Kyrgyz govt steps down - we need a repeat in Iran

 Kyrgyz govt steps down - we need a repeat in Iran
by MM

The secular corrupt Kyrgyz government is an example of why we need to establish / talk about the Iranian constitution beforehand. We do not want to get out os a hole and fall into a well, as the old Persian proverb say. But, nonetheless, it is hard to imagine if we find a deeper hole than where Iran is right now.

Kyrgyz govt steps down - we need a repeat in Iran

I hope the news is correct.  The Kyrgyz government appeared to be a secular carbon copy of the Mullahs with very similar nepotism, corruption and terror, with the backing of the US (cf., video).  This is why we need to know exactly what we are getting into, vis-à-vis the future constitution, before the next Iranian government comes in.

I guess the difference in Kyrgyzeztan is that the police force is not a cult led by fanatics, so, eventually they sided with the people.

Let's keep our fingers crossed, people-willing.


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Blues in Kyrgyzestan, Reds in Thailand, Greens in Iran !!!

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Every voice counts! Every action counts!


Sargord - what made the difference in Kyrgyz situation?

by MM on

The Kyrgyz police had all the equipment and guns they needed.  The difference was that:

-people could not take it anymore

-people got violent

-the police did not have the cult mentality of Basij and did not get violent with their own kind

ناتور دشت

How did they succeed?

by ناتور دشت on

They left their cell phones, and cameras at home.

Sargord Pirouz

Take a look at these photos

by Sargord Pirouz on

Take a look at these photos and compare with the law enforcement responses in Iran:


Note the poor discipline of the Kyrgyz antiriot police. Their antiriot phalanx has completely disintegrated in one of the pics. Poor training. Compare with even NAJA conscripts. Big difference.

Also, in one of the pics, an entire well equipped Kyrgyz police unit is fleeing at a gallup, with no regroup in sight. NAJA police have been seen to retreat, but a headlong runaway hasn't been a characteristic of NAJA antiriot ops.

Finally, notice an entire firing line of Kyrgyz police armed with AK-47 "Krinkov" type SMGs. NAJA have not appeared on the scene so armed, using lethal force during post-June unrest.

These are all significant differences.


onlyiran - I don't know! Everyone said the same in 1978.

by MM on

In 1978, the Shah's government looked invincible with minor skirmishes here and there in Iran, just like now. 

But, I agree that it may come down to the Basijis realizing how much atrocities they can commit before they have enough too.


MM Jan this will never happen in Iran

by Onlyiran on

because unlike the Kyrgyz government--which at some point realized that people didn't want it and short of mass murder it won't stay in power--the IRI will not hesitate for a second about mowing everyone down on the streets before they can get to their government buildings.  That's why they have the Basiji thugs, the Sepah (IRGC) and foreign mercenaries.  

In a sense, the Kyrgyz government's situation was akin to that of the late Shah.  He left when he realized that the only way to remain in power was to commit mass murder, and he didn't want to do so.  The IRI, on the other hand, is an enthusiastic supporter of mass murder of Iranians, and won't think twice about implementing that strategy to hold on to power.  

I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek

The Kyrgyz people are finally telling the US

by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on

That using their country and airports to launch strikes on Afghans is not going to be tolerated. Good. Wikileaks is going to release another video soon of US Soldiers shooting a group of Afghan women and then taking the bullets out of the bodies with their knives for the cover up. Disgusting. Good for the Kyrgyz people.


Jaleo - I could not have made my blog any shorter.....

by MM on

nonetheless, I did mention that the Kyrgyz leadership was a secular dictatorship supported by the US, but the Kyrgyz leadership was just as guilty as IRI when it came to nepotism, corruption and terror.

I will try to make my blogs even shorter so that you would at least read them before commenting.


Hey MM, IRI has the same opinion about Kyrgyz

by Jaleho on

situation that you do! That makes your analogy of Iran and Kyrgyz a bit silly, don't you fink? :-)

US military base in Kyrgyzstan 'closed' amid riots

Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:33:29 GMT

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US soldiers at the US airbase in Manas 30 km outside Bishkek

US military flights from a base north of the Kyrgyz capital have been suspended after authorities closed the airport amid anti-government riots.

The air field in Manas, which serves both US military aircraft and commercial flights, was "shut down" at about 8:00 pm local time in Kyrgyzstan (1400 GMT), a military official who spoke on condition of anonymity told AFP.

The US depends on the Kyrgyz base to ferry troops, fuel and weapons for NATO-led forces in Afghanistan.

Opponents of the Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev reportedly took control of Kyrgyzstan on Wednesday after a day of spectacular violence that ended with Bakiyev fleeing the capital city of Bishkek.

The US State Department says Washington still regards the government of President Bakiyev to be in power.

"We continue to think the government remains in power," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said, adding the US has no additional information to confirm reports that the opposition had seized control.


Mehrdad - I agree with you. Shushtari - SP is following me...

by MM on

Probably taking notes for my trial in absentia.


What? SP, you should watch other sources than Press TV

by MM on


* IRI may be independent, but the law is estekhaarehi/maslahati

* IRI leadership does not have much support except within the cultist circles

* IRI's police has been even more brutal and we have not seen the bulk of what they have done.

* IRI's police is a cult whereas Kyrgyz police is normal police who stood with the people at the end of the day.



Excellent point MM and ...

by Bavafa on

I know it is hard to imagine a bigger hole then we are in, but if one had asked the average Iranians in 79, I am fairly certain that they could not have imagined any worse situtation then the Shah's regime. Well, we found out to the contrary right?

One thing Titra Parsi said in his interview and made a lot of sense to me was that the strategy of "regime change" in Iran is not the correct one but we ought to concentrate on bringing a "democratic regime" to Iran, rather then just changing the regime.

Anyway, thanks again for bringing these to us and YES, lets hope we can bring a democratic regime to Iran and that it is brought and lead by Iranians.




by shushtari on

here you go much are the akhoonds paying you to say this stuff???

'independent?!' come on! so what do u call russia and china?

and what about talabe khomeini receiving funding, refuge, and platform to spew his bs by france, bbc, and carter???

nobody is gonna buy that nonsense anymore....good luck to you in southern lebanon! 

Sargord Pirouz

Big differences between the

by Sargord Pirouz on

Big differences between the Kyrgyz and the IRI. To a certain extent, the Kyrgyz leadership has allowed themselves to become US puppets (something the opposition is against), whereas the IRI is independent. The Kyrgyz leadership does not appear to have the level of support base evident in the IRI. And Kyrgyz security forces appear to be employing uninhibited lethal force.

Even during the Ashura rioting, the IRI leadership went about its business as usual. (Contrary to the many false rumors, they've never fled aboard departing airplanes.)

Instead of concocting constitutions that will never see the light of day, perhaps it would be best to ponder the support base of the IRI, and how attempts at subversion are in stark opposition to this relatively silent majority.