Iran vs. Israel--Whose Fault Is It Anyway?

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Onlyiran
by Onlyiran
27-Aug-2009
 

I have been reading this site for a long time and have recently registered.  What has always fascinated me beyond everything else on this site has been the mindless animosity and vitriol that I see between some of the readers of these pages and everything that has to do with Israel.  The only other places where I see this view of Israel are Palestinian and other Arab publications, and for good cause I may add.  After all, Israel has attacked them, captured their lands and is keeping millions of Palestinians essentially captive in inhumane conditions in what is nothing but an apartheid state.  But Israel has never attacked us, captured our land or killed a single Iranian.  So, what’s all the fuss about?

To better understand this phenomenon, I tried to take a look back and see where and when this whole Iran vs. Israel “thing” started.  My (mental) journey took me back to 1979 and the start of the disaster that was the “Islamic” revolution.  Prior to that “momentous” event, Iran and Israel had good relations, and enjoyed a good amount of trade and sharing of technology.  But then enter Ayatooleh Khomeini and his decrepit Islamic “ommat” ideology.  Things literally changed overnight.  The two faced airplane hijacker Arafat was allowed to come to Iran and grace us with his checkered “chafieh” and was personally given a tour of what constituted the Israeli diplomatic building by Haj Seyyed Ahmad Khomeini, where Mr. Arafat gave his grand speech calling for victory against Israel.  Israeli flags were burned in the streets of Iran and Israel was declared Iran’s enemy No.1 by the mullahs in charge.  The liberation of Palestine and the removal of the Israeli state were declared Iran’s ultimate goal.  Chants of “marg bar Israel” (death to Israel) were heard—and are heard to this day--everyday on the streets, in schools and at Friday prayers.  Iran then helped establish Hezbollah, with its many attacks on Israel, armed and funded it and put troops in southern Lebanon.  It also financed—and continues to finance—Hamas. It has also helped finance and coordinate terrorist attacks against Israeli and Jewish targets around the world, including the attack on the Jewish center in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  And all this has been going on for the past 30 years folks.  Oh, I forgot to mention that in the 1980’s, while Iran was doing all of this for the Palestinians, they were sending volunteers to fight alongside the Iraqis in its war against Iran (small side note, but worthy of mention).          

In response, Israel has been pushing its allies for sanctions against Iran and it is threatening to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.  It has also done whatever it can for the past 30 years to counter Iran’s influence in the region.  It has, however, never attacked Iran and has never conducted a single terrorist act against Iran or its citizens inside or outside of Iran.

Can you just imagine if Israel was burning Iranian flags on the streets for the past 30 years, chanting “marg bar Iran” for the past thirty years, had created, funded and armed militant groups on Iran’s borders for the past 30 years, had stationed troops on Iran’s borders, conducted terrorist bombings against Iranians abroad, and had stated its reason for existence as being to remove Iran’s sovereignty and replacing it with a non-Iranian government?  Can you just imagine what the self righteous commentators on this site would be doing?!!!   

Ask yourselves this question: would Israel have this animosity toward Iran if the IRI had not done everything that I have enumerated above since the start of its reign over the hapless Iranians?  I seriously doubt it.

In sum, since coming to power, the IRI has started an ideologically based conflict against Israel for the past thirty years, the victims of which, as usual, have been (or may be in the future) the people of Iran.  There is no logical basis for this conflict.  Even if we take for granted that the character of the State of Israel is all that IRI claims it to be, there are many, many other governments in the world who are far worst in their crimes against humanity than Israel with whom IRI has very friendly relations (Sudan comes to mind—where Mr. Larijani rushed to meet his beloved brother in arms General Bashir the day after he was indicted for crimes against humanity for the genocide in Darfur).  Plus, the IRI has no moral standing to be the standard bearer of human rights in the world, where it was executing tens of thousands of Iranians, some as young as twelve, while it was beating its chest for crimes committed by Israel against the Palestinians.     

So, make no mistakes about it.  If Iran is attacked, it’s IRI’s fault.  IT, and not any other entity, has brought animosity and war to Iran over a cause that has nothing to do with Iran.  We are not Israel’s neighbor, Israel has not attacked us, has not taken our land, has not established apartheid against our people and if it was not for IRI’s ideological war against it, would have had nothing to do with us.    

I know that I will get a lot of grief for this piece by the rabid, anti-Israel hezbollahi automatons on this site who have so mindlessly bought the IRI’s propaganda lock, stock and barrel without giving it a moment of analytical thought, but hey, truth hurts, doesn’t it?

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gitdoun ver.2.0

hello

by gitdoun ver.2.0 on

in a nutshell . the fault lies with this satanic barbaric regime called the I.R.I for brainwashing it's citizens to hold enmity towards israelis.

 


vildemose

Israelis love Ahmadinejad

by vildemose on

Israelis love Ahmadinejad because they know he will deliver.

What will he deliver?? War

What does Netanyahu and Likudink have been  wanting most?? war 

 


vildemose

KouroshS: You assume that

by vildemose on

KouroshS: You assume that Natnayahoo and Ahmadinejad are rational and thinking creatures. Not so, They are both blinded by their hatred and dogmatic ideologies that they are probably not aware of.

Both men are self-destructive.

I don't think there would have been talks of sanctions against Iran if Mousavi was in charge. Because the reformers are not ideologically driven animals like the hardliners. The refomres are pargmatic and see the future as untenable if they go along with the status quo.

 


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Who knows?

by KouroshS on

Vildemose

It sure is a possibility! IRI includes mousavi and ahmadinejad. So if IRI is actually god's gift to him and his country, then i am assuming he should not be advocating any kind of sanctions against It. But that is not what we see! Unless as our Blogeezban (as in our blog's meezban... only iran) maintains this is all for publuc and international consumption.


vildemose

KouroshS: Do you think

by vildemose on

KouroshS: Do you think Ahmadinejad et al don't wish for a war?


vildemose

Do you think If Mousavi was

by vildemose on

Do you think If Mousavi was in charge, there would have been talks of sanctions or war on Iran???

 

 


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Aggravating

by KouroshS on

Well you may have a point there but i have a feeling that he is bound to aggaravate someone, maybe an IRI official someday soon. He has really been pushing it. Who knows...


Onlyiran

KouroshS

by Onlyiran on

It's all a show.  Natan..(whatever) knows very well that 1) he will never get the crippling sanctions that he wants, and / or 2) even if he does, it will not bring the IRI to its knees because China, Russia and many other black market players will never abide by it.  So, for him, it makes sense to put on this show for various benefits, the most important of which is to stifle the peace process, get more military aid, keep on building settlements, etc...hence, the benefit of the IRI to Israel.


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Guys!

by KouroshS on

Only iran and vile mose\

So let me ask you something here, If the creation of IRI has actually and indeed been the best thing for the Israel since 1948 and if they are indeed happy about the result of the elections, which probably means they believe in ahmadinejad! Then why the F.. is this Natanee yaboo is going around pushing for more harsh and crippling sanction against iran? Why would he want to bring the IRI down to its knees? Obviously he is itching to bomb the hell out of iran and its nuclear enriching facilities, despite knowing that OFFICIALLY iran's output of uraniun enrichement has greatly diminished.

Is he just plain crazy? Is he trying to be another hitler? Whoes face is he trying to put a smile on?

 


Onlyiran

vildemose

by Onlyiran on

I actually read somewhere (don't remember now) right after Iran's "election" that there was a sigh of relief in Tel Aviv in knowing that Ahmadinejad was going to stay in power. 


vildemose

the establishment of the

by vildemose on

the establishment of the IRI is probably one of the biggest setbacks for the Palstinian cause since Arafat became their leader, and it's the best thing that has ever happened to Israel since its creation in 1948.

So true. I've also noticed lately that the neocons insisted in most of the opinion pieces and analysis that Ahamdinejad won the election fair and square and there was no vote rigging.

The necons want to portray all Iranians as messianic fundamentalists just like Ahmadinejad...Why??


Onlyiran

vildemose

by Onlyiran on

You are correct in your observations.  The fact is though that the IRI has been very successful in the past 30 years in skillfully changing the real issue of "why should Iran be involved in the Palestinian / Israeli conflict" into "why should Israel occupy Palestinain land".  By changing the subject, the IRI has created a presumption that Iran must be involved in the issue.  It has also set the ground rule that even by questioning that aspect of the argument (Iran's involvement) you are somehow a Zionist supporting anti-Palestinian war monger.  You see that effort day in and day out on this site as well, with IRI agents, operatives and mindless brain washed idiots (see XerXes below) propagating the same IRI mantra.

You are also very correct in your observation that the IRI's meddling in the Israeli / Palestinian conflict has worsened the situation for the Palestinians tremendously.  In fact, the only party that benefits from that interference is Israel.  The IRI has no concern for the welfare of the Palestinians, and would stand to lose its biggest propaganda opportunity and its stated reason for existence if there is a peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians.  That is why it actively works to create fractures between the Palestinian political structure and is in favor of factionism in the occupied territories.  In a sense, as far as Israel is concerned, the IRI is the gift that keeps on giving.  Its is the biggest excuse that Israel has found for the past thirty years to continue its occupation of the territories, delay peace plans and even attack the Palestinians (the latest Gaza attack where Israel claimed there was an "Iranian" threat embeded in Hamas). 

So, the establishment of the IRI is probably one of the biggest setbacks for the Palstinian cause since Arafat became their leader, and it's the best thing that has ever happened to Israel since its creation in 1948.


vildemose

Mola jan: I love

by vildemose on

Mola jan: I love palestinians. I know and are friends with many. Personally, I have heard horror stories not only about what Israelis have done to them but other Arab nations where they have been living as refugees. I think it's a shame when Palestinians have to be treated by other muslims like animals.

However, I do not want Iran turned into another Iraq or palestine because of stupidity of Islamic Republic. The IRI is also exploiting the Palestinians, and in the long run, it is not doing Palestinians any service.

May your country and your beautiful people be liberated by your own people some day soon.


Onlyiran

Mehrdad Aziz

by Onlyiran on

I did not say that we should interfere when there is an advantage for us.  What I said was that we shouldn't ineterfere where there is a danger that our people and our interests may be harmed.  There is a big difference between the two positions.

But, we seem to agree on some points and disagree on others, and that is perfectly fine.  Thank you anyway for your well articulated position and your productive contribution.


Mola Nasredeen

vilemose,

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I don't know if I'm Palestinian or not. I was adapted from an orphanage in Karaj. 

As for Hajagha (my camel), I think he's British, he speaks with British accent, Liverpool area. May I also add, he's been acting very suspiciously recently. I like to report him.

PS: Don't try to waterboard him because he can drink forever and not be drowned.

PS2. vile mose? I'm baffled! What does it mean? Mose means banana so is it "Vile Banana?" 


anonymous111.2

Vildemose, RE: Your Question for the Camel Guy

by anonymous111.2 on

You ask:

"Mola Nasredin: Are you palestinian descent??" 

The answer is a resounding YES.  He's a Palestinian.  I, along with many others, realized that a long time ago.  That's why he talks about 'Zionist invaders" of his homeland.

Actually, I like seeing people from various parts of the world, including Palestinians and other Arabs, commenting on this site.  It's good to get different prospectives from different view points.  But this guy is such a moron (and that has nothing to do with his nationality.  It's just a personal thing) that his "comments" contribute nothing to the discussion.  He's like a broken record, Zionist this, Jew that, invaders this, blah, blah blah...

And as far as your question to the IRI spambot Liberation08, the answer is yes, he/ she/ it  will sacrifice Iran and Iranians for Palestine.  That's what his / her / its bosses have been advocating, planning and preparing for for the past 30 years.

 


vildemose

Mola Nasredin: Are you

by vildemose on

Mola Nasredin: Are you palestinian descent??

Zionist invaders??? are you talking about Israelis invading Iran or Palestine?


Mola Nasredeen

"Are you willing to sacrifice Iran for Israel?"

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"that's the question" said Hajagha

"To be or not to be, that's not the question.." he mumbbled

"To be or not to be what? may I ask Hajagha?"

"To be or not to be the Pussy of the neighborhood, bowing down to the bullying Zionist invaders" He said.

"that's the question for Iranians". He continued. 

I saw him leaving tavileh, hurriedly, to watch the second act of Hamlet performed by the Shakespeare Players in The Park.


vildemose

liberation08: Are you

by vildemose on

liberation08: Are you willing to sacrifice Iran for Palestinians???


vildemose

the immoral nature of the

by vildemose on

the immoral nature of the Islamic Republic will always shine through. I wonder how Qashqavi manages to reconcile the Islamic Republic's peace seeking exhortation with the fact that not only is Iran funding and arming the rebels, and deepening the conflict, 
 But what's really quite shameful is that whilst Iran's leaders regularly wail about the suffering of Palestinians at the hands of Israel, they themselves are actively helping to cause pain to another populace i.e. the people of Yemen.


More than 100,000 displaced by Yemen conflict, UN says

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liberation08

marg bar israel

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marg bar israel


Bavafa

Onlyiran jaan, Aren't we

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Onlyiran jaan,

Aren't we assuming that Iran had any thing to do with that bombing? It has been far from been proved, only alleged. And when it is proved, I'll be the one to speak against it and condemn it. Your second point, if we were to help those who are being oppressed only when it is to our benefit (defense as you put it) then we have not done any thing extra-ordinary. That is called "az abbe gelalood mahi gereftan"

My point is that we (or at least I) speak out because they are doing wrong not because it is to my benefit. I think this is where we differ in our thinking.

Mehrdad


Mola Nasredeen

"why this guy's head and fist are green?"

by Mola Nasredeen on

I asked Hazrate shotor.

"Maybe he's a vegetarian, you know" He answered.

"But You're vegetarian too and your head is not green Hajagha" I asked again.

"Yes, but his head has been in his a.. for too long and has turned green, that's why" Answered shotor.

"And for his fist?" I asked again. "You don't mean his fist has been there too?"

"Yes, I suppose so" Said Hazrate shotor.

"No wonder his name starts with AN" I mumbbled.


cyclicforward

It is not Iran's business

by cyclicforward on

The issue of Israel was brought to Iran by the Mullahs. Iranians do have problem with human rights violations in regards to Palestinians but again, Iran has the worst human right violations by far and they have no problem dealing with Chinese who have been oppressing their own citizens for many many years. So, leave Israel alone and outside of Iran's politics. Iran has no business of harassing them and can be a catalyst of peace if they play their cards right but then again, what am I talking about. I should not expect anything sensible like that from the mass murders of IRI.


anonymous111.2

Darius Kadivar

by anonymous111.2 on

Speaking of: "( particularly with a Palestinian Passport delivered by the nearest HAMAS Embassy)" did you notice that the camel guy, Mola the Palestinian showed up as soon as he saw the word "Israel"?  How funny and predictable!


Onlyiran

MRX1

by Onlyiran on

Not to mention the fellow Muslims in Darfur.  As mentioned in the piece, Larijani even rushed to Khartoom the day after Bashir was indicted for war crimes (for the genocide in Darfur) to declare  IRI's support for the mass murderer of Muslims!!!


MRX1

You are right

by MRX1 on

There is no logical basis for Iranian people or for that matter even for the islamo facist regime in Iran to have any beef with isreal. The country that has done nothing to Iran, does not share border with Iran, and what ever problem it has is with it's neighbors.And this whole notion of caring supposedly for palestenains is nothing but  hot air. You notice how silent these humenetreian folks were/are when fellow muslims get killed in chechneya, bosnia, Turkish kurdistan and list goes on and on..... 

You see the key in here is the word "LOGIC". unfortuanley it's an alien concept for many Iranians including the roaches who represent IRI and the rest of their beloved lackeys in U.S and Europe.


Onlyiran

DK Jaan

by Onlyiran on

Ain't that the truth?!!! You are right though.  It's actually kind of fun.  I'm waiting for the rest of them to show up!


Onlyiran

[NOT] Xerxes, Basheh..

by Onlyiran on

به فارسی‌ مینویسم.  چی‌ گفتم درباریه این شعبان بی‌ مخهایه جمهوری اسلامی؟  گفتم اینجا سرازیر میشن اراجیف منیویسند یا نه؟ چرندیات ننویس.  اگر فکر مینکنی چیزی که نوشتم درست نیست بگو چرا درست نیست.  اگر هم اربابات گفتند که بری هر چیزی که بر ضدشان است سبوتاژ کنی‌ که اون یک حرف دیگر است.    


NASSER SHIRAKBARI

Iran/Israel

by NASSER SHIRAKBARI on

Israel should not have been Iran's problem.  Their issue was an international one.  IRI now has made it Iran's problem and a big one.  I am working on an article relatings to Iran's situation in Middle East which touches upon this issue as well.