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"No Tree of Might shall be uprooted by any tempestuous wind"

Wahid Azal

"Every Mighty Tree Will be Uprooted by Tempestuous winds, except

  "Every mighty tree will be uprooted by tempestuous winds except for the trees of the Divine orchard, and every lamp is quenched except for the lamp of the Cause of God, which shineth in the heart of the world. Winds will add to its brightness, and it will never be extinguished." 

Baha'u'llah 

Adminstrative Order that is Divine in origin = Vilayat-i-Faqih

Bahai Tactics & Techniques

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques
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"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

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Typical Manipulation

Marge, aka *I have a crush on Nur-i-Azal* -  For someone who admits not to know much about the Baha’i Faith and claims to be anti ALL religions, your ever-presence on all anti-Baha’i blogs is highly suspect.

You ask: “If Nur is so wrong … why do you continue to engage in blogs?”  Based on your own reasoning, you obviously think Nur is so right, since you always engage in his blogs.

You feed Azal’s paranoia by warning him about “shadow men” yet you seem to be inseparable from him yourself!  *Nur-i-Azal* is obviously a sucker for a pretty face (who wouldn’t be?) but he’s not savvy enough to realize that you’re manipulating him.  

You say he’s a reformer!  How can he reform a religion that won’t even have him as a member?  You tell him to write an anti-Baha’i book and that it would be popular!  Popular?  Who, other than a few idiots in Iran, would buy such a book?  Would you read his book?  I seriously doubt it.  I just can’t figure out how such a book would benefit you?

There have been a few people who’ve hidden behind Nima to reaffirm their own misperceptions and anti-Baha’i feelings.  The ones whose grandmas always warned them about ‘najis’ Baha’is.  I hope your not one of them.  Are you?   

If you truly don’t know much about the Baha’i Faith, then please educate yourself before making anymore comments about it.  You probably have enough on your plate with your battles against *Fred* and *RP* anyway.

Anvar

Who is a Bahai and Not?

These people who once belonged to the Bahai Faith, or are trying to create a schism within it, as has happened prevously in Islam, either have misunderstood, were unable or whose ego simply refused to accept the authority of these institutions comprised of ordinary people elected by the members of the local community. and in turn the spirit and the new standard set by Baha'u'llah. 

Without understanding the meaning of The Bahai Covenant, These comments can not  make sense to anyone who reads comments posted by those speaking against the Bahai Administrative order.

Those who have broken the  Covenant of Baha'u'llah, by not accepting the Authority of The Universal House of Justice could not be called Bahais, because a Bahai is essentially a follower of Baha'u'llah , His teachings, and the Unique Divine institutions that are destined to offer humanity an alternative system of govenance; one that promotes democratically elected institutions instead of  One Man Rule, the kind  that some of these ambitious religious egos are trying to pass off astheir brand of  "Bahai" and altoghether an end to wasteful and corrupt electioneering and partisan party political system. where conflict is institutionalized in opposition parties

What is envisioned is an Adminstrative Order that is Divine in origin, 

one that benefits from 

• Integration of Spiritual and Material Life
• Greater Freedoms with well defined channels of expression
• The rule of conscience illumined by reason, spiritual senses, and the Revelation.
• Cooperation, unity and critical development

A Unique and New system of governance  that does not degenerate into dissent, dissidence, opposition or schism. 

They, for example, for no other reason but their own self importance and pride probably never had a grasp of

the Principles of Consultation: of love, harmony, purity of motive, humility, lowliness, patience, no offence given or taken, detachment from ideas

or acceptance of the  New Standard for Public Discussion: that is to Accept Support &Majority Vote even if wrong 

Dear Kharmagas

No apology required. Context is everything and people can't be blamed for not having it in given circumstances.

There is nothing desperate about calling evil what it is

There is no desperation when you see evil, that you call it for what it is. In this dark age of humanity, people are so confused. They think that there is no distinction between good and evil.  But there is. The Baha'i Faith under the leadership of the headless UHJ now sitting in Haifa is an evil organization. This is obvious to anyone with clear sight who is aware of their methods of operation.  Examine it yourself with unbiased eyes. All godly people of every spiritual and religious path must oppose this community and must not allow it to triumph.

I sincerely apologize to you Nur-i-Azal

Nu-i_Azal, I sincerely apologize to you for my hasty judgment of you. I did not know you were a Baha'i yourself at some point (*).

Hope you can forgive me.

(*) Accidentally came across your comment in another blog.

when people use the word evil.... it's desperation driving them

FaryarM!! Didn't you read his comments at all? He doesn't hate the faith. It's the people behind it who are corrupting the faith. He is a reformer and all you do is attack him. If Nur is so wrong and evil, to use your words, why do you continue to engage in blogs? He's hitting a nerve and that's a good thing.

Bad logic

If The Bahai Faith is False and so Evil..

Jeffrey is a Bahai, Faryar. He is just not a Haifan Bahai. There are going to be a lot of other Jeffreys in coming years.

Then it will not last or survive..Against All Odds, up to now It has.

146 years is not a long time, Faryar. The Manichaeans survived for almost 700 years before they pettered out of significance. Also argument by numbers or time to try to establish some veracity for your creed is not an argument, but a fallacy. But why do you always talk about your religion as if it was a concrete product?

  Bahai Faith should today be as obscure and scattered

It is, i.e. scattered that is, and arguably obscure.

Time Will Tell

Yes, it will, just as it did with Manichaenism.

If The Bahai Faith is False and so Evil...

If The Bahai Faith is False and so Evil..

Then it will not last or survive..Against All Odds, up to now It has.

Hopefully you will live as long as some of its previous plot makers and enemies to realise your utter bankruptcy.

If there was any Purity ,Truth or Sincerity in your statements, The Bahai Faith should today be as obscure and scattered as an aimless dying group of elderly like the Azalis etc.

Time Will Tell, as it has up to today.

This article does not exaggerate

Everything is true. This organization cannot be allowed to pursue its stated goal of world domination with a global theocratic dictatorship. It intends for its UHJ to become the dictator of the world. Anyone who disagrees with their UHJ is an enemy of God and must be shunned.  Their UHJ speaks with the unfettered voice of God as far as these fanatics are concerned.  I would say I sound paranoid, except that all of this is the truth. 

Fortunately, there is little chance of them actually getting any power.

Rethink the brush-off

Already written the book, babe, and a few more ready to go ;-)

I am neither a reformer of Bahaism nor a mindless basher of Bahaism. I am a straight up realist regarding it and the danger I preceive if this organization in its Haifan form is to ever find the machinery of political power in its hands. I will do anything to prevent the day that the machinery of political power falls into their hands, and there are other Baha'is (particularly of the other Bahai denominations) who are and will be helping me.

No, the all-male body is not democratically elected by the entire Baha'i world. It is selected by an international convention that occurs once every 5 years. The pool of candidates is theoretically supposed to come from the National Spiritual Assemblies. But in the last twenty years all the positions of the UHJ have been filled from the pool of Counsellors, or ITC (International Teaching Centre), i.e. the Central Committee,  who are not elected but appointed by the UHJ itself.  So Counsellors are appointed by the UHJ and then find themselves seated on the UHJ once positions open up (this is exactly how people served on the Central Committee of a Communist Party and ended up on its Politburo). Incumbencies on the UHJ are usually for a lifetime and there is very little turnover of candidates. This system is Soviet up and down, and it is also as democratic as the Soviet system was - zip!

I don't expect straight answers from Haifan Bahais. They are only capable two forms of discourse: propaganda and attack!

I'll give you the JJ "brush off"

"Write a book." ;)

So you are a reformer, not a basher? There's a place for religion reformers. Obviously your questions are rhetorical. I doubt they will actually address you with answers. However, I have a suspicion that this 9 male council is "democratically elected" by Bahais worldwide. less than 1% representation. I don't know much about this religion, I will admit, but its intriguing. Seriously, if you do publish a book, if any publisher dares sponsor you, your book will be popular.

Please note

That malicious and bigotted sectarian attacks are being allowed by this site towards the Bayani religion and its holy figures from the Haifan Bahais, and that any responses to such malicious sectarian attacks are being censored by this very site.