There is a possibility that soon we may have a war in Iran. This war could be a nuclear war. Even a non nuclear bunker busting bomb on a nuclear facility could scatter enough material, or get into the water system in a way that could kill millions. The Iranian regime no doubt would use the population as human shields and would look for a high casualty rate to win a propaganda war. In a state of War, they may place their opposition in camps and start killing them.
In a state of War they would not care what the International community thinks.The best way to fight this regime is to extend the opposition to outside the country so that Human rights are not used as a bargaining chip.There are two ways to do this and I have already started this action but need support:
1. Organize events that capture media attention so that Iranians are seen as champions of Human rights, these would be marches, mini marathons, flashmob events, concerts etc.
2. Take legal action to show the power of your Human rights lobby group.If you are interested please join these groups, and sign our petition:
//www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=207038596501
//www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=229986451112
We can take action if we have the numbers, so please encourage your friends to join.
Thank you, and Merry Christmas.
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Mate
by Nur-i-Azal on Sat Dec 26, 2009 07:31 PM PSTThe citations you are quoting are wrong. I've quoted you from sources you can double check for yourself for accuracy that corrects that information accordingly. What is the problem? Trying to prove preconceived notions with bad or partial evidence is not good methodology or science of any description.
Thanks for playing yourself. And may you find peace, up over!
Good luck to you Nur-i-Azal
by MM on Sat Dec 26, 2009 07:22 PM PSTOK buddy,
You even forgot what said before and arguing against yourself?
As my best friend used to say "all books and refererences are wrong. I guess you are right"! Naaaaaat.
Thank for your participation. May you find peace, down under.
Response
by Nur-i-Azal on Sat Dec 26, 2009 03:32 PM PSTNo, that is not what I wrote. Read again what I wrote. I wrote that the Young Turks regime that took over the Ottoman state under its Committee of Union and Progress in 1908/1909, and was resposnible for the Armenian genocide of 1915, was a secular Pan-Turkish regime:
....[the] guiding principle for the Young Turks was the transformation of their society into one in which religion played no consequential role. In this ultra-secular and somewhat materialistic structure, science
was to replace religion. However, the Young Turks soon recognized the
difficulty of spreading this idea and began suggesting that IslamMuslimsocialism,
this was an extremely difficult endeavor. Although some former members
of the CUP continued to make efforts in this field after the revolution of 1908, they were severely denounced by the Ulema, who accused them of "trying to change Islam into another form and create a new religion while calling it Islam"
1. Was the Ottoman Empire a theocracy? The overwhelming 23000 answers were YES, e.g., See
The answer is technically, no, the Ottoman state was not a theocracy as that termed is technically defined. It is was an imperial state with a state religion and ideology where the Sultan also claimed to be the caliph of Islam. No reputable historian of the Ottoman empire has, however, ever defined the Ottoman empire as a theocracy, since that term has some definite features that were missing under the Ottomans. If you do that, then you are also obliged to define Tsarist Russia as well as the Habsburg empire (which technically claimed to be successor of the Holy Roman empire of Charlemagne) to also be a theocracy.
since it seems obvious that all religions, when given political power,
will abuse it. The examples of forced displacements, abuses and
genocide are just overwhelming. And, I am not just talking about
Islam.
No disagreement there. But I will go one better: any absolutist ideology (religious or secular, eg. Marxism) when given political power will abuse it. Period!
I note you had nothing to say about my other counter-examples rebutting your unsourced examples other than the Armenian genocide.
Theocratic Ottomans caused Armenian Genocide (1.x million)
by MM on Sat Dec 26, 2009 01:57 AM PSTDear Nuri,
Again, I am not a religious scholar, but I did look up one of the genocide examples I had found in more detail, mainly the Armenian Genocide.
You wrote that the Ottoman Empire was a secular society, did not agree with the numbers and the fact that it was genocide. I did a search on the relationship between the Ottomans and theocracy, Armenian Genocide and the numbers that perished:
1. Was the Ottoman Empire a theocracy? The overwhelming 23000 answers were YES, e.g., See
“The Ottoman Empire - the greatest of empires in the 1500s -- was ruled by a sultan who was commander-in-chief of the military and looked upon his male subjects as soldiers of Islam.*”
“The Ottoman Empire was a theocracy, with the sultans dedicated to the advance of Islam -- the Sunni branch of Islam -- through military means.*”
2. Armenian Genocide (1190000 hits) with the majority of the sites agreeing that it was genocide
“The Armenian Genocide is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.[11]. “
“To date, twenty countries have officially recognized the events of the period as genocide, and most genocide scholars and historians accept this view.[13][14][15][16] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities were founded as a result of the Armenian genocide.”
3. How many Armenians perished in the genocide? (211000 hits) The numbers varied but most estimates hovered around 1.2-1.5 million Armenians killed in various massacres and marches.
I will not spend any more time on this discussion since it seems obvious that all religions, when given political power, will abuse it. The examples of forced displacements, abuses and genocide are just overwhelming. And, I am not just talking about Islam.
What a joke...
by ramin parsa on Sat Dec 26, 2009 01:02 AM PSTYou act as if Australia doesn't have very current connections to "Londonistan." Read between the lines, you humor-less drone. In fact, whose picture is STILL on some of your bank notes (money) down under, bub?
Could it be the Queen of England???
In fact, unlike the fiercly proud and independent United States of America (thanks to George Washington, Alexander Hamilton and co.), after all these years, Australia is still (and sadly) one big "Londonistan," still bowing to the British royal family halfway across the world.
And you're wrong again... or you just love to argue. As I stated earlier, I've been back to Iran no less than 6 times since 1977. I listed the summers earlier, go look them up.
I already wrote why Irandokht is a divisive cancer... because she's a heartless IRI apologist. Or can't you read anything other than propaganda material written by "Islamists" like Marshall Hodgson?
ramin parsa
by Nur-i-Azal on Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:38 PM PSTI knew you were from Londonistan.
Bbbeeeeeeepppp! Wrong answer! The correct answer is OZLANDISTAN (aka Australia). Mate, this seems to be a pattern with you now.Wrong answers everywhere, up, down and sideways. Get a grip and crack open a real book!
And what's your beef with Irandokht? At least she's set foot in Iran much more recently than 1977!
Irandokht and Azal
by ramin parsa on Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:11 PM PSTThe monumentally deceptive Irandokht writes, "unlike you, I have no doubt that NIAC is working for Iranian-Americans' best interest and also the Iranians in Iran."
And I have absolutely no doubt that you're an IRI apologist, and that's probably why RaminTork implies that you're a bitterly divisive force... a poison, in fact (much like acid) for a united call to action.
Azal: "Bollocks." I knew you were from Londonistan.
Young Turks/twisting history
by Nur-i-Azal on Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:04 PM PSTI know for a fact that, even now, Armenians are still pretty angry
about what happened to the Armenian minority inside the Ottoman empire
in the late 1800s
The Young Turks regime who were ultimately responsible for the Armenian genocide in Turkey where technically secularists and Pan-Turkish nationalists, not Muslims. The Armenian genocide by the Turks had a decisively ethnic cleansing component, and barely a religious one, because under the Ottoman system of millets the Armenians were a protected religious and ethnic community/minority by the office of the Sultan-Caliph as well as the Shaykh'ul-Islam. When the Young Turks came to power in 1909, one of the first things they began to do was to dismantle the institutional bases of the millet system that had kept ethnic and religious conflicts at bay through royal and religious edict established by the Tanzimat reforms of the mid 19th century. This is actual history that significantly changes the sort of blanket anti-Islamic jingoism that is masquerading here as human rights advocacy. FYI
3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971
Which technically is not genocide, but casualities during time of war.
From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians.
Bollocks! What's the source for this?
In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675.
Aurangzeb also imprisioned and starved to death his own Muslim Sufi brother, Dara Shikuh, and closed down all the Sufi hospices throughout his Moghul empire. He also had burned to death many other Sufis (i.e. Muslims) as well.
In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army.
Turkey is a secular Ataturkist nationalist state. Turkey has not had an Islamic army since religion and politics were separated by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in the 1920s. The armed forces of the Turkish Republic also swear oaths to maintain the separation of church and state. As such thisquote above is misleading.
From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims
This was a 19th century pogrom. And in Eastern Europe twice that number of Jews were massacred by Orthodox and Catholic Christians.
From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad.
Bollocks!
In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq.
This incident was not in the thousands.
Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists.
In crossfire with the Indian army.
Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979.
Who was a self-confessed fascist and had had a statue of Adolf Hitler erected in the center of Kampala during his disastrous seven year reign. Idi Amin also boasted Enoch Olinga, a Baha'i official and celebrity, as a close friend. FYI
In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria.
These 20,000 Syrians were Sunni Islamic fundamentalist insurgents who had revolted against the secular Ba'athist rule of Hafiz al-Assad in the town of Hama in southern Syria. They were after to establish an Islamic fundamentalist state in Damascus.
Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army."
You mean, Islamic fundamentalist insurgent guerilla army, since the FSI is fighting the government of Algeria and is not the actual government of Algeria.
Thanks Irandokht & Ramintork - Cuban Americans as a model for us
by MM on Fri Dec 25, 2009 09:14 PM PSTI like the civility of the arguments back and forth between the two of you (sometimes a little heated, though). I have always said that we should argue the message and not kill the messenger. Keep up the good work and we will keep on reading, and deciding for ourselves instead of someone else telling us what we should do. The model that I like to strive for is the one already in place in the Cuban-American community.
Here we are, more than 65 years after the sanctions have been imposed on Cuba, and Cuba is on the list of terrorist countries. However there are clear demarcation lines amongst 3 Cuban types:
1. The poor people of Cuba who live under tyranny.
2. The Cuban communist government who are under terror watch.
3. The Cuban-American community whose credentials as an American power lobby is without question. They argue and then act/vote as a block.
No one accuses the Cuban-American community of being agents of Castro, mainly because of their actions and political power. Right now, these demarcation lines, in the eyes of the common folks, politician, etc. are pretty fuzzy when it comes to the Iranian-Americans here, the people of Iran and the Islamist government of Iran. As one of the most educated factions of the American community, we should be able to do similarly. Some Iranians may say that all they want to do is to topple the government of Iran and go back, and that is also fine. But for many of us, we are here to stay as an Iranian-American community.
Atrocities in the name of religion, including Islam
by MM on Fri Dec 25, 2009 08:37 PM PSTHi,
I am not a religious scholar, but I looked up genocide/religion and there seems to be plenty of genocides committed in the name of religion (See below links), including Islam. In my opinion, every time someone say “I am righteous, therefore I am right” there is trouble. I can not vouch for the accuracy of all of these atrocities especially the number of causualties, but the allegations are certainly out there. However, I know for a fact that, even now, Armenians are still pretty angry about what happened to the Armenian minority inside the Ottoman empire in the late 1800s.
"Chapter contributed to a book [Genocide in the Name of God: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Berghahn Books, Oxford, UK, 2007]: Islam and Genocide: The Case of Bangladesh in 1971"
"Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army."
Full quote
by Nur-i-Azal on Thu Dec 24, 2009 06:14 PM PSTSince the Bahai Internet Agency is once again quoting things out of context, allow me to set record straight, since selective quotations, smoke, mirrors and sleights of hand is what this cabal likes doing. To wit,
"Show me a single instance in Islamic history where the kind of atrocities committed by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or those in Bosnia at the hands of Christian Serbs and Croats and in Rwanda at the hands of the Hutu and Tutsi tribesmen occured at the hands of Muslims. Show me an instance where Muslims committed the kind of mindless, wholesale genocide against entire Indigenous populations the same way Europeans committed in the Americas, Africa and Australasia."
QED
To all those who are members of an Iranian organization
by ramintork on Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:46 AM PSTIf this Blog has been thought provoking, please take the questions raised and discuss them in your community. Just as a reminder these are the questions:
1. In facing war and genocide, what is being done in creating a strong lobby to have a constant presence outside Iran and to stop Iranian Human rights being used as a political bargaining chip?
2. How does the action that so far been taken manifest itself in legal change and brings about a non-transient change? Another words how many changes have had a long term impact outside the Iranian community?
3. How much of the campaign outside Iran has captured the heart of people and not just the politicans?
4. Who on our behalf is talking with Western politicans and on what authority? If not our authority, then how can we make this our authority?
vildemose
by ramintork on Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:13 AM PSTA great link by the way. Thank you.
Watch out! Nur-i-Daghal (Azali) begs to differ
by hooshie on Thu Dec 24, 2009 04:45 AM PSTA word of caution Mr Tork. According to our resident Azali on this site:
Show me an instance where Muslims committed the kind
of mindless, wholesale genocide . .
A muslim cannot comit genocide!!
anon8: Basheh, chashb,
by vildemose on Wed Dec 23, 2009 08:43 PM PSTanon8: Basheh, chashb, behesh migam...lol
vildemose, the wests obsession IS THE PROBLEM!
by Anonymous8 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 07:54 PM PSTit is the problem in Iran and all other muslim lands.
it needs to be stopped yesterday.
nobody asked it for help. just stay out of our business. go away and take your military with you!
Help Iranians.
by vildemose on Wed Dec 23, 2009 07:32 PM PST//www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6964467.ece
Strength in numbers and diversity of approaches
by vildemose on Wed Dec 23, 2009 07:14 PM PSTWhy would anyone want to monopolize the issues of human rights in Iran?
We need to strengthen our voices in various ways instead of trying to supress them. We need not just one or two organizations. We can advance our goals by creating more organizations to bring an even higher level of visibility and public awareness of issues affecting Iranian Americans in this country and throughout the world.
Ramin jan: I'm heartned by your effort in initiating a completely transparent grass root political action committe. We should all learn to do the same. There will be many issues and challenges in the future and we cannot as community just sit and relax and expect others to do it for us.
As the saying goes, Democracy is not an spectator sport. We should learn from Americans to become active in our public life here in America.
IRANdokht
by ramintork on Wed Dec 23, 2009 06:06 PM PSTNo I'm not talking against NIAC, so please don't go on the assumption that I did and distort my Blog perception.
As stated I believe in innocence until proven guilty and I don't believe in trial by media, so if in future a court passes a judgement one way or another against or for NIAC leadership I will accept that verdict. However there is no doubt that IRI would spend millions on their own lobbies so with the US Government doing investigation into various organizations perhaps all shall be revealed. Why would thinking IRI would spend money on their lobbies is seen as a figment of my imagination?
Your link mentioned many organizations, and many of the members of these organizations are respectable individuals and have a media presence. None are taking the two steps that I mentioned i.e. create a constant presence and take legal action against for instance the European companies in selling the technology used for oppression. I know US is doing it’s own investigation and taking action but this still has not turned to a law in say Europe and certainly not related to what NIAC or other organizations asked for, is it?
I still feel that these organizations even if they promote cultural, and business interests have not provided the sort of leadership that we need in facing a war and genocide. Perhaps as members of such organizations you should ask the questions and demand the actions that I mentioned. You mentioned trust
I have made it very clear what the goals are, very clearly there is no funding for my ideas so I am not being backed by any organization, if and when we get support, the leadership would come from our own IC community so I would be happy to hand over the campaign leadership to say someone who would stay true to the goals and be chosen by our IC community if that is what the community decides.
Yes, you are right about people and their trust, conventional thinking of our traditional community requires that people stand behind a famous name be it a poet, an actor, a film director etc. People tend to pay more attention to who is taking the action rather than what is being said. If Bono of U2 arranged a march and invited millions, our Iranian community would jump along like there is no tommorow so that they would not be left out.
What I’m doing in the Human rights term is what I would call taking a ‘Rosa Parks’ type action i.e. by taking a stand and question the status quo want others to gather and form the group and make the issue their own.
What I’m saying are very valid questions, even if people decide not to stand behind my campaign they should with our nation facing war and genocide be asking about these questions. If not from me they should ask their own so call leaders the one they trust.
1. In facing war and genocide, what is being done in creating a strong lobby to have a constant presence outside Iran and to stop Iranian Human rights being used as a political bargaining chip?
2. How does the action that so far been taken manifest itself in legal change and brings about a non-transient change?
3. How much of the campaign outside Iran has captured the heart of people and not just the politicans?
When you posted the two pages in a single link claiming the re invention of the wheel, did you ask do these organizations provide the leadership and take the action as I have described it?
Were you not putting the idea forwards that all that I’m asking for is being catered for and therefore I’m wasting my breath to an audience who somewhat already seem indifferent?
Is it hot air, that since four weeks ago I have raised some serious issues that should be answered?
We have Ahmadinejad on US TV denying the times News paper report on documents showing that Iran wanting to test a nuclear trigger (true or false it does not matter, this is what is in Western perception) and you say that with being inches close to a War I am just raising hot air!
We have people going on about the size of breasts of the so and so model on IC or create one 100 variations of love and hate Islam and you come on this blog and call a demand for action just a hot air attempt?
Talking about potential for war and genocide is hot air!
A bunker busting GBU-39 bomb even without a nuclear warhead falling on a nuclear facility with the nuclear fallout or water contamination could kill the three-year-old child of Green, Basij, and Marxist alike, and do so with perhaps millions of other victims so we should put aside our differences and do whatever we can to stop a war and don’t be content with our so called leadership let this issue slip for whatever reason be it ignorance, apathy, corruption or self interest.
IRANdokht if you think NIAC is taking the right action to stop a war, then good luck to you. If not then you yourself should do something, just like me, I don't see anyone doing something or asking the questions so I'm asking the questions until my voice is not ignored.
ramintork
by IRANdokht on Wed Dec 23, 2009 03:28 PM PSTAre you speaking against NIAC or all the three groups mentioned in the link I provided? or did you even click on it? It's two pages long and you can actually see what these groups have done in the few years that they have been active. But you'd have to click on the link first to see where their money comes from, who is their spokesperson, how they are working together and what they do.
Keeping an open mind and actually reading and investigating all existing options can be much more productive than starting a new organization under a pseudo name that has no background.
These people are putting their names, their reputation, their credientials and their financial statements in public view and some people still have a hard time trusting them. How can you expect that everyone including all the human rights activists and student groups follow a pseudo name unknown to them?
Sometimes we have to remind ourselves that being "united" doesn't mean to shoot down everybody else, label them without proof and start our own group, intimidating others to join: you either join my group or regarding you and people like you we shall wait and see.
You said: "sometimes you very aptly act as a pressure valve for anyone who wants to do anything constructive!"
I am sorry but can you please give me an example? Asking you to look into other existing groups makes me act as a pressure valve against people doing something constructive? or is it your own action of trying to form a whole new group that is counter-productive? (see reinventing the wheel in my previous comment)
I am sorry ramintork, but you misunderstood my position: unlike you, I have no doubt that NIAC is working for Iranian-Americans' best interest and also the Iranians in Iran (by speaking against war and sanctions). Unlike you, I do not think that they're IRI elements. They have done much more than blogging about themselves and their mission. My support of them is being misunderstood by you because you have believed the negative propaganda about NIAC so naturally you are associating me with them and due to your own suspicions to IRI too. I have news for you, these associaltion with IRI doesn'texist except in the minds of people who made it up!
I am not sure whether you are against all existing groups in US or are the other ones mentioned in the article guilty by association?
The only righteous fight that you see is your own, and nobody else but you has ever thought of Iranians' human rights! Well, sorry Mr ramintork, most people don't put blind faith in a new unknown person who doesn't have anything to show for but a few blogs and distrusts everyone else.
I won't try to "let out the pressure" anymore. It seems some people (about a dozen) are happy with the amount of hot air generated. Good luck to you!
IRANdokht
IRANdokht
by ramintork on Wed Dec 23, 2009 01:15 PM PSTIRANdokht, I respect your views but sometimes you very aptly act as a pressure valve for anyone who wants to do anything constructive!
I think given the previous blogs I have a good idea where you stand in regards to this debate in IC.
Very clearly, lack of leadership and the conservative thinking, perhaps even lack of creative thinking is costing the opposition movement outside Iran very dearly. In a state of War lack of unity would turn us to sheep to be herd to left and right!
Do forgive me but there are no shortage of IRI sponsored organizations that act as a lobby for them. They have all the money and the power and without a doubt more successful than what I have done in gathering support. They even no doubt get awards for their clever people to win credibility.
Now I come from the school of thought that you are innocent until proven guilty so I'm not planning to blab about who is and who isn't an IRI sponsored lobby but I would say this:
Look for the action and what the organization wants to achieve. Our actions are very clear we want a strong Human rights lobby, not business, not IRI, Human rights. We want to be strong to change the western perception and by our presence make it difficult to start a war and hopefully, and I repeat hopefully buy enough time and show enough support for people inside Iran so that with general strikes they bring down the regime before a war starts.
If the organization for instance shows the interests of IRI and uses Human rights as a facade then don't follow it.
No doubt there would be many perhaps even yourself that would come up with some reason why they should not join a campaign started by a humble fellow IC blogger such as myself!
But there are two things that I have not seen in the other campaigns:
1. Try to extend the out of Iran support amongst the non-Iranian community so that it gets media support, and I'm not talking about an expensive dinner in Hilton and Hyatt for a selected few!
I am hoping to get Student groups, anti war campaigners involved. I have visions of Hyde park marches for freedom of Iran, flashmob events globally capturing media attention.
2. Take legal action to change the law in our case use Citizens' initiative and the one million signatures to approach the EU parliament. One million signatures in US going through the senate.
This is my dream and it can only happen if I get support from our community.
Is this what your friends have in mind?
If so then don't sit there instead of sniggering use your own wit and bring all these little groups together before a bomb is dropped on our families.
Now I am not so daft as to think that writing a few blogs on IC is enough to get such a big movement started, but I know most of you read these blogs. You all have a choice, you can choose to ignore these blogs and go and put comments in the 'girl with the large breast sections!', or who loves or hates Islam sections or you can all do something which is actually worth something, something that started here in these Blog pages and help to take it outside IC.
A few have responded to my call, and I want to Thank those, the rest of you we shall have to wait and see!
Thank you
by IRANdokht on Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM PSTThere are a few anti-war groups in the United States. You can read about them here:
//www1.voanews.com/persian/news/79425297.html
I think the Iranians who live in European countries could also show support for Iranians inside the country by joining these groups or affiliating with them. Two of my friends in Europe actually send membership dues to NIAC annually.
It's difficult to call for unity when everyone tried to start their own group and reinvent the wheel...
Thank you for continuously showing interest in this subject.
IRANdokht
You need to wake up and step out of your day to day life
by ramintork on Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:24 AM PSTYou need to take action, and do it soon, or we would one day wake up in tears and watch millions of Iranians die!
In support of what is happening inside Iran, we need to do more, take action rather than talk about it in Blogging chatrooms.
We need to have more than a few Iranians in front of the embassy, we need to have marches similar to the ones that helped to end the apartheid in South Africa. We need a major shift in Western public perception so that with our presence for Human rights our country does not get bombed and with a general strike in Iran we change this regime before Military action is required.