Iranians And Arabs Argue About What To Name the Gulf, While the Rest of the World Moves On

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Iranians And Arabs Argue About What To Name the Gulf, While the Rest of the World Moves On
by JahanKhalili
06-Oct-2011
 

Have you ever heard of the story, Rip Van Winkle?

Its about a guy who ended up being trapped in the past because he fell asleep and woke up many years later.

Iranians and Arabs seem to be little Middle Eastern Rip Van Winkles who can't just move on. 

Keep arguing over what to name the gulf.

Big deal. 

Neither of you even accurately mapped the darned thing.

Today, if I want to look at a map of the gulf, I'm willing to bet that the map wasn't made either by the Iranians or the Arabs.

Westerners probably mapped it and explored it.

That means that neither Arabs nor Iranians even knew what it looked like, until Westerners showed them. 

Iranians and Arabs are still going on and on... and on, about which one of the two "owns" it.

Neither of them do.

America consumes most of the oil that comes from it.

Its economy benefits.

If we were to graph which country consumed most of the oil from it, and consequently which one used that to develop, you'd probably find its America.

Also, while the Iranians and Arabs were bitching at each other over what the gulf is supposed to be called, the Westerners not only discovered the oil that has made it the center of the economic universe, they also studied the life that can be found in it.

Western scientists studied what's in the gulf.

While the Arabs and Iranians shouted at each other "Mine!", "No, Mine!", the Westerners probably discovered, catalogued and scientifically studied every plant and animal species in the gulf.

What impact have Arabs and Iranians had on the gulf?

Both of them have polluted it.

That's probably their only contribution to it. 

//www.rferl.org/content/article/1078857.html

They were never even interested in what's in the gulf.

All they care about is their precious reputations - as usual.

Iranians are showing off with their powerful armed speedboats. 

Arabs are showing off, building - or rather, hiring others to build - artificial Islands there.

... looks like my friend's school project, from back in the day.

If someone calls the gulf "Persian", the shine will fade off of big Arab noses, and they'll be in trouble with the Arabs!

If someone calls the gulf "Arabian", Iranians will get angry! Who knows what will happen then? Perhaps some deadly dampai will hit you!

... and if you just say "gulf", then you're in trouble with both of them! 

Iranians and Arabs will probably still be arguing about what the gulf is supposed to be called, while the West starts developing new technologies and finds new sources of energy.

As its oil is depleted, the gulf will lose its significance to the world.

And those remarkable Iranians and great Arabs will still be fighting over what it is supposed to be called.

By the time it dawns on either of them that no one cares about what it was ever called, it will be too late. 

Enough already!

What to call the damned gulf? 

I name it "Pollution Gulf", in honor of Arab and Iranian contributions to it! 

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LOL

Mr. Jahan, darood bar shomaa!

Iranians and Arabs are both third (turd) worlders who need White people (the real Aryans) to spell out and discover all their modern "contributions".

This reminds me of the trash-talk that Iranians engage in when discussing Europeans. Iranians, who are all hearsay-experts, claim that Europeans lived in caves during the heyday of Iran, or better yet, the pretentious "Persia". During those times, Germans beat each other over the head with clubs and wore bear-skin outfits. These Pakistani-look-alike Iranians don't even realize that the false picture they've painted of Europe is based on Cro-Magnons who were discovered and studied by Europeans! Iranians new nothing about Cro-Magnon man, like they knew nothing about the cueniform script until White people discovered it for them. Moreover, Mongoloid-Iranians conflate 30,000B.C. with 1,000B.C.

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If they acknowledge it why not the rest ?

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I said no one owns the body of water named Persian Gulf. Just like no one owns the Gulf of Mexico. You are not listening or pretending not to. Please don't put words on my mouth.

You can take your charges of racism and keep them to yourself. The biggest racists are those who are screaming "racist" against other people.

Just like the Pan Turks. Who murdered millions of Armenians but won't admit it. Then scream "Aryan" at any opportunity. 


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Disenchanted,  

As humans, especially as the world becomes more and more a global village, it is inevitable that you see similarities, but the other hand, there are differences too.

 VPK, 

You’re pretty much repeating what I said about the naming convention, I said no one owns the name “Persian Gulf”, but some Iranians think they do!!! So not sure what the fuss there is all about.

 

There is a fine line between nationalism and ultra nationalism/racism/Fascism. Love of one’s country SHOULD NOT turn into hatred or belittling or insulting others. Unfortunately, MANY MANY Iranians don’t think like that. For them, loving Iran means bashing others, and by others anything non Aryan/Farsi even those who live, and have lived in Iran for centuries, insulting them, belittling them, making jokes about them, …ect.. If you don’t think that’s the case, you must have been living under a rock. As I’ve said before, thinking you’re better than others only shows the shortages you feel inside yourself and about yourself and about you country/race. Racism and ultra nationalism are social illnesses. Look it up buddy. Unfortunately, many Iranians think the more intolerant, forceful, racist and ultra nationalist you are about Iran, the “better Iranian” you are and that’s a very sad and dangerous social illness and huge mistake. You are among those people, you called me a “non Iranian” simply because I criticized aspects of destructive Iranian behavior.

 JahanKhalili,  I agree with you my friend


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        Because the gulf is polluted its name is up for grabs! Huh!

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Its more accurate, too!

... and it might make the Arabs and Persians forget about such decorative nonsense as which name to call it, and actually start noticing it itself.


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... about people using the "proper" name for "their" little gulf.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_Law 


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I don't see Americans going around and arguing with other people about how great and powerful America is.

There is no need to argue about something that is already obvious. 

Iranians DO need to argue about how great they are, because THAT's not so obvious. 


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Please find someone else to "educate" I am fine. The name does not imply ownership. The Gulf of Mexico does not "belong" to Mexico. The Sinai desert does not belong to Abu Ali Sina does it? Do you even know what names mean!

Anyway please don't bother with me or trying to tell me not to love Iran. I am a nationalist and if you want to call me fascist go ahead. Just one questions: why is it all Iranian haters spew out "Aryan". In all Iranian hating posts that word comes up. Never from Iranians but always from our enemies. I hear it from Savalan the Pan Turk; you and other anti-Iranians. If you have a problem with the name go talk to Stormfront. By the way they don't consider Iranians "in".

Arabs started misnaming Persian Gulf with Naser. Pan Arab dictator who managed to lose the Sinai desert. Do you want to blame it on Reza Shah? No doubt you will try to. Do not blame Iran for mess ups of Pan Arab dictators last one being Saddam.

 


Disenchanted

Iran2050, no attacks just a question....

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       You listed bunch of characteristics that you believed are the reason behind Iran's failure. I just brought to your attention that Americans share same characteristics with us while ruling the world.

          Simple as that!

      


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VPK, How about educating

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VPK,

How about educating yourself before attacking others??? Iran, as a country, nor any Arab country, has the “right” to the Persian Gulf name. Legally, no country “OWNS” the Persian Gulf. The phrase Persian Gulf it’s a name, others are free to call it whatever they like unless its in official government documents running through U.N sanctioned and based organizations, since U.N has declared this is Persian Gulf. So if an Arab country decides to call it Arabian Gulf in an official international document, they are wrong.

Now historical documents show the name has been Persian Gulf since day 1, and that’s why U.N calls it that, and that’s the official name for it, and all is good, however, we shouldn’t think we “OWN” the Persian Gulf and if someone decides to call it by other names, even if they are mistaking, we should use racial or other forms of insults to attack them and belittle them. As long as U.N says it’s the Persian Gulf, we’re good to go. Again, it’s a matter of being civilized or being a bunch of medieval-minded laats.

The problem I have is with people turning this into some Persian – Arab war and start insulting these two great people back and forth. The problem I have is with the extremists, that’s all. This whole “Arabian Gulf” started with the rise of nationalistic anti colonial movements in the Arab world in post WWII. If anything, it was a response to Reza Shah’s own Fascist pro-Aryan, anti Islam and anti Arab propaganda machine. Read your history. No Arab ever called this an Arabian Gulf up until that time, and that’s when, thanks to Reza Shah’s Pahlavism and rise of Arab nationalism, these two great civilizations started parting ways and became enemies. Now you can either try to think outside the box, or join the herd. You pick.

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Know who you’re talking to before attacking them, I have serious problem with America’s foreign policy towards the Middle East.


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        Your statement below, I can't tell you said it about Iranians or Americans.

  " As long as we are chauvinistic about our heritage, as long as we think we are better than others, as long as we belittle other nations and culture, as long as we think we are the center of universe, as long as we think we are flawless……we are nothing and we will stay like that."

        So that's why America is world's boss! Denying that Americans have that mentality?! Huh! WATCH the next Republican presidential debate. :-)

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You better watch out or Arabia 2050 will call you a "laat"; personally I am a "loot" :-}

How dare we have any feelings for our nation. We must all turn into a big grey mush. Or maybe Balkanize the heck out of ourselves until nothing is left. 


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       Open minded but perhaps too open! One good measure to see if an idea makes sense is to generalize it and extrapolate it.

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You are open to call me low; high or whatever class you want. I have read a lot of your posts. I don't know any Iranian who will accept *** Gulf: you do. Hence I do question your real nationality. Or at least your lack of interest in Iran.

It sounds to me that you are fine with divide it up; break it whatever. The majority of Iranians agree with me. I never used a swear word like you did. "Laat" is a swear word. Non Iranian is just a statement of my belief about you. Speaking a few words or even fluent Persian does not mean you are Iranian. I knew a Saudi who spoke fluent Persian. Go ahead and say what you want; call us fascists. I rather be a "laat" than like you.


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VPK, Calling someone who

by Iran 2050 on

VPK,

Calling someone who disagrees with some of the wrong behavior amongst Iranians and calling them out as a form of constructive criticism, calling him a “non-Iranian”, is an act of low class, no culture, no common sense and a sign of intolerance, and that’s exactly what you displayed. The type of behavior and attitude that you display, and not Iran, is what I’m targeting, and it is what I’m advising Iranians NOT to act as such in order for us to Iran to have a better future.

Knock yourself out…question my nationality all you want….all you’re doing is proving my point.

I expressed my opinion in the first posting, you’re obviously here only to show some good-ole Iranian “laat baazi” behavior by bashing anyone who disagrees with you.


Mohammad Ala

Hahaha....

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Haha... Iranian were kicked by Greeks?  Was it in movie 300? 

I wish Greeks well... in this tough economic times.

Thanks VPK.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Mohammad Ala

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Please don't waste your time using logic with JK & "Iran 2050". They are not interested in logic. One is by his own admission half Iranian half something else. The other uses the name Iran but has shown contempt for Iran all the time. 

As I said before I doubt "Iran 2050" is even Iranian. JK I do believe; he is half Iranian. Although I agree with COP about his mind. Nothing is mroe damaging to a person than self hatred. I agree with COP JK would do wellchanging his name and freeing is soul.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Iran 2050

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Are you Iranian? 


Get rid of this Fascist-like Nationalism. Get rid of this ultra-pride that is keeping you behind.

What is fascist about using a 3000 year old name. How about we call America "Arabistan" and England "France" and Mexico "Angola". It we want to be *** might as well go all the way. How dare you call Iranians "Fascist" because they want to keep their heritage. I bet 100 $ you are not even Iranian. 

Now that you have a soul mate in JK go for it. Bash Iranians since IC is liberal enough to let you. Oh yes the "fascist" Iranians let you write inflammatory posts against them. Where else do you find the tolerance that Iranians give you. Try doing this on an Arab blog.

BTW: I have started calling "Palestine" Judea and Samaria. I think we all should to give them a taste of their own medicine. Plus ge the right wing Israeli on our side as fringe benefit.

 


Mohammad Ala

NOT JUST A NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a problem with people who use pseudo name(s).  I have mentioned this before and  will continue repeating it.  I have expressed my views to the administrator(s) of Iranian.com with examples of members who have attacked me.  Before us being  chauvinist, we are tarsoo people.  My work on behalf of Persian Gulf dates back to early 1970s.  My struggle has not been just for the name.  I care about its environment and the creatures that live in or around it. The problem is not what Arabs call it.  The problem is who started the wrong name and why and when Arabs use the wrong name (Arabs know the origin of the name very well).  Arabs such as Jamal Abdul Nasser and Saddam Hussein when wanted to agitate Iranians they used the wrong name.  Although the entire world supported Saddam Hussein and Arab countries bank rolled him, he is looked upon by disdain even among Arabs, especially Kuwaiti Arabs.  Decide whether you support Saddam Hussein and his words or not. 

In case you missed my article on this subject, here is the link which received wide acceptance:

//iranian.com/Ala/2004/November/PG/index.html


anglophile

Not another Hakim's please

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Can't you write something which is genuinely yours. This mumbo jumbo is crying Hakim from every word.

 

Be yourelf for a change boy.  

 


Iran 2050

JahanKhalili, Thanks for

by Iran 2050 on

JahanKhalili,

Thanks for your blog. This is exactly the root of our problems in Iran.

As long as we are chauvinistic about our heritage, as long as we think we are better than others, as long as we belittle other nations and culture, as long as we think we are the center of universe, as long as we think we are flawless……we are nothing and we will stay like that.

Lets Arabs call it Arabian Gulf and let Iranians call it Persian Gulf, what is the big deal? There are so many instances like this around the world (ex: islands between Japan and Korea) that one country calls it something the other calls it something else; lets move on already! Both Arabs and Iranians: let’s move on!

Get rid of this Fascist-like Nationalism. Get rid of this ultra-pride that is keeping you behind.


Cost-of-Progress

You're probably right, VPK

by Cost-of-Progress on

It's actually good to criticize. I do it all the time as it is beneficial for us to look within, but this guy is downright hostile and nasty. He immediately attacks others who don't agree with him and starts name-calling.

You're probably right VPK, it's self-hatered as he  resents his being 1/2 Irooni. That is if he really is 1/2 amrikayyee. I am not sure I believe it anyway.

I recommend therapy; perhaps a name change. Call yourself Mark, that's it! You'll feel better.

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IRAN FIRST

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

The Persian carried

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

the boats on their backs! Or maybe on camels or donkeys. Maybe they just went there and built them right there by hand. 

By the way it was not 300 Greeks it was Geeks. If historians want to lie why not go all the way. They beat mighty Persian army with X-boxes and PlayStations.. Yes that is what happened. Then bored them by spending hours rolling D&D characters until Khashayar Shah packed it and left. History today is written by Hollywood. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

COP

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I told you what his anger is. BNP does not accept half Iranians. If you read his posts he appears to come from that end of the spectrum. Well take one look the picture and it tells you. If someone looks Iranian and hates Iranians they will be angry. 

No surprise there. I like the way I look.

My anger if any if not directed at who I am.