IRI's bigots are imbecilic & pathological liars

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maghshoosh
by maghshoosh
15-Sep-2012
 

Following Mitt Romney's presidential candidacy, his religious affiliation became the topic of national discussion, with pundits wondering how much of the Christian fundamentalist base of the Republican party would be willing to vote for a Mormon.  In that vain, we may recall that Mormonism and Baha'ism arose in the 1st half of the 19th century in the US and Iran as offshoots of the mainstream religions of those societies, Protestantism and Shi'ism, respectively.  Fundamentalist-minded adherents of both mainstream religions view these offshoots as heresies, and from the beginning the heretics faced persecution at the hands of the true believers.  But religious persecution has long ceased in the US, whereas it's alive and kicking (sometimes to death) in the Islamic Republic.  So, a heretic Mormon like Romney becomes a successful and wealthy businessman, the governor of an important state and a presidential candidate, whereas a heretic Baha'i may not be permitted to complete elementary education or hold jobs.  So, while Romney may lose votes due to religious bigotry, he won't lose all the other privileges he has to his name.

It's often the case that bigots, being immoral, are also morons, and take their audience to be fools like themselves.  And this applies to the bigots of the Islamic Republic of Iran and those amongst its supporters, as illustrated by the following.  A first case is the following comedy show aired on Iranian state TV last month, which features 3-stooges impersonators and a clown.  The poorly-scripted story line has the 3 stooges recounting tales of appalling abuse at the hands of the Baha'is followed by liberation from the fearsome clutches of these heretics and the role of the Beloved Leader's directives.  The clown, under the guise of moderating the discussion, chimes in with worn-out propaganda points and take-home messages for the audience, one of the newer concoctions being the Baha'i-Wahabi connection.

 

Another example of the imbecility of these bigots is the doctored video posted recently at this site @ http://iranian.com/main/blog/frashogar/bah-bra...
which features statements by a dissident Baha'i named Frederick Glaysher.  What is obvious from the format of this hack job is that the video consists of segments of a longer interview pasted together with no introduction of the author.  The full interview is in fact 2.5 hours long and was done by a pair of Israeli film producers as part of a documentary they were making about the Baha'i presence in Israel.  The full interview is posted in 3 parts which are linked to @
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL27E91AB0E43...

Glaysher is a critic of the Baha'i establishment in the US and Israel, and in the interview he raises issues, whatever their merit may be, on only that topic.  His objections are completely independent of the human and civil rights of the Baha'is in Iran, which he makes clear in the interview, and is not about the (persecuted) Baha'i establishment in Iran either.  In contrast, the deceptively-edited version essentially implies that the Baha'i human rights issue that's been raised internationally is manufactured by a Baha'i-US conspiracy.  But the relevant parts cut out of this clip convey a different message.  At min 9:40 of part 1 of the full interview, Glaysher states, "The Iranian Muslims have always had a great deal of animosity towards the Baha'i faith with periodic persecution, denial of the most basic human rights to Baha'is in Iran, murder, torture, desecration of cemeteries and the most hineous kinds of acts and violations of basic rights of humanity."  At min 54:40 of part 1, "There were public statements by Reagan denouncing Iran, supporting the Baha'is and so forth, which is fine and legitimate.  As an American I'm appaled too and I don't see anything wrong with my gov't trying to protect a vulnerable people in another country somewhere."  And at min 7:25 in part 2, "At times when we have to deal with Iran and we want to denounce for political purposes the Iranian fanatical gov't or whatever, how do we do that?  Well, here's a little group of people who's being brutalized, always have been and are, no matter what time of history you want to look at in Iran ... I don't believe the US gov't is in some sort of conspiracy theory with the Baha'i."  In short, all the references Glaysher makes to the historical Baha'i persecution in Iran, which he acknowledges and denounces, have been cut out of the doctored clip to convey the opposite message.

For completeness, here's the Israeli documentary for which the Glaysher interview was conducted (although the film makes scant use of it) @ http://player.vimeo.com/video/22467795

In place of the pathological distortions, saner views would include:

and "Iran's Neo-Apartheid: Rampant Persecution of Baha'is in Cradle of Faith".

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This blog isn't about comparing, promoting or denouncing one -ism vs another.  It mostly shows a couple of examples of how people dedicated to campaigns of irrational hatred don't hesitate to perpetrate crude fraud and deception to manipulate their audience.  You'd expect this to cause more skepticism of such charlatanism.  Instead, those w/ cult-like attachment to dogmas they've been fed since childhood throw tantrums and pull their hair out to the point where one of the responders wished me death (his comment since removed).  Theirs is a black cult that motivates organized persecution of a minority.

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@ Frashogar, 9/15/12 4:43a
Suppose I were to summarize your very 1st response below as such:
>Frashogar responded to the modified clip of Glaysher's interview by saying "Right ... he never said those things ... it has been doctored ... Phooey"<
Here I quoted accurately from your response and even used ellipsis where words had been omitted, but I totally distorted what you meant.  I made you sound like you were supporting my criticism of the doctored video of Glaysher, whereas in your response you disagreed w/ me.  This is what you did w/ the doctored video that you posted in your blog; it was selectively cut-and-pasted to distort what Glaysher was saying, which is why it's a fraud.

@ First Amendment, 9/15/12 6:57a
Regarding "There's no doubt that our honorable Bahai hamvatans are being abused by residents of Mount Carmel," since neither you nor anyone else I've heard has provided any evidence of such abuse of your "Bahai hamvatans," it appears more sane to be concerned w/ the extensively-documented abuse they've been experiencing at the hands of the IRI & prejudiced folks such as yourself.  As far as "Bahais can no longer be denied of their natural right to self-governance in their Sacred Land, Haifa. The glorious day of defeating the savage Zionist occupiers is at hand," you should write a manual on the 2-birds-w/-1-stone trick: once lands have been liberated from "the savage Zionist occupiers," you wanna then replace the Zionists w/ your ethnically-cleansed Baha'i ex-hamvatans: "kheili polotik mizani, sarkar ostovar."

@ Ma'moor, 9/15/12 8:16a
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@ Demo

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@ Soosan Khanoom, 9/15/12 8:31p
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The followers of the Bahai movement follow LEADERS

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Why do you think 1 group is called followers and another is called leaders?  Because Followers ... follow ... LEADERS.

If foreign LEADERS of a group (ANY GROUP) do not pass a security clearance (and won't even answer questions!), nobody in Iran has any business following them for same reason nobody in Iran has any business following Massoud Rajavi if one day a group of people decided he was the 27th and final Imam.

Do you think that just because someone says the magic word "religion" that security services will shut off their brains and not ask what the LEADERS of the religion are telling them to do?  Followers follow leaders; and the Bahai ideology is specifically crafted around a world government premise (one problem); with its headquarters in Israel (a second problem); while it proselytizes and tells people they can't serve in the armed forces even in the event of war (the third problem).  

If Zartosht had told Iranians that they can't join an army to defend their Iran, we all would have been turned into Kabobs 2,500 years ago.  

 


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Question Maryam

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By Napoleon I meant in case of Israeli invasion.  Never mind.

But. answer me this please, 

These others are Bahais right ?

All Baha'is as the members of same religion should be supporting each other regardless of the country of origin ..right ?  Same with Muslims ? Right? 

For a sec forget about these leaders hidden political agenda and just focus on the religion itself ... Now would not you as a person who can't practice her faith willing to seek help from your religion members no matter what?  or atleast prefer them over those who are your current rulers?  

Do not you think that Palestinians who are under discrimination would approcate any help from their Muslim family no matter what?  So the principle is basically the same...  

Now I am not sure which should come first religion or country.  But then it is up to each individual to answer that.  

I wish we would color ourselves human and never accept any discriminations towards each other.  As the result of discrimination sometimes people would be willing to sell something and buy something else instead.  

There are many Baha'is in Iran and they are Iranins just like you and me ... What about them? Whom do you think they should see to not being discriminate while IRI could care less!!!  Don't you think IRI has forced them into these type of leaders arms? Shouldnt we instead blame IRI? Or at least be critical towards its discriminatory behavior?   Not all Baha'is are a security threat or political.  What about those ordinary ones who just mind their own business yet still either have to deny their belief or be discriminated ?  Does a government especially am Islamic one have any rights to ban people and force them to do otherwise?  Certainly IRI is anything but Islamic.

A security threat is a tricky accusation which IRI is very good at.. This is the same with the Bush Doctrine after 9/11 ... Anyone can be put in jail with no rights to a lawyer just by that accusation alone !!  

I sure stand against that in this country and I would be a hypocrite if I do not stand against that in my own country especially as a Muslim ...  


مآمور

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 نمیدانم دارم پیر میشم یا.......من هم از این فرقه بازی حداقل امشب حالم بهم میخورد!!
این را دارم گوش میدم شاید شما هم لذت ببرید!!

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Demo

Maryamjoon Dear

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With all the due respect, no Bahais' leader is ever going to respond to any of your legit questions, because unlike cats with 9 lives those 9 millionaires each has just one life to live & is going to commit suicide only & only if he looses his wealth!


مآمور

Dear Ladies

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If I.R.Iran has given people papers documenting their Iranian nationality,  then it would be not just funny but hilarious for me to say, those one with a sacred Iranian passports would not be Iranians

I m with u Maryam that the mafia style gang of sub-zionist grouplet are despicable!! but my neighbor who just came back from Iran is not!!they just have different priority than Iran itself!!

Having said the above, i would question their recent claim(not historical, jut few years old) of being patriotic towards Iran and its interests!!

To your credit Maryamjoon, I know a big portion of bahais are not Iranians from their origins, many black as well as white.... but there r some Iranians one either aboard or living in Iran!!

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مامور گرامی

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MaryamJoon

Nonsense Soosan

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Read please: MOST BAHAIS ARE NOT IRANIANS. Okay?

They have leaders that never met an Iranian Mullah, Okay?  

They are 9 millionaires, okay?  

They can answer questions; You answer questions in your everyday life don't you?  But 9 millionaires who are the leaders can't ...

OK ... got it. 


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dear Mamoor, good question but also let us be fair

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To those Baha'is who have been discriminated so harshly by IRI.. Sometimes you do not know the answer.... It is the choice betwer inquistion or Napoleon... What is the answer really? For a person who suffers discrimination in the hands of the inquisitionists then Napoleon is a door to freedom of practicing their religion.  But then for the same person as an Spanish , Napoleon is another inquisitionist only this time they are not free to be Spanish although still can practice their religion. I guess both equally are bad.  Therefore, there is no answer.   


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Mamur,with due respect ... I think you are missing the point

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> Most Bahais are NOT Iranian.  Never were, and probably never will be. 

> Iran is a sovereign country.

> As a sovereign country, Iran has national security requirements that are independent of religion, and always will be.  

> Will some religious leader dislike Bahais because it conflicts with their own faith?  Yes.

> But whether under the cover of religion, economics, dancing, pole vaulting, watermelon juggling, or whatever ... a group with foreign leaders attempts to offload customs, behaviors or changes to a sovereign country, their leaders MUST stand for questioning if they genuinely seek acceptance, especially when the Bahai leaders are 9 rich millionaires living in an apartheid country hostile to Iran that is terrorizing the indigenous population of the land they are squatting on and deriving benefit from; otherwise their complaints lose all merit because anyone that HONESTLY & SINCERELY cares about wether individuals are suffering will answer questions to reduce doubt in the minds of skeptics, cynics, and doubters.  MY questions linger: Why do 9 millionaires in Versace suits (mostly non-Iranians) sitting in Israel and guiding the Bahai flock need so much help from this site, censorship on their own sites, and blogger after blogger to avoid answering 10 straightforward questions?  

MY QUESTIONS ARE HERE: Dialogue with Haifan-Baha'i Leaders -- People Have Questions.

  


مآمور

 ike Bahiism itself Shiism

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 ike Bahiism itself Shiism is not a religion but it is rather a 'man
invented cult!' Islam is the pure religion of GOD and has absolutely no
-ism of any kinds in it! No Suniism, No Shiism! None, whatsoever!Quote from Demo

I only have one question:

how do bahais justify their relationship with occupying state of Israel in this time of all-out-war and at the same time  claiming to be good Iranians??

for every other questions please read the quote above!!

inquires about bicycles will still be forwarded to  Mamor !!

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