 (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:12 PM PDTTo Mr. Sadegh:
No Iranian of honor and sense of love for his/her country wants Iran be bombed. Period. There is no one among Iranians on this BB who has ever wished this.
No men or women of humanity, logic, and sense of justice including Iranians would want USA, or any other state to bomb Iran, or any other country in the world.
No men or women of honor, integrity, and justice including Iranians would support the bombing of any innocent people, be it in Iraq, Iran, Isreal, Palestine, Gaza Strip, New York, or wht have you.
No men or women of honor, intelligence, logic and justice including Iranaians would deny that the Nazi Germany committed crimes against Humanity by murdering six million innocent Jews because they professed adherence to this faith.
All men and women of honor, integrity, logic and justice including Iranians would want and support a peaceful settlement of the Isreali-Palestinian issue based on Two-state soultions.
All men and women of honor, logic, intelligence and justice including Iranians would denounce any form of terrorism, be it on the side of the state or groups, be it against innocent Isrealies, or innocent Palestenians.
All men and women of honor, integrity, intleigence and justice including Iranians who know a thing or two about the present regime in Iran would support the idea that this regime is doomed and it has to either be toppled by oour people, or it better voluntarily leave power before it is too late.
Now The Questions to you Mr. Sadegh:
1) Do you support this regime in Iran? Yes, or no?
2) Do you consider the IRI as a legitimate regime? Yes or no?
3) Do you agree with the rest of the world that IRI has committed many crimes against innocent Iranians in Iran and outside of the country? Yes or no?
4) Do you agree with Ahmadi Nejad that "Hollocaust is a myth"? Yes or no?
5) Do you agree with the International Human Right Groups and Organizations that the IRI has massacred thousands of Iranian political prisoners in 1988 on the direct order of Khoemini? Yes or no?
6) Do agree with those who believe that Khomeini was a criminal who killed thousands of innocent Iranians when he was in power (1979-1989)? Yes or no?
7) Do you believe that Ali Khaemenehi is a criminal who has killed many inncoent Iranians? Yes or no?
8) Do you believe that the IRI, instead of managing Iran's mounting problems, meddles in the affairs of Afganistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon, and Pleastine? Yes or no?
9) Do you support these meddling of the IRI in the affairs of these countries instead of trying to resolve Iran's problems? Yes or no?
10) If you were given a choice between living in Iran under the IRI or living in the USA under any US President, including George W. Bush, which one would you choose? Iran or USA?
11) If you decided not to answer any of these questions, would you be willing to concede the fact that what you have written so far is nothing but empty rehtoric? Yes or no?
Thw why question
by Fred on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:11 PM PDTThe answer to the question why, as far as I understand it, was given in this manner, and quoting my admittedly not worth quoting self “Comparing Shah’s tyranny with that of Islamist republic is the apples and oranges thing with the added difference that the oranges are squeezed so much so that their pulp is pulverized.” In another word the level of tyranny is such that no one can duplicate that which was done to the Shah’s tyranny. The logjam is nothing new in this type of tyranny where people are constantly kept petrified with public hanging, stoning and alike and need moral and material support to break the logjam. That is why regime apologists like to couch any call for regime removal in “are you for war or not”, as though skinning this Islamist cat has only the war option involved.
American Wife.....I shall define myself for you
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:30 PM PDTthen I expect the same courtesy from you.
First let us begin with your other questions.
Please define who "they" is
They are the U.S. and Israeli government.
I'm an American... I'm not an opportunist...
I did not call all Americans opportunist. Only the government.
I DO care about Iran and Iranians
I did not say that you did not care about Iran and Iranians. Only the governments.
It is good to know that you feel this way since you are married to an Iranian. If I recall correctly, he does not like the IRI but many Iranians feel this way. (Now, which flag, was it that he took outside and damaged?)
I assume that with such opinionated views about what this country will do in the future and GOD FORBID that it is war against Iran, that you speak out in a more public forum. Make your voice heard where it counts, not just where it "sounds good".
I most certainly do. I hope that you do as well.
I have been on this web site since April of 2007 trying to find the answers to the following questions. All I have seen is personal attacks.
"Why have they not changed it? What are they waiting for? Who are they waiting for?"
Personal attacks will not help anyone gain a better understanding of what is happening in Iran.
I was born in Mexico.
I was raised in Texas since the age of three.
All my education has been in Texas.
I am considered a Mexican-American.
I am accultured.
I never assimilated into the North American culture.
I was raised a Christian.
I still believe in one true God.
I feel that religion is a personal matter.
I don't follow any specific political party.
I was actually raised non-political.
PS: If you want to get to know me further, simply read my blogs or two articles.
Dear American Wife
by Abarmard on Wed Jun 25, 2008 02:07 PM PDTFrom your tone of words one gathers anger. I would say stay calm and allow anyone to speak their beliefs. Natalia is a kind human and you should have a lot of respect for her.
You may not agree that the US and Israeli policy makers have made many atrocious acts that has caused many lives destroyed. It's happening today in Iraq. Are you disputing that or just believing that the higher being, Mr. Bush, has an ultimate plan and all these have been done to better the man kind?
Sad to see that after all these years and million lives murdered, sticking their heads in the sand.
See this and enjoy:
//iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/iraq-o...
Natalia
by American Wife (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:53 PM PDT"I don't hate the U.S. or Israel but I am not blind to what they are doing. They don't truly care about Iran and/or Iranians. They are opportunists."
Please define who "they" is. When you've done that, define who YOU are. I understand that you're going to say you're a humanitarian again. All well and good. But WHO are you? I'm an American... I'm not an opportunist... I DO care about Iran and Iranians. Please be cautious of the words you use. Let's not "generalize" again on such a sensitive subject. I expect that with such strong views about what "they" do and feel, that you make your voice heard in the country that you live in. I assume that you vote. I assume that with such opinionated views about what this country will do in the future and GOD FORBID that it is war against Iran, that you speak out in a more public forum. Make your voice heard where it counts, not just where it "sounds good".
"Why have they not changed it? What are they waiting for? Who are they waiting for?"
Ok... playing devil's advocate again... why not let someone else answer that question if Fred doesn't want to or doesn't have the answer. It's a damn good question. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks is the solution.
Abarmard.....
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:45 PM PDTI am doing well. I have some possible good job prospects. I'm very excited about them. Things are slowly but surely coming together. :o)
How about we call me Natalia for short. Can you believe that my name is actually longer than what you posted. hahaha
I hope that things are going well for you also.
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
Can someone please sort out
by sadegh on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:44 PM PDTCan someone please sort out the paragraphs and delete the link - they've all bunched up since the video has been embedded and I am no longer able to since the entry has been changed by one of the admins. AND FRED FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, ANSWER THE QUESTION...ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF A MILITARY ATTACK AGAINST IRAN, YES OR NO??????
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
Fred: That's exactly what the IRI says!
by Q on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:40 PM PDTwho knew Ahmadinejad would end up being a Barry Goldwater conservative, huh?
I wonder if you ever "pondered" that America should have dropped nuclear bombs on Vietnam, just like the author of the quote believed. "Humanity" is truly an Orwellian way of putting it. But hey, we're not used to anything less from you.
Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez
by Abarmard on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:35 PM PDTlol I know. I think there is a recorder with a voice recognition software ;)
Regardless about the non important issues, how have you been?
Well it is clear that
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:30 PM PDTFred will not provide any answers. Only riddles and changing the subject. Best wishes,
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
Certification of humanity
by Fred on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:25 PM PDTThe presumably aged Islamist/Anti-Semites leaning lefties constantly advertizing the existence of an ersatz “democracy” in the Islamist republic should really ponder this well known quote “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!” within this narrow context being an extrimist is humanity certified.
Hope they won't attack
by Abarmard on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:04 PM PDTMr. Fred you are an extremist and that's no good in anyones book, especially those who want to get rid of the extremist regime of Iran (And US at the present).
Extremism or neo conservatism is not good for any country, they are based on religious or fanatical ideologies and fanaticism is the problem the world is facing today, which is not exclusive to Islam.
If you like the policies of president Bush and Cheney, you then must LOVE the policies of Ahmadinejad and his gangs. Except the geopolitical differences, you can't argue that they are vastly separated by the core ideologies.
If you like to have a moderate regime or system in Iran, then you should want the same for a country of your residence.
Somethings don't add up when one is a hypocrite. I hope that you will learn that as you become older.
On the issue of war I am just hoping that this is all for the sake of the oil companies and Bushies wanting to get their hands on the long awaited off shore oil in the beautifully natural part of the US.
If the U.S. attacks Iran
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 01:17 PM PDTAll the Iranians would band together to defend their country and family. Fred, don't you see that it would be a step backwards. It would give the IRI the strength that they need.
What would you do, if your family was threatened? Would you welcome the attacker/invader? Would you instead defend them, with your very last breath?
You need to set aside your pain, sorrow and hate. You need to think objectively. You need to take the blinders off. I don't hate the U.S. or Israel but I am not blind to what they are doing.
They don't truly care about Iran and/or Iranians. They are opportunists.
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
Fred, distributing falsehood, evading answers
by Mehdi on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:51 PM PDTFred is simply a covert supporter and advocate of murdering millions of Iranians. He will never say that Iranians must not be murdered. Could it be because he is shy? He also will never agree that there is any slightest fault that Israel may possibly, God forbid have. Israel is beyond criticism. And anybody who says anything negative about Israel should be murdered because of some made up disease called anti-semitism, which really means anti-occupiers or anti-ZioNazis.
Where is any evidence of "pulverized pulp?" This is the same propaganda that started the Holocaust. They advertised how bad the Jews were, how they were the source of all problems anywhere, etc. without any evidence. They knew loud advertising was enough - no evidence was necessary. There are millions of Iranians living outside of Iran and millions inside are struggling to improve the regime. If the George W or the ZioNazis had even the slightest interest in improving conditions in Iran, it would be so easy to do that a five year old child could do it. But they keep using falsehood and demonazing because their masters need cheaper oil and also need to sell those weapons. Somebody has to buy them. The ZioNazis and the neocons and the rest of the criminals plan and put in place Islamic regimes so that they can then have a very valid justification for selling their weapons and murdering masses - just as they planted Saddam in Iraq and later used him as an excuse to invade that country and they still blame the whole disaster on one person - Saddam! Mullahs may be stupid but they are NOT, in general, as criminal as ZioNazis and the imperialist or the neocon or whatever they call themselves these days.Israel itself is not even at the top of the food chain - they are just a bunch of terrified souls who think everybody is trying to destroy them and they know they have no friend in the whole world so they have no choice but rely on murdering everybody else before anybody will have a chance to make thier fears come true. They are the real animals.
Stop dodging the question:
by sadegh on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:36 PM PDTStop dodging the question: are you for a military strike against Iran or not? ANSWER THE QUESTION. Stop deflecting...
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
Dear Fred, Why don't you just answer my questions
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:48 PM PDTinstead of name calling? I never compared the Shah with the IRI. They have different political ideologies. Stop! Applying your biases unto me.
I seriously want to know the What? Who? Why? You can disagree with me all you want. I don't care! I do care to find out the answers to the questions that I asked.
If you don't have the answers then just say so and stop changing the subject and accussing whomever and whatever.
By the way the day that I do go to Iran, I will not be there as a tourist. I will be doing some volunteer work with women and children. It is who I am. I could not just stand by and see the suffering.
I also did not ask if you were for war or not? I don't care!
Solh va Doosti
Natalia
"Zionists" did it
by Fred on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:23 PM PDTAlvarez, as soon as you gain the decidedly not recommended experience of living under the Islamist republic’s rule for a while, not as tourist visiting the Potemkin villages, then you will instantly know the answer to your legitimate question. Comparing Shah’s tyranny with that of Islamist republic is the apples and oranges thing with the added difference that the oranges are squeezed so much so that their pulp is pulverized. As for the “Zionist” did it chap with 20/20 eyesight, thanks for the info, perhaps you can share it with the fellow Islamist/Anti-Semites and their like minded lefty allies who are in the market for such gems. They also could use your help, when they get cornered, in sprucing up the old and tired trap of if you don’t agree with them they pull out the standard question of are you for war or not?
Re: Mehdi I absolutely agree
by abc (not verified) on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:13 PM PDTRe: Mehdi
I absolutely agree with you.
Iranians also need to understand that the West's desire is to keep the Middle East backward and in chaos using Islam and their lackeys, the ayatollahs, the Sheiks, from Sistani, Khameni, to all those other prominent sunni sheikhs.
Fred, so are you for a
by sadegh on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:00 PM PDTFred, so are you for a military strike on Iran or not? Straight answer please. The implication of your 'analogy' is 'YES'. Previously, you said you weren't in favor of one, but I think you were being wholly disingenuous since you know full-well how unpopular the idea is amongst the vast majority of Iranians. How very duplicitous of you, but then again, I'm not at all surprised...
And there is another route for dealing with the IRI and regular human rights offenders - i.e. targeted sanctions against those who commit the crimes, not Iranians civilians as was the case in Iraq with truly horrendous results.
//www.eterazonline.com/2008/06/whats-iraqi-or-iranian-life-worth.html
Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh
Fred's blindness
by Mehdi on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:58 AM PDTFred appears completely unaware that the "Islamist" regime was brought into power INTENTIONALLY by the CIA and their cohorts, the ZioNazis. Israel had no issue with Iran going to war with Iraq. Israel was not concerned at all about how many women got stoned to death as long as their weapons were purchased. Israel has had spies creating situations in Iran for at least 60 years now. But Fred thinks that a couple of mullahs and their backwards way could generate such an intense power. No, I am afraid killing millions of mullahs will change NOTHING. Because the real criminals who are supporting this type of regime in the area are the weapons manufacturers, the oild bloodsuckers and the likes. No amount of bombing has ever changed anything ANYWHERE. It is only falsehood and propaganda that makes it SEEM like such actions worked. 400 years of "Crusades" was all supposed to be a war on evil (terrorism). The whole of WWI and WWII and the Vietnam war and Korea, etc, was all hoaxes and they are still being advertised with 90% falsehood to make it look like such disasters "were necessary" for the good of mankind. Today they advertise that if we had not acted fast the world would have been destroyed by Nazis. But the facts are that companies made huge profit - AMERICAN companies! So, Fred needs to open his eyes and get away from Radio Israel for at least 5 minutes a day and see the real people.
They did it once and can do it again....
by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:41 AM PDTDear Fred,
The Iranian people wanted the Shah removed and put the Islamist into power. The Iranian people are very capable of removing the Islamist and creating a secular democratic parliamentary form of government.
Even now, there are demonstrations and grass roots organizations (in hiding) that are very active. One that is not in hiding is what some call "the feminist movement".
There are 70+ million Iranians in Iran that can change the current government in Iran.
Why have they not changed it? What are they waiting for? Who are they waiting for?
Solh va Doosti
Natalia