Soroush v Einstein

Fred
by Fred
20-Feb-2010
 

From every conceivable angle the last greatest revolution which has metastasized into IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic has been a resounding failure.

After thirty one years of ruling over Iran and Iranians, The Islamist doctrine has been an abysmal failure in adapting to not only modern life but also to the most basic human values. Ergo the Iranian nation is at the point of uprising to rid itself and the world of this barbarism masquerading as a political dogma.

One of the problems now facing Iran, Iranians and the world at large is some of the main functionaries of the IRR, the ones who have gotten thrown out of power by the rival Islamist faction, are trying to have a second bite at the same rotten apple.

The ideological daddy of the “reformist” faction of the IRR is now advocating a new improved Islamist Rapist Republic.

In an interview with a German newspaper, the former IRR Cultural Revolution commissar has set four goals for his followers to achieve. All of them within the context of the Islamist Rapist Republic’s manifesto of rape and pillage, aka, its constitution.

The insistence on having a “religious democracy” after all the barbarities heaped on Iran, Iranians and the world at large can only be described as an attempt to prove Einstein wrong when he defined insanity as: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2010/02/100219_u03-an-soroush-green.shtml

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Bavafa

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Glad we agree. I am not here to defend Israel or their version of government. That is not what I want in Iran. I want a secular democracy. Israel does some things I don't like. They do put one religion ahead of others. They do ask for religion on id cards. I don't want that. But then I am not from Israel. I am not planning to move there and I don't have to defend them. 

Problems with Israel are best discussed in an Israeli forum.

 


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Expose the whole lot of them

by fozolie on

Go on Fred. Eslam Fokolie has failed and their ideas, including that of Emamzadeh Shariati have been exposed. Unfortunately Iranians refuse to wake up.

Mr. Fozolie


AMIR1973

Hazrat-e Shotor, kheyli az IRI defa mikoni

by AMIR1973 on

Salam aleykom va rahmatollah va barakato,

Agha Shotor, "shalom" chieh? Agha va naneh man har do Mosalman-e Esna Ashari hastand. Hatta khanevadeh-yeh pedaram "Seyyed" hastand. Pass lotfan joodbazi darnayar. Akheh shotor jaan, chera daem to az een Jomhoori-yeh Eslami ashghal defa mikoni? Ba Khamenei nesbati dari? Rastesh ra begoo.

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Arab dar biaban malakh mikhorad,

Sag-e Esfahan ab-e yakh mikhorad 

Boro beh shotoret ab-e yakh bedeh. Faghat az hokoomat-e nahs-e Iran yek kami kamtar tarafdari kon. Chashm? 


Mola Nasredeen

Ya Amir

by Mola Nasredeen on

You asked many questions and Hazrate shotor's answers are as follow:

- You can wear your keffiyeh and sit between the two people you mentioned at the UC Berkeley. That answers 3 of your questions.

- Don't let your wife out of your house if she's ugly. There are enough ugly people out on the street as it is.

- Shalom to you too.

 


AMIR1973

Mola jaan, is your shotor able to confirm the following?

by AMIR1973 on

Dear Hazrat-e Shotor,

-Is it true that the Iranian government is flying out Khaled Meshaal and KKK Grand Wizard David Duke to UC Berkeley for a special joint appearance at Israeli Apartheid Week?

-Can I wear my suicide belt or should I leave it at home?

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-Do you know if Urban Outfitters sells keffiyehs? I want one just like the one Ayatollah Khamenei (pbuh) wears around his neck?

Kheyli mamnoon, Shotor jaan

Sincerely,

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Bavafa

Thanks Mola Naserdeen for providing the link and spreading it

by Bavafa on

Mehrdad


Mola Nasredeen

Take Action:

by Mola Nasredeen on

Israel Aparthied Week is coming. As Part of March Month of Action, people around the world are organizing educational events and protest actions as part of the 6th Annual Israeli Apartheid Week:

http://www.endtheoccupation.org/


MM

Soroush is experimenting w/ Iran - we saw his 1st bitter recipe

by MM on

Soroush is experimenting w/ Iran - we saw his 1st bitter recipe that failed miserably.  Now, he has a second recipe, but the ingredients are the same.  No thanks.

 


David ET

Soroush

by David ET on

This week I posted this in another article about Soroush and for those who didn't see it, from Sourosh's interview last week. I repost here:

دکتر عبدالکریم سروش در مصاحبه با روز:

با رفراندوم اختیارات ولی فقیه حذف شود

اگر ما میتوانیم از استبداد دینی سخن بگوییم، پس می توانیم از دموکراسی دینی هم سخن بگوییم

دموکراسی دینی هم به همین اندازه امکان دارد؛ عده‌ای به نام دین و ابزار دین و بنا به تکلیف دینی بکوشند تا در کشور خودشان یک نظم دموکراتیک برپا کنند

دموکراسی دینی هیچ تفاوتی با دموکراسی ندارد و تنها چون مسئولیتش بر عهده دینداران است میتواند نامش دموکراسی دینی باشد. در یک دموکراسی دینی حداکثر سعی میشود قوانینی که با قوانین قطعی دینی منافات دارند به تصویب نرسند؛ 

کافی است ما قوانینی بنویسیم که با قطعیات و ضروریات اسلامی منافات نداشته باشد؛ ضمن اینکه می توان در همه‌ اینها کسب اجتهاد کرد. جامعه دینی بنابر خواست اکثریت دینداران هویت و شکل خواهد گرفت و فرهنگ دینی آن باعث تمایز با دیگر جوامع است 

"Religious Pluralism", "Religious Democracy", "Islamic Republic without Vali Faghih", are all other names for what we already have which is a government that forces religion on others one way or another.  Beware of this man and his repackaged dangerous failed theories!

visit: www.iransecular.org      

 شعار ملت ما، دین از سیاست جدا 

 


Bavafa

VOPK: I agree with you

by Bavafa on

VOPK:

I agree with you in concept and practice in regards to religon and state and only like to point out that the same flaw design and practice exist in Israel which no one in the West ever mentioning it, including our own Fred that writes about this. This only goes to show his level of hypocrisy.

Mehrdad


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Islamic Democracy

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I am still not sure what is the difference of regular and Islamic democary. If people are treated the same regardless of religion then it will be a regular democary. If not then it will not really be a democary. 

Regarding Soroush he is free to state his ideas. But I would not want him or anyone involved with the revolution as my leader. But then I am not the only one so in a real free Iran he will get to run. And then people get to chose.


cyclicforward

Thanks but no thanks.

by cyclicforward on

We have seen Soroush once in action and we don't care to repeat it again. Iran is not a labatory for these characters to come in and try this Islamic and that Islamic idea. Democracy is a Democracy. It works for a Muslim as well as an atheist and we don't need his Islamic Democracy.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

I dont know. Ask Soroush.  Though from what I understand as a Soroush watcher, the answers are probably yes, yes, no.

 

As for whether he regrets kicking people out, he actually denies it in this interview and says he is to be commended for stopping people from keeping the universities shut for 20 years. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

MOOSIRvaPIAZ

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


In soroush's interpretation of Islam, a muslim is politically secular.
So a government run by religious people in his eyes is a secular
democracy by nature.

Please be very clear on these questions:

  • Do non religious people get to hold office or are they disqualified.
  • Do they get to vote?  
  • Is there a preferred religion.

Does Soroush regret kicking people out of university because they disagreed with him.  If so then he should say it. If not then we probably expect more of the same.


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

In soroush's interpretation of Islam, a muslim is politically secular. So a government run by religious people in his eyes is a secular democracy by nature.

 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

MOOSIRvaPIAZ

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on


And I think he means a democracy run by religious people. Iranians are mostly religious (by name or practising). Big majority are muslims. Hence religious democracy.

Here is one question: is there going to be government preference for one religion? If so then it is unfair to other religions. If not then you automatically get a secular democracy!! More questions:

  • Is there a preferred religion or are people treated equally.
  • Do people get to run and hold office regardless of their religions?
  • Do get to vote regardless of their religions?
  • Do you have to declare your religion on your id papers.
  • Are some religions banned.
  • Is atheism banned.

If there is a preferred religion then it is not a democracy. If there is no preferred religion then it is a secular democracy. All a secular democracy means is that government does not interfere with religion. It is good for religion and for people.


David ET

Video of Soroush in 1980

by David ET on

prescribing that only Islamic students and professors be admitted to universities:

http://iranian.com/main/2009/mar/cultural-revolution-0 

                       شعار ملت ما، دین از سیاست جدا 

 


David ET

Mr Sourosuh: isnt 31 years enough for your "CRAP" ?

by David ET on

From the interview: 

آقای سروش افزوده است: خواسته‌های ما در چارچوب قانون اساسی جمهوری اسلامی قابل تحقق است،

http://iransecular.blog.com/2010/02/20/to-whom-it-may-concern/


Fred

Good luck!

by Fred on

In defending his Islamist Cultural Revolution commissar’s asinine attempt at repackaging the failed Islamist Rapist Republic, Mien Führer says: “I think he means a democracy run by religious people”.

 

The concept of “religious democracy” besides having been proven to be an utter failure in practice a la the Islamist Rapist Republic, it is an oxymoron. If the bald chap with bushy hair or the pouring rain without a drop of water in it makes any sense so would the “religious democracy”.

The Islamist Rapists have had their 31 years of rape and pillage and before being put out to pasture are dragging their feet trying every which way to resuscitate a corpse. This is perfectly understandable so is their foot soldiers trying to drum up some interest for their  barbaric dogma with fresh coat of paint.  

The lack of public turnout in their support on the anniversary of the IRR is proof of Iranian masses not buying the Islamist Rapists’ new improved version of the same old barbarity. Nevertheless, Good luck reselling “religious democracy” with a charlatan Ali Shariati veneer to Iranians!


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

I find no mention of bringing back velayat faghih.

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

How is it islamic republic again?

 

And I think he means a democracy run by religious people. Iranians are mostly religious (by name or practising). Big majority are muslims. Hence religious democracy.