ElBaradei, Bazargan and Nasser

Fred
by Fred
01-Feb-2011
 

One way or another the thirty years of unending “presidency” of Hosni Mubarak is to end.

Egypt has historical ties with Iran which at times have been quite positive and other times not so. At the height of the relationship, for a short period, an Egyptian, Fawzia, was the queen of Iran. At the low end, Iran was considered Egypt’s enemy.  That is when Nasser started this whole nonsense about the “Arabian Gulf” and eyeing mainland Iranian territory in the south.

There was also the time when thousands upon thousands of Egyptians came out on their own to greet Iran’s Mossadegh.

Now Egypt is in turmoil. The outcome will have direct effect on Iran and Iranians as well.

Whether it is ElBaradei, who is looking more and more as clueless as Mehdi Bazargan was in the hands of the Islamists, or the nationalists in the Army, the outcome will surprise those Iranians hoping the fall of Mubarak clique followed by emergence of an anti-west regime will be to their advantage.

The Islamist “reformers” and their old comrades who won the turf war and are now running IRR, the Islamist Rapist Republic, will be surprised the most.

The Egyptian Islamists might share a common enemy with their Rapist brethrens in Iran, however, their longstanding ideological differences trumps that commonality by a wide margin.

Egypt is going through birthing pains, lets hope the child will be a healthy Egyptian with nothing but Egypt’s best on his/her mind. If that happens, Iranians who care for Iran and Iranians will have an ally in Cairo.

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vildemose

Ayman Muhammad Rabaie

by vildemose on

Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahir­i [1] (Arabic: أيمن محمد ربيع الظواهري‎, Ayman Muḥammad Rabayaḥ al-Ẓawāhir­ī; born June 19, 1951) is a prominent leader of al-Qaeda, and was the second and last "emir" of Egyptian Islamic Jihad,

Qutb preached that to restore Islam and free Muslims, a vanguard of true Muslims modeling itself after the original Companions of the Prophet had to be developed.­[12]

By the age of 14, al-Zawahir­i had joined the Muslim Brotherhoo­d. The following year the Egyptian government executed Qutb for conspiracy­, and al-Zawahir­i, along with four other secondary school students, helped form an "undergrou­nd cell devoted to overthrowi­ng the government and establishi­ng an Islamist state." It was at this early age that al-Zawahir­i developed a mission in life, "to put Qutb's vision into action."[1­3] His cell eventually merged with others to form al-Jihad or Egyptian Islamic Jihad.[14] Al-Zawahir­i graduating from Cairo University in 1974 with gayyid giddan. Following that he served three years as a surgeon in the Egyptian Army after which he establishe­d a clinic near his parents.[1­4] In 1978, he also earned a master's degree in surgery.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri


Rea

Thx Fred

by Rea on

I do differentiate (otherwise, wouldn't have mentioned the theological issue). 

Had a quick look at wiki, ref. al-Zawahiri. Will have to read a bit more about the Egyptian MB, though. With my limited knowledge, so far I believed they were more into imposing religion IRI style than into terrorism.

Let's hope things work out for Egypt.


afshinazad

well said fred

by afshinazad on

great point.


fidelio5

the stated goal

by fidelio5 on

of the Muslim Brotherhooh is the imposition of the Q'uran as "the sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and STATE."

you can check it out on their website.

This is what they have been struggling for since 1928!

The entire Raison d'etre of the MB is SHARIA!

to claim otherwise is either a lie or wishful thinking.


Fred

Rea

by Fred on

To get a better grip on the situation, I suggest you start by differentiating between Moslems and Islamists.

The former are adherents of a religion, the latter are savage Rapists who use  religion as their tool of murderous drive to power.

As to the ideological differences look into what the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood adherent Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri, better known as Al Qaeda number 2 says about  his rivals the Islamist Rapists in Iran.

As laughable as it might sound to a sane mind, both these messianic Islamist Rapists are after domination of the world, therefore, although they migh have tactical commonalities, in strategic term, they have strong antipathy for one another.


Fred

NIOC Haji nuke lobbyist

by Fred on

This is becoming too loose, the Persian loose, of the NIOC Haji Islamist nuke lobbyist for the Islamist Rapist to come and say his sack of lies and then say:

 “I will not come back to this "blog."

NIOC Haji nuke has to prove his accusation against me that I, Fred, “Advocating war and destruction on Iran, lying, exaggerating…”

You are not only a NIOC Haji nuke lobbyist for the Islamist Rapists, you are a sack of Islamist liar as well.  

BTW, what is happening with the whitewashing of the British defense minister statement about your Islamist Rapist brethrens’ nuke?

Ps. Don’t blame me Haji, wearing suits two size larger does not look good on you, take it as constructive criticism. I saw you the other day and wanted to tell you in person, but hey, you don't like criticism at all, and those who know you up close, know what I am talking about. 

And how is the Clueless's son doing? 


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

How does a neocon know what Egypt's national interest is?

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

" lets hope the child will be a healthy Egyptian with nothing but Egypt’s best on his/her mind."

 

Amen to that but I have a feeing neocon Iran-war advocate's plans for egypt is very different to what true Egyptians have in mind.


fidelio5

El Baradei is a Puppet

by fidelio5 on

The MB know he has no support or constituency within the Egyptian population.

He is 'chosen' to temporarily appease and put at ease the west and the secular population until the time comes when they can swoop in and take power.

Who will raise a voice when El Baradei gets swept aside like a toy soldier? no one.

When Push, as it inevitably will, come to shove who will be able to field thugs and goons on the streets of Cairo?

Baradei? the Secularists?

or the Brotherhood? I think the answer is self evident.

A noble nation and civilization is at risk of falling to darkness, illiteracy, and backwardness and misery.


Mammad

Just about now

by Mammad on

Freddo Coreleon jumps to start clicking and typing to respond, in his 24/7 job as an outpost of the warmongers to start war and destruction on Iran.

Mammad

P.S.: I will not come back to this "blog."


Mammad

Clueless Freddo

by Mammad on

Putting ElBaradei, Bazargan, and Naser in one sentence or "blog" just goes to show one more time - if there is any need for showing anymore - how clueless the "expert on everything" Freddo Coreleon is!

Nationalists in the Egyptian army? Anvar Sadat was an army officer. Mubarak is an air force officer. Suleiman, his new VP - the first VP to Mubarak over the last 29 years - is an army officer. Where was their "nationlism?" Why is it that over the past 58 years - 40 years of which under Sadat-Mubarak clique - that Egypt has been controlled by the military, this nationalism did not show up, but now that people have had it, the search for "army nationalists" is on?

Since Freddo is expert on everything, where was his assessment of Mubarak corrupt dictatorship up until just a few weeks ago? Up until then, he was a partner with Israel. We saw nothing from Freddo (at least I do not remember) criticizing Mubarak because he was carrying water for Israel. But, now that the writing is on the wall, "he has to go!"

ElBaradei clueless? Why? What has he done to show that? The only reason Freddo says that - without any basis - is that ElBaradei prevented Bush and company to find a way to attack Iran when he was the DG of the IAEA.

Do not worry about Egyptians, Freddo. They will find their way. Muslim Brotherhood, though the strongest in the opposition, will not come to power. The MB is way different from the Iranian fascists, anyway. You just stick with your own "expertise:" Advocating war and destruction on Iran, lying, exaggerating, attacking others, using innuendoes, and above all, commenting on the the size of my overcoat!!

And, of course, the usual few say their usual bah bah and chah chah!! 

 

Mammad


Faramarz

Nature Abhors Vacuum

by Faramarz on

Thank you Fred.

El Baradei is a transitional figure and needs to step into the leadership role now and fill the vacuum and then guide the street protest into a democratic movement. Something that Bazargan, Bani-Sadr and the Reformers of today could not or would not do.

I believe that the Egyptians and other Middle-Easterners have learned many valuable lessons from the 32 years of IR fiasco and the 2009 protest by the Iranian people, and hopefully will not make the same mistakes. Islamists cannot govern. They can only rule by force, terror and violence. IR has been able to survive solely because of the oil money. Take that away and they will collapse immediately.

Today’s Egypt is not Iran of 1979.   


Rea

Fred, an uninformed question

by Rea on

What "longstanding ideological differences" (except for Shia and Sunni islam, but that is rather a theological issue)? 


vildemose

Let this be the beginning of

by vildemose on

Let this be the beginning of Justice, Fairness, Honesty, Openness, Respect, Peace, Dignity for All throughout the World. Empower Humanity and recognize that We Are One--What affects One affects All!

I read a twitter from Egypt where some Islamists were chanting for Islamic government but they were immediately drowned by chants of "no, this is not for Islam, this is for Egypt".


MRX1

Good observation

by MRX1 on

El Baradei is El looser. He does look and act like the other idiot Mehdi Bazargan (How ironic). I am not optimistic about this so called change in egypt. Islamo facists will surely take over,  specialy now that hosessin agha in the white house has given them a green light. 

The end result will be Pan sunni islamism.  After a period of instability all the Arabs will unite to take on IRR. in fact if Iranianas over come the IRR they will find out the hard way the only friend they have in region is Isreal!


Roozbeh_Gilani

Dreams R us!

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

"our (read ahmadinezhads) peaceful. lawful nuclear bomb"!!!!!

And thank you Fred for the excellent post. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


G. Rahmanian

A Sober Analysis!

by G. Rahmanian on

I'm at a loss, though. If Iran can fend off its enemies by merely possessing "peaceful" nuclear technolog, how can Ahmadinejad and his "comrades" wipe Israel, which already has "400" nuclear warheads, off the map of the world? Am I missing something?


Artificial Intelligence

Excellent post Fred!

by Artificial Intelligence on

El Baradei is cluless as well. I hope it ends well for the Egyptians. Hopefully they learned something from the failed Iranian revelution.


Darius Kadivar

Well Put Fred !

by Darius Kadivar on

Agreed !


comrade

Whose good news?

by comrade on

I sifted through photos and saw no poster of Nasser in the crowd, and I can envision president ElBaradei visiting the shrine of Imam Reza in Mashad.

Either Pan-Arabism or Pan-(sunni)Islamism can not rough play Iran (IRI, or not) any more; I know you've already guessed why: Because of our peaceful, and lawful nuclear technology. Thanks, Fred.

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.