Musings of a former chicken

ID

This is a quote form another current post on this website:

//iranian.com/main/2009/nov/promoting-democra...

As a result of this changed focus, when asked to name what they expect
the two main goals of an Iranian American organization should be, a
majority (59%) view ‘promoting democracy and human rights in Iran’ as
the most important goal. Other goals, like improving the image of
Iranian Americans (34%) and working within the community to increase
their political influence (24%) and preserve their culture (22%), rank
next in order. There is less support for influencing U.S. policy toward
Iran (17%)

So that means that it's only 83% of Iranian-Americans who oppose NIAC. But keep in mind that Zogby poll was conducted before these scandals erupted around NIAC :p

I bet if Zogby did the same poll again in a week's time the number wouldn't be far from 99%. But don't feel bad. Just think of yourself as being "special".

KM jan

Mibini toro khoda?

Ina fekr mikonan ba dasteyeh koora tarafan! 

I actually heard the first part of that expression a loooooong time ago and my mom had to explain it to me :o)

IRANdokht

IRANdokht

Khanome Irandokh, as we Esfahanis say:

**** dar bAzAr mesgarAno

                  lAff dar diAr ghorbat 

this is %99 **** in diAre ghorbat!

ID

Who took the poll?

Prolly the same people who issued Trita Parsi his US passport.

99% of the Iranian American...

Would you please show proof?  Who took the poll? where is this poll published?

IRANdokht

NIAC is PRO IRI

99% of the Iranian American community does not trust them. Its funny how most of the NIAC supporters here are well known IRI apologists and supporters. They call themselves anti war. Bull! They were not anti war when Russia invaded Georgia. They actually celebrated it and did not condemn it at all.

These "Peace lovers" and "human rights" activists only care about Hezbollah and Palestine. Have you ever seen these IRI supporters and fake reformists write a single word about the plight of over a million Muslims in Pakistan as a result of the Taliban? They blame the US. These are IRI supporter people. Get real

Look who is supposrting Mr, PARSI .....another vatanforoush

Be aware American Dream is not IRANIAN , write and may be speaking farsi but he/she is not IRANIAN in fact he hates Iranian and IRAN , see below.

by American Dream on Fri Nov 13, 2009 06:16 PM PST

You don't know anything about the Kurds.

The Kurds want an independant Kurdistan.  They have been fighting the Iranian central government for over 100 years.  One day they shall be free and they will break away from Iran once and for all.

As for the Baluchis, they too will get their independence.  They will break away from the Iranian central government and create greater Buluchistan.

And the great freedom loving Iranians of Khuzistan, The tomb Islands, Kish Island and Abu Musa Island will also break away and create Arabistan.  These people will all be free.

If you don't like the West or America go back to Iran freedom5.  No one is forcing you to stay here.  Stop using the english language to post stuff on this site.

freedom5, you are one sorry bad-bakht bee-char-eh who just happens to post on this site.

Here is another comment by AMERICAN DREAM about IRANIAN...

 I believe as an American, the best form of government in Iran is a democratic republic like the United States.  What types of social freedoms should a democratic republic of Iran have?  The same freedoms we see in Amsterdam. I know a lot of Iranians who are predominantly Shia Muslims and they drink like fish.  They drink so much alcohol.  And a lot of them smoke that opium stuff.  Many of the men are womanizers and their wives also carry on adulterous relationships.  unquote and here is American dreams final touch and his mighty opinion in regards to Mullah's rule in IRAN. You will be the judge. quote from American Dream Do I see the theocracy going away in Iran? No.  It will evolve with time.  The more pressure by Iranians the more the theocracy will change so they can stay in power.  The Iranian theocracy is willing to make pork and alcohol "Halal" if they can stay in power.  God knows the Revolutionary Guards help introduce satellite dishes into Iran and take in money for it. That being said, things will take time to change

Portrait of a Bully

این طرف اکس پروگرامر
اگه نتونه جوابتو بده عکس العملش مشخص شده:
١- میگه:  من امریکایی ام ولی تو نیستی
٢- و نتیجه میگیره: «پس من حرفم درسته . من می برم. اگه جواب بدی فحشت میدم.»

...

...yet our community's impact on civil society is a less impressive story.

I wonder why? :o

That's where NIAC comes in.

Right. Because Americans are *totally*  ready to accept the contributions to our civil society of people such as yourself, who hate America.

I bet with a few hundred more members like you NIAC could even manage to get itself on the terrorism watch list. Which would really serve the Iranian American community well, wouldn't it?

Make a Difference - Join NIAC Today!

The National Iranian American Council (NIAC) is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to advancing the interests of the Iranian-American community. Iranian Americans represent the most educated minority in the United States. We've achieved success on many levels – technological, scientific, academic and economic life – yet our community's impact on civil society is a less impressive story. That's where NIAC comes in.

Since its inception in 2002, NIAC has given the Iranian-American community a powerful voice on Capitol Hill. As a grassroots organization, we rely on your support to accomplish this mission.

//www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&Itemid=41

Dr. Trita Parsi is a Great person and human rights leader

Dr. Parsi is a Great person and human rights leader.  NIAC is one of the few organizations that has helped empower Iranians, Iranian Americans and Americans in the United States.  People who bash NIAC and Dr. Parsi are mean spirited individuals.  These evil doers should grow up and join team NIAC. 

All these lies about NIAC being a lobby group are wrong and just plain false.  NIAC is a freedom fighter movement.  NIAC helps those who need help.  NIAC is the National Iranian American Council.  If people don't like it then they should at least get used to it.  This is America.

God Bless NIAC.  and God Bless America.

jj, in case you mised that my response to your comment has been

further validated. Not just attacks and character assasinations but misinformation about simple facts (Trita Parsi's nationality or real name) and other info.

-Arguing basic legal facts that are true like 503c, whether it matters that he is Iranian American...

-Number of blogs that have been initiated for niac just over the past 2 days. The counter posts cannot keep up

-Now another blog called "A case-study in defamation and slander" which itself is a case study in slander including #2 accusing a blogger of being anonymous. Yes anonymous is the objection and it comes from Q.  I quess he figures we know him from his blogs and slanders and attacks, and perhaps forgot that he is also anonymous.

-That Qs slander becomes featured blog, is fine so more viewers get to know what IRR agents look and think like but it also begs the question: does IC read these blogs before featuring or is it some sort of support of the view? I suspect and hope it is random because on merit basis it flunks.

you are right craig

It was my mistake to take the argument to the wrong direction. As far as NIAC, their members MUST be US citizens, absolutely. They must obey the US laws.
More on this later!

Abarmard

A French born individual who is residing permanently in the US is categorized as French American.

I wouldn't know, as I've never met anyone from France who had a US green card. I spent quite a few years around the large Chinese immigrant community - seeing as how I was married to a Chinese immigrant - and to the best of my recollection the "Chinese American" moniker only got applied to US nationals. And there are a lot of Latinos here in LA as well, and I've never heard a Mexican green card holder refer to themselves as either "American" or "Mexican American". They refer to themselves as Mexican when they talk about their nationailty. 

That's how people refer to them.

This would be a semantic argument, if we were talking about individuals. But we aren't. We are talking about NIAC. Details count. Legal definitions count.

By the way my ex used to be a member of the LA chapter of this  organization:

//www.ocanational.org/

I attended a lot of meetings with her and met a lot of famous people that way, and one thing I remember about them is that while they will invite famous Chinese people who aren't US nationals to speak or give presentations at their events, it is an organization that is run by and run for Chinese Americans. Not Chinese green card holders.

Craig

Technically yes. I do agree with you.

The legal term Iranian American is similar to any other nationals in the US. However we are not only talking US immigration legal terminology. A French born individual who is residing permanently in the US is categorized as French American. That's how people refer to them. It's technically wrong, but socially used often.  Search the Internet for the term some "ethnic" American to see what I mean.

I will continue to use the term Iranian American for those Permanent residents. To me, if they can serve in the military, they are American. Iranian Americans are citizens or permanent residents of the United States of Iranian descent.

Those who support war and

Those who support war and sanctions on Iran will hate NIAC

Niac is not worth hating or loving. I'm against all and any war and long-term sanctions against Iran but I don't want to be represented by dubious characters such as Triata and Talebi...

Not agreeing with NIAC doesn't make you pro wa or pro sanctions as the foot soldiers are tyring to portray here. NIAC will be exposed in due time... and it would be noone fault except their own. NIAC is doing a great job to dig his own graves...keep up the good work.

Here is the Washington Times Article.

By Eli Lake

Shortly before Barack Obama took office, leaders of a prominent Iranian-American group in Washington began to fret >>> FULL TEXT
//www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/13/ex...

Hold to your excitements

Does anyone of these rabid opponents of NO war NO Sanctions, and treacherous supporters of War and Sanction against Iranoan women and children have bothered to realize that there is a pending litigation by NIAC and Trita Parsi in the court system.

So as long as the case is in process, any decent attorney would advise their client[Being NIAC and Trita Parsi] against any interview with media.

You people of the above mentioned category, why don't all hold on to your PRE WAR, PRE SANCTION  excitement and tailgate party till the case goes through its legal course, then you all can break out the bottles of what ever that is you drink.

Ajab makhoghati hatan be 5body[5 Tan] ghasam ha.

-YT 

Abarmard

As I understand Iranian Americans are citizens or permanent residents of the United States of Iranian descent.

Then you understand it wrong. A permanent resident in the US is a resident alien. AKA a foreign national.

Ego Driven Iranians!

I just wish we had an easier time accepting our past mistakes.   Discussions about NIAC is nothing new in this forum - and it is no secret that NIAC enjoyed a whole lot more support than from the usual IRR crowd.    Yet I don't see a single supporter of NIAC in this and other forums to even acknowledge there may be a problem.....

Just the same way that I have yet to see a single Iranian accepting he/she may have been wrong in 1978!!

Craig

As I understand Iranian Americans are citizens or permanent residents of the United States of Iranian descent.

ex programmer craig is wrong

I agree! You've done a great job of discrediting not only the
leadership of NIAC but the membership as well! If anyone had any doubts
about whose interests NIAC was really serving, I think they'd get clued
in pretty quick after reading these many posts about NIAC on this
website the last few days.

This is not American.com where people see things through an American (ex programmer craig) lens. This is Iranian.com: nothing is sacred. ;) 

MOOSIRvaPIAZ

I would argue that NIAC supporters are doing a tremendous job at fighting back against these smears.

I agree! You've done a great job of discrediting not only the leadership of NIAC but the membership as well! If anyone had any doubts about whose interests NIAC was really serving, I think they'd get clued in pretty quick after reading these many posts about NIAC on this website the last few days.

vildemose is wrong again

I would argue that NIAC supporters are doing a tremendous job at fighting back against these smears. If anything I've learned when campaigning for Obama is that character assassinations and smears work but ONLY IF you ignore them. The more you fight back against the smears the more effective you are in pushing through your own side of the story.

Those who support war and sanctions on Iran will hate NIAC reglardless of who they see in charge. So it doesnt matter if we make the likes of  vildemose uncomfortable.The fact is that we DO it for those who dont want sanctions/war and are undecided about NIAC. 

Abarmard

Yes Iranians in the US only, or Iranian Americans.

What are you up to with that statement? It almost seems like you are trying to imply all Iranians in the USA are Iranian-Americans? Isn't that part of what got NIAC into the trouble it is in now?

Vildemose

My intent is mostly for those who visit the site and see the comments, to judge for themselves. Useless to mention to you yet must note again that NIAC has members rather than employees and can't fire their supporters ;)

I guess we need a democracy lesson rather than organizational policy here.

Have a great day

vildemose

Werent you guys who started being arrogant by attacking NIAC without ever considering that the smear campaign is directly by people with hawkish interests?

You cant simply spew out baseless claims about a group and expect me to remain silent and tolerant of your views.  

Yes Mr. Craig

Yes Iranians in the US only, or Iranian Americans.

My last comment: NIAC

My last comment: NIAC supporter are doing a horrible job defending NIAC. If I were Trita, I would fired all of them. Have a beautiful day everyone..

Pitbull: Parthian is not

Pitbull: Parthian is not me, at any rate, you're entitled to your opinion so is everyone else. Sanctions are not a prelude to war. If they were, we would have invaded Cuba a few decades ago. Imposing your views on others through sheer arrogance and intimidation and slandering of others are not very effective in recruiting foot soldiers for your cause...