Why the U.S. won't attack Iran


Why the U.S. won't attack Iran
by Mehdi-Palang

Below is an interesting article that I found by Tom Engelhardt: 

 Why the U.S. won't attack Iran

'A U.S. attack on Iran would create trouble that we aren't equipped to handle easily'

By Tom Engelhardt

  • Reality Bites Back

It's been on the minds of antiwar activists and war critics since 2003. And little wonder. If you don't remember the pre-invasion of Iraq neocon quip, "Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran..." -- then take notice.

Even before American troops entered Iraq, knocking off Iran was already "Regime Change: The Sequel." It was always on the Bush agenda and, for a faction of the administration led by Vice President Cheney, it evidently still is.

Add to that a series of provocative statements by President Bush, the Vice President, and other top U.S. officials and former officials. Take Cheney's daughter Elizabeth, who recently sent this verbal message to the Iranians: "[D]espite what you may be hearing from Congress, despite what you may be hearing from others in the administration who might be saying force isn't on the table... we're serious." Asked about an Israeli strike on Iran, she said: "I certainly don't think that we should do anything but support them."

Similarly, former UN Ambassador John Bolton suggested that the Bush administration might launch an Iranian air assault in its last, post-election weeks in office.

Consider as well the evident relish with which the President and other top administration officials regularly refuse to take "all options" off that proverbial "table" (at which no one bothers to sit down to talk).

Throw into the mix semi-official threats, warnings, and hair-raising leaks from Israeli officials and intelligence types about Iran's progress in producing a nuclear weapon and what Israel might do about it. Then there were those recent reports on a "major" Israeli "military exercise" in the Mediterranean that seemed to prefigure a future air assault on Iran.

("Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military's capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran's nuclear program.")

From the other side of the American political aisle comes a language hardly less hair-raising, including Hillary Clinton's infamous comment about how the U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran (in response to a hypothetical Iranian nuclear attack on Israel).

Congressman Ron Paul recently reported that fellow representatives "have openly voiced support for a pre-emptive nuclear strike" on Iran, while the resolution soon to come before the House (H.J. Res. 362), supported by Democrats as well as Republicans, urges the imposition of the kind of sanctions and a naval blockade on Iran that would be tantamount to a declaration of war.

Stir in a string of new military bases the U.S. has been building within miles of the Iranian border, the repeated crescendos of U.S. military charges about Iranian-supplied weapons killing American soldiers in Iraq, and the revelation by Seymour Hersh, our premier investigative reporter, that, late last year, the Bush administration launched -- with the support of the Democratic leadership in Congress -- a $400 million covert program "designed to destabilize [Iran's] religious leadership," including cross-border activities by U.S. Special Operations Forces and a low-level war of terror through surrogates in regions where Baluchi and Ahwazi Arab minorities are strongest.

(Precedents for this terror campaign include previous CIA-run campaigns in Afghanistan in the 1980s, using car bombs and even camel bombs against the Russians, and in Iraq in the 1990s, using car bombs and other explosives in an attempt to destabilize Saddam Hussein's regime.)

Add to this combustible mix the unwillingness of the Iranians to suspend their nuclear enrichment activities, even for a matter of weeks, while negotiating with the Europeans over their nuclear program. Throw in as well various threats from Iranian officials in response to the possibility of a U.S. or Israeli attack on their nuclear facilities, and any number of other alarums, semi-official predictions ("A senior defense official told ABC News there is an 'increasing likelihood' that Israel will carry out such an attack…"), reports, rumors, and warnings -- and it's hardly surprising that the political Internet has been filled with alarming (as well as alarmist) pieces claiming that an assault on Iran may be imminent.

Seymour Hersh, who certainly has his ear to the ground in Washington, has publicly suggested that an Obama victory might be the signal for the Bush administration to launch an air campaign against that country. As Jim Lobe of Inter Press Service has pointed out, there have been a number of "public warnings by U.S. hawks close to Cheney's office that either the Israelis or the U.S. would attack Iran between the November elections and the inaugural of a new president in January 2009."

(Watch video: Seymour Hersh: The secret war in Iran (Part 1, Part 2) )

Given the Bush administration's "preventive war" doctrine which has opened the way for the launching of wars without significant notice or obvious provocation, and the penchant of its officials to ignore reality, all of this should frighten anyone. In fact, it's not only war critics who are increasingly edgy.

In recent months, jumpy (and greedy) commodity traders, betting on a future war, have boosted these fears. (Every bit of potential bad news relating to Iran only seems to push the price of a barrel of oil further into the stratosphere.) And mainstream pundits and journalists are increasingly joining them.

No wonder. It's a remarkably frightening scenario, and, if there's one lesson this administration has taught us these last years, it's that nothing's "off the table," not for officials who, only a few years ago, believed themselves capable of creating their own reality and imposing it on the planet. An "unnamed Administration official" -- generally assumed to be Karl Rove -- famously put it this way to journalist Ron Suskind back in October 2004:

"[He] said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors.... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

  • A future global oil shock

Nonetheless, sometimes -- as in Iraq -- reality has a way of biting back, no matter how mad or how powerful the imperial dreamer. So, let's consider reality for a moment. When it comes to Iran, reality means oil and natural gas. These days, any twitch of trouble, or potential trouble, affecting the petroleum market, no matter how minor -- from Mexico to Nigeria -- forces the price of oil another bump higher.

Possessing the world's second largest reserves of oil and natural gas, Iran is no speed bump on the energy map. The National Security Network, a group of national security experts, estimates that the Bush administration's policy of bluster, threat, and intermittent low-level actions against Iran has already added a premium of $30-$40 to every $140 barrel of oil. Then there was the one-day $11 spike after Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz suggested that an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities was "unavoidable."

Given that, let's imagine, for a moment, what almost any version of an air assault -- Israeli, American, or a combination of the two -- would be likely to do to the price of oil. When asked recently by Brian Williams on NBC Nightly News about the effects of an Israeli attack on Iran, correspondent Richard Engel responded: "I asked an oil analyst that very question. He said, 'The price of a barrel of oil? Name your price: $300, $400 a barrel.'" Former CIA official Robert Baer suggested in Time Magazine that such an attack would translate into $12 gas at the pump. ("One oil speculator told me that oil would hit $200 a barrel within minutes.")

Those kinds of price leaps could take place in the panic that preceded any Iranian response. But, of course, the Iranians, no matter how badly hit, would be certain to respond -- by themselves and through proxies in the region in a myriad of possible ways. Iranian officials have regularly been threatening all sorts of hell should they be attacked, including "blitzkrieg tactics" in the region.

Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari typically swore that his country would "react fiercely, and nobody can imagine what would be the reaction of Iran." The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, Mohammed Jafari, said: "Iran's response to any military action will make the invaders regret their decision and action." ("Mr. Jafari had already warned that if attacked, Iran would launch a barrage of missiles at Israel and close the Strait of Hormuz, the outlet for oil tankers leaving the Persian Gulf.")

(Watch video: How do Iranians react to threats of attack?)

Ali Shirazi, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's representative to the Revolutionary Guards, offered the following: "The first bullet fired by America at Iran will be followed by Iran burning down its vital interests around the globe."

Let's take a moment to imagine just what some of the responses to any air assault might be. The list of possibilities is nearly endless and many of them would be hard even for the planet's preeminent military power to prevent. They might include, as a start, the mining of the Strait of Hormuz, through which a significant portion of the world's oil passes, as well as other disruptions of shipping in the region. (Don't even think about what would happen to insurance rates for oil tankers!)

In addition, American troops on their mega-bases in Iraq, rather than being a powerful force in any attack -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has already cautioned President Bush that Iraqi territory cannot be used to attack Iran -- would instantly become so many hostages to Iranian actions, including the possible targeting of those bases by missiles.

Similarly, U.S. supply lines for those troops, running from Kuwait past the southern oil port of Basra might well become hostages of a different sort, given the outrage that, in Shiite regions of Iraq, would surely follow an attack. Those lines would assumedly not be impossible to disrupt.

Imagine, as well, what possible disruptions of the modest Iraqi oil supply might mean in the chaos of the moment, with Iranian oil already off the market. Then consider what the targeting of even small numbers of Iranian missiles on the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil fields could do to global oil markets. (It might not even matter whether they actually hit anything.) And that, of course, just scratches the surface of the range of retaliatory possibilities available to Iranian leaders.

Looked at another way, Iran is a weak regional power (which hasn't invaded another country in living memory) that nonetheless retains a remarkable capacity to inflict grievous harm locally, regionally, and globally.

Such a scenario would result in a global oil shock of almost inconceivable proportions. For any American who believes that he or she is experiencing "pain at the pump" right now, just wait until you experience what a true global oil shock would involve.

And that's without even taking into consideration what spreading chaos in the oil heartlands of the planet might mean, or what might happen if Hezbollah or Hamas took action of any sort against Israel, and Israel responded. Mohamed ElBaradei, the sober-minded head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, considering the situation, said the following: "A military strike, in my opinion, would be worse than anything possible. It would turn the region into a fireball..."

This, then, is the baseline for any discussion of an attack on Iran. This is reality, and it has to be daunting for an administration that already finds itself militarily stretched to the limit, unable even to find the reinforcements it wants to send into Afghanistan.

  • Can Israel attack Iran?

Let's leave to the experts the question of whether Israel could actually launch an effective air strike against Iranian nuclear facilities on its own -- about which there are grave doubts. And let's instead try to imagine what it would mean for Israel to launch such an assault (egged on by the Vice President's faction in the U.S. government) in the last months, or even weeks, of the second term of an especially lame lame-duck President and an historically unpopular administration.

From Iran's foreign minister, we already know that the Iranians would treat an Israeli attack as if it were an American one, whether or not American planes were involved -- and little wonder. For one thing, Israeli planes heading for Iran would undoubtedly have to cross Iraqi air space, at present controlled by the United States, not the nearly air-force-less Maliki government. (In fact, in Status of Forces Agreement negotiations with the Iraqis, the Bush administration has demanded that the U.S. retain control of that air space, up to 29,000 feet, after December 31, 2008, when the UN mandate runs out.)

In other words, on the eve of the arrival of a new American administration, Israel, a small, vulnerable Middle Eastern state deeply reliant on its American alliance, would find itself responsible for starting an American war (associated with a Vice President of unparalleled unpopularity) and for a global oil shock of staggering proportions, if not a global great depression. It would also be the proximate cause for a regional "fireball." (Oil-poor Israel would undoubtedly also be economically wounded by its own strike.)

In addition, the latest American National Intelligence Estimate on Iran concluded that the Iranians stopped weaponizing parts of their nuclear program back in 2003, and American intelligence reputedly doubts recent Israeli warnings that Iran is on the verge of a bomb. Of course, Israel itself has an estimated -- though unannounced -- nuclear force of about 200 such weapons.

Simply put, it is next to inconceivable that the present riven Israeli government would be politically capable of launching such an attack on Iran on its own, or even in combination with only a faction, no matter how important, in the U.S. government. And such a point is more or less taken for granted by many Israelis (and Iranians). Without a full-scale "green light" from the Bush administration, launching such an attack could be tantamount to long-term political suicide.

Only in conjunction with an American attack would an Israeli attack (rash to the point of madness even then) be likely. So let's turn to the Bush administration and consider what might be called the Hersh scenario.

  • Will the Bush administration attack Iran if Obama is elected?

The first problem is a simple one. Oil, which was at $146 a barrel last week, dropped to $136 (in part because of a statement by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissing "the possibility that war with the United States and Israel was imminent"), and, on Wednesday rose a dollar to $137 in reaction to Iranian missile tests.

But, whatever its immediate zigs and zags, the overall pattern of the price of oil seems clear enough. Some suggest that, by the time of any Obama victory, a barrel of crude oil will be at $170. The chairman of the giant Russian oil monopoly Gazprom recently predicted that it would hit $250 within 18 months -- and that's without an attack on Iran.

For those eager to launch a reasonably no-pain campaign against Iran, the moment is already long gone. Every leap in the price of oil only emphasizes the pain to come. In turn, that means, with every passing day, it's madder -- and harder -- to launch such an attack. There is already significant opposition within the administration; the American people, feeling pain, are unprepared for and, as polls indicate, massively unwilling to sanction such an attack. There can be no question that the Bush legacy, such as it is, would be secured in infamy forever and a day.

Now, consider recent administration actions on North Korea. Facing a "reality" that first-term Bush officials would have abjured, the President and his advisors not only negotiated with that nuclearized Axis of Evil nation, but are now removing it from the Trading with the Enemy Act list and the State Sponsor of Terrorism list.

No matter what steps Kim Jong Il's regime has taken, including blowing up the cooling tower at the Yongbyon reactor, this is nothing short of a stunning reversal for this administration. An angry John Bolton, standing in for the Cheney faction, compared what happened to a "police truce with the Mafia." And Vice President Cheney's anger over the decision -- and the policy -- was visible and widely reported.

It's possible, of course, that Cheney and associates are simply holding their fire for what they care most about, but here's another question that needs to be considered: Does George W. Bush actually support his imperial Vice President in the manner he once did? There's no way to know, but Bush has always been a more important figure in the administration than many critics like to imagine. The North Korean decision indicates that Cheney may not have a free hand from the President on Iran policy either.

  • The adults in the room

And what about the opposition? I'm not talking about those of us out here who would oppose such a strike. I mean within the world of Bush's Washington. Forget the Democrats. They hardly count and, as Hersh has pointed out, their leadership already signed off on that $400 million covert destabilization campaign.

I mean the adults in the room, who have been in short supply indeed these last years in the Bush administration, specifically Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen. (Condoleezza Rice evidently falls into this camp as well, although she's proven herself something of a President-enabling nonentity over the years.)

With former Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, Gates tellingly co-chaired a task force sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations back in 2004 which called for negotiations with Iran. He arrived at the Pentagon early in 2007 as an envoy from the world of George H.W. Bush and as a man on a mission. He was there to staunch the madness and begin the clean up in the imperial Augean stables.

In his Congressional confirmation hearings, he was absolutely clear: any attack on Iran would be a "very last resort." Sometimes, in the bureaucratic world of Washington, a single "very" can tell you what you need to know. Until then, administration officials had been referring to an attack on Iran simply as a "last resort." He also offered a bloodcurdling scenario for what the aftermath of such an American attack might be like:

"It's always awkward to talk about hypotheticals in this case. But I think that while Iran cannot attack us directly militarily, I think that their capacity to potentially close off the Persian Gulf to all exports of oil, their potential to unleash a significant wave of terror both in the -- well, in the Middle East and in Europe and even here in this country is very real… Their ability to get Hezbollah to further destabilize Lebanon I think is very real. So I think that while their ability to retaliate against us in a conventional military way is quite limited, they have the capacity to do all of the things, and perhaps more, that I just described."

And perhaps more… That puts it in a nutshell.

Hersh, in his most recent piece on the administration's covert program in Iran, reports the following:

"A Democratic senator told me that, late last year, in an off-the-record lunch meeting, Secretary of Defense Gates met with the Democratic caucus in the Senate. (Such meetings are held regularly.) Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preemptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.' Gates's comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch."

In other words, back in 2007, early and late, our new secretary of defense managed to sound remarkably like one of those Iranian officials issuing warnings. Gates, who has a long history as a skilled Washington in-fighter, has once again proven that skill. So far, he seems to have outmaneuvered the Cheney faction.

The March "resignation" of CENTCOM commander Admiral William J. Fallon, outspokenly against an administration strike on Iran, sent both a shiver of fear through war critics and a new set of attack scenarios coursing through the political Internet, as well as into the world of the mainstream media. As reporter Jim Lobe points out at his invaluable Lobelog blog, however, Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Gates's man in the Pentagon, has proven nothing short of adamant when it comes to the inadvisabilty of attacking Iran.

His recent public statements have actually been stronger than Fallon's (and the position he fills is obviously more crucial than CENTCOM commander). Lobe comments that, at a July 2nd press conference at the Pentagon, Mullen "repeatedly made clear that he opposes an attack on Iran -- whether by Israel or his own forces -- and, moreover, favors dialogue with Tehran, without the normal White House nuclear preconditions."

Mullen, being an adult, has noticed the obvious. As columnist Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Constitution put the matter recently: "A U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear installations would create trouble that we aren't equipped to handle easily, not with ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, drove that point home in a press conference last week at the Pentagon."

  • The weight of reality

Here's the point: Yes, there is a powerful faction in this administration, headed by the Vice President, which has, it seems, saved its last rounds of ammunition for a strike against Iran. The question, of course, is: Are they still capable of creating "their own reality" and imposing it, however briefly, on the planet? Every tick upwards in the price of oil says no. Every day that passes makes an attack on Iran harder to pull off.

On this subject, panic may be everywhere in the world of the political Internet, and even in the mainstream, but it's important not to make the mistake of overestimating these political actors or underestimating the forces arrayed against them. It's a reasonable proposition today -- as it wasn't perhaps a year ago -- that, whatever their desires, they will not, in the end, be able to launch an attack on Iran; that, even where there's a will, there may not be a way.

They would have to act, after all, against the unfettered opposition of the American people; against leading military commanders who, even if obliged to follow a direct order from the President, have other ways to make their wills known; against key figures in the administration; and, above all, against reality which bears down on them with a weight that is already staggering -- and still growing.

And yet, of course, for the maddest gamblers and dystopian dreamers in our history, never say never

-- Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com. The World According to Tomdispatch: America in the New Age of Empire (Verso, 2008), a collection of some of the best pieces from his site, has just been published. Focusing on what the mainstream media didn't cover, it is functionally an alternative history of the mad Bush years. A brief video in which Engelhardt discusses the American mega-bases in Iraq can be viewed by clicking here.

Copyright 2008 Tom Engelhardt



Source: Middle East Online


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What am I propagandising??

by Mehdi-Palang on

How am I "playing games"?  Your previous comments made an impression that violence in Iraq had stopped 2 years ago; that's why I posted a link from a news agency that shows contrary. 

By the way, where are you getting your statisticals figures?  Are you aware that at least 500,000 children under the age of five had died in the part of the country controlled by the Iraqi authorities during the imposition of UN sanctions according to the following  BBC arcticle:    //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/472489.stm



There is much less violence in Iraq RIGHT NOW than there is in South Africa. And there isn't even a war in South Africa.

Wow, I didn't know that.  How are you basing the level of violence in South Africa?  In other words, what figures are you relying on to come up with such a statement? 

(I hope it's not on the word of some South African blogger.)

Go ask some Iraqis. There are Iraqi bloggers, you know? But you won't.

I don't have to ask any Iraqi bloggers, all I have to do is ask my Iraqi friends.

You are a propagandist. This is how you function.

Uhhhh, okay?  If you feel a need to label me something because you're frustrated, be my guest, but I don't understand how one could come to that conclusion. 

Oh yeah, you never answered my question:  What is so fantastically inaccurate with what Toofantheoncesogreat said?  Did you check the military website I gave you the link for?

programmer craig

How does my awareness to

by programmer craig on

How does my awareness to the fact that Iraq's violent instability is continuing regardless of what US media is reporting...

You are playing games. You claim "violent instability is continuing" without bothering to mention the drastic improvements.There is much less violence in Iraq RIGHT NOW than there is in South Africa. And there isn't even a war in South Africa. In fact, if current trends hold, fewer Iraqi will die a violent death this year than what teh annual average was during the 1990s under Saddam's rule. Don't belive teh sats? Fine. Go ask some Iraqis. There are Iraqi bloggers, you know? But you won't. You will only usesources that favor your one sided presentation. You will only use words that disguise your deception (like "continuing violence").

You are a propagandist. This is how you function. Don't pretend this si called "dialog". You insult everyone's intelligence when you do that.



to Mr. programmer

by Mehdi-Palang on

 O' great bringer of intercultural dialogue, I like your style of responding to my comment so I'm going to use the same format if that's okay with you.

"And I guess I was right that you really ARE a cheerleader for terrorists, since you used as an example the worst atrocity that Iraqis have committed against iraqis in about 6 months. You'd like to see a lot more of that, right? "

I don't know about your guessing ability, but your comment doesn't hold any logic.  How does my awareness to the fact that Iraq's violent instability is continuing regardless of what US media is reporting have anything to do with me supposedly supporting terrorists or wanting to see more violence perpetrated on Iraqi citizenry?? 

No I don't wan't to see anymore violence, in fact I am totally against this war and I do not want to see it continue any further.  Saddam was a horrible leader during his reign, but at least their was some semblance of internal stability for Iraq's estimated 28,000,000 strong population.  Bombs were not going off in markets, Iraqi women were not giving birth to disfigured babies at alarming rates ,  and US contractors were not innocently slaughtering Iraqi civilians.

links of interest:




"I comment here for the same reason I comment on Arab blogs. Dialog is good, right? Isn't that what everyone on this website keeps saying? We need DIALOG and not WAR? Well, I'm all about the dialog man! How about you? "

Yes, dialogue is good and it is far superior to any act of war, especially constructive dialogue.  I don't understand how your asking Toofantheoncesogreat to list 500 reasons why Iran is the most powerful country in the world is constructive.  (It came off as condescending)  I am all for intelligent, informed dialogue, not reactionary responses. 

"You are a hell of a guy to be calling other people "reactionary" lol. Just because you don't bother to read my comments before making pronouncements about me, doens't mean that I don't read yours! "

What makes you think that I haven't read your comments before?  I do read your comments.  And, how am I one hell of a guy to be calling other people reactionary?

"I don't even know what to say to that. You actually believe Iran has all those military capabilities? Well, hepefully we will never have to find out. I suspect you'll be very upset with the outcome if we do."

I still don't understand how Toofantheoncesogreat's comments were fatastically inaccurate.  There's nothing unbelieveable about what he said, just look at iran's military website for yourself :  //www.iranmilitaryforum.com/index.php

I really want to know what do you believe Iran's military capabilities are?  What do you base your beliefs on?  Make no mistake, I certainly do not want any conflict to occur between Iran and the US, but I am not naive to Iran's military capabilities, are you?

"Oh, now my feelings are hurt! :( "

Hey come on big-guy...    you shouldn't get your feelings hurt so quickly if you're to be some great partaker in intercultural dialogue.  Because the cyber Iranian and Arab communities  are badly in need of a wise person like yourself to start dialogue with us.  ; ) 

programmer craig


by programmer craig on

I guess you really do think that the US war being waged on Iraqis is okay and going swimmingly. 

And I guess I was right that you really ARE a cheerleader for terrorists, since you used as an example the worst atrocity that Iraqis have committed against iraqis in about 6 months. You'd like to see a lot more of that, right?

If my pronouncements about your motivations for posting on this
website are false, why is it that you have never written any blogs,
articles, etc for this website?? 

I comment here for the same reason I comment on Arab blogs. Dialog is good, right? Isn't that what everyone on this website keeps saying? We need DIALOG and not WAR? Well, I'm all about the dialog man! How about you?

If you've got somethind to say, say
it.  Stop being such a reactionary.  

You are a hell of a guy to be calling other people "reactionary" lol. Just because you don't bother to read my comments before making pronouncements about me, doens't mean that I don't read yours!

What's so fantastically inaccurate with what toofantheoncesogreat
stated?  What he said didn't sound like it was pro-IRI to me.  (Who's
making the assumptions now?)

I don't even know what to say to that. You actually believe Iran has all those military capabilities? Well, hepefully we will never have to find out. I suspect you'll be very upset with the outcome if we do.

I'm tired of responding to you and your negative-energy-filled rants.

Oh, now my feelings are hurt! :(


"Bombers kill Iraq army recruits "

by Mehdi-Palang on

I guess you really do think that the US war being waged on Iraqis is okay and going swimmingly. 


If my pronouncements about your motivations for posting on this website are false, why is it that you have never written any blogs, articles, etc for this website??  If you've got somethind to say, say it.  Stop being such a reactionary. 

What's so fantastically inaccurate with what toofantheoncesogreat stated?  What he said didn't sound like it was pro-IRI to me.  (Who's making the assumptions now?)

I'm tired of responding to you and your negative-energy-filled rants.

programmer craig


by programmer craig on

the jokes on you craig, if you actually think what you see in the US
news is the truth. Why don't you ask an Iraqi how the US occupation is

Why don't you? lol. I've been reading the Iraqi blogs for years, and you'd have to be completely obtuse to not see the difference in what Iraqis in Iraq are saying now compared tow hat they were saying a year ago.

Is that you? Completely obtuse?




to programmer craig

by shir-ali (not verified) on

the jokes on you craig, if you actually think what you see in the US news is the truth. Why don't you ask an Iraqi how the US occupation is going!

programmer craig


by programmer craig on

(He probably thinks that the Iraq invasion was a great idea and that life in Iraq is going swimmingly) 

For somebody who feels free to make pronouncements about my motivations for posting on this website, you sure don't seem to be paying very close attention to my comments! To be expected from somebody who agrees with all that complete horseshit that the IRI fanboy was shovelling about Iran's military capabilities.

By the way, how do YOU think the war in Iraq is going? Have you been watching the news? At all?Because your opinions seem to be about 2 years out of date lol.


to Toofantheoncesogreat

by Mehdi-Palang on

I hope you're right, brother.

PS: don't worry about programmer cra... , he just seeks electronic confrontaion.  (He probably thinks that the Iraq invasion was a great idea and that life in Iraq is going swimmingly) 


I (myself) hope Tom is right

by Mehdi-Palang on

I (myself) hope Tom is right, but I feel the same way that Mehdi and Abarmard do on this subject.  I've exhausted myself worrying about a US/Israel attack, and I thought that this article might raise some Iranians, spirits.

  Mehdi Mazloom doesn't possess a sense of reality in his comment.

to Mehdi Mazloom:

-I guess the estimated 1,500,000+ Iraqi civilians that have died must have all been a part of the Saddam's bathist regime, right?

-You do know that DU (depleted uranium) cased bullets are being used in Iraq and Afghanistan, right?  The future generations of Iraqis will be faced with depleted uranium contamination in their environment (air, water, soil, livestock, etc); do you want the same for Iranians? Do you know what DU weapons do to human beings?


programmer craig


by programmer craig on

(list of 500 reasons why Iran is the most powerful country in the world)

Then what are you worried about?


Mehdi has a point

by Abarmard on

The threat is there, slim but there. There are enough crazy people in charge to make such a mistake.


Sign of danger

by Mehdi on

The best sign for me is that the pro-ZioNazi gang on this site regularly try to convince peace activists that they should stop their work and that there is no danger! Yeah, right.


I disagree - the threat is VERY real

by Mehdi on

What these guys seem to miss is that it is not "the US" that may attack - it is a small group who manipulate the government and even the public perception through falsehood in the media. So what does it matter how many American would die or what types of disaster will follow. Such issues do not concern those who want war. That is what these guys miss. They are thinking logically. but those who are trying very hard to start another war have nothing to do with logic! I will feel no threat when EVER LEADER OF EVERY MAJOR MILITARY POWER IN THE WORLD STOPS PROMOTING THE WAR. Until then, I refuse to buy this kind of naive thinking.


RE:Mehdi Mazlom

by Toofantheoncesogreat (not verified) on

Your post proved that you dont live in the real world, estimated civillian casualties would be at least 50-100 thousand. Make your country a favour and shut up because that was the dumbest post Ive ever read coming from an Iranian.


Why they really have not attacked Iran

by Toofantheoncesogreat (not verified) on

1. Iran can fill the mountains of Afghanistan and streets of Iraq with anti-tank and anti-helicopter missiles based on Russian/Chinese, and the newer Iranian designs that basically made mince meat out of the Merkava tanks in southern lebanon.

2. Irans fast boat fleet armed with Noor missiles together with silent electric submarines would wreck havoc on the US fleet. Not to mention the mountains of Ra'ad missiles waiting to be launched fromt he coast with their Sunburn and Yakhont brothers. Hormuz would be under IRGC control

3. Iranian Shahab 3B missiles would pound the bases the US has around the gulf, making it weak enough for extreme religious groups to attack them and cause casualties, scoring propaganda points.

4. Price of Oil will go up, the US treasury is drained and in debth. The US is both in an economical and political depression.

5. There is no political will in the contries next to Iran for attacking it, exept maybe Jordan and naturally off course, Israel. Trying to attack Iran from the bases it has in these countries is a political nightmare. By not getting a green light from these countries, especially our Turkish brothers, the US would rely on their carriers for their air sorties, making it impossible to dominate Iran as they did with Iraq, Yoguslavia and Afghanistan.

6. The US army is outnumbered, running thin of morale and are war weary, the complete opposite of the average iranian service man or woman.

7. Such an attack would make uprisings in every country in the middle east where people like Nasrallah has recieved a hero status after the 2006 war.

8. The iranian army has perfected and tuned its defences assymetrically to hurt the US forces the last 20-30 years, at the same time had a close look at what the US is capable of during the Iraq and Afghanistan campaign.

Put all of these facts together (not counting the rest), you dont need to be a scientist that an attack on Iran wont happen.

Mehdi Mazloom

Who knows?

by Mehdi Mazloom on

how can anyone be sure that, Tom is not working for the CIA and it is part of a sophisticated disinformation endgame designed to distablazie (Insha'allah) the goons in Tehran.

I really don't thing the phrase "was against Iran" is a correct one. The war in NOT against the Iranian people, they are just as victims of this despotic and oppressive regime as anyone else in the region. Rather it is the regime itself being targeted.

I really don't think the Nuk facilities will be hit right away. Rather what i project is:

a) massive and thorogh attack to take out all IRG bases, Ammo depo,s and cut off their supply lines. Or otherwise, dewclaw the little akhoondah.

b) with its dog guards taken out, the regime will be given 24 hours to pack and leave the country. Or else. risk losing their lives.

Knowing how cowerd Akh-mag-e-nejad and his cohords they are. They probably will do as told just to save their own skins. 

After that (hopefully), a new democratic and secular government will emerge. after which it will annouce the halting of all the enrichments in Iran, and resumption of deplomatic relationship with all nation in the region and US.


Sometimes logic does not count!

by Ali reza (not verified) on

If USA is hoping for a regime change,attacking Iran by its own force does not work,since doing that is going to bring her life time enemy.Iranians are already bitter about USA overthrowing Mosadegh government and supporting The Shah and giving green light to Saddam to attack Iran.On the other hand if Israel attacks Iran,Iranians still think that US gave them the green light.In both case it is a lose lose situation for USA.Peace on Earth


I hope

by Abarmard on

Tom Engelhardt is right.